1998/05/04 10:32
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #353
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 353
Today's Topics: Kuthumi [ Afperry ]
Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #346 [ flute ] Re: Spontaneous Kundalini Arising [ Anurag Goel
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In a message dated 4/5/98 1:21:51 am, you wrote:
>Babaji was the light body, not a physical expression, of he known to many as
"Kut Humi".
I am intrigued by this. You are suggesting that Babaji is essentially the same as the one known to theosophy and the New Age as the Master Kuthumi (KH). It
certainly fits the pattern but may I enquire as to your sources?
Yogananda himself identified Babaji with Krishna.
With blessings, Alan
Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 08:26:53 -0500 From: flute
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> Can anyone tell me of a living master who gives shaktipat? Real shaktipat, not the egotrip of Gurumay pseudo sucessor of honourable Swami Muktanand. The Tirth lineage seems OK. Has anyone had any direct contact with someone who spends his life awakening others kundalini to spontaneaous yoga, then please helop me get in contact with that guru. >
Real Shatipat is not a problem.. its easy as pie. AND you don't need to follow some notorized/publicized guru. Linage is an ego trip and
if you are looking for linage then you are just looking for an expensive comfirmation that you are wonderful. Learn to take on the
responsilbilty of your own awakening, then envelop and develop your own style. A teacher is good and he/she is the correct one if you can feel
and the energy merge and rise immediately. I use breath work to raise the kundalini thru shatipat, but you have to take that feeling and
spirituality that you experience and bring it to your understanding. And you need to meditate and bring that feeling back into your reality each
time. I use a form of Shatipat to deliver the Reiki Attunements to the
ones that take classes from me and my Dr. Friend. Our goal is the Kundalini awakening that will be used for healing.
oh.. any BTW if you get lost in the root chakra and the emotional chakra your shatipat adventure will be just that.. a toy. It needs to be
taken seriously and balanced within all the Chakra's.
Love, flute
Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 19:15:04 +0530 (IST) From: Anurag Goel
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Hi, It is possible that due some extreme circumstances in one's life one
is stressed to such an extent that some chakra may get awakened. I know a friend with whom such a thing happened.
Love,
anurag
On Sat, 2 May 1998, the sittigs wrote:
> Question: > Has anyone had a spontaneous kundalini experience after going through deep grief from a loved one passing on? Quite new to this and very confused!!!
> Tess >
> Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 10:06:08 -0500
From: "Brent Blalock" To: "WHYASK"
Cc: "Kundalini - L" Subject: Re: Ego and K
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I was watching and thought of something to say. Hope I'm not intruding or anything. Also, I haven't been in your situation and run the risk of
totally being full of it. Please think about the suggestions I make.
> From: WHYASK > To: samyanaATnospamhotmail.com; Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
> Subject: Re: Ego and K > Date: Monday, May 04, 1998 2:09 AM
> > In the past week, or more, I have seen many doctors, and I have had my
run > with therapist. I explain in detail, my pain and problems in which I have
been > having. None, have seemed to do anyhting/understand, they did recommed
> medication.
Yeah, you gotta' shop around. Some people confuse degrees with competence. I'm willing to bet, however, that somewhere out there, there is someone
who does understand and can help you. No matter how unusual the problem, it's quite likely that someone else has gone through it.
> I have always been against meds, and also have had some bad
> experiences on the.
I'd hope that your opinion of medicine wouldn't deprive you of something that could benefit you. I was on Paxil (an antidepressant similar to
Prozac) for a while. My experience was quite positive. The worst of the side-effects was that, whenever I'd yawn, it'd feel like I was still
yawning even after I stopped yawning. My point: medicine, especially Paxil, can be fun, and I encourage you not to overlook that as an option.
> The other day I decided I need something, I could not do
> ths with out help, so I have started to take St. John's Wort. My appitite is
> still not strong, but I have been trying to eat more everyday, I am not sure
> about the sleep though, maybe it will come.
You might not need to be worried about not eating too much. A while ago, I had tonsillitis, and at the same time my wisdom teeth were coming in. The
gums in the back of my mouth were cut and swollen, making swallowing quite painful. The tonsillitis reduced my appetite to, like, nothing. I
couldn't eat, and wouldn't want to eat if I could.
I lost, like, a bunch of weight. I'm fine now. My weight is still at where it dropped to (down to 185 or so (I'm 6'4" and male)). Everything
that I hear and experience suggests that people need far less food than they eat. Maybe it doesn't matter that you aren't eating much. The thing
that I'd monitor is your body weight. If your weight is dropping fast, I'd see a doctor and see what they suggest. It'd probably involve drinking
something like Ensure or Sport Shakes (I recommend Sport Shakes (creamy!)) or some high-calorie drink.
If your body weight isn't dropping like crazy and you aren't losing a lot
of muscle, I wouldn't worry at all. Maybe you're just eating as much as you need to, as opposed to eating as much as most people think they need
to. Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 17:02:26 +0100
From: "Jan Barendrecht" To: "the sittigs"
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Any event that leaves a deep impression can trigger a K. experience. If as a
consequence, one refrains from being involved in life as was usual, this is renouncing the ego and nothing is more effective to awaken K. Many who
experience a phase in life where emotions are not repressed but cannot be lived up to, will also awaken K. if this phase takes kong enough. For you,
both causes are valid. It is not unusual if after a while a deceased loved one takes the role as a kind of spiritual guide in dreams and visions caused
by K.
Jan Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 09:30:40 -0700
From: Gwen Oana To: Ann Morrison Fisher
CC: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com Subject: Re: Spontaneous Kundalini Arising
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After my mother died, I went through one of the strangest periods of my life. When I would go to bed at night I would experience this
super-high voltage of energy shoot through my body; it felt like every cell in my body was electrified. It would start at the base of my spine
and then travel to different chakras, doing what felt like a spinning motion. Sometimes, it was more than I could bear...I would have to say
stop...I can't take any more! It would also travel to my head where I could literally feel a crackling or a rearranging of my skull. This
whole awakening began about 18 years ago...I still experience these "energy surges" at night particularly around the full moon. What I find
interesting is that when the energy is just too much and I say "stop" it does stop. What I can't figure out is where it's all leading and what
really is going on. When I try to share this stuff with friends, they look at me as tho I'm a little whacko. I'm new to this group and this is
my first post....I'm really glad I found all of you. My name is Gwen and I live in San Diego. Best wishes to all of you
Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 22:34:05 +0530 From: "Sandeep Chatterjee"
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When nothing is special, everything can be.
Any thoughts?
Sandeep
Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 22:41:11 +0530 From: "Sandeep Chatterjee"
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Hi everybody A story which can really show for you, that is if you allow.
Nun Chiyono studied for years and meditated for years on the ultimate question of existence but was unable to find the light. The thinking was
filling her so much that she could not be a passage for Existence.She was so filled with herself that she could not be a host to the divine guest.
The more she longed for enlightenmentthe further off it seemed.But one moonlit night she was carrying an old pail filled with water-and the
thing happened! She was watching the full moon reflected in the pail of waterwhen the bamboo strip that held the pail staves broke. The pail
fell apart,the water ran outand the moon's reflection disappeared-and with it Chiyono herself disappeared.She was not- and
what IS was. Afterwards she wrote these verses; This way and that wayI tried to keep the pail of water
together,hoping the weak bambooswould never breakBut suddenly the bottom fell out:no more waterno more moon in the waterand emptiness
in my hand!
Be empty and you will knowBe empty and you will be the mirrorOnly total nothingness is capable of knowing all! In
zikr Sandeep Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 22:58:23 +0530
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Hi everybody,
Today it came up for me to share with you all , about a remarkable
ZenMaster- Dogen.
He was born into an aristocratic family in Kyoto, about 8 hundred yearsback. A uniquely intelligent child, it is said that he began to
readChinese poetry at the age of four.The Chinese language is probably the mostdifficult language in the world as it has no alphabet.It is pictorial
andto read it means year of hard work to memorize those symbols. To the bornChinese it may not be so difficult, because from birth it is ingrained
intothe mind, but to an outsider it may take 20-30 years.
At the age of seven his parents died and at that time he was translatingthe most significant Buddhist scripture- "Abhidharma"-
"the essence ofreligion" from Chinese to Japanese.At the age of seven Dogen took"sannyas"- renunciation.
At the age of 13, Dogen was formally (In those days it was not easy to
beinitiated, one had to prove one's capacity, potentiality, possibility.Onewould have to prove that one will not betray on the path,
that one will notwaste the time of the Master, that one will wait infinitely if needed)
Dogen at the age of 13 was formally initiated into monkhood at Mount Hiei,the center of Tendai Buddhist
learning in Japan.For several years hestudied the schools of Mahayana and Hinayana versions of Buddhism.
At the age of 14, Dogen left the monastery because no one
couldsatisfactorily answer his question on one sutra of Buddhist teaching whichsaid:"all human beings are endowed with the buddha
nature"
Dogen's question was "if it is so, why is it that one must train oneself sostrenuously to realize that buddha nature, to attain
enlightenment?' (If everybody is a buddha, then to recognize should be the simplest
thingin the world.If you are potentially a buddha, or Christ then the barrierscannot be much.A rose bush brings roses, a lotus seed brings
lotus.If a manis seed buddha, then why so much discipline?) Dogen went in search of one who could answer and met a teacher
Myozen.Inspite of long years of training under Myozen, there was no satisfaction.Atthe age of 23 he decided to go with Myozen to China to study
Zen Buddhismfurther.Leaving the ship, he came to T'ien-t'ung monastery where he trainedunder Master Wu-Chi.
Still unsatisfied, he spent several years in several monasteries.About togive up his search and return to Japan, he heard the former abbot
ofT'ien-t'ung had died and his successor Ju-ching was one of China's finestZen Master.
It was Ju-ching who replied to Dogen;"No discipline is required, is needed.No discipline, nowhere to go, no wayto be traveled, just
"be", silent, settled, at the center of your being andyou are a buddha.You are missing it because of your
very search, your veryact of looking.You will never find your buddhahood by changing one monastery with another,one scripture with another.Go
in. In Ju-ching's presence, his fragrance, his grace,his radiance,
Dogenstarted drowning.
When Dogen became a master in his own right, Ju-ching declared to him,"Nowno more play acting of a disciple,You have come to understand,
now becompassionate towards the blind humanity."
Dogen later on writes
"To study the Way is to study the SelfTo study the Self is to forget the SelfTo forget the Self is to be enlightened by all things.To
be enlightened by all things is to remove the barriers between one'sself and others.Then there is no trace of Enlightenment, though enlightenment
itselfcontinues into one's daily life endlessly.To seek the Law is to be far away from the border of it."
For me these are the proverbial "pearls cast before swines".Each word, eachsentence has a depth of meaning.
"To study the Way is to study the Self"Dogen is saying don't ask about the way. There is no way.The way leads awayand the further you
search, the more you are lost.Drop all going and remainat home, just doing nothing.I am reminded here of Basho's haiku
Ancient pondA frog jumpsand great silence.
We are little sounds in a great silence.In east, in every temple Bells
areused. Ever wonder what is the purpose?It is definitely not to announce toAll Mighty God that one has arrived. It is to remind oneself that with
theringing of the bell ,a sound got created out of nowhere.It echoes andre-echoes and with every echo becomes more and more silent,
eventuallydisappearing.Our existence is nothing but a sound in an immense ocean ofsilence.Don't bother about the way, any way, just study
yourself.
"To study the Self is to forget the Self.To forget the Self is to be enlightened by all things."
Who is going to study the self?The one who is going to study the self
hasall ready dropped the self.The one who is studying the self is thewitness-the real Self.Then it does not matter in what situation you
are- any situation has theseeds of enlightenment.
Within Zen, literally hundreds have "attained" the heights of consciousnessof a Jesus, a Budhha, a Mohammed during very simple acts like
chopping ofthe wood, making tea, carrying pail of water from the well, watching a leafleaving it's sanctuary of the tree in total trust in the Wind
to carry itwherever it is meant to be led. The moment there is no self-only a witnessing, a silent watchfulness-
Whatis , IS. "To be enlightened by all things is to remove the barriers between
one'sself and others." To be enlightened simply means: neither you exist nor I exist.What
existsis something transcendental to you and I. "Then there is no trace of Enlightenment, though enlightenment
itselfcontinues into one's daily life endlessly."
Look at beauty of this expression.Once you have become enlightened, it is not that everyday you have toremember that you are enlightened, that
every morning before shaving, youhave to remember that you are enlightened, or going to the market you haveto careful to behave like an enlightened
person.Once you have "known", your every act is automatically of awareness, ofconsciousness.Soon you forget all about enlightenment, because
it hasbecome your body, your bones, your blood, your marrow, your being.
There have been masters who have forgotten completely that they
areenlightened because there is no need to remember it.Their Masters have hitthem with the Zen stick and said "now pick up your rented
bicycle and goaway.Get on.
Enlightenment does not happen twice-once is enough.
Everybody is a buddha either awake or asleep.Only this distinctionexists.Otherwise there is no lower or higher, No Original Sin, no
damned toseek salvation.
Again there is nothing wrong with a sleeping buddha- it's your choice.
A little more sleep (couple of lifetimes) is not going to harm anybody-
justdon't snore (the so called religious concepts, scriptures) because that willcreate a disturbance in other buddha's sleep.
A little sleepy Sandeep
PS If there is an interest I could dig up some more expressions from Dogen.
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