1998/05/03 14:18
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #350
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 350
Today's Topics:
Re: Ego and K [ "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com> ]
Re: Awakenings: Balanced VS Unbalanc [ Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic ]
RE: Chakral Sanskrit [ Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley ]
RE: Ego and K [ "Jan Barendrecht" <janbarenATnospamcorreo. ]
Re: Ego and K [ Imtgxxx <ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Chakral Sanskrit [ Mary Ezzell <maryATnospamsonic.net> ]
Spontaneous Kundalini Arising [ the sittigs <tmsittigATnospamcal-net.net> ]
RE:spontaneous k [ the sittigs <tmsittigATnospamcal-net.net> ]
Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #349 [ trexisATnospamjuno.com ]
Re: spontaneous k [ Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> ]
My son, my son . . . [ lobster <lobATnospamlobster.newnet.co.uk> ]
Re: Ego and K [ WHYASK <WHYASKATnospamaol.com> ]
re: Ego and K [ hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com (Holly N. Ba ]
Re: Awakenings: Balanced VS Unbalanc [ "Antoine" <acarreATnospamconcentric.net> ]
Re: Ego and K [ "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com> ]
Re: spontaneous k [ Rik <rik_wATnospamrocketmail.com> ]
Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 17:43:23 PDT
From: "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com>
To: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, WHYASKATnospamaol.com
Subject: Re: Ego and K
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>From: WHYASK <WHYASKATnospamaol.com>
>
>
>I think K and I have been in a never ending battle. I am not letting my
ego
>down, and I think it is hurting me more than some other pain. What do
you
>think?
>Kristin
>
>
Dearest Kristin,
Oh, we have all heard how the ego is supposed to be some nasty
villian...to be done away with and speedily, too. But my dear Kristin,
you are already weary from fighting battles and struggling with this
depression. Please, above all else, begin to treat ALL of YOU with
loving kindness, please be gentle and kind..even to your ego and your
depression and your Kundalini symptoms. Please stop telling yourself you
are doing anything "wrong" as in "NOT letting my ego down
properly"...begin to love and accept yourself first.
Please consider just maybe...
Consider that we all do have this ego..tho in varying degrees of ease
and discomfort with it...but it is not anenemy to be totally
annihilated..just another part of you.., so PLEASE begin by looking for
some part of you that feels joy and ease..find a way to ease up on the
battle..your ego will fall into a naturally less important place...
when your true self begins to emerge from these shadows of gloom and
sorrow that you have been struggling with.
I love you Kristin,
Glo
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Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 20:24:20 -0500
From: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Awakenings: Balanced VS Unbalanced
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Harsha <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> wrote:
>
>Good guidance always helps. The company of Sages,
>dwelling on their teaching and being with loving people is the best protection
>from fear. See to what type of teaching or teacher you are attracted to and
>what makes sense to you. Make the link if you are comfortable with a
>particular teaching or tradition. A genuine spiritual personality has a
>peaceful disposition and communicates that peace directly.
I am able to pull down all the peace I could ever use; I don't need a
teacher for that. What I have needed and now have is a guru who knows from
personal experience, as well as book-learning, the things I don't know, and
who is able to guide me in acquiring them. IMO, his experience, knowledge,
and abilities are the best protection from danger and therefore from fear.
Love,
Ann
Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 19:34:24 -0700
From: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
To: "'Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D.'" <hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com>,
Harsha1MTM
<Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>,
"kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com"
<kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: RE: Chakral Sanskrit
Message-ID: <01BD7601.509922E0.keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
>Harsha: Sage Valmiki was a thug and a dacoit. When he wished to
transform his
>life he became initiated and received the mantra RAMA. In his
meditation, he
>forgot the mantra and kept repeating it incorrectly as MARA, MARA,
etc. He
>still Realized and is the author of Ramayana, an Indian classic.
Holly: I love this story, thank you! It reminds me of another wonderful
story
about a boy going to a synagogue to find God but the only Hebrew he
knows is the alphabet so he just chants that, over and over. Of course
his heart connects him to the Divine immediately, much to the amazement
of the surrounding Talmudic Scholars! Holly
KK: There are a few Tibetan variants of this theme. In the first an old
woman was destitute but made food from dirt by saying Tara's mantra over
it. Well, one day her learned son, recently made a Geshe (Ph.d) came to
visit her. He saw what she was doing and noted that she was saying Tara's
mantra incorrectly. Well - you can guess what they had to eat that night
-dirt.
In another variant the learned scholar Sakya Pandita was going to debate
some tantric rivals. On the way he passed a Vajrakilaya yogin who was
repeating the mantra of that deity. Although the yogin was performing
miracles he was incorrectly pronouncing the mantra using the sounds kilya
kilya instead of kili kilaya. After SP defeated the tantric rivals in oral
debate they challenged him to a test of yogic power. Sakya Pandita was
doing OK for a while but he started to get into hot water. He then called
out: ``Oh Kilya kilya yogi please save me.'' The yogin appeared and saved
the day.
But my favorite goes as follows. There were a succession of Abbots at one
of the tantric colleges. The new abbot offered a half a tea brick to each
monk and then in his opening speech noted that prior abbots had an
inferior mastery of Sanskrit and he was reconstructing the mantra of one of
the protector deities using his own superior understanding of Sanskrit. The
protector puja was performed according to his reconstruction for two years.
Then two years later a new abbot was installed. The new abbot offered a
half a tea brick to each monk and then in his opening speech noted that
while the Sanskrit of the prior abbot was faultless he had made some errors
in reconstructing the mantra of this protector. Because this protector was
a converted local Tibetan deity elements of his mantra were actually in the
primitive Zhang Zhung language of Tibet and the prior abbot had mistakenly
tried to render this as Sanskrit. Fortunately due to the new abbot's
mastery of the Zhang zhung language he was going to reconstruct the proper
mantra of the protector and he did so during his opening speech. After the
speech one of my teachers was asked whether he thought the prior abbot's
Sanskrit rendering of the mantra was correct or the new abbots Zhang Zhung
rendering was the proper one. My teacher replied: ``I don't know but
between them it netted us a full tea brick.''
Nevertheless, a mantra enlivened by master can be very powerful and I do
believe that some mantras have stronger effects than others. I received a
particular mantra before entering a retreat in India. After a few days of
focus on this mantra I physically felt exactly like I had been in a 15
round boxing match. My obscurations had taken quite a beating but my
egoistic mind was pretty well shaken up as well. Later I learned that while
this mantra can bring quick purification it can also overwhelm people. In
extended 3 year retreats occasionally people experienced nervous breakdowns
during prolonged recitation of this particular mantra. I was convinced.
Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 03:44:50 +0100
From: "Jan Barendrecht" <janbarenATnospamcorreo.infase.es>
To: "WHYASK" <WHYASKATnospamaol.com>
Cc: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: RE: Ego and K
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Kristin wrote:
> I think K and I have been in a never ending battle. I am not
> letting my ego down, and I think it is hurting me more than some other
pain. What do you
> think?
A battle with K. is something that is bound to be lost. With K., winning
means offering no resistance, ego looses itself. K. can cause rather bad
moods to the extent that even strangers will notice it. Fighting K. is like
fighting your own mind. The only thing that could help is to find something
to focus your concentration on. It doesn't matter what it is*, as long as it
captures all your attention to the extent that there is no more
consciousness of K. The longer you can keep up the concentration, the
better. This way, you won't be able to experience "ego" as well, so that the
"inner alchemy" can take place. Only this will put your agony to an end. The
best thing to do would be to engage in singing/music making, as this
influences the mind directly. Yet there is a positive side. Sometimes the
spiritual path is called "dying while the body remains alive". So to a
certain degree suffering (due to the dying of ego) is inevitable. But as
soon as you find that what really is happening, your mood will reverse
polarity. I hope you will succeed soon.
Jan
* even a walk can be turned into an exercise by walking as fast as possible
and counting the steps while breathing in and counting when breathing out
(one complete breath should be at least 8 steps). (Walking pranayama)
Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 23:55:25 EDT
From: Imtgxxx <ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com>
To: WHYASKATnospamaol.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Ego and K
Message-ID: <6e5a6f10.354beaaeATnospamaol.com>
Kristin writes:
>I think K and I have been in a never ending battle. I am not letting my
ego >down, and I think it is hurting me more than some other pain. What do
you >think?
The ego is not the *bad guy* -- it is merely all the many beliefs you have
collected over the years. Are they real? nahhh - just beliefs.... A way of
you looking at the world you seem to believe, of proving through your
experiences that the world is right, that something must be destroyed or
vengence made upon for you to be happy. These beliefs are keeping you a
victim of your own making.
It is through eliminating these beliefs we have that is the undoing of your
ego. The chipping away of them, allowing your own beauty, your own happiness
to shine through. We are not trying to transcend nor eradicate the ego, but
to transform it into a new belief system -- one that will support you in your
path that will give you guidance for new and improved reactions, and giving
you new experiences to support these new beliefs easily.
Your new ego, your new beliefs, begin with you. I've found that the easiest
way to change a belief is by adding a sentence to it -- not to eliminate it,
but transform it.
I change these beliefs in several different ways -- by neutrality (I am a
*bad* person.... but this thought is meaningless) or with humor (I am a
*bad* person..... but these days bad means good, so I am a good person!) or
with an opposite view (I am a *bad* person... but that was in the past and now
I am kind and generous)(or whatever...). Whenever you find yourself saying
something that makes you feel bad or guilty or sad or whatever, there you
go.... there's a belief.... transform it.
These new beliefs WILL make a difference in your life for the better I assure
you. You must take the first step, just as baby takes her first steps - no
one can do it for you. And if you fall, you just get back up again. and
again. and again. And then pretty soon, you will be walking all by yourself,
easily.
Much love to you,
xxxtg
* I'm an optimist -- even my blood is positive *
http://members.aol.com/Teeegeee/tgsplace.html <~~~~ on the web now!
Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 16:43:03 -0700
From: Mary Ezzell <maryATnospamsonic.net>
To: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Chakral Sanskrit
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At 10:10 AM 5/2/98 EDT, Afperry wrote:
>Alan: I think there is another important aspect to consider here. When a
>'guru' of the right spiritual attainment initiates a disciple with a mantra,
>he/she is literally sowing a seed of power in that disciple's
consciousness by
>transferring latent shakti. The disciple's subsequent sadhana causes that
seed
>to grow until eventually the mantra comes to fruition and the disciple in
turn
>becomes a guru who can then pass it on to his own disciple. I think the term
>bija/seed mantra is a lot more literal than people realise!
>Alan
Right, all this is wonderful, for those who have access to such a master!
For those who don't ... sometimes maybe it can happen by telepathy. :-)))
Mary
Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 23:22:25 -0500
From: the sittigs <tmsittigATnospamcal-net.net>
To: "'kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com'" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Spontaneous Kundalini Arising
Message-ID: <01BD7621.31E484A0ATnospamcal-net138.cal-net.net>
Question:
Has anyone had a spontaneous kundalini experience after going through deep grief from a loved one passing on? Quite new to this and very confused!!!
Tess
Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 00:26:05 -0500
From: the sittigs <tmsittigATnospamcal-net.net>
To: "'kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com'" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: RE:spontaneous k
Message-ID: <01BD762A.12AD6760ATnospamcal-net147.cal-net.net>
I am fairly new to this list...have been lurking , trying to figure out what's
going on!!
Lost a close family member in Nov. and after months of painful grief and intense praying for him and for myself , I'm confused as to the origin of the tingling sensations on my head, shoulders and back (actually all over) these occur daily , but not as intense as they were for awhile. I'm sure that the most of it is kundalini ( from the reading I've been doing) but for the longest time I thought it was Michael's presence that I was picking up...I'm just damn confused!!!
Woke up in the middle of the night totally surrounded in BLISSFULL love...
that lasted for quite some time (hard tellin how long it was). I've felt a warm pressure slowly rising from the root chakra to the crown...the first time this happened I had never heard of Kundalini but was aware of chakras and thought I was being touched by someone. Needless to say I've , up until recently, thought I was going crazy. My choice of words to explain this I'm sure are lacking!!! Oh , I've also heard voices , but it's my voice , just as
I 'm dropping off to sleep . I'm an R.N. and need my sanity to take care of my people. Hoping to find more answers!!! Also hoping part of it all is Michael dropping in to say HI!!
Tess
Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 06:15:07 -0400
From: trexisATnospamjuno.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #349
Message-ID: <19980503.061508.6966.0.trexisATnospamjuno.com>
>From: Jeanne Garner <jeannegATnospamicon.net>
>Subject: Re: Awakenings: Balanced VS Unbalanced
, that person doesn't need someone to tell him/her that all is
>one,
>>but how to handle that problem and FAST. How do you help? You give
>>instructions for the energy release technique and the temperature
>will
>>stabilize in seconds. That's how you help.
>
>Almost makes you wonder if we need a "kundalini 911" list...
>
>
> Jeanne
> ==-* My stars!
>
>
I believe the ARE (cayce institute) does have a 1800 emergency hotline
for people
having troubling kundalini outbursts. I don't know the number myself,
but their
web page might have it. And if all else fails, calling information to
Virginia Beach
could hook you up.
Edward
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Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 08:43:08 EDT
From: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
To: tmsittigATnospamcal-net.net, Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: spontaneous k
Message-ID: <bc85ce66.354c665dATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 5/2/1998 10:29:49 PM Pacific Daylight Time, tmsittigATnospamcal-
net.net writes:
<< am fairly new to this list...have been lurking , trying to figure out
what's
going on!!
Lost a close family member in Nov. and after months of painful grief and
intense praying for him and for myself , I'm confused as to the origin of the
tingling sensations on my head, shoulders and back (actually all over) these
occur daily , but not as intense as they were for awhile. I'm sure that the
most of it is kundalini ( from the reading I've been doing) but for the
longest time I thought it was Michael's presence that I was picking up...I'm
just damn confused!!! >>
Harsha: It is well known that intense grief can cause the Shakti to awaken.
Any kind of prolonged concentration, or dwelling on one idea, or a person, or
God has potential to awaken Kundalini. In grieving for a beloved, one
experiences one pointed intense emotions, and one's worldly interests weaken
for the time being somewhat as well. All of this is fertile ground for the
Higher Intelligence to assert It self. Buddha pointed out that pain and
suffering are part of life. Sages say that it is due to the suffering one
experiences that one raises fundamental questions and is propelled to the
higher spiritual life. God bless you with peace.
Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 08:11:39 -0700
From: lobster <lobATnospamlobster.newnet.co.uk>
To: tariqas <tariqasATnospamworld.std.com>,
Kundalini Mailing List <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: My son, my son . . .
Message-ID: <354B37AB.8393E9C5ATnospamlobster.newnet.co.uk>
Two long-time Jewish friends, happened to meet,
and one noticed that the other seemed depressed.
"What's wrong?" he asked.
"There's terrible trouble in my family, " the first fellow said.
"I sent my son to Israel so that he would come home a better Jew,
and believe it or not, he came home a Christian."
"It's funny that you should mention that," said the second man.
"Exactly the same thing happened to me. I sent my son to Israel so
that he'd become a better Jew, and he too, came home a Christian."
They both decided to seek the advice of their rabbi.
They went and told their rabbi what had happened in their families.
"It's funny that you should mention that," said the rabbi,
"because exactly the same thing happened in *our* family.
I sent my only son to Israel in hope that he would become a better
Jew, and, believe it or not, he also came home a Christian."
At that, the three men fell to their knees, and with tears
streaming down their faces, addressed God the Father Almighty
directly. When each of them told the Lord their stories,
they heard a voice from heaven reply:
"It's funny that you should mention that . . ."
Be Well
Lobster (nothing to do with anything)
Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 10:28:40 EDT
From: WHYASK <WHYASKATnospamaol.com>
To: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Ego and K
Message-ID: <9565ae33.354c7f19ATnospamaol.com>
Kristin writes:
>I think K and I have been in a never ending battle. I am not letting my
ego >down, and I think it is hurting me more than some other pain. What do
you >think?
The ego is not the *bad guy* -- it is merely all the many beliefs you have
collected over the years. Are they real? nahhh - just beliefs.... A way of
you looking at the world you seem to believe, of proving through your
experiences that the world is right, that something must be destroyed or
vengence made upon for you to be happy. These beliefs are keeping you a
victim of your own making.
It is through eliminating these beliefs we have that is the undoing of your
ego. The chipping away of them, allowing your own beauty, your own happiness
to shine through. We are not trying to transcend nor eradicate the ego, but
to transform it into a new belief system -- one that will support you in your
path that will give you guidance for new and improved reactions, and giving
you new experiences to support these new beliefs easily.
Your new ego, your new beliefs, begin with you. I've found that the easiest
way to change a belief is by adding a sentence to it -- not to eliminate it,
but transform it.
I change these beliefs in several different ways -- by neutrality (I am a
*bad* person.... but this thought is meaningless) or with humor (I am a
*bad* person..... but these days bad means good, so I am a good person!) or
with an opposite view (I am a *bad* person... but that was in the past and now
I am kind and generous)(or whatever...). Whenever you find yourself saying
something that makes you feel bad or guilty or sad or whatever, there you
go.... there's a belief.... transform it.
These new beliefs WILL make a difference in your life for the better I assure
you. You must take the first step, just as baby takes her first steps - no
one can do it for you. And if you fall, you just get back up again. and
again. and again. And then pretty soon, you will be walking all by yourself,
easily.
Much love to you,
xxxtg
* I'm an optimist -- even my blood is positive *
I agree with what you said, and I am trying to take my baby steps everyday, no
matter how many times I may fall. Throughout the past few days, I have been
picking myself, up and trying to move forward with little baby steps.
Kristin
Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 09:40:42 -0500 (CDT)
From: hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com (Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D.)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: re: Ego and K
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To echo Jan, tg, and especially Gloria Lee: when I've tried to get rid
of my ego willfully, all I end up is bruised and crabby. I believe the
transformation of the ego is God's job, not ours. When I am able to
keep my focus on the divine within the "I," I notice that the ego has
receded (as Gloria said) and become more transparent without my having
to do a thing. Holly
Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 13:46:41 -0400
From: "Antoine" <acarreATnospamconcentric.net>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>, "Danijel Turina" <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr>
Subject: Re: Awakenings: Balanced VS Unbalanced
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Danijel wrote,
:>:I think that's what this list is supposed to do: tell the people that
:>:someone's been through the same thing, tell them what helps in their
:>:condition and what should be avoided - from the experience of those who
:>:walked the path themselves.
:>
:>How do we help someone to understand he or she only fears him/herself?
:I don't see what you mean? Absolute statements are completely irrelevant
:for solving problems in the relative.
Do absolute statement ever help?
: People need practical advice, not crap.
Practical advice do help sometimes, as many other things. But the same
advise will work differently depending of the space we give to people when
we give them. Helping someone to feel safe to open up to himself or herself,
IMHO, will do much more then telling that what he/she was doing before is
crap and telling that the person must follow what you believe as more
effective, instead. It's for the person, i try to help, to find out what
he/she used before is not of any use anymore. Not for me to judge.
:If someone's temperature is rising due tu K-overload at mulaadhara
:cakra, that person doesn't need someone to tell him/her that all is one,
:but how to handle that problem and FAST.
Maybe that person as a lesson of wisdom to learn from the temperature
raising. Giving only a "pill" to "heal" the symptoms, may only push in the
future the same problem at a deeper level to come back.
:How do you help? You give
:instructions for the energy release technique and the temperature will
:stabilize in seconds. That's how you help.
It's your point of view, i respect it. But there is more than one way to
help.
:>:Some things that take people decades to solve can be solved in months.
You
:>:just need to know what to do. K would probably solve things out as it is,
:>:but if you are conscious of the process, you can assist it.
:>
:>Yes so true, but also it can create deeper fears.
:
:Bullshit.
:Tell me this: if you are trying to cross the street blindfolded, and if you
:are trying to do it with your eyes wide open, observing things so you can
:avoid cars, stop and go, depending on the conditions, tell me, what are the
:chances for you to get there in one piece, in the first and in the second
:case? Come on!
Staying in your example, on a practical level what you say is true. But i
have seen people in martial art catch, eyes close, an arrow directed at them
with there hand. Crossing the street with eyes close would not be so hard
for them. Crossing the street with their eyes wide open and that inner sense
also wide open is even better. No?
Another line of thoug, from the same example. Why do parents teach first to
their children the rules for crossing streets, over developing the intuition
the children already as of danger? Is it to have a peace of mind when they
let their children go play outside? Is it because the parents don't have
time to be there with their children all the time and learn to them from
case by case, and thus help them develop their judgement, more than take the
habbit of following rules.
Same goes with "healing" the temperature raising due to K. Maybe there is a
deeper inner sense to become aware of. And buy healing to fast a
manifestation of K we don't help this deepness to emerge. We stay in 911
healing.
: I know what I'm talking about. My students are handling in
:weeks what I was struggling through for months and years. Knowledge and
:guidance are everything.
May i ask what you have against time, why you are in such an hurry? Makes me
remember of this tale. A man who was looking for enligthment, and was asking
himself how to reach it the fastes way. It's only when he realised and
accepted it would take more than is life, it would take eternity, for him to
reach it. It's only then, at that moment, that he reached spontaneous
awaikening. He accepted that it would take him eternity. Time was of no
meaning to him, anymore. He was not figthing against time anymore.
As you know the real master or guide is inside of us. How we cultivate it in
others is a nice question to ask oneself.
:I see people here who are spontaneously performing
:the up-stream kriya. Mostly, they don't even know what it is. Therefore,
:they are cautious. They question themselves all the time, wondering if
:they're going nuts or what. When they find out it is actually a good thing,
:they can do it willingly and accelerate their growth enormously. That's
:what I'm talking about here. The mind works all the time. It is better when
:it works as your ally then as your enemy.
In a relative way to what you refer as "you", what you say is true. But, to
the ME, is there allies or enemies? As long as we crystalize the notion of
an enemy vs an ally, or something being outside us, we help maintain a veil
to who we are, no matter how good we are at making things look shinny new.
There is no bullshit to me in the world. If you see some it's yours to keep.
Antoine
Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 12:29:06 PDT
From: "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com>
To: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, WHYASKATnospamaol.com
Subject: Re: Ego and K
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>From: WHYASK <WHYASKATnospamaol.com>
>Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 12:04:48 EDT
>To: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
>Subject: Ego and K
>
>I think K and I have been in a never ending battle. I am not letting my
ego
>down, and I think it is hurting me more than some other pain. What do
you
>think?
>Kristin
>
>
Dear Kristin,
Tho I do mean to be helpful, and I somewhat stand by my last advice,
in a general way.. it also occurs to me that I may have failed to listen
to you.. or at least to ask how it is that you see your ego problem?? It
would help to have a bit more information from you, because if you see
your ego as somehow the source of causing this depression..is it
tormenting you?? perhaps calling you a failure in some way?? Sometimes
Kundalini does bring up all sorts of feelings, like a dark night of the
soul type experience. Would you be able to describe a bit more what you
are experiencing?? And why you think it is an ego problem?? It would
help us on the list to understand better how to advise you, too.
With much love and concern,
Glo Lee
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Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 12:43:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: Rik <rik_wATnospamrocketmail.com>
To: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>, Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: spontaneous k
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---Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> wrote:
>
> In a message dated 5/2/1998 10:29:49 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
tmsittigATnospamcal-
> net.net writes:
>
> << am fairly new to this list...have been lurking , trying to
figure out
> what's
> going on!!
> Lost a close family member in Nov. and after months of painful
grief and
> intense praying for him and for myself , I'm confused as to the
origin of the
> tingling sensations on my head, shoulders and back (actually all
over) these
> occur daily , but not as intense as they were for awhile. I'm sure
that the
> most of it is kundalini ( from the reading I've been doing) but for
the
> longest time I thought it was Michael's presence that I was picking
up...I'm
> just damn confused!!! >>
>
> Harsha: It is well known that intense grief can cause the Shakti to
awaken.
> Any kind of prolonged concentration, or dwelling on one idea, or a
person, or
> God has potential to awaken Kundalini. In grieving for a beloved, one
> experiences one pointed intense emotions, and one's worldly
interests weaken
> for the time being somewhat as well. All of this is fertile ground
for the
> Higher Intelligence to assert It self. Buddha pointed out that pain
and
> suffering are part of life. Sages say that it is due to the
suffering one
> experiences that one raises fundamental questions and is propelled
to the
> higher spiritual life. God bless you with peace.
>
>
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