1998/04/30 08:49
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #345
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 345
Today's Topics:
Re: birth from death [ "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com> ]
Re: Goddess/inner opposite sex?? [ "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com> ]
RE: nadis/chakras [ Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley ]
Re: Goddess [ Hofe1 <Hofe1ATnospamaol.com> ]
RE: birth from death [ "Jan Barendrecht" <janbarenATnospamcorreo. ]
Re: Goddess and identity [ Rik <rik_wATnospamrocketmail.com> ]
Re: K-list posting Members pay atten [ "Antoine" <acarreATnospamconcentric.net> ]
Re: List Evolution ..my opinion FWIW [ Delirium <deliriumATnospamfull-moon.com> ]
identify God [ lobster <lobATnospamlobster.newnet.co.uk> ]
Chakral Sanskrit [ Afperry <AfperryATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Chakral Sanskrit [ Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> ]
3 times K. from 1 to 7 [ "Jan Barendrecht" <janbarenATnospamcorreo. ]
Women's Healing Circle [ flute <fluteATnospamtexas.net> ]
All this split the list stuff [ "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail. ]
Re: spiritual communities [ "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail. ]
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 16:07:08 PDT
From: "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk
Subject: Re: birth from death
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>From: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
>
>In a private conversation recently I told loba kola that I had almost
>died of a combination of mumps and pneumonia when I was 18 months old.
>She replied that there might be some kundalini relevance to this, that
>perhaps a number of people had some kind of death experience as
>predisposition to kundalini awakening?
>
>Does anybody here correlate to this or find any relevence or validity
>in this?
>
>--
>Paul.
>
>
Dear Paul,
I dunno for sure..but have heard and read that "near death" can affect
spiritual awareness. But while I almost died of whooping cough at 6
wks..sure it must have felt like choking to death..there was no
conscious awareness to process this..so that's my NEW question - Does
one need to be aware consciously that they almost died?? Like to think
about it afterwards??
Good question, Paul.
Glo
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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 16:18:11 PDT
From: "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com>
To: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk
Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Goddess/inner opposite sex??
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>From: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
>Hello.
>
>i<SNIP>
>actually right to be sexist, for example. In some way this made me
>feel that I was not altogether male, so perhaps overassociating with
>the feminin aspect of my whole. But when there comes a confidence and
>a clarity and a willingness to let the feminin within /be/, it is also
>to let the sense of masculin be whole as well.
Paul...each person has the opposite sex identity (called the repressed
side..or anima/animus by Jung) within... this is true both
psychologically and spiritually..
Mystress had some good postings on this just before you joined.. have
you found your way to the archives yet?? Anyway..wholeness and balance
is found within thru the marriage of the female and male..IN YOU!!
most seek it outside in a relationship.. (not that this is neither good,
nor bad.. thing to do..BUT is different than the joining within
yourself. ) You seem to be experiencing SO MUCH AT ONCE GOING ON!!!
However do you manage to cope??
Love, Glo
LOve, Glo
At this particular
>moment I am feeling more male than I have for a long time, and more
>open to the possibility that k is a woman. And I am playing a lot of
>music by female artists just lately too. I seemed to used to try and
>be more like the male artists.
>
>Maybe I need a woman ;-0
>
>--
>Paul.
>
>
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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 16:38:19 -0700
From: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
To: "'trexisATnospamjuno.com'" <trexisATnospamjuno.com>,
"kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com"
<kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Cc: "'khalsansATnospamnis.lanl.gov'" <khalsansATnospamnis.lanl.gov>
Subject: RE: nadis/chakras
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Trexis says:
I've heard so much here lately about the sushumna vs vajra central nadis
(as well as
the other that I don't remember) that there's been no mention of the ida
or pingala.
What is the relation between kundalini energy rising through
vajra/sushumna and
the energies rising through the ida or pingala? Like the vajra, the ida
and pingala
do not reach all the way to the sahasrara but end at or below anja.
KK:
Sigh. I guess my efforts to present an alternative version of the vajra
nadi based on Sat Cakra Nirupana etc. didn't make much progress. Oh well.
As for ida and pingala ending at the ajna. In the systems I am familiar
with this does not imply that they do not reach the sahasrara. They
actually continue past the sahasrara and continue down the front of the
skull to the space between the eyes.
Trexis continues:
Is kundalini running through
these two
"parepheral" nadis?
<snip>
I never knew what to make of Gopi Krishna's statement regarding kundalini
in his pingala. I don't dismiss it - but I don't think I've ever read or
heard anything like it anywhere else. Certainly prana runs through these
two nadis in all systems that discuss them - but as for kundalini waking up
and rising through them - don't know.
Regarding these energy systems in general.
There are only about 5 classical works on yoga from which most of the
remaining literature comes - you might as well just read these:
http://www.spiritweb.com/Spirit/kundalini-biblio.html#classical-hatha-la
ya-kriya
If you read enough of this literature, as well as that from Buddhist tantra
and chinese systems, you will see that there are a few common points:
Central channel/sushumna (the governor meridian (as I remember))
Navel cakra/ manipura (ming men in back/ tan tien in the front)
Heart cakra/ anahata (sorry, only remember this as the ``second gate'')
mid-point between brows/ ajna (sorry, only remember this as the ``third
gate'')
crown cakra.
But there are a number of differences:
the ida and pingala nerves are not represented in any Chinese system I am
aware of.
As for the nature of these cakras there are a tremendous variety of
opinions in terms of ``petals'' or side-channels. Etc. some systems
visualize very elaborately with deities, letters, colors etc. per petal.
I personally have never seen much point in getting other people to tell you
about your own energy system. If it is a ``realized master'' then there may
be some confirmation of experience that helps you gain confidence that you
are not losing your marbles. The important thing is: ``How do YOU
experience your energy system?''
Don't know if I got to the point of your question
KUrt
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 20:49:37 EDT
From: Hofe1 <Hofe1ATnospamaol.com>
To: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Goddess
Message-ID: <37e87476.3547caa2ATnospamaol.com>
Dear Paul:
There are methods of "masturbation" that produce orgasms without
ejaculation. I believe Angelique has a reference to one of these books on her
website (www.domi8rex.com). As for myself, I use Mantek Chia's book Taosit
Secrets of Love: Cultivating Male Sexual Energy. There are other books on
sacred sex that teach methods of how to have multiple orgasms and how to
channel the energy upward. One precaution is that one take it slow in
cultivating sexual energy and do all
the necessary prep work to strengthen the body before engaging in sacred sex.
You can do yourself harm if you don't.
Best wishes,
Dave
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 01:55:48 +0100
From: "Jan Barendrecht" <janbarenATnospamcorreo.infase.es>
To: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
Cc: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: RE: birth from death
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Paul West wrote on Wednesday, April 29, 1998 8:22 PM
<snip>
> perhaps a number of people had some kind of death experience as
> predisposition to Kundalini awakening?
>
> Does anybody here correlate to this or find any relevance or validity
> in this?
>From my experience, definitely yes. Long ago, an anti-war action failed
because of an error I made. My friends considered the error unavoidable so
forgivable but I decided otherwise. Reflecting on the matter and the fact
that apart from action, life had nothing to offer I cared for, the
death-sentence seemed appropriate. The logic of my thoughts was compelling
so I executed this but forgot that I always survive. The SS took me out of a
coma and took advantage of the situation by applying an illegal
interrogation. This became known publicly and it turned the action into a
success after all. The coma had left me with the remembrance of an NDE that
could be described as a state of bliss without thoughts but with the sight
of a few galactic objects. The "aftertaste" it left was much stronger than
the NDE itself. As my motives to leave life hadn't changed but according to
my logic one can take leave from life only once, I acted (for friends,
relatives) as if nothing ever happened but my personal interests, opinion
etc. were dead. This resulted in explosive K. awakening and rising. As I
was unfamiliar with it, I didn't ask for help. Without the NDE and the fact
that in a certain sense I considered myself a dead one, I could not have
remained my sanity (but would have ended on funny farm forever). So in a
most literary sense my birth (in a spiritual sense) came from the death I
sentenced myself to.
Jan
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 18:32:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: Rik <rik_wATnospamrocketmail.com>
To: Dan Margolis <margolisATnospamtransbay.net>,
Kundalini Mailing List <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Goddess and identity
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---Dan Margolis <margolisATnospamtransbay.net> wrote:
> I said no, because to limit god to Kundalini would be disservice to
> all that is, was and will be.
>
> Dan M.
True enough, and to limit god to kundalini also.
(I suspected that was why you said no.) Depends to
what one is referring when one uses these terms
I guess. I've often seen it said that Skakti is
Goddess, etc, and I was curious if there was more
that could be said along those lines.
Thanks for your clarification, Dan. -rik
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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 22:01:17 -0400
From: "Antoine" <acarreATnospamconcentric.net>
To: "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu>, <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: K-list posting Members pay attention!!
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Hello,
:Kurt wrote:
:>I'm primarily interested in:
:>Traditional Kundalini yoga related practices - using effort and
intention -
:>kriya yoga, kundalini yoga, hatha yoga, the yoga of the Nathas, the yoga
of
:>the Kaulas, Sri Vidya
:>And those of grace: siddha yoga, sahaja yoga, kundalini mahayoga
:Sharon wrote:
:And I...sadly...am not. When those posts come in I don't have a clue as to
:what the writers are talking about.
:
:Although kundalini yoga is obviously related to k...not all of us can
relate
:to kundalini yoga. Many, if not most of us, have had spontaneous
awakenings
:and have never followed the yogic path.
:
:So....if I had my druthers, I would rather see esoteric yoga discussions,
:poetry, and the like on a K-yoga list, and everything else on another...at
:least to start. Perhaps later there would be enough interest to spin off
:yet more groups. I think the k phenomena list was a good idea, but it just
:didn't get off the ground.
I try to stay open to learning in all forms, and they are real gold mines on
this list that sometimes come out from such a diversity mixing up with an
"open mind" to what really IS.
Thank you all of you for THAT.
Antoine
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 23:43:17 +0100
From: Delirium <deliriumATnospamfull-moon.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: List Evolution ..my opinion FWIW
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My eyes glaze over when the "technical" and Sanskrit related posts are
predominant...I file them and think maybe I'll look over them in future
but my own interests are more visceral right now. I can see the value of
nearly every post on this list. There are few major melees, mostly
spirited debates, and there is *still* an atmosphere of unconditional
love.
But I don't have to nurse a clogged server or take care of complaints
... I respect Angelique's desire to concentrate the basic K info on a
website...
My pet peeve on*any* list is the bad habit that some have for copying
entire posts...I think it is lazy and rude... unless for some reason
their mail software gives them no choice. I'd suggest maybe a "don't
wanna squelch your replies but three strikes and you're unsubbed unless
you start snippin' " policy for people who habitually/continuously clog
the list with looonnnngggg copies of posts...but again, I'm not
Mystress.
Soo...not much K-related stuff here, but since we're thinkin' about
change...there's another semi-lurker's opinion for the pot!
--Kath
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 07:33:07 -0700
From: lobster <lobATnospamlobster.newnet.co.uk>
To: Rik <rik_wATnospamrocketmail.com>
CC: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>, richardATnospamskydancer.com,
kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: identify God
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> The original question was "is K God?" Someone answered no.
> I would tend to say 'Yes' by my own limited understanding
> of K. I would say that the way I've viewed things,
> "kundalini" is God, while "shakti" is Not-God, that is
> negation, or Becoming. Kundalini the "state" of Is-ness,
> Shakti the "process" of Becoming by negation, towards the
> Non-dual represented by "kundalini-shakti". Being-Becoming.
> But maybe I just don't know my Sanskrit well enough. (very true)
>
> Rik = confused
> and in great need of negation
Have posted this before. I feel it is worth repeating. Hope it helps.
Him incidentally does not mean "not she".
Lobster
Defining the Indefinable
Words of Al-Hallaj
"Before" does not outstrip Him,
"after" does not interrupt Him
"of" does not vie with Him for precedence
"from" does not accord with Him
"to" does not join with Him
"in" does not inhabit Him
"when" does not stop Him
"if" does not consult with Him
"over" does not overshadow Him
"under" does not support Him
"opposite" does not face Him
"with" does not press Him
"behind" does not limit Him
"previous" does not display Him
"after" does not cause Him to pass away
"all" does not unite Him
"is" does not bring Him into being
"is not" does not deprive Him from Being.
Concealment does not veil Him
His pre-existence preceded time,
His being preceded non-being,
His eternity preceded limit.
If thou sayest 'when', His existing has outstripped time;
If thou sayest 'before', before is after Him;
If thou sayest 'he', 'h' and 'e' are His creation;
If thou sayest 'how', His essence is veiled from description;
If thou sayest 'where', His being preceded space;
If thou sayest 'ipseity' (ma huwa), His ipseity (huwiwah) is apart
from things.
Other than He cannot be qualified by two (opposite) qualities at one
time; yet With Him they do not create opposition.
He is hidden in His manifestation, manifest in His concealing.
He is outward and inward, near and far; and in this respect He is
removed beyond the resemblance of creation.
He acts without contact,
instructs without meeting,
guides without pointing.
Desires do not conflict with Him,
thoughts do not mingle with Him:
His essence is without qualification (takyeef),
His action without effort (takleef).
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 08:19:17 EDT
From: Afperry <AfperryATnospamaol.com>
To: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Chakral Sanskrit
Message-ID: <d084b8ce.35486c46ATnospamaol.com>
Dear List members,
I recall sometime past reading a fascinating excerpt from a book on or by
Paramahansa Yogananda (details now lost in the fog of time) in which the
author commented on the source of the Sanskrit alphabet. He said that
Yogananda's paramguru, Lahiri Mahasaya, had taught that the 50 letters of the
Sanskrit alphabet are the sounds of the 50 'petals' of the chakral lotuses
from the muladhara/base to the ajna/brow, and that this alphabet had evolved
as a direct result of the yogic revelations of the ancient rishis .
If this is true, and I am not sufficiently au fait with Sanksrit to be able to
comment, then the chanting of Sanskrit has an important esoteric role to play
in our spiritual development and therefore merits deeper consideration on
practical grounds alone.
Have any list members knowledge of this?
With blessings,
Alan
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 09:09:25 EDT
From: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
To: AfperryATnospamaol.com, Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Chakral Sanskrit
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In a message dated 4/30/1998, 8:20:18 AM, AfperryATnospamaol.com writes:
<<If this is true, and I am not sufficiently au fait with Sanksrit to be able
to
comment, then the chanting of Sanskrit has an important esoteric role to play
in our spiritual development and therefore merits deeper consideration on
practical grounds alone.
Have any list members knowledge of this?
With blessings,
Alan
>>
Harsha: Dear Alan, You might enjoy reading Japa Yoga by Swami Sivananda of
Rishikesh in which he explains these matters (related to Sanskrit mantras and
sounds). I often mention Swami Sivananda because my father used to correspond
with him back in the 1950s about certain physical ailment that he had. Swami
Sivananda was a very kind hearted person and used to send advice on yoga and
meditation and mantras for special puropses such as healing as well as
spiritual development. He had been a medical doctor prior to becoming a Monk
(at the age of 37) and continued to be concerned with health issues of his
devotees. He had some very advanced students (who are not as well known in the
U.S. --although some are, such as Swami Vishnudevananda and Swami
Satchitananda and others). They helped him publish books on various forms of
yoga which are quite informative and helpful.
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 14:32:10 +0100
From: "Jan Barendrecht" <janbarenATnospamcorreo.infase.es>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: 3 times K. from 1 to 7
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As the list turned to the technicalities of K., I have some questions that
couldn't be answered by people that were experts in spirituality but not on
K. so I hope, for the experts on K. they are a breeze. K. has to be brought
to Sahasrara Chakra for the union to take place. As by intuition I had
developed a most effective method, there were no problems even without
knowing what was going on.... What amazed me, that after the bliss of the
union and another event, to my utter amazement K. was back again at the
Root-center. Bringing K. up to Sahasrara was hard work this time, but it
could be done. So I wasn't too surprised, that the process had to be
repeated another time but now it was very hard. From the start of being
conscious of K. I could feel the Nadis, Chakras and the "tension" on both
Nadis and the Chakras. My questions are:
1) Nowhere in literature did I come across the fact that after the (bliss
of) union K. has to be brought up two more times - is there any explanation
?
2) The perception of the Chakras changed very much. When K. was brought up
for the first time, there was no disagreement with literature (I checked
this later), but the second and third time only Svadhisthana Chakra remained
unchanged and all the others were different. Again, no clues in literature.
My question: What causes the Chakras to change beyond recognition and why
is Svadhisthana Chakra an exception?
3) Every time K. had to be brought to Sahasrara (after the third time it
stayed there), it took more energy than the previous time . This has puzzled
me ever since, as it seems that purity of Nadis isn't the only criterion.
The second and third time consumed so much energy, that the body-temperature
dropped to a point that I could hardly escape (forced) hospitalization. What
is going on that is consuming so much energy?
tnx for an answer,
Jan
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 08:39:05 -0500
From: flute <fluteATnospamtexas.net>
To: GWYNNE S MAYER <GWYNNE_DEVAATnospamprodigy.net>
CC: Alan McNeil <amcneilATnospamnull.net>, BL Allison <pallisonATnospamtheriver.com>,
Lance Rodriguez <astrolanceATnospamprodigy.net>,
Ann McMaster <AnnMcMasteATnospamaol.com>, Tom Parish <tomATnospamparishhome.com>,
Mari Hall <reikiATnospamLbc.pvtnet.cz>, John Smith <mindmythATnospamnetcom.ca>,
Michael Sullivan <TricosATnospamyahoo.com>
Subject: Women's Healing Circle
Message-ID: <35487EF9.5DEAATnospamtexas.net>
San Antonio was delighted to have Ganawela in our city in March
attending a gathering of the Tribes (called a Pow Wow). She was
promptly coaxed into leading a Women´s Healing Circle for a number of
close friends. We were so delighted with the event we asked her to
return. This event is one of the rare glimpses into traditional healing
methods of the Native Americans. The value of knowing the heritage and
understanding unity in healing is priceless.
Ganawela better known as Grandma Jean WalkSoftly, is a Cherokee
woman who teaches traditional crystal and healing methods passed down to
her from her Cherokee grandmothers. She is an international traveler who
has visited and exchanged indigenous energies and views with the Maori´s
in New Zealand, the Aborigines in Australia and the Mayans of the
Yucatan, Mexico. A wife and mother of five, she travels globally to
share her love and Teach her knowledge of the Way of Right Relationship
- to Creator, to Self, to children and to Grandmother Earth.
We are privileged to have Grandmother Jean again lead a Traditional
Women´s circle here in San Antonio.
Grandmother Jean´s vision creates the sacred place of beauty and balance
for all, where you can cleanse
and balance your Body, Spirit, Mind, and Emotions, where you can heal
what is damaged and release that which is not for each persons´ highest
thoughts and the greatest good of all mankind.
Ganawela will ask you to sign a listing when you get to the circle.
All names and donations are placed in an abundance blessing, asking that
what you give will be returned to you many times over. (Cost is $45.00
per person) The money raised will be used for expenses and for Vision
Mountain, a large healing center that is being built on the border of
Colorado and New Mexico.
Contact me.. flute at my website
http://www.create.org/healingarts
fluteATnospamtexas.net
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 07:32:29 PDT
From: "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: All this split the list stuff
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First to Kurt et al, I know I've promised you stuff. I just haven't been
able to "do my research" yet. Sorry.
Now the maid topic:
I know that the list is big, OK really big. It does fill one's Inbox
(and I get the digest version) and heaven help the person who doesn't
look in for a week. But do we want to split the list?
Haven't we all benefited in some way from some way out goofy idea that
we'd never have any interest in, and certainly never sign up for if it
were posted on one of the goofy ones of the three or four lists?
A lot of what goes on this list is "this is cool, I'll share it" stuff
that doesn't relate to K, there have been flame wars over the years
(I've stepped in one or two myself, don't remember starting one but that
may be selective memory), the list gets "way to go" messages that would
be best sent directly to the person who made the original post because
they don't add anything and do waste bandwidth when sent to the entire
list.
Guess what!.... those will still be on each of the "baby K-lists" in
just as large a percentage, you'll just have access to fewer ideas
overall so the same percentage of "junk" will be on a smaller
information base.
A while back I had to sit down and decide whether to keep my
subscription to Yoga Journal, which has become more about Buddhism
(American style, not any that would be recognized in Asia) than it has
about Yoga or the associated ideas, philosophies, and traditions. I
decided the majority was not at all what I wanted, but I didn't want to
give up the good parts to avoid it. I still subscribe.
I vote the same here. I currently skip all but the first 2-3 lines of
many posts but I still get enough out of the total list I don't want to
loose the chance for the pearls that do appear, even those that didn't
come from a familiar paradigm.
Namaste,
Joe
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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 08:21:29 PDT
From: "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com, mattbATnospamchrysalis.com
Subject: Re: spiritual communities
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Matthew Bastress wrote:
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Now I've got all the food I like, lots of people to talk
to, music, books, etc. HOWEVER, I really miss living with
people who are spiritually inclined. I REALLY miss it.
I wonder if any of you have felt differently about your
life and the people around you since you started having
Kundalini experiences and if you felt compelled to make
any radical changes.
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Matt,
I realized what was causing my experiences after I'd already changed my
associates. I had a "fun" youth, booze, dope, sex, etc. and I really did
learn a lot about this world. I just decided most of it didn't matter
(haven't given up the sex part, though it is less often than I'd like or
choose).
The association with like minded people is normal, especially in
religious matters. All religions push this idea. In the modern secular
world that is looked upon as "brainwashing" which it is not. It does
make brainwashing easier if you hang out with a crazy with a strong
personality but it is more often a great help to spiritual development.
I've never lived in a monastery or ashram but I've visited several,
including a few weeks in Thomas Merton's old monastery in Ky. I've
always loved it, always hated to leave, always missed it when I was
gone, and always known it wasn't for me.
I've made up for it by finding like minded people and segregating my
life. My work is just work, I do it for money and it is not the focus of
my life. My life is the spiritual development and traditional
obligations I have in life. My best friend now was not my best friend
before I took this path. We help each other over the rough times and
speak a shorthand that others can't easily understand. It helps us to
communicate that we both come from an engineering background before we
began this spiritual journey, but it means most other "spiritual types"
have trouble dealing with our demand for a rational structure [set
axioms and well thought out theories]. Neither of us can relate to the
more "standard" spiritual types we encounter day to day who rely on
"feeling" only or mostly.
The list can provide some of that. The truth: it is poor second to
having people you can talk to until a subject is talked out, without
waiting for a response over the course of days. There are householder
communities in India that have gone on for years. There are a very few
in the west. America and most of the west isn't easily given to such,
we're too independent for the restrictions of the "community"
life-style. Find a few friends who share your spiritual approach and
you'll find the need for community is mostly solved.
Namaste,
Joe
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