1998/04/27 07:33
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #336
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 336
Today's Topics:
Re: Revelling [ Angela Mary Broad <ambroadATnospamacs.ucal ]
Re: Directions... (Ed) [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpent ]
all-nighters [ Briony123 <Briony123ATnospamaol.com> ]
kundalini-l (was RE: unsuscribe) [ Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley ]
Re: Revelling [ John Heaton <CttlemanATnospampsbnewton.com ]
Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #335 [ Mark Anthony Collins <themacmanATnospammac ]
allnighter [ "Susan Carlson" <divine_goddessATnospamhot ]
RE: kundalini-l (was RE: unsuscribe) [ "Jan Barendrecht" <janbarenATnospamcorreo. ]
Re: kundalini-l (was RE: unsuscribe) [ Afperry <AfperryATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Kundalini l---a modest proposal: [ "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu> ]
love [ Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co ]
Stuff [ Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co ]
Re: kundalini-l (was RE: unsuscribe) [ freda <fredaATnospamblarg.net> ]
Re: kundalini-l (was RE: unsuscribe) [ Richard Wentk <richardATnospamskydancer.co ]
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 18:00:55 -0600 (MDT)
From: Angela Mary Broad <ambroadATnospamacs.ucalgary.ca>
To: Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Revelling
Message-Id: <Pine.A41.3.96.980426175017.58736B-100000ATnospamacs1.acs.ucalgary.ca>
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Hi Paul
I have heard what you are saying about heaven and heall and comparisons
and everything. I wonder, do you know about Maldelbrot sets and fractals,
and other re-occuring patterns like the spiral/golden ratio etc? I would
like to think the universe is like that, everything self simmilar,
beautiful intricite patterns repeating everywhere and yet so chaotic and
so orderly, so contained and this is perhaps how you resolve order and
chaos, with real-live dimensional-universal love mandelbrot sets. It is
as a metaphore, I'll explain what they are if you like. I wonder though,
when I see someone walking down the street who is dressed right and
appears to be beautifull, intelligent, confident and projecting love and
light, and I compare myself with that person, feel that maybe today I'm
lacking in that, I'll go home and try even more to re-connect with my
s-elf, not to be like them, but wishing I was what I see in them that I
like makes me want badly to be better, to grow and evolve towards light.
It's like a signal. When I feel that everyone just is, no one better or
worse and I'm jsut living in joy for whatever reason, carring out a plan
or just enjoying life then I know I'm where I'm supposed to be. I wonder
then, is comparison necissary right now for us, to see the illusion of
each other's betterness, to pull each other up the evolutionary ladder,
right now in this space/time/life it is just as much a part of everything
as everything else is. For me, individuality is sacred. Perhaps it is
ego, but to loose that, to be just like everyone else all the time, I'd
never fly again...that wich I feel brings me closer to God, singing,
flying Hang Gliders, spending hours in the forest alone sensing the trees
and sunny skies, I cannot give up, that is me!! maybe this is ego, but I
have always wonderd what's so bad about that? I'm not better, heck no but
happy with who I am..
Perhaps it will all change when we all are one...
oops, or rather, are fully aware of it :)
Angie
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 09:26:02 -0700
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca
Cc: lobATnospamlineone.net, rik_wATnospamrocketmail.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Directions... (Ed)
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At 02:09 AM 26/04/98 -0700, Jerry Katz wrote:
>Ed Jason wrote:>
>After Truth there is clowning. When one who is firm in Truth recognizes
>another, there can be nothing but clowning. Think about it.
>
>And prior to realization of Truth clowning should be encouraged once in
>a while. In public displays I have seen that Muktatanda has clowned, Sri
>Sri Ravi Shankar has clowned, Krishnamurti has clowned, and those are
>just the ones that come to mind and that I have seen. I have read about
>other Gurus clowning (other than Rajneesh/Osho and Master Da.)
You bet. Joyous, happy laughter is the nature of Spirit. We are all
clowns, playing at being something we are not: Pretending to be limited
foolish wise shortsighted beings.
We are truly infinite.
Blessings, Mystress... ( ..playing at being a Dominant Goddess... )
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 21:33:23 EDT
From: Briony123 <Briony123ATnospamaol.com>
To: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: all-nighters
Message-ID: <431e5983.3543e065ATnospamaol.com>
Paul asks: "
"Has anybody here ever found spiritual liberation to any degree by
pulling an all-nighter? What I mean is, day in day out we wake up when
it's light and we go to bed when it's dark and we see the light
turning into the dark but we don't usually see the dark turning into
the light."
My reply:
During my lay period in 1986 I fasted with a Buddhist nun in Grafton NY,
in the stony field where a stupa now stands. It was just the two of us, and it
was during a snowstorm. We spent three days sitting under a little simple
open-faced south-facing lean-to.
We would sleep about 6 hours, then get up and leave the barn and sit for the
entire day in this lean-to, drumming and chanting. We didn't eat or drink for
three days.
It was an incredible experience. I remember time becoming fluid, and the sun
seeming to stream across the sky, then the clouds, and the oh so silent
snow...
and the light.....how it would change.....from pre-sunrise to nearly blinding
light reflecting off the snow, to shadows, then twilight.
So So beautiful. So So humbling. So so powerful....to witness nature's
cycle...
Ideally I would like to be getting up before dawn now....in my everyday life,
but alas, I tend to burn the candle very late, there's just so much to do!!!
I feel happy for you however.....sounds like you had a wonderful experience.
--trystan
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 18:57:45 -0700
From: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
To: "'DrEOC'" <DrEOCATnospamaol.com>,
"kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com"
<kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: kundalini-l (was RE: unsuscribe)
Message-ID: <01BD7145.33863F00.keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
Does anyone else think that we are loosing the forest for the trees in this
list? I think it's sad that each week (perhaps each day) we lose another
person who apparently had a genuine interest in kundalini because they
can't keep up with the message traffic - 90% of which is not directly
kundalini related (oh yes, I remember kundalini embraces all of life).
Some of us are subscribed because we are genuinely interested in kundalini
- not because we are looking for a chat room or because we are looking for
a `` spiritual group''. Unfortunately (in my mind) as time has gone on the
focus of conversation has gone farther and farther away from kundalini. As
a result to many of those WHO ACTUALLY ARE INTERESTED IN KUNDALINI get up
and leave. Leaving the list to those who are interested in ... well, how
would you characterize it?
Social interaction is natural - and there's lots of good fun going on in
the list. But it seems to me that a good deal of this fun could go on
somewhere else.- but isn't this the natural home for the discussion of
kundalini?
I'd like to hear publicly or privately from the members about this.
Whenever I get in side discussions I hear recurrently that people are
disappointed at the amount of chatting volume - but whenever the question
is raised at large people tend to be afraid to raise a fuss but as a vote
of one I feel that the signal to noise ratio of the list is way out of
hand.
Kurt
-----Original Message-----
From: DrEOC [SMTP:DrEOCATnospamaol.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 26, 1998 4:01 PM
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: unsuscribe
Please unsubscribe me. Your letters have jammed my mailbox in 2 days.
Hundreds
of letters.
Thank you anyway
DrEOCATnospamAOL.com
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 09:13:08 -0500
From: John Heaton <CttlemanATnospampsbnewton.com>
To: Angela Mary Broad <ambroadATnospamacs.ucalgary.ca>
CC: Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com,
kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Revelling
Message-ID: <354340F4.7626ATnospampsbnewton.com>
Angela Mary Broad wrote:
>
> Hi Paul
>
> I have heard what you are saying about heaven and heall and comparisons
> and everything. I wonder, do you know about Maldelbrot sets and fractals,
> and other re-occuring patterns like the spiral/golden ratio etc? I would
> like to think the universe is like that, everything self simmilar,
> beautiful intricite patterns repeating everywhere and yet so chaotic and
> so orderly, so contained and this is perhaps how you resolve order and
> chaos, with real-live dimensional-universal love mandelbrot sets.
John: Hi Angie. Are you familiar with www.danwinter.com? If not, give it
a look see, pretty cool stuff and see what you think.. Sacred geometry,
the golden mean, that kind of thing. WARNING: it is most ez to lose ones
self in this incredible piece of cyber mind-porn. Mental masturbation
runs rampant here.
It is
> as a metaphore, I'll explain what they are if you like. I wonder though,
> when I see someone walking down the street who is dressed right and
> appears to be beautifull, intelligent, confident and projecting love and
> light, and I compare myself with that person,
John: Please, don't ever never ever compare your self with another
person. Mirrors they be, yardsticks they are not.
feel that maybe today I'm
> lacking in that, I'll go home and try even more to re-connect with my
> s-elf, not to be like them, but wishing I was what I see in them that I
> like makes me want badly to be better, to grow and evolve towards light.
> It's like a signal. When I feel that everyone just is, no one better or
> worse and I'm jsut living in joy for whatever reason, carring out a plan
> or just enjoying life then I know I'm where I'm supposed to be. I wonder
> then, is comparison necissary right now for us, to see the illusion of
> each other's betterness, to pull each other up the evolutionary ladder,
> right now in this space/time/life it is just as much a part of everything
> as everything else is.
John: I see you point and understand your quandry. My own thoughts are
comparison is ego generated and should be recognized as such. (been on
this merry-go-round, no smiley faces could I find...)
For me, individuality is sacred. Perhaps it is
> ego, but to loose that, to be just like everyone else all the time, I'd
> never fly again...that wich I feel brings me closer to God, singing,
> flying Hang Gliders, spending hours in the forest alone sensing the trees
> and sunny skies, I cannot give up, that is me!! maybe this is ego, but I
> have always wonderd what's so bad about that? I'm not better, heck no but
> happy with who I am..
John: Singing, hang gliding, talking with trees and sunny skies seems to
me the beauty of spirit (freedom). If your ego is taking credit, give it
a cookie and sit it in the corner. Bring it back out when it makes a
promise to behave. Then keep an eye on it. Slippery, wonderful,
decietful and indisposable...a box of paradox.
>
> Perhaps it will all change when we all are one...
> oops, or rather, are fully aware of it :)
>
> Angie
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 22:31:40
From: Mark Anthony Collins <themacmanATnospammacsrule.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com, kundalini-l-dATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #335
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There is only one purpose to this life: to love. Everything else is
trivial. Any thing that does not break down the barriers to love is a
justification for leaving the barriers in place, which is to prolong
suffering and pain. Only the letting go of all fear, worry, judgement, and
other perceptions that try to make love seem worthy to some and not others
is what truly brings enlightenment, peace, oneness. The greatest gurus
emminate love to such a great degree that those who come into their
presense are often left speechless. This is the reason for life. Everything
else is pretend, and matters not.
Anything that is done in a spirit of love is of God, anything that is done
without love is of suffering. What you do is truly unimportant, so do
anything. Just love.
Love is all you need.
Mark Anthony Collins
"The MAC Man"
themacmanATnospammacsrule.com
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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 21:37:57 PDT
From: "Susan Carlson" <divine_goddessATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: allnighter
Message-ID: <19980427043757.27543.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
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Date: 26 Apr 98 15:56:38 +0000
From: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Ups and downs, and ups
Hello.
Has anybody here ever found spiritual liberation to any degree
by
pulling an all-nighter? What I mean is, day in day out we wake
up when
it's light and we go to bed when it's dark and we see the light
turning into the dark but we don't usually see the dark turning
into
the light.
Hi Paul,
I spent about 8 years pulling 12 hour all nighters as a nurse in
critical units in hospitals. Seems like a lot of people die just before
the sun comes up. Don't know if that qualifies for spiritual liberation.
I actually got healthier once I turned my internal clock around from
night to day. Rather than staying up all night i would recommend
getting up around 430 AM which is about the time I awaken naturally.
If you go outside you can feel the change in the earth as the sun goes
up. There is an instant where the earth changes from yin to yang, there
is a silent outbreath from Gaia right before the sun comes up. Its an
eternal still moment...very quiet.
Blessings,
Susan
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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 10:55:56 +0100
From: "Jan Barendrecht" <janbarenATnospamcorreo.infase.es>
To: <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
Cc: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>, "'DrEOC'" <DrEOCATnospamaol.com>
Subject: RE: kundalini-l (was RE: unsuscribe)
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The volume of mail is rather high (up to 70 per day) but I don't think this
is the real problem. Trying to find the one or two important messages in a
pile of over 400 after a week's absence clearly presents an overload.
Keeping the subject very strictly to K. could pose a barrier for newbes. A
solution that for the time being would alleviate the problem is changing the
header of the mail in such a way that the from jb [jbATnospammarsbase.edu], which
is the way it is now, always reads:
from kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com on behalf of jb [jbATnospammarsbase.edu] .
Any modern E-mail client offers the possibility to organize mail regarding
its sender (meaning all mail from the list would enter a folder named
Kundalini) so one's unpredictable private/business mail won't be swamped. I
am subscribed to two lists where this is applied and it works very well. As
the mail still displays its original sender, the choice between sorting on
'from/subject' remains unaltered so even a large number of letters can be
handled with ease. Future upgrades of mail-clients probably will offer the
possibility to select (and delete) per subject which would cover the chat
more efficiently. Without moderation, it is a matter of personal
opinion/discipline etc. wether or not a topic is (sufficiently) K. related.
Jan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kurt Keutzer [mailto:keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu]
> Sent: Monday, April 27, 1998 2:58 AM
> To: 'DrEOC'; kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
> Subject: kundalini-l (was RE: unsuscribe)
>
>
> Does anyone else think that we are loosing the forest for the
> trees in this
> list? I think it's sad that each week (perhaps each day) we lose another
> person who apparently had a genuine interest in kundalini because they
> can't keep up with the message traffic - 90% of which is not directly
> kundalini related (oh yes, I remember kundalini embraces all of life).
>
> Some of us are subscribed because we are genuinely interested in
> kundalini
> - not because we are looking for a chat room or because we are
> looking for
> a `` spiritual group''. Unfortunately (in my mind) as time has
> gone on the
> focus of conversation has gone farther and farther away from
> kundalini. As
> a result to many of those WHO ACTUALLY ARE INTERESTED IN KUNDALINI get up
> and leave. Leaving the list to those who are interested in ... well, how
> would you characterize it?
>
> Social interaction is natural - and there's lots of good fun going on in
> the list. But it seems to me that a good deal of this fun could go on
> somewhere else.- but isn't this the natural home for the discussion of
> kundalini?
>
> I'd like to hear publicly or privately from the members about this.
> Whenever I get in side discussions I hear recurrently that people are
> disappointed at the amount of chatting volume - but whenever the question
> is raised at large people tend to be afraid to raise a fuss but as a vote
> of one I feel that the signal to noise ratio of the list is way out of
> hand.
> Kurt
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DrEOC [SMTP:DrEOCATnospamaol.com]
> Sent: Sunday, April 26, 1998 4:01 PM
> To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
> Subject: Re: unsuscribe
>
> Please unsubscribe me. Your letters have jammed my mailbox in 2 days.
> Hundreds
> of letters.
> Thank you anyway
> DrEOCATnospamAOL.com
>
>
>
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 08:31:00 EDT
From: Afperry <AfperryATnospamaol.com>
To: keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu
Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: kundalini-l (was RE: unsuscribe)
Message-ID: <d6062188.35447a85ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 27/4/98 2:47:17 am, you wrote:
>Whenever I get in side discussions I hear recurrently that people are
>disappointed at the amount of chatting volume - but whenever the question
>is raised at large people tend to be afraid to raise a fuss but as a vote
>of one I feel that the signal to noise ratio of the list is way out of
>hand.
>Kurt
I agree entirely and was considering unsubscribing as a result. Too much
quantity overall; we need to focus much more on K related matters and reduce
the bulk.
With blessings,
Alan
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 09:06:36 -0400
From: "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Kundalini l---a modest proposal: kundalini phenomena list
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Hi,
The problem with a heavy mail list is that most letters never get read. The
recipients are too busy using the delete key.
That's one of the reasons why the kundalini p (kundalini phenomena) list was
created, but it is not currently being utilized. One of the reasons is
undoubtedly because most new members don't know about it, or its purpose,
which is a forum to discuss the nitty gritty---the physical, mental,
psychic, and emotional manifestations of k and to share solutions.
To join, go to this web page:
kundalini_pATnospamonelist.com
Then do a search on kundalini. Follow the prompts for subscribing---but if
you do subscribe, please write. A list with 98% lurkers, is no list at all.
Kundalini_p [Language: English]
The spiritual and evolutionary process known as Kundalini awakening can be
joyous or harrowing to those undergoing it. Many esoteric philosophies
suggest ignoring all psychic and physical phenomena and staying focused on
the goal: enlightenment and self-realization. This list community views the
destination as being ultimately in the hands of Spirit, and focuses instead
on sharing thoughts on the beauty and discomforts along the journey. The
destination is universal, the paths to It are individual: religous
intolerance and prosetlyzing are discouraged. Here awakened travellers of
all paths may meet in harmony to share tales of thier adventures, and to
assist fellow travelers who may be encountering difficulties along the way.
The joy is in the journey.
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Date: 27 Apr 98 15:13:03 +0000
From: Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: love
Message-Id: <35449E5A.MD-0.196.paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
Hi folks.
Last night I had a very nice dream unlike any I've ever had before,
and believe me I've had thousands of them.
Before going to bed last night I was on the web browsing around and
decided to find some pictures of naked men. I got hold of quite a few
and also a couple of stories. I then looked through the pictures
off-line but started to get bored of them and not tempted by them. I
kept perceiving the lack of awareness involved in these people's
personalities that I could see were like `lessons' they needed to
learn. Then I thought I'd read one of the stories and it was about
this boy who was roped in to having sex with these blokes. Almost all
the way through he didn't enjoy it right till the end. I thought it
was a sick and unjust story and I didn't allow it to make me do
anything sexual. I didn't let it make me have `sex for sex's sake'. So
I just went to bed and had a dream.
In the dream... I had arrived at what seemed to be the local community
center memorial hall. I made my way to a seat along with several
hundred others as you would for a school assembly. At first I was
going to forfit my seat and sit on the floor, I didn't mind if someone
else wanted to sit on a seat as I felt they were worthy of it (and
that I wasn't). But then somebody moved over so I sat down properly. I
was then at the very back left corner of all the people, the teachers
were up at the front and along the sides like they would usually be.
Behing me was a set of tables like would be there if it were being
used as the dinner hall, and around those tables were a lot of not
very nice people - who would comment on a lot of things. I seemed to
have started to dribble from my mouth and a long strand of saliva was
hanging from my mouth. I tried to catch it with a finger and to break
its connection but it was one of those persistant ones that won't stop
stretching.
Then from behind me a girl, someone I know from the past called Laura,
stood up and shouted out "Paul West has got a really big bogey coming
out of his nose". I was embarassed. I looked at the saliva and
affirmed that it was stringy and that it looked like a bit of string,
and sure enough it did, and I was convinced it was only a strand of
cotton. I shouted over to her that it was only a piece of cotton. She
came marching over to prove me wrong and put it between her teeth and
found that it was indeed only cotton, exclaiming "It really /is/
cotton". She went back to her seat. In one swift, abrupt motion,
almost enraged, I flung my chair backwards and stood up tall and
straight. I waltzed over to where these tables were and where this
girl was. The entire hall full of people were watching and listening.
My body posture changed to that of someone standing up for themself -
shoulders pinned back and arms a little distance from the sides as
would perhaps a bodybuilder, heart totally exposed and eyebrows
raised. I said out loud so that everyone could hear "Now I think you
should apologise to all these people for what you just said to me".
Everyone started cheering and clapping the likes of which I've never
heard before. I felt nervous because I was standing up in a place full
of people and the attention was on me alone, but I was determined. I
absolutely demanded it with all my soul and stood there waiting,
demanding respect. She found it hard to apologise but she finally said
"I'm sorry". I could see it was really hard for her to say it.
I turned around, satisfied, and suddenly burst into a huge smile.
Everyone was clapping and cheering like a standing ovation. One man,
who was called Mr Chapman who I thought was an upstanding and
self-confident bloke, said to me "Good for you!", and as I got closer
to my seat he said "I just knew that God had something for you to do".
The words "in life" could be appended to the end of that but were not
spoken. In an instant I saw that there was nothing he could be
referring to and the only thing left was my loving myself, and I knew
this was the only thing God wanted me to do - not to have a certain
job or to be a success or any of that, simply to love myself. I sat
down and had a huge genuine smile on my face and I really felt happy
and I didn't feel ashamed to be smiling and everyone was
congratulating me. It was brilliant. I woke up and the smile had
carried over to the waking world. :-))
Last night before I went to sleep, when I was getting undressed, I
felt strangely whole, complete, that I had all my limbs and that they
were meant to be there. I suppose I must have previously been
experiencing myself with a lot of suppression and seperation.
For those of you not familiar with dream symbolism you need not worry
because this was one of the most clear and unsymbolic dreams of my
life. There was nothing strange about the reality, it was completely
stable, and that Mr Chapman bloke /knew/ me. The girl who was
insensitive towards me and the others who sat on the `back benches'
were my mental censors, the ego that comments and interferes. I stood
up to it just as I did last night when I felt the injustice of what
I was reading and viewing. It was like being in heaven, that dream.
THe joy of it, the sheer joy of the glory of love. I feel I accept
myself today. :)
I've never really stood up to anyone in my life.
--
Paul.
Date: 27 Apr 98 01:54:12 +0000
From: Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Stuff
Message-Id: <3543E544.MD-0.196.paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
Hello.
I have been having quite a bit of kundalini activity on the top of my
head since joining this list. I keep getting itches and that `spider'
thing that feels like I have to brush it away. Also sometimes when I
lean forwards it seems to send a lot of tingles to the same area.
I had a strange experience this afternoon. After my recollection of
how the night started to turn into day I was finding myself feeling
that I was taking the day as it came. Then we had a wonderful pink
sunset like I have never seen before and I felt like I was /above/ the
clouds. That's the only way I can describe it. I felt there was light
above the cloud and that the cloud was not a barrier (often a
perception of mine when its gloomy). I felt like I was looking down
from really high up.
I have also been looking at my mental attitude towards two different
pot plants today. I have one which was dying and I was concerned about
it and now it is more than twice as big. But then there's this other
plant which isn't doing so well and when I see this I find it hard to
get past the image of it dying to feel a genuine concern for it. I
have been wondeing if my mental attitude towards it might be making it
die, or contributing at least, especially given that the plants I am
able to find a love for seem to flourish. I seem to be questioning my
influences a lot lately since I started in this list. I never looked
at a whole load of things before coming here.
You people have been tolerant and kind and considerate and helpful and
I would like to extend thanks to everyone and I hope you are all
feeling fine.
--
Paul.
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 07:25:28 -0700
From: freda <fredaATnospamblarg.net>
To: "keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu" <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: kundalini-l (was RE: unsuscribe)
Message-ID: <35449558.399CATnospamblarg.net>
Dear List Members,
Here comes that string of "off topic" posting again......
What exactly IS appropriate?
each time the "off topic" issue comes up I go back and re-read the intro
to the list, and I still am confused...not by the intro...but by the
conversations of the members themselves...It seems to me that nobody is
in agreement about what is and isn't K in the first place....
Many things that get discussed I have no intrest in, innitally I read
them and if a string is started which does not hold my intrest I will
delete them as they come in, assuming it is relevent to the subscriber
who wrote it....and the subscribers who respond.
If indeedy there are "real" k-ites out there who are leaving because the
rest of us doo-doo heads aren't discussing "real" K issues then perhaps
they could post some "real" K stuff to give us an example of what that
is..."real" K.
thanks
freda
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 15:32:13 +0100
From: Richard Wentk <richardATnospamskydancer.com>
To: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: kundalini-l (was RE: unsuscribe)
Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980427153136.00931a40ATnospammail.which.net>
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At 08:31 27/04/98 EDT, Afperry wrote:
>
>In a message dated 27/4/98 2:47:17 am, you wrote:
>
>>Whenever I get in side discussions I hear recurrently that people are
>>disappointed at the amount of chatting volume - but whenever the question
>>is raised at large people tend to be afraid to raise a fuss but as a vote
>>of one I feel that the signal to noise ratio of the list is way out of
>>hand.
>>Kurt
>
>I agree entirely and was considering unsubscribing as a result. Too much
>quantity overall; we need to focus much more on K related matters and reduce
>the bulk.
Gets my vote too.
I think there's waaaaaaay too much wibble on this list, and not enough hard
content.
This is the only list I'm on where I've killfiled more than a third of the
regular contributors!
I've also been thinking of unsubbing, but the good posts are so good that
it would be a shame. :(
R.
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