1998/04/23 13:06
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #324
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 324
Today's Topics:
Re: curious [ John Heaton <CttlemanATnospampsbnewton.com ]
Re: Power! [ John Heaton <CttlemanATnospampsbnewton.com ]
MEDITATION TODAY! [ "Roberto Gonzales del Valle" <93035 ]
Oneness [ Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co ]
Meditation [ "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon. ]
Re: Meditation [ Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> ]
Revelling [ Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co ]
Revelling [ melintonATnospamalison.sbc.edu ]
Re: Revelling [ Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> ]
mojo? [ "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.or ]
Re: gets more curious [ Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Revelling [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ]
Paul's Post on Control [ Briony123 <Briony123ATnospamaol.com> ]
On similar wavelength [ Briony123 <Briony123ATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Paul's Post on Control [ "CL" <cwloATnospammoon.jic.com> ]
No traits for n-lit-n-mint exist [ Briony123 <Briony123ATnospamaol.com> ]
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:50:25 -0500
From: John Heaton <CttlemanATnospampsbnewton.com>
To: Dan Margolis <margolisATnospamtransbay.net>
CC: Kundalini Mailing List <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: curious
Message-ID: <353F6341.237ATnospampsbnewton.com>
Dan Margolis wrote:
>
> > John:
> > Yikes! Guess we can put them on the same bus with the niggers, gooks,
> > spics, waps, chinks, whatever and give them all a one way ticket to
> > hell. Certaintly would make live easier for us more sensible folk.
> >
> > P.S. I thought we were all already enrolled in the demystical school of
> > practical enlightenment....seems 101 is a tough course to pass!
> >
> > Dazed and confused, holstering my flamethrower.....(sorry Dan)
>
> Nope keep that flamethrower out it's useful sometimes... I admit I just
> expressed an opinion as opposed to a true idea... Of course I'm not prejudiced,
> some of my best friends carry crystals....
>
> Let me try to express the same idea without the prejudice... A practical school
> in the sense of an intellectual, staid, grounding school of enlightenment would
> be very useful for people that have avoided developing their intellectual
> understanding of the world. Intellectual inquiry if properly done leads to
> outstanding insights. However, if a person's only way of interacting with life
> is intellectual inquiry a practical school of enlightenment will not help them
> instead it will re-enforce bad habits. Rational thought is a useful trick, just
> don't make it a habit.
>
> Dan M.
John: Well, when you put it that way...*S*...
First of all, thank you for a calm response (and fast!) to my emotional
reaction. (after sending it, I took my coffee out on the porch and lay
in the sun with my houndettes and pondered my irksome habit of swatting
at flies with a twenty pound hammer...)
Secondly, I agree. Trying to find that middle ground myself. Those
shades of grey between black and white hold many beautiful colors...
Have a great day. :-)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 11:21:24 -0500
From: John Heaton <CttlemanATnospampsbnewton.com>
To: Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Power!
Message-ID: <353F6A3D.6B6EATnospampsbnewton.com>
Paul West wrote:
> There were times when I was at work in past months where perhaps
> things had quietened down a bit, fellow employees might not be
> involved with me but instead deep in conversation with someone else
> down the other end of the store. I would stand there and look and just
> see them, just watching, just observing without trying to find out
> what they were doing, just looking at the person and only at the
> person like they were the only thing in existence. And on one or two
> occasions I'm pretty sure I saw something very selfless and christlike
> in those people. I quite like to just watch things without having to
> interact or mess with it.
John: I 'spose that is what is meant by detachment. A worthwhile state
to be in *while* interacting.
(and a great way to avoid flaming fellow posters...)
Watching myself...
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 11:44:32 -0500
From: "Roberto Gonzales del Valle" <930359ATnospamaloe.ulima.edu.pe>
To: "Kundalini List" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: MEDITATION TODAY!
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It is hours away
Let´s send out love all together
Let`s pray for peace and tolerance
and for the healing of ecologic unbalances
This is for us and for the children
Let´s ask for no one trying to take over
Let´s ask for their big egos to give up and chose real life
For healing, laughing and showing the love we all have inside.
For all who need healing, the people in pain and the people recovering.
For the ones who plan to take over the world, to melt their hearts and bring
out the light that never goes out.
It is a day we have dreamt of for generations.
Please pass it over, tell everyone, be strong and send awareness out there.
It takes one small bulb to lighten up a big room!
6.30 pm eastern time (Miami) for the time on your city you can go to:
http://www.mich.com/~timezone/
I will fwrd you an e-mail sent by Angelique a while ago. It is important
>that we all remember this so I will send it again to the list aswell.
Here it goes:
Sent by Mystress:
>
>So I ask you all, why are we on this planet? What are we gathered her,
>for?
> Usually I am one to scorn things that say "please pass this on as widely
>as possible", but this message, is what the internet and international
>instantaneous connectivity was shaped to do. This work, I feel, is the
>purpose of the technology we have wrought. Dearly Beloveds, we are gathered
>here today.. to pull in the light, and give it to the planet. With all of
>the limitless power of unconditional love that is inside of us. Blessed be.
>Mystress.
>
>
>
>>Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 12:34:23 +0900
>>From: Peter Stewart <pistewATnospampo.ytnet.or.jp>
>>
>>Hello All,
>>
>>I recieved this today. Pass it around to your friends and lists and
>>everyone you know.
>>
>>Love
>>Peter
>>Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (198.81.17.33) by ytnet.or.jp
>> with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1.1); Sat, 28 Mar 1998 08:56:41
>+0900
>>Received: from OwlWoman33ATnospamaol.com
>> by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id TCUCa01114;
>> Fri, 27 Mar 1998 18:45:31 -0500 (EST)
>>From: OwlWoman33 <OwlWoman33ATnospamaol.com>
>>Message-ID: <78f7d9d4.351c3a1eATnospamaol.com>
>>Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 18:45:31 EST
>>
>>Subject: Press Release: The Great Experiment
>>
>>X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84
>>To: pistewATnospampo.ytnet.or.jp
>>
>> Join
>> James Twyman, Doreen Virtue
>> & Gregg Braden
>> In
>>
>><A HREF="http://www.peaceseeds.com">The Great Experiment</A>
>>
>>Join us in what could be a decisive moment in the evolution of humanity.
>Tell
>>everyone you know, and mark your calender to participate in the
>largest, most
>>focused, meditation in the history of the world.
>>
>>Here's the Question:
>>
>>Can millions of people, focusing their minds on inner and world peace,
>heal
>>the world in an instant? Can we, through scientific and quantifiable
>means,
>>prove that we are indeed the creators of the world we perceive, and
>that by
>>changing our perception, the world itself changes?
>>
>>This is "The Great Experiment." It's time we prove scientifically what
>the
>>saints and sages have always told us — that we are powerful spiritual
>beings
>>with the ability to create a world based on the laws of love,
>instead of the
>>rules of fear. With the help of scientists, we are about
>to put an end to
>>doubt forever.
>>
>>How this experiment began:
>>
>>Two months ago, <A HREF="mailto:JimmyATnospampeaceseeds.com">
>>James Twyman</A>, author of the bestselling book, "Emissary of Light,"
>was
>>invited by the government of Iraq to perform his "Peace concert" in
>Baghdad.
>>The situation seemed desparate — war seemed almost inevitable and
>diplomatic
>>efforts seemed to have failed.
>>
>>"I was being used by the Iraqi government," Twyman said. "But we had the
>same
>>goal: to avoid this terrible war. I was given permission to sign the
>Muslim
>>prayer for peace to Saddam Hussein and I wanted the world to join
>us in this
>>prayer. Hundreds of thousands of people over the world
>participated, and when
>>it was complete, I felt a profound shift in the
>energy of that whole region.
>>Three days later, a peace agreement was
>signing, something which seemed
>>impossible before the prayer vigil began."
>>
>>But The Story Continues . . .
>>
>> "A week later, I was invited by the government of Northern Ireland to
>sing at
>>Stormout Castle in Belfast — the building where the peace talks
>were being
>>held. For days, bombs were exploding all around that area.
>Many people were
>>trying to interrupt the peace process and it seemed like
>the talks might fall
>>apart. Once again, thousands around the world joined
>us in prayer, and three
>>days later there was a breakthrough in the talks.
>A peace agreement in May
>>now seems inevitable."
>>
>>The evidence is there — we do have the power within us to change the
world.
>>Gregg Braden and Doreen Virtue met with James Twyman at a
>Universal
>>Lightworker's Conference recently, and the three of them KNEW
>that they were
>>supposed to conduct this global meditation project. Doreen
>told them about
>>recent scientific studies supporting the experiment's basis.
>>
>>Princeton scientist, Dr. Roger Nelson, has measured the
>statistically
>>significant effect that focused meditations and events have
>upon the earth's
>>energy field. Dr. Nelson has measured these effects
>during the GaiaMind
>>Meditation and during Princess Diana's funeral. His
>studies show that the
>>greatest effects occur when groups synchronize their
>focus.
>>
>>After James heard about these Princeton studies, he received Divine
>guidance
>>from Holy Spirit and Teacher, who is an ascended Emissary of
>Light, about this
>>global mediation. During "The Great Experiment," we
>will meditate upon
>>specific affirmations in unison to achieve the power of
>a singular group
>>focus.
>>
>>
>>
>>NOW IT IS TIME TO PUT INTO PRACTICE
>>WHAT WE ALREADY KNOW TO BE TRUE:
>>"If enough people join their minds and hearts for peace, we can heal
>the
>>world."
>>
>>
>>"The Great Experiment"
>>will take place on April 23rd at 6:30 PM Eastern Time
>>This is 12:30 am GMT
>>
>>James Twyman has been invited to sing the peace prayers from the twelve
>major
>>religions at the United Nations building in New York on April 23rd.
>This
>>presents an unparalleled opportunity for us all. Dr. Doreen Virtue,
>best-
>>selling author of The Lightworker's Way, and Gregg Braden, geologist
>and
>>author of Awaken to Zero Point," join James in conducting this
>incredible
>>experiment. Gregg will be in Lhasa, Tibet and Doreen will be
>in California
>>during the great experiment. Authors, entertainers, and
>other celebrities,
>>will participate by sharing their vision of "a world
>transformed by love."
>>
>>Here's how you can participate:
>>
>>1. Tell everyone you know. Pass this letter to everyone on your mailing
>list
>>so that everyone can participate. Feel free to print this out and
>make copies.
>>The goal is to get as many people focused on this meditation.
>>
>>2. Begin preparing your spirit and mind for the event by spending a
>few
>>moments in silence everyday. This will help build the energy. You
>can also
>>access our webpage at <A
>HREF="http://www.peaceseeds.com">www.Peaceseeds.com
>></A> for updates,
>articles by James, Doreen, and Gregg, and notices from other
>>authors and
>celebrities.
>>
>>3. Join at least one other person for the vigil on April 23rd. This is
>an
>>experience to share. "Where two or more are gathered." We are forming
>many
>>online meditation groups in chat rooms and IRC channels around the
>globe.
>>Again, check with the website for more details.
>>
>>
>>The Format of the Meditation:
>>
>> We are asking everyone to follow this simple format during the
>meditation.
>>As scientific studies at Princeton University show, the more
>focused a group
>>meditation or event is, the stronger the effect.
>>
>>1. Opening:
>>
>> Begin with this affirmation, said with great power and committment:
>>
>>I am an Emissary of Light.
>>I extend this Light to all beings, in compassion and love,
>>knowing that they are one within me.
>>this moment the world is healed —
>>and I along with it.
>>I will it — and it is so.
>>
>>2. Then spend five minutes creating a sound (such as "Aum") to carry
>the
>>spiritual energy and vibration. This can be done with a single tone
>or by
>>singing a song such as "Amazing Grace."
>>
>>3. Spend five minutes in silence allowing your spirit to receive the
>light
>>and love which you yourself extended to the world.
>>
>>4. End with this prayer:
>> It is done!
>> I am one with all — and all is healed.
>> Let love reign where fear once was.
>> I accept this for myself and for the world.
>> I am an Emissary of Light now and always.
>> - Amen
>>
>>Then, with reverence, bow your head and thank God for this grand
>opportunity.
>>The universe gives thanks to you for being part of this great
>experiment.
>>
>>For more information, please contact the Internet website at <A
>HREF="">
>>http://www.peaceseeds.com.</A>
>>
>>----------------
>>For background information :
>>----------------
>>
>><A
HREF="http://www.emissaryoflight.com">http://www.emissaryoflight.com</A>
>> -The website for James F. Twyman's best-selling book,
>EmissaryOfLight
>>
>><A
>HREF="http://www.princeton.edu/~rdnelson/index.html">
>>http://www.princeton.
>edu/~rdnelson/index.html</A>
>> - The website for R.D. Nelson, the scientist conducting this
>experiment
>>
>>------------------
>>To request a Press Kit
>>------------------
>>
>><A HREF="mailto:webmasterATnospampeaceseeds.com">
>>webmasterATnospampeaceseeds.com</A>
>>
>>Thank you for your time
>>
>>Give Peace Another Chance
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> Mystress Angelique Serpent,
>Dominant Experiential Facilitator.
> Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent
> :D ;) :0 :) ;P :0 ;) :D :0 :) ;P :0 ;) :)
> I would rather live in a world where my life is surrounded by mystery
> than live in a world so small that my mind could comprehend it.
> -- Harry Emerson Fosdick
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Officially the most beautiful city in the world
>
Remember 6.30 pm eastern time (Miami) for the time on your city you can go
to:
http://www.mich.com/~timezone/
they´ve got covered almost every city in the world...
And we can too!
Love
Roberto
Lima, Peru
Date: 23 Apr 98 17:26:47 +0000
From: Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Oneness
Message-Id: <353F79D7.MD-0.196.paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
Hello.
I have been and am experiencing a higher than usual sense of oneness.
I have been seeing parts of people that I didn't know were there, like
fascial features which were hidden in amongst the bits I used to
choose to focus on. It seems I am more able to look at what I used to
call uglyness and it's surprising, because regardless of wether you
could describe it as ugly or not it looks complete, that it is meant
to be that way, and I can handle it.
I noticed as I listened to my mother on the telephone that I could
/feel/ she had love in her, that I could hear it in her voice, and she
almost sounded like a different person to what I am used to. And my
sister was talking to my mother in what seemed to be an unusually
mature fashion. It's as though people have become more spiritual
overnight.
And the strange thing is that I have a feeling that I am the source or
cause of this change, that I am the influence that is having this
effect. It's as though somehow I am at the root of what makes these
people what they are. I feel like I have more power to change things,
that asserting who I am into the world is making it change, making it
more handleable, that I can see parts which I couldn't see before but
which make the picture more complete.
What is this power to change? What is this ability to transform the
appearance of others and thus, I presume, the way they really are? And
what's that illusion doing there saying that things are seperate?
--
Paul.
Date: 23 Apr 98 18:46:23 +0000
From: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Meditation
Message-Id: <353F8C7F.MD-0.196.paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
Hello.
This kundalini list is fast becoming the most important list I'm
connected to. It has me thinking all sorts of new thoughts and
approaching things from different angles.
This afternoon I found myself confronted with something I can only
refer to as meditation. I was starting to realise that maybe after all
I am actually very idealistic and that it was my /concentration/ and
effort that was making me unhappy. I got to wondering what it would be
like to not concentrate, as I looked out of my window at the world. I
figured that concentration was a form of exclusion, denying something
so that you can focus in on something else. So I tried not to deny any
bits, tried not to have opinions about individual aspects of what I
was looking at, tried not to make observations such as that a bird was
moving a certain way or that things were a certain colour. It didn't
take me long to realise just the extent to which I am narrow minded
and unwholistic - two things I had always believed I wasn't. And it
has ignited in me kind of a knowing, an agreement, that I /need/ to
meditate or be more meditative. I feel that I need to be more
disciplined. I seem to have no integrity.
Thankyou for helping bring this to my attention.
--
Paul.
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 14:13:15 EDT
From: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
To: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Meditation
Message-ID: <442bb06f.353f84bdATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 4/23/1998, 1:48:57 PM, paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk writes:
<< I feel that I need to be more
disciplined. I seem to have no integrity.
>>
Harsha: Yes. Find the Source of the "I" that needs more discipline. If that
is done with intensity, all other discipline can be dispensed with.
Date: 23 Apr 98 19:30:25 +0000
From: Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Revelling
Message-Id: <353F96D1.MD-0.196.paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
Hello.
I think I have just had/am having a revelation. It's not me, it's not
my fault, I am not the one that is wrong. I am not the one who doesn't
understand or is not wise. People are asleep. They are shutting me
out, shutting out oneness, and that is all that is offending me. A
/reality/ of being one, makes the mind look so confused. Thinking is
so narrow-minded, controlled, restrained, ambitious, goal-oriented. I
can't handle people being seperate people in seperate bodies. It's not
right. I am aware, paintfully aware, mentally intimate, of people's
sleepyness. It's almost too much to bear and that makes me sad,
thinking I am wrong. But I am not wrong. I can change reality. I am in
control. I have the choice. The world is going to wake up to something
I have always known about. It must. It simply must. It will. I have to
start asserting myself, making a change, altering the world. Because I
can and I will because I am not wrong.
!!!!!
--
Paul.
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:11:00 -0400
From: melintonATnospamalison.sbc.edu
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Revelling
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Paul wrote:
>I think I have just had/am having a revelation. It's not me, it's not
>my fault, I am not the one that is wrong. I am not the one who doesn't
>understand or is not wise. People are asleep. They are shutting me
>out, shutting out oneness, and that is all that is offending me. A
>/reality/ of being one, makes the mind look so confused. Thinking is
>so narrow-minded, controlled, restrained, ambitious, goal-oriented. I
>can't handle people being seperate people in seperate bodies. It's not
>right. I am aware, paintfully aware, mentally intimate, of people's
>sleepyness. It's almost too much to bear and that makes me sad,
>thinking I am wrong. But I am not wrong. I can change reality. I am in
>control. I have the choice. The world is going to wake up to something
>I have always known about. It must. It simply must. It will. I have to
>start asserting myself, making a change, altering the world. Because I
>can and I will because I am not wrong.
Controll yourself and you control everything around you.
--Signalfire
The web site you seek
cannot be located but
endless others exist
---- Joy Rothke from Haiku
Error Message competition at Salon
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:17:34 EDT
From: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
To: melintonATnospamalison.sbc.edu, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Revelling
Message-ID: <488b3304.353f93cfATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 4/23/1998 12:14:02 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
melintonATnospamalison.sbc.edu writes:
<< Controll yourself and you control everything around you.
--Signalfire >>
Harsha: First find out who You really and truly are. Then there will be no
need to control yourself or anything around you!
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 14:23:36 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: mojo?
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980423141940.28766A-100000ATnospamwinc0>
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kojo
cojo
coco!
Chocolate!
stuff of magical
evening
fireplace
steal-all-the-marshmallows-in-the-can.
giggle laugh...
shiver (its cold outside)
thismorningireadofamanwho
injectedhissonwithaidesso
hedidnothavetopaychild
support....
howlonguntilwelearntobekind??
steam swirls slowly,
ringing head chimes of
thought as it rises.
willanynoticethesalty
taste...ohthatsjust
my
tears....
--janpa tsomo
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:34:37 EDT
From: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
To: shawebbATnospamyhc.edu, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: gets more curious
Message-ID: <73953f8b.353f97ceATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 4/23/1998 5:39:50 AM Pacific Daylight Time, shawebbATnospamyhc.edu
writes:
<< Sen Ashanka wrote:
>>A: An enlightened person simply behaves the way he/she likes to
behave, irrespective of anything else.
>>Susan:So do sociopaths. Maybe there is not any difference. Sociopaths are
a
law unto themselves...have no conscience.
Sharon: Another attack. You know the truth lies within, Susan; you even said
so.
You know where the answers to all these questions of yours lie. So what is
the subtext to all these posts? What is the agenda? What is so threatening
to you? What are you defending?
I'm curious, too.
Love,
Sharon
>>
Harsha: I think Susan's reply was based on simple common sense. Common sense
and rational thinking sometimes strike us as radical! We are not used to
people asking the "obvious questions."
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:47:18 -0400
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Revelling
Message-ID: <353F9AC6.5F373CAAATnospammail.snet.net>
Paul West wrote:
> I think I have just had/am having a revelation.
Or perhaps delusion?
> It's not me, it's not my fault, I am not the one that is wrong. I am not
> the one who doesn't
> understand or is not wise. People are asleep.
People are reflections of Us.
> I can't handle people being seperate people in seperate bodies. It's not
>
> right.
Look through the illusion in the tender balance of Silence.
> It's almost too much to bear and that makes me sad,
You don't know why you're sad. It's beyond your comprehension.
> I can change reality.
It can be remembered.
> I am in control. I have the choice.
Love or fear?
> The world is going to wake up to something
> I have always known about. It must. It simply must. It will. I have to
> start asserting myself, making a change, altering the world. Because I
> can and I will because I am not wrong.
The space you imagine between the world and Us is madness...
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:55:06 EDT
From: Briony123 <Briony123ATnospamaol.com>
To: Kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Paul's Post on Control
Message-ID: <8260678f.353f9c9bATnospamaol.com>
Paul Wrote:
But I am not wrong. I can change reality. I am in control.
Actually, this sentiment, although incredibly empowering, can lead to problems
for a soul if held too tightly....I can speak from personal experience here!
Working through the whole Right/Wrong way of thinking is so tough...my heart
goes out to Paul, and I wish him all the strength he needs to persevere....
In my experience, Kundalini awakening occurs in stages, and Paul seems right
on schedule with his struggle.
Hope he keeps posting,
Trystan
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 16:00:14 EDT
From: Briony123 <Briony123ATnospamaol.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: On similar wavelength
Message-ID: <85fcf191.353f9dd0ATnospamaol.com>
Paul:
I read your post and felt I knew exactly what you mean....about seeing all
this transformative spiritual changes and feeling as if it's all
connected...and that you are playing a catalytic role.....
I paraphrased your words.....but I think I'm being fair......and I am feeling
very much the same here in my little micro/macrocosm....I keep getting this
mental image of concentric rings of water rippling out.....all located in
different locations, but all echoes of each other......
I want to avoid the ego trap I fear I'm setting for myself if I concede I may
be the drop......I think/hope that I'm not.......rather......I suspect more
strongly that this experience is about experiencing synchronicity with the
underlying patterns that fuel the universe..... You know, the whole idea that
"what is within is what is without" kind of thinking...And I'm just riding one
of the waves......trying to be as aware as I can...
On the other hand.....the awareness itself does create a sense of
responsibility...to move in harmony with it....so I am making decisions,
influencing some of the people around me as much as I can, and seeing changes
in their lives.....and vice versa....people are influencing me, and helping
make healing changes in my life as well...from whatever point on whatever wave
they're riding .....
I hope my words make as much sense to you as yours did to me....
Paul.....I enjoyed your post very much.....I hope I hear from you again...I
am still figuring out how this network mail works....will this letter really
be sent to 400 other people???
If yes, then, WOW!!! What a wave!!!
Chuckle,
trystan
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 16:05:18 -0400
From: "CL" <cwloATnospammoon.jic.com>
To: "Briony123" <Briony123ATnospamaol.com>, <Kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Paul's Post on Control
Message-ID: <007001bd6ef3$2422a340$0cc19ed0ATnospamcwl.jic.com>
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>Paul Wrote:
>
>But I am not wrong. I can change reality. I am in control.
>
>Actually, this sentiment, although incredibly empowering, can lead to
problems
>for a soul if held too tightly....I can speak from personal experience
here!
Trystan,
Your mention of "too tightly". Do you mean having a set expectation, rather
than clearly visualizing what you want, and then letting go? What sort of
problems did you experience?
Also, what do you mean by the right/wrong way of thinking. I guess that is
the inherent problem with thinking i.e duality, rather than doing. Do you
mean all of the different ideas of how one should be/think, that a person
goes through on a spiritual path? (the relinquishment of ego mind). I sure
have had a few!
Chris
>
>Working through the whole Right/Wrong way of thinking is so tough...my
heart
>goes out to Paul, and I wish him all the strength he needs to persevere....
>
>In my experience, Kundalini awakening occurs in stages, and Paul seems
right
>on schedule with his struggle.
>
>Hope he keeps posting,
>
>Trystan
>
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 16:05:08 EDT
From: Briony123 <Briony123ATnospamaol.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: No traits for n-lit-n-mint exist
Message-ID: <b121ff93.353f9ef6ATnospamaol.com>
Ashanka wrote:
There is nothing in recognising the traits of an "enligtened
person". If there were traits, then simply emulating those
traits would make you enlightened.
I feel inclined to accept this statement at face value...... I too believe
there is "nothing" when it comes to creating an identity about personal
enlightenment...
When Ashanka writes IF there were traits, we could be enlightened through mere
mimicry, I think this teacher is trying to point out the problem inherent in
trying to define enlightenment...
I am enjoying the zillions of letters I'm getting to peek at through this
network, although their sheer volume was surprising!!! I have noticed some
folks are publishing what appears to be written dialogues.....how is this
possible without a chat room??? Are folks using E-Mail or flash messaging for
this???
Thanks,
trystan
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