1998/04/20 09:38
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #310
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 310
Today's Topics:
Power of words [ Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospambryant.edu> ]
to tg (sorry group) [ melintonATnospamalison.sbc.edu ]
Re: Help [ John Halonen <mtmindATnospamusa.net> ]
Re: IS-NESS-Taking non-duality serio [ Jerry Katz <umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca> ]
Re: symptoms [ anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities. ]
Re: Power of words [ Jerry Katz <umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca> ]
Re: curious [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ]
Re: Introduction to me [ onarresATnospaminreach.com ]
Re: Power of words [ Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospambryant.edu> ]
Re: HRTZEN: waiting on a friend [ Vandyke T SSgt 355MSS/DPMPE <vandyk ]
RE: curious [ kyira_korriganATnospamdynapro.com (Kyira K ]
Re: Bozzi signs off [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ]
Re: Introduction to me [ PEGLUMPKIN <PEGLUMPKINATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #307 [ tompatterson28ATnospamjuno.com (Tom Patter ]
The image of kundalini [ Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co ]
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 10:03:41 -0400
From: Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospambryant.edu>
To: umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca
CC: sandeepcATnospambom3.vsnl.net.in, Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Power of words
Message-ID: <353B55BD.977E508FATnospambryant.edu>
Jerry Katz wrote:
> Harsha:
> > There is no magic in
> > using particular words or using words in a particular way. The Magic is the
> > is-ness which we call the Self.
>
> Jerry:
> Magic pertains to exertion of influence, therefore, duality. So there IS
> magic in using words in particular ways. But magic is not IS-ness or
> suchness or Self, unless one is already resident within the Self, in
> which case there is only the Self.
>
Harsha: There is no exertion in Self Recognition. Words do occur in the domain of
relative consciousness. In this arena, the same words used by different people have
different energies behind them and therefore exert different influences. This is why
sometimes we say "Your words are wise but empty." Therefore, the magic is not in
words or in the particular way they are used, but the force of truth behind them. I
have heard people "repeat" words of "others". Wise words which are borrowed and not
based on One's Own Knowledge may impress the intellectuals but can have no effect on
the Spiritual Personality. Yet even simple words when they come from the heart have a
great impact. I leave it up to you to decide if magic is in the words and the
particular way they are used or in the source of words.
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 10:12:34 -0400
From: melintonATnospamalison.sbc.edu
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: to tg (sorry group)
Message-Id: <l03130304b1610752471bATnospam[198.28.38.107]>
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Sorry to post to group!--for tg
Hi tg--
i was too fast on the delete key and dumped your email address. Ooops!
anyway, here is my b. time as promised:
6:48 pm (i did mix am & pm in addition to being way off!)
i'd love to hear more on your findings! ---Liz
--Signalfire
The web site you seek
cannot be located but
endless others exist
---- Joy Rothke from Haiku
Error Message competition at Salon
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 15:57:28 -0400
From: John Halonen <mtmindATnospamusa.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Help
Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980420155727.00691868ATnospampop.flash.net>
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Hello,
I have experienced some pretty low lows. Fortunetly I have had friends
who pulled me through. Life is full of love waiting to be accepted.
Accept ours if you wish. Being around people full of love and acceptance
can bring you through alot.
Blessings,
John Halonen
><< Hello My name is Kristin,
> I am trying to change from being sad and low. Please send me support in
> prayers or in other ways. I wish to change but need your help. Please help
>me.
> Kristin >>
>
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 11:37:45 -0700
From: Jerry Katz <umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca>
To: hlutharATnospambryant.edu
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: IS-NESS-Taking non-duality seriously
Message-ID: <353B95F8.5806ATnospamns.sympatico.ca>
> > Dear Harsha:
> >
> > I mailed two versions of Re: IS-NESS. In one version the paragraph
> > quoted above was deleted. My intent was to mail only the version with
> > the deletion. But email is so alive it got loose on me. I stand by the
> > deletion. Do not think of the paragraph above!
> >
> > Always,
> > Jerry
> Harsha: Now you have me really laughing brother Jerry. You want to somehow
> escape (from your own words!:--). But in doing so, make sure you are not
> trying to escape from your Own Self. Sorry brother Jerry. No Escape. Be happy!
I hate email. I hate the computer. I hate everybody I ever met. I hate
everybody and everything. It's just not fair.
Love,
Jerry
P.S. Okay, now that I've calmed down... I do not take seriously
nondualism or any other "way" of relating to reality. One cannot relate
to reality. One cannot talk about anything. Therefore, I can say
anything I want. Nondualism allows for that. While I don't take it
seriously, nondualism is where I always end up.
It is a good test for anyone. Whatever you know, stop taking it
seriously. If it is still where you end up, it is real knowledge. Take
breathing, for example. Tell yourself you are not going to take it
seriously. Tell people how crazy it is to breathe. Then watch yourself.
It is happening. You are breathing. But you can say whatever you want
about it in order to demonstrate that it is your nature. I take neither
nondualism nor breathing seriously, because they cannot be taken at all.
They are what is.
PPS. I meant to delete the closing where I said "Love". Does that mean I
still have to love you?
__________
nondualism
http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/umbada
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 07:54:17 -0700
From: anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>
To: Susan Carlson <divine_goddessATnospamhotmail.com>
CC: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: symptoms
Message-ID: <353B6199.AEBC087EATnospamgeocities.com>
Indeed there are many. The challenge is to be It and at the same time being
able to
function in the realm of dualities.
As Jesus mentioned: "You are of the world but not of it." will be the way
I would look at it.
Anandajyoti
Susan Carlson wrote:
> >That's enlightenment and after.
> >Anandajyoti
>
> Then,dear one, there are many more enlightened people than has been
> previously thought.
>
> :D Susan
>
> >
> >Susan Carlson wrote:
> >
> >> Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 10:47:14 +0530
> >> From: "Sandeep Chatterjee" <sandeepcATnospambom3.vsnl.net.in>
> >> To: <Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
> >> Subject: Symptoms of Inner Peace
> >>
> >> I love this every time I see it. Its from the Olympic Fellowship of
> >> Reconciliation Newsletter, Issue 63, 1986. I believe they were an
> >> outgrowth from the Course in Miracles.
> >>
> >> Blessings,
> >> Susan
> >>
> >> PS
> >> The end of it goes:
> >>
> >> If you have all or even most of the above symptoms, please be advised
> >> that your condition may be too far advanced to turn back. If you are
> >> exposed to anyone exhibiting several of these symptoms, remain
> exposed
> >> at your own risk. This condition of Inner Peace is likely well into
> its
> >> infectious stage. Be forewarned.
>
> ______________________
> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 12:19:45 -0700
From: Jerry Katz <umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca>
To: hlutharATnospambryant.edu
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Power of words
Message-ID: <353B9FD1.3747ATnospamns.sympatico.ca>
Harsh Luthar wrote:
>
> Jerry Katz wrote:
>
> > Harsha:
> > > There is no magic in
> > > using particular words or using words in a particular way. The Magic is the
> > > is-ness which we call the Self.
> >
> > Jerry:
> > Magic pertains to exertion of influence, therefore, duality. So there IS
> > magic in using words in particular ways. But magic is not IS-ness or
> > suchness or Self, unless one is already resident within the Self, in
> > which case there is only the Self.
> >
>
> Harsha: There is no exertion in Self Recognition. Words do occur in the domain of
> relative consciousness. In this arena, the same words used by different people have
> different energies behind them and therefore exert different influences. This is why
> sometimes we say "Your words are wise but empty." Therefore, the magic is not in
> words or in the particular way they are used, but the force of truth behind them. I
> have heard people "repeat" words of "others". Wise words which are borrowed and not
> based on One's Own Knowledge may impress the intellectuals but can have no effect on
> the Spiritual Personality. Yet even simple words when they come from the heart have a
> great impact. I leave it up to you to decide if magic is in the words and the
> particular way they are used or in the source of words.
I agree and have said the same thing recently, but in a different way,
when I said words of one who knows wraps around a quality of silence
that draws or has an effect on Spiritual Personality, to use your words.
I think it's great that words have an impact or exert a force of truth.
None of that is Truth. I love love, and words that come from the heart.
I need them.
But they only serve as lubricant for the engines that power one into
atmosphere of Truth. I don't want to be where there is magic. Love is
not enough. Only Truth. Wordless. Magicless. Loveless. It is beyond I
AM. The realm Ramana hardly, if ever, spoke of. It is real nondualism,
hardly spoken of on my website. Nisargadatta in his book I Am That
occasionally speaks of real nondualism. I'll excerpt it some day.
(Lordy, sometimes I forget this is the Kundalini list!)
Love,
Jerry
_____
Nondualism
http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/umbada
"The extremely transcendental yields unto me its perfect space -- The
Absolute -- I Am That."
The Wild Song of Standing Free, Ch.3, V.10
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 11:38:44 -0400
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: curious
Message-ID: <353B6C03.8A1AB20DATnospammail.snet.net>
Susan Carlson wrote:
> I am not asking a tree what enlightenment is for I have not heard
> of trees pursuing enlightenment.
Perhaps they know something...
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 08:47:32 -0700
From: onarresATnospaminreach.com
To: Am <heidiATnospamadan.kingston.net>, <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Introduction to me
Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980420084732.006db478ATnospammail.inreach.com>
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At 01:02 AM 4/20/98 -0400, Am wrote:
Paul wrote:
>>Reading a book in bed late one night, relaxed, the entire crown of my
head became >alive with energy which was alike something I've read relating
to kundalini - thousands of massaging fingers.
>
Am responds:
It seems to me that this happened to me years ago because I remember
brushing the sensation away with my hand, thinking that it was a spider or
whatever but since it happened mostly at night. Nowadays, it happens
wherever i am, sometimes in the car as well. I'm writing this as much to
you Paul as also to the list because I must hear >more on this
head-massaging. How many other people have/are experiencing this? am
>
I say:
This has been my experience as well... seems as if a colony of bugs have
moved in... and then it's gone for awhile. Brushing the imaginary spider
away - yep, do it all the time.
Blessings dor
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 11:48:15 -0400
From: Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospambryant.edu>
To: umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Power of words
Message-ID: <353B6E3E.FC44623BATnospambryant.edu>
Harsha: There is no exertion in Self Recognition. Words do occur in the domain of
> relative consciousness. In this arena, the same words used by different people have
> different energies behind them and therefore exert different influences. This is why
> sometimes we say "Your words are wise but empty."
Jerry Katz wrote:
> I think it's great that words have an impact or exert a force of truth.
> None of that is Truth.
Harsha: Words occur in the domain of relative consciousness. When they have the force of
Truth behind them, they indicate or point to The Truth. The Source of the Words is a
critical factor in this indication.
> Jerry: But they only serve as lubricant for the engines that power one into
> atmosphere of Truth. I don't want to be where there is magic.
Harsha: No one stops you! Be where ever you want to be!
> Love is not enough. Only Truth.
Harsha: First Find out what Love Is! Love and Truth are Same Jerry!
> Jerry: Wordless. Magicless. Loveless. It is beyond I
> AM. The realm Ramana hardly, if ever, spoke of.
Harsha: Which brings us to the point that the listener is important too! What can Ramana
do?
> Jerry: It is real nondualism, hardly spoken of on my website. Nisargadatta in his book I
> Am That occasionally speaks of real nondualism.
Harsha: There is no real nondualism Jerry! There is only Reality! But if it is any
consolation, there is fake nondualism! And plenty of it!
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 08:41:00 -0700
From: Vandyke T SSgt 355MSS/DPMPE <vandykeATnospammss355.dm.af.mil>
To: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>, madammumATnospamptialaska.net
Cc: CYBERMINDATnospamLISTSERV.AOL.COM, heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com,
kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: HRTZEN: waiting on a friend
Message-Id: <199804201550.KAA17371ATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Valerie
I feel your pain and confusion. You are not alone in the world.
I'm sorry I have no great worldly or spirtual advice for you. I do know
that God loves you very much and that your daughter needs your love and
strength right now. You will both be in my prayers. Love and Light
Trent.
----------
From: Gloria Greco
To: madammumATnospamptialaska.net
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com; CYBERMINDATnospamLISTSERV.AOL.COM;
heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Subject: Re: HRTZEN: waiting on a friend
Date: Sat, Apr 18, 1998 2:02AM
valerie cooper wrote:
>
> i shouldn't be here.
> i am moving & working two cyber-like jobs, & - God knows - I am
> grateful. I can hardly keep up, but still i grate full...
> i am down on the dock. that is where my computer is, & i am down here
> while my child is sleeping. still, i am grate full.
> i came down here, alone, really - to work - but i cannot concentrate.
> i am already over-burdened; NOW - someone has sexually molested my
> daughter.
GG
Val anyone would be troubled by this, just breathe first and then detach
and pull your thoughts and energies out of it. Life is experience and
nobody has anything happen that isn't in someway going to influence that
life experience. Children are probably mostly playing but that doesn't
mean that it isn't something to check into because it can be something
else happening here. In our foster parent training we went into sexual
abuse a great deal and there is a tremendous problem when children are
stimulated, who knows how this little girl came into this herself. But
your job as mom is to first get yourself under control, then really open
your eyes and understand what is happening and what happened. Without
coming down like fire on anyone at this point, can you determine what
exactly happened. Has your daughter talked to you about it, is this how
you know something happened? And then what exactly happened? This may be
time for you to go into some conversation about not allowing anyone to
touch her private parts, and empowering her to deal with this. I think
children are at risk because they don't understand or know what to do.
When we teach them about life and simply give them instructions on how
to handle situations they can do this quite well. Then not to make a big
deal out of it so that she doesn't, if she needs counseling on this,
which you may also need... then go get help. These are all things that
you need to decide. How serious is it? Would you believe one out of
every 4 girl children in America have or will be sexually abused, I
think it is one out of 8 for boys... this is really amazing, if it has
happened go into it in a way to help lift it off of her and help her to
understand that she didn't do anything bad or wrong. How old is your
daughter?
What work are you doing on the computer? That sounds interesting.
> I don't know who, & she claims forgetfulness, but SOMEONE DID, & i do
> not understand.
> i never date anyone ever, & she has not been alone with anyone in that
> trailer-trash park; except for one little girl, two years older than
> her, whom someone warned me she was caught didddling with their
> daughter's potties.
> i feel like ca-ca. somebody has been touching my daughter
> inappropriately, & all my buttons from being sexually abused myself
are
> all aflame.
> but nobody here cares about that. everybody trying to figger
> "kundalini".
> i hate this shit. children killing children; and - who's to care? some
> perpetuation of sexual abuse - who cares? nobody cares; at least we
> arestill alive to whine...
> what should i say? i am so furious that i should say nothing? just
LOVE
> her unconditionally?
> she's 6 years old.
> i am alone. i don't know what to do.
> vc
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at:
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&
http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/
Hope you enjoy them!
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 09:05:39 -0700
From: kyira_korriganATnospamdynapro.com (Kyira Korrigan - DTI,MF)
To: divine_goddessATnospamhotmail.com (Susan Carlson)
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com (kundalini-l)
Subject: RE: curious
Message-ID: <1998Apr20.090455.1137.351894ATnospammoonshine.dynapro.com>
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Susan says
>> All this talk about what enlightenment is...so what's going to happen
to
>> you once you are it?
>>
>> What's Its purpose? And what's It after That?
Brent says
>According to most sources I read, they say that "being enlightened" is
what
>you really are, underneath layer after layer of illusion and false
belief.
Yes, we are all enlightened...we just forgot. Now we remember...now
what? Do we all turn off the lights and go home?
I've a friend, a very intelligent nuclear physicist, who is working on
tapping into the energy created by increasing the time between quantum
states - hard for me to explain quickly, but I could say that his work
involves manipulating fourth dimensional qualities of Boron (but
theoretically any elemental) ions at their quantum level.
Over the past few months he's sees that his work has come to imply a
definition for consciousness. Consciousness can be found in stable
manipulation of this field - something our mind's do naturally. He's also
found that if these quantum field-waves can be lengthened and then
allowed to collapse there is a (theoretical) random mirroring effect in
other matter across the timeline.
To summarize, he believes he can see an inherent quality to all atoms
which could be equated to consciousness. When he first told me this, I
read into it many parallels with Buddha-mind and the experience of
at-one-ment of enlightenment.
Further studying of his work and some flights of fancy on my side have
led to this idea:
When anyone experiences a transcendental experience (which would be a
change in quantum field qualities of our neural matter followed by a
collapse of the wave-form back to it's "normal" state) there are random
timeline shockwaves in others' minds through the timeline. When one of us
experiences a moment of transcendence/enlightenment and then returns to
daily consciousness, we also trigger these moments in others across the
timeline due to the quantum qualities of time.
It's likely to seem a sci-fi explanation, but I enjoy the depth it adds
to the Boddhisattva vow. By continuing to reincarnate and re-experience
our search for enlightenment in different lifetimes, we are actually
contributing to others enlightenment as well. Our moments of
transcendence trigger others' moments. (I have often had experiences of
what seems to be other peoples' memories or knowledge come to me when in
altered states of consciousness - perhaps there is personality residue?)
Of course, this _still_ doesn't answer why. But, it places the question
in the arena of questions like "Why does the sun work?" It just does - it
is the nature of the sun to be a fusion reactor in space. It is the
nature of matter to be conscious, and the consciousness field will
fluctuate as part of its nature.
-Kyira
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 12:12:52 -0400
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Bozzi signs off
Message-ID: <353B7403.A5358610ATnospammail.snet.net>
Gloria Lee wrote:
> How about "act naturally"...??? Seems to fit your brand of genetic
> programming!!!
Because I'm annoying. It's genetic. My parents were annoying.
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 12:20:33 EDT
From: PEGLUMPKIN <PEGLUMPKINATnospamaol.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Introduction to me
Message-ID: <f906018.353b75d2ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-04-20 01:02:59 EDT, you write:
<< I'm writing this as much to you Paul as also to the list because I must
hear
more on this head-massaging. How many other people have/are experiencing
this?>>
This scalp massage, what I call my "beenie full of ants," was spoken of at the
Kundalini Research Network conference last fall by a presenter named Joan
Harrigan, a Ph. D and a "brahmacarini" or something. She said the phenomenon
was kundalini refining the "vayus" (a good thing). I believe it happens after
the chakras have been refined up to the brow (ajna). Sorry I can't give you
more details at the moment. I purchased her booklet, called Kundalini Vidya,
but it is buried in mid-moving chaos as I try to pack-up my library. I'll be
unsubscribing for awhile to move and then take a vacation in "la belle
france." I'll miss you all.
A bientot,
Peg
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 12:24:28 EDT
From: tompatterson28ATnospamjuno.com (Tom Patterson)
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #307
Message-ID: <19980420.093046.4263.3.tompatterson28ATnospamjuno.com>
Hi all List,
From: Tom Patterson
RE: Enlightenment
I feel this "enlightenment" is as much a process as a state. There are
in my experience many enlightenments each which leaves a transformation
or a "taste" that changes ones universal thought paradigm (ones way of
seeing "life"). And, again in my experience, these enlightenments are
wonderful and real. Then, after the bliss is gone, the experience
leaves one (has left me) more in harmony with the day to day battles of
existence.
I suspect this path of enlightenment is much more personal than what can
be gleaned from books or even "Gurus". Both book accounts and personal
work with teachers can be profitable (and very entertaining) up to a
point in ones struggle along the path, but there comes a point where I
must give up the support and the feedback of the earthly senses, and
exist as a child entity within the created universe and Thou my only
guide. The state of ever new joy....
_____
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Date: 20 Apr 98 17:15:48 +0000
From: Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: The image of kundalini
Message-Id: <353B82C4.MD-0.196.paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
Hello.
I am interested to know if anyone has an image of a being associated
with kundalini activity, particularly in dreams or such like.
For me there was one particular dream involving a `kundalini being'...
I was stood on the edge of a grassy field on which many seemingly
victorian families were having picknics (sp). Most were wearing black.
Then there was some panick and people were rushing round very afraid.
They were all wearing heavy black dresses and with big umberellas and
stuff. There was talk of there being a very dangerous being who was
going around the world `killing' people. There was a brick wall to
which I ran. In front of it was a green car which I used to clamber
up onto the wall, supposedly to safety. The green car incidently is
the colour of will and represents the vehicle of my will that I used
to conquer the wall. The people down below were in a great panick.
Then I was down on the ground. There was this little boy just in front
of me. Then, from beyond the horizon, a man `flew' in a completely
straight line at massively high speed towards me. He got to the little
boy and the little boy was in the way, so he turned away and left. The
little boy was my own childishness which did not want to be involved
with this person. At this point he was a kind of wise-looking man,
highly lucid and alert, wearing white robes.
Then the little boy was out of the way and the man returned. All the
people were lined up as if paying their respects to someone who had
died. Perhaps an aspect of my ego. This time the being was again a man
but he was now semi-transparent. He glowed a gentle, dim orange, like
the dim glow of a very low-wattage light-bulb. He was liminous,
emmiting his own light, and I could see the background through him. He
had a robe thing on, hooded, and he looked excited and intelligent. In
his 40's perhaps, but his wisdom stood out to make him look older.
There was a play-swing as it was kind of a park. I got onto the swing
and begun to swing back and forth. There was some kind of a being
behind me, supporting me. The height of the swing increased and with
each stroke of the pendulum I moved higher and higher, being lifted
up. Then I was suddenly in a room sitting in an armchair. Opposite me
was a simple man with dark hair smiling at me. It was kind of a log
cabin. There were many other people there, mostly men, looking quite
dazed and a bit scared. I thought it might be a good jesjure to cross
my legs as if to meditate, at which the person opposite nodded.
Then the being appeared again several metres from where I was. The
people were scared a bit, as you would be before an operation. He
looked straight at one man and then entered him, his body merging
completey with the body of the man. A little time passed during which
I couldn't see the man properly for some reason, and then he
reappeared and looked quite, quite surprised that he was still alive.
He was refreshed. The being walked to the next man, just next to me.
The same occured. Then it was my turn. This being was like a kind of
doctor or something. He was preparing himself and he told me "I am
going to give you a new body". I felt fairly trusting of him and asked
"can you give me psychic powers?". He said "we'll see". Sort of to say
it was unwise and that I would understand why at some point.
He looked me in the eye and I merged into him. Everything went black.
It was like I was inside a kind of shell. In front of me where my eyes
should be was a square `window'. Looking through it there were
strange winding coloured energy patterns. A coolness began to enter my
body from the outside inwards, penetrating all the way inside. Then a
warmth did the same from the inside out. Then in a direction from
bottom to top there started a rumble, a rushing, a tremendous wind
being forces through me. It was quickly at full strength and I could
barely hold on to my awareness. It was like I could barely just peek
over the top of it. I had no inclination to do anything else because I
simply had to focus on being awake. The rushing got so intense like a
train was ploughing through me at high speed, bombarding all the crap
in me and giving me a thorough clense. It was almost painful.
Things went black for a split second and I was then standing in an
empty place with this same entity. I could trust him. He said to me
"you did well". Accross in front of us, at which we were both looking,
whereby him looking also was as if an example for me to follow, was a
scene of some kind. There was a woman laying on the floor, her back up
against some sacks or something. She was heavily pregnant, a huge
bulge in her stomach. In front of her was an `alien', a `grey' if you
know what one of those is, but a little bit more human looking. It
knelt down and put its hand onto the womans stomach area, onto the
pregnancy. The entire area lit up from the inside out, glowing so
brightly that you could see it coming through the skin, which looked
so thin. It was almost as though being shown that this entity was
choosing to put something into the lifeform or something, and that
maybe it was me.
That was the end. I woke up at that point.
Anybody else encountered this semi-transparent luminous man?
--
Paul.
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