1998/04/16 21:58
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #299
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 299
Today's Topics:
Re: chakras and deities [ anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities. ]
Re: chakras and deities [ Mary Ezzell <maryATnospamsonic.net> ]
Re: chakras and deities [ Mary Ezzell <maryATnospamsonic.net> ]
Re: Lost Among the Nadis? Come out a [ Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Lost Among the Nadis? Come out a [ "Ed Jason" <lobATnospamlineone.net> ]
Re: chakras and deities [ LHodges942 <LHodges942ATnospamaol.com> ]
help! what's happening to me? [ Matthew Bastress <mattbATnospamchrysalis.c ]
Re: childhood kundalini (was RE: kun [ WHYASK <WHYASKATnospamaol.com> ]
Anahata and the Spiritual Heart -- N [ Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> ]
Walking Through Walls [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ]
Re: all that enlightenment yadda yad [ Am <heidiATnospamadan.kingston.net> ]
Re: childhood kundalini (was RE: kun [ "Rick Puravs" <ric51ATnospamgeorge.lhi.net ]
Re: chakras and deities [ MMeyers541 <MMeyers541ATnospamaol.com> ]
RE: Anahata and the Spiritual Heart [ Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley ]
Re: childhood kundalini (was RE: kun [ John Heaton <CttlemanATnospampsbnewton.com ]
Re: childhood kundalini (was RE: kun [ "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu> ]
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 13:18:42 -0700
From: anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>
To: LHodges942 <LHodges942ATnospamaol.com>
CC: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: chakras and deities
Message-ID: <353667A2.7B4B9102ATnospamgeocities.com>
LHodges942 wrote:
> In a message dated 98-04-16 15:04:58 EDT, you write:
> <<
> Answering my own post, since no one else has. :-)
>
> That's funny Mary, LOL
> <snipped>
>
> I'd like to hear discussion about chakras if it relates to the kundalini.
> I've looked for mailing lists for chakras and fine none.
>
> Anandajyoti> Swami Shivananda Radha's Book "Kundalini Yoga for the West"will
> answer your question. The book also contains pictures depicting the deities at
> each chakra.
Thought it could be helpful, if you do need the info.Anandajyoti
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/6782
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:09:38 -0700
From: Mary Ezzell <maryATnospamsonic.net>
To: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: chakras and deities
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At 03:55 PM 4/16/98 EDT, LHodges942 wrote:
>I have been giving some
>thought to how the chakras relate to the kundalini, and just didn't want to
>ask yet. And when I read your message(s) about chakras relating to dieties,
>that sparked a question within myself even more......which diety to which
>chakra...
My impression is we can put whatever deities we like there, more or less.
IE of our own personal set of favorite deities, we can put them on our own
totem pole in any order we like. (Tho the chakras may have their own
attached deities too.)
>..which Arch Angel to which chakra...
More info on that?
>..and you know what, I work with
>12 chakras, the traditional 7, whose colors I guess everyone knows, and
then 5
>more, which are 3 gold and 2 silver, then white as the 13th.
Wehre do you get info on all these otehrs?
> That seems more
>balanced to me than just the 7 lower ones.
I like teh 'grounding chakra' that is below ones feet (18 inches??), and
another that is above ones head (near top of hte aura??). Those are all the
extras I know.
>
>I'd like to hear discussion about chakras if it relates to the kundalini.
Or as it doesn't. :-) Better than most of the off-topics here. :-)
SEriously, I think it does relate. Awake K will be waking up the chakras
whether we expect it or not, so if people learn about them, that may help
them understand their own k experience.
Mary
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:09:40 -0700
From: Mary Ezzell <maryATnospamsonic.net>
To: anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>
Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: chakras and deities
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At 01:18 PM 4/16/98 -0700, anandajyoti wrote:
>> Anandajyoti> Swami Shivananda Radha's Book "Kundalini Yoga for the
West"will
>> answer your question. The book also contains pictures depicting the
deities at
>> each chakra.
>
>Thought it could be helpful, if you do need the info.
Thanks, I'll look for it.
>Anandajyoti
>http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/6782
Bookmarked your site. What a beautiful article on Kali! I hope you will
leave all your articles online. Do you need more space?
Mary
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 17:49:33 EDT
From: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
To: umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca, annfisherATnospamstic.net
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Lost Among the Nadis? Come out and Play!
Message-ID: <1ab94159.35367cefATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 4/16/1998 8:12:56 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca writes:
<< The truth you come to know is the truth that you serve. If you 'serve'
or attend to that hidden jewel within, you may come to realize The
Truth. >>
Harsha: Beautifully put Jerry. Yes. There is no struggle here. If there is
laughter, there is laughter. If there are tears, there are tears. What the
Lord of the Heart shows us we see. Is there anything that truly belongs to
us? Why hoard love at all. Give it away. Give it all away. You are the
Guest and You are the Host. Feed yourself well.
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 19:55:20 -0700
From: "Ed Jason" <lobATnospamlineone.net>
To: <umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca>, "Ann Morrison Fisher" <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
Cc: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Lost Among the Nadis? Come out and Play!
Message-Id: <199804162202.XAA19203ATnospamboober.lineone.net>
> Jerry writes:
> One way of interpreting Ed's stance is that the Truth may be seen as
> hiding within. It is nowhere on the outside. Not within anyone or
> anything. But a precious jewel hidden within each seeker. I'm not an
> expert, but that sounds entirely Sufi-like and beautiful to me.
Shakti can indeed be seen as a precious flower wishing to unfold. so its true beauty will be known. Or a precious jewel hidden amongst trinkets.
> The truth you come to know is the truth that you serve. If you 'serve'
> or attend to that hidden jewel within, you may come to realize The
> Truth.
:-) We do indeed give or offer service to Truth - not try to take, find or aquire it.
> If you serve anything else, anything: Jesus, Buddha, Abraham, Danijel,
> Sandeep, and if you think The Truth is contained within them and not
> yourself, then you get some reflection of the hidden jewel, but only
> that. You don't get the jewel that is hidden within you. They, can,
> however, serve to stimulate some movement toward that hidden jewel
> within you.
In all things and all people resides the Secret Teacher. Why follow celebrities? They may be a special shining but if you do not find your own jewel - what then?
Inside. Go within.
> That is all they have ever done. I think everyone knows that. I'm not
> saying anything new, here, just explaining Ed's difficult words as I
> understand them.
I offer a choosing - a choice. You (very kindly) chose to understand according to your best nature. Part of your jewel is exposed and shared through your reflecting.
Be Well
Find the Good
Ed
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 18:11:59 EDT
From: LHodges942 <LHodges942ATnospamaol.com>
To: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: chakras and deities
Message-ID: <174e51e2.35368231ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-04-16 17:09:09 EDT, you write:
Mary wrote:
<< My impression is we can put whatever deities we like there, more or less.
IE of our own personal set of favorite deities, we can put them on our own
totem pole in any order we like. (Tho the chakras may have their own
attached deities too.)
>..which Arch Angel to which chakra...
More info on that?
Yes. I feel that there would be a certain diety working with a certain
chakra, like each one has a specialty, such as healing for Raphael, defending
for Michael, etc.
>12 chakras, the traditional 7, whose colors I guess everyone knows, and
then 5 more, which are 3 gold and 2 silver, then white as the 13th.
Where do you get info on all these otehrs?
I don't remember where I got the info, it's been years, but they are all above
the crown chakra....I don't even remember details, I just visualize 3 golden
orbs and 2 silver orbs above the violet one at the crown, and mellow out into
the whiteness.
I like teh 'grounding chakra' that is below ones feet (18 inches??), and
another that is above ones head (near top of hte aura??). Those are all the
extras I know.
Awake K will be waking up the chakras whether we expect it or not, so if
people learn about them, that may help them understand their own k experience.
>>
Thanks for your input.
Leona
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 98 18:31:22 EDT
From: Matthew Bastress <mattbATnospamchrysalis.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: help! what's happening to me?
Message-Id: <199804162231.SAA02724ATnospamlevi.chrysalis.com>
I have just stumbled onto this list and I already
read two posts by Kathy(delirium) and Uwe who have
these experiences. I can't believe it.
Kathy wrote:
>This morning somebody woke up in my body and I don't think it was "ME" anymore.
>
>Everything i used to know isn't the same anymore. "Important stuff" isn't important anymore. "MY
> JOB" isn't good for me anymore...I don't even know what I do, and I feel as though I should qui
>t and move to Alaska or somewhere and become a prostitute, 'cause then at least I'd be getting s
>crewed for a real reason...this is a joke but therein is a kernel of my current attitude.
Normally I would wait for a while but this is so amazing
for me that other people have similar experiences that I want
spill it. Maybe it is altogether different and I'm just
looking for another band-aid for the wound that people
would call "psycho" if I showed it to them. (?)
If you have the patience, thank you for reading this.
Also, it has taken me a long time to become fairly
objective about these bizarre experiences--I work
40 hours a week at a computer and I have come to hate
it because of the damned logic of it all. I guess
I'm just not interested in splitting hairs--you see?
When it started two years ago I was a monk. I
thought I was possessed because I could sense another
consciousness near mine, and when I bent to its will, it
could move my body however it wanted. The awful thing was
that it seemed to really hate me, and wanted to vomit all
the time, and was writhing around like it was in hell.
I didn't like that at all after a while, so I stopped
going along with it, but it is always there, only
now I try to be more objective about the symptoms so
I don't freak out my mother or my doctor--vibrations
everywhere (ankles, heart, teeth, skull), trembling,
constrained breathing but symptoms of hyperventilation,
pressure in my head, can't relax. Rapid dehydration.
But the really terrible part of the whole thing I have
never tried to describe. It is as if I'm being
digested, raped. Everything flash of intuition soon
after it comes is followed by a feeling of being
killed, and then I can't remember anymore what it
was. I am pulled up out of my feet. Anything I
fall in love with I die inside when I see, and all I can
do is tremble. I'm inside something else, and I
don't belong to the world around me anymore.
While I sleep my dreams don't belong to me and I
wake up and my body doesn't fit me anymore.
I can hear it whining, screaming, feel it trying
to kill me like it's sticking pins in my heart.
I can step out of myself and see its face in "mine",
and look at how it's watching everything and taking
over. Then it sees me and gets angry and I forget.
What is going on?????
Matt
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 19:32:38 EDT
From: WHYASK <WHYASKATnospamaol.com>
To: shawebbATnospamyhc.edu, Kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: childhood kundalini (was RE: kundalini questions)
Message-ID: <28af1159.35369517ATnospamaol.com>
>>Up until I was about five or six, I used to talk with two tiny people who
would come out of the wall into my bedroom. Although they were only about a
foot high, they were adults, a man and a woman. When I would hear my
parents coming down the hall toward my room, I always stopped talking and
the two little people would slip back into the wall and hide.>>
When I was at the same age, I experienced some of the same things. I had two
little people who would always be in my bedroom, one was my age, the other was
an adult man, with me when I was alone. We had many conversations until
someone would enter in to my room. This ended when I was seven.
I would also experiance the this strong tingling in my legs, and up and down
my spine, since the age of five. When Iwas young it would scare me but, the
two little people would always come back and calm me down.
Kristin
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 19:37:31 EDT
From: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
To: keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu, hlutharATnospambryant.edu, shawebbATnospamyhc.edu
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Anahata and the Spiritual Heart -- Nadis and Say What? :-)
Message-ID: <79c2f6da.3536963cATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 4/15/1998 10:38:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu writes:
<< KK: In Ramana Maharshi's works I have noted that he goes out of his way to
distinguish the spiritual heart from the physical heart but I have never
found anything he wrote that distinguishes it from either anahata or
hridaya cakras of the heart. If he does so can you give me a pointer. >>
Harsha: Look in the middle of page 367 of the "Talks with Sri Ramana
Maharshi." The Sage clearly states, "Anahata is not the same as the Heart-
center. If so why should they (yogis) wander further to the
Sahasarara?............See also the upper portion of page 392.
I have said before in earlier posts also that the physical heart, Anahata (the
psychic heart center of the Kundalini Yoga) and the Spiritual Heart ( in which
the mind and the Shakti merge in Kevala Nirvikalpa Samadhi) are three distinct
conceptualizations. I am giving below part of a conversation we had a few
months ago for those interested further on the topic. This and other posts on
the Heart and Kundalin are in the archives.
In a message dated 98-02-08 22:27:17 EST, keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu writes:
<< Harsha has periodically spoken of
kundalini going beyond the sahasrara to the heart. I have not had the
experience. In my limited experience once kundalini has penetrated the
crown there is nothing to move and nowhere to go. This viewpoint is echoed
in the literature of the Natha yogins. But this is just my experience.
Harsha writes: This is true. Yoga Shastras declare that Sahasarara is the
final resting place of the Shakti and that, that is where Nirvikalpa Samadhi
takes place. Pursha Sukta declares the Heart (Hridayam) to be the Seat of the
Self. Ultimately one must rely on one's own experiences. It is my experience
that many different types of Samadhis can take place in the Sahasarara. And
some of them are extremely powerful and intense. One of the "NIrvikalpa
Samadhis" I had at the Sahasarara lasted the whole night, and was one of the
only Samadhis where I found it very very difficult to come out of. I don't
know how someone living in complete isolation can survive it as the desire to
come out quickly declines. In the morning I felt physically weak but noted the
effects of the Samadhi on my consciousness. In Kevala Nirvikalpa Samadhi,
however, the
Shakti along with the mind comes down from the brain center, and merges in
the Spiritual Heart (Hridayam). Here the breath stops and the Self is
Reconized by the Self. Pure and Simple.
Kurt writes: If I were to try to build a model from what I have read, been
taught and
experiences it is that true insight can come from any cakra. A Shaivite,
Swami Nityananda pointed out that the Self can be realized anywhere and has
no locality at the heart. Buddhists have taught me that the non-duality of
bliss and emptiness can be contemplated at any center.
>>
Now Harsha is really smiling: Yes. Beautiful. Absolutely! Self is always
Realized and has no locality anywhere. It can be recognized Anywhere at any
Center. Where are all the Centers? They exist in the Heart only. The Heart is
only another name for the Self. As long as we speak in relationship to the
body, the Heart or the Sahasarara have certain locations due to the experience
of the mind. When one is in the Self, then there is nothing else to be aware
of. Self Knows It Self without thought or doubt. Its nature is that of Being
Whole and Complete and in Total Freedom. It is Pure Joy and Eternal Existence.
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 18:43:24 -0600
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Cc: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
Subject: Walking Through Walls
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Mark A. Collins wrote:
>If you can't walk through a wall, it's because you believed that the wall
>was >solid, and that you were solid.
OKaaay... I have a little story to tell you.
About 8 months ago I walked into a movie theater from a bright sunny day
and rushed through the ticket line, etc. because the movie was about to
start. Upon entering the darkened room I realized that I had better run to
the bathroom while the "Upcoming Attractions" were rolling, so that I
wouldn't miss any of the main feature. Having just taken off my clip-on
sunglasses, but still wearing my regular glasses, I headed for the aisle on
the other side of the row of seats my family had sat in. I was walking at
my usual quick pace when
SMACK!
I had run headlong into a black wall that I had mistook for "space", and
with such force that it drove my glasses into my left eybrow. There was
little pain (I go into shock easily), but as I walked back out the other
way and into the hall towards the restrooms I could feel something warm
trickling down my face. When I looked into the bathroom mirror I was
dismayed to see that I had quite a healthy gash in my head. I stuck a paper
towel to it and went back to join my family for the movie. It was a very
funny movie "Nothing to Lose", but everytime I laughed my wound would split
open again. I still have the scar.
So... not only did I not believe that the wall was solid, I didn't even
know there *was* a wall to have any beliefs about! I had assumed that like
many of the movie theaters I had been to that there was an aisle on either
side of each row of seats. This particular theater had rows of seats with
only a center aisle and one end of the row was actually attached to the
wall.
I had heard the same thing stated above by Mark Collins and in many
different ways from other people. And in the aftermath of my failure to
walk through a wall, I remember thinking "Well, there goes that theory..."
On the bright side, it did provide my children with some amusement. "There
goes that goofy mom again."
Thanks for giving me a chance to get in on the conversation!
amckeon
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 20:52:33 -0400
From: Am <heidiATnospamadan.kingston.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: all that enlightenment yadda yadda yadda
Message-Id: <199804170052.UAA08044ATnospamadan.kingston.net>
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>All the talk about what *is* and what *is not* part of enlightenment is
just so much noise. I'm sittin' here this a.m. and thinking, sheesh, what a
waste of bandwidth all this fussing over
>"semantics"...and come to think of it, *this* post is yet another noisy
waste of bandwidth itself...
>
>Brightest Blessings--Delirium
Too right, Lady
I'm with you 100%. I don't want to waste my life analyzing, disembling and
categorizing it, I want to LIVE it!!! I don't mind debating some issues but
not the ones to which no one has an anwser and who needs an answer anyway?
It makes me visualise a dog chasing its tail. ;)
When I'm on my deathbed--whenever that may be--I don't want to regret not
having LIVED every moment because I "wanted to take apart the clock and put
it back together to see how it works". NO. It works and, it works beautifully!
LOVE and PEACE and always, LAUGHTER
Am
We are EVERYTHING and we are NOTHING
(gleaned from an NDE account)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 22:38:46 -0400
From: "Rick Puravs" <ric51ATnospamgeorge.lhi.net>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: childhood kundalini (was RE: kundalini questions)
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>>>Dan wrote:
>>><snip> What practice or experience caused your kundalini
>>>to awaken?
>>>Joe replied:
>>>Mine was awake at birth. <snip>
> Mystress responds, "Me, too."
> Pretty much amazes me, but I've stopped arguing with the evidence.
> I have heard that one sign is having very clear early memories
The day of my baptism (June,1952) was the same day my brother was confirmed.
I can clearly remember who came to pick us up......the Brechts, whose daughter Arija was also being confirmed that day....i can remember sitting in a lap next to Arija in the back seat of their car and playing with the train toy they gave me.....the baptism was by sprinkling water , and i can remember trying to stick my foot
in the water.....afterwards the church steps, the bouquets of flowers being held by my brother, and Arija, and others.....i was a few days short of 11 months old at the time.....i never thought this unusual (i have other memories from around that time),
but when i was older and described it to people they insisted that i couldn't possibly remember this and must be recounting it from what people had told me and photographs i'd seen, but i still can see it all clearly to this day.
Love,
Rick
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 22:51:07 EDT
From: MMeyers541 <MMeyers541ATnospamaol.com>
To: LHodges942ATnospamaol.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: chakras and deities
Message-ID: <60ee4a3a.3536c39dATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-04-16 15:56:32 EDT, you write:
<< 'd like to hear discussion about chakras if it relates to the kundalini.
I've looked for mailing lists for chakras and fine none.
Thanks
Leona
>>
Hi Leona,
A couple of days ago, I pulled a book out from my bookshelf that I hadn't
looked at for awhile: Kundalini and the Chakras. (A Practical
Manual...Evolution in this Lifetime). ISBN 0-87542-592-5 It's by Genevieve
Lewis Paulson--and it's excellent!
At the time I bought it, I couldn't understand how visualizing colors & such
had anything to do w/ healing/spirituality/evolution; guess I wasn't quite
ready for it. But after starting to see auras last year, and then doing
Mystress's grounding meditations (immediately feeling the k-fire move through
me)...& doing some of Paulson's exercises for the last couple days, my aura is
clearer & brighter. Seeing is believing!--Michele
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 21:04:44 -0700
From: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
To: "'Harsha1MTM'" <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>,
"hlutharATnospambryant.edu"
<hlutharATnospambryant.edu>,
"shawebbATnospamyhc.edu" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu>
Cc: "kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: RE: Anahata and the Spiritual Heart -- Nadis and Say What? :-)
Message-ID: <01BD697B.488D0FE0.keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
In a message dated 4/15/1998 10:38:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu writes:
<< KK: In Ramana Maharshi's works I have noted that he goes out of his way
to
distinguish the spiritual heart from the physical heart but I have never
found anything he wrote that distinguishes it from either anahata or
hridaya cakras of the heart. If he does so can you give me a pointer. >>
Harsha: Look in the middle of page 367 of the "Talks with Sri Ramana
Maharshi." The Sage clearly states, "Anahata is not the same as the Heart-
center. If so why should they (yogis) wander further to the
Sahasarara?............See also the upper portion of page 392.
I have said before in earlier posts also that the physical heart, Anahata
(the
psychic heart center of the Kundalini Yoga) and the Spiritual Heart ( in
which
the mind and the Shakti merge in Kevala Nirvikalpa Samadhi) are three
distinct
conceptualizations. I am giving below part of a conversation we had a few
months ago for those interested further on the topic. This and other posts
on
the Heart and Kundalin are in the archives.
KK: Thanks for the pointer. I won't repeat your re-posting of the prior
conversation to save a few bytes of space.
Maybe it would help to first agree on the different experiences related to
the Self. I would describe it this way.
One experience is the samadhi in which all mental activity subsides in the
total peace of the Self (I'm getting back in the hang of using this
terminology). There is a total extinguishment accompanied by an
unmistakable sense of Self recognition.
Another experience is the experience of the Self, together with external
objects in which object by object they are recognized to be none other the
Self. The sense of intimacy is profound, but the sense of identify of
objects with the Self is limited to the field of perception - even though
one's identity is rooted in the Self.
Another experience is the experience of the Self in which all of the uni
verse is simultaneously perceived as a single wholeness pervaded by the
Self.
How does that sound? If it sounds ok then how would you relate these
experiences to the ascent and descent of kundalini ?
Kurt
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 22:47:10 -0500
From: John Heaton <CttlemanATnospampsbnewton.com>
To: Rick Puravs <ric51ATnospamgeorge.lhi.net>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: childhood kundalini (was RE: kundalini questions)
Message-ID: <3536D0BE.75CEATnospampsbnewton.com>
Rick Puravs wrote:
>
> >>>Dan wrote:
> >>><snip> What practice or experience caused your kundalini
> >>>to awaken?
> >>>Joe replied:
> >>>Mine was awake at birth. <snip>
> > Mystress responds, "Me, too."
> > Pretty much amazes me, but I've stopped arguing with the evidence.
> > I have heard that one sign is having very clear early memories
>
John:
I have enjoyed reading all of the memories...(especially Sharon...WAY
cool stuff...) but damn! I have two older brothers and one older sister,
and have practically zero memory of any of it. I can count my chilhood
memories on one hand and still have enough fingers left to tie my shoes.
(I do remember how to do that! *S*)
Out in left field again...gotta be some traffic by here
sometime....Come on over MAC, we'll stare at some candles and walk
through walls...maybe find a Lobster floating in the foam offering a
saphire for anyone silly enough to take it, and if we are most
fortunate, Mystress will unleash her infinity of monkeys and we can fly
over to TG's and drop chocolate covered cherries on her, laughing all
the way. The wizard will be most happy to see us, Dorothy will drop her
panties and the scarecrow will get his first erection. What a wonderful
day it will be!
The ole '48 Buick flying machine (merkaba if you must) is freshly waxed
and full of gas. The windshield is clean and pizza is ordered. What a
wonderful day it will be!
You all are just WAY too cool!! :-) Please accept my love and profound
gratitude for having found such a wonderful pool of energy!!
One too many cocktails and hopelessly in awe,
John :-)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 00:16:13 -0400
From: "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: childhood kundalini (was RE: kundalini questions)
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Hi,
John wrote:
>I can count my childhood
>memories on one hand and still have enough fingers left to tie my shoes.
But, gee, maybe weird stuff happened to all of us when we were little kids.
Maybe only a few of us remember.
If any of these things indicate childhood kundalini, then it seems to me
that maybe k is a natural state for children. Maybe all little kids are k
active and are conditioned out of it, or outgrow it or something. Do you
suppose?
And if that's the case, then maybe we all have been given the gift of being
childlike again.
:-)
Love,
Sharon
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