1998/04/16 13:16
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #298
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 298
Today's Topics:
Re: Snaky stuff [ "Ed Jason" <lobATnospamlineone.net> ]
Re: Snakey stuff [ "Ed Jason" <lobATnospamlineone.net> ]
What is the requirement? [ "Ed Jason" <lobATnospamlineone.net> ]
Ramana Maharshi and Nadis and Say Wh [ Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Snakey stuff [ Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Easter sermon, trembling [ hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com (Holly N. Ba ]
Re: Lost Among the Nadis? Come out a [ Jerry Katz <umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca> ]
Re: childhood kundalini (was RE: kun [ "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu> ]
Re: Snaky stuff [ "Brent Blalock" <blal0004ATnospammaroon.tc ]
Re: Lost Among the Nadis? Come out a [ "Ed Jason" <lobATnospamlineone.net> ]
Mourning the loss of "ME"...when's t [ Kathy <deliriumATnospamfull-moon.com> ]
balance [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ]
chakras and deities [ Mary Ezzell <maryATnospamsonic.net> ]
Re: chakras and deities [ LHodges942 <LHodges942ATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: childhood kundalini (was RE: kun [ melintonATnospamalison.sbc.edu ]
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:01:28 -0700
From: "Ed Jason" <lobATnospamlineone.net>
To: "Brent Blalock" <blal0004ATnospammaroon.tc.umn.edu>
Cc: "Kundalini - L" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Snaky stuff
Message-Id: <199804161123.MAA17956ATnospamboober.lineone.net>
> I just noticed a few things.
>
> I try not to sound too antagonistic. And I don't just dismiss what you
> say, thinking it too "different" to be right, for that is the essence of
> foolishness. Nonetheless, I disagreed with a fair amount of what you said,
> and so... the assault begins:
>
> You sound very sure of yourself. I wonder how you could possibly know so
> much that you can say with confidence that Jesus and the Buddha were
> immature.
Simple. I am immature and my interpretation of their great sanctity is based on my own arrogance and I deserve 'the truth' that I see :-)
> Sometimes, one has to go thru an experience where a piece of wisdom is
> reinforced to really be able to apply it to one's life. For example, one
> won't really know why it's good to get enough sleep until one stays up too
> late.
>
> But you're saying that wisdom can't be transmitted verbally whatsoever, and
> that Buddha, Jesus, etc. were fools for trying. That is a strong
> statement. Surely you know something that justifies such a strong
> statement.
The only people who ever taught me wisdom (as opposed to information which is available in books) never tried - they exemplified. They were wise. They embodied.
Buddha, Jesus etc could not transmit anything but the most superficial truths through words. That their words are often considered sublime demonstrates our lack.
> > I also think they Jesus, Mohammed etc were quite raw and immature
> > - incomplete in their training. Jesus it is quite clear was still
> undergoing a
> > process of change and unfoldment.
>
> And why do you think that Jesus and Mohammed were "raw and immature"? That
> suggests that you know the "real" path to enlightenment (or wherever
> "training" takes you to) and that you are further than they are. What is
> that path, and how do you know that you are further than they are?
For me to claim above, below or parity would be ridiculous. However . . .Everyone is raw and immature. It is a question of degree. As for the path . . . develop real qualities, go within. Be kind. Start to find the answers you have. In other words digest what you know.
> > However there are genuine teachers. Are there genuine students?
>
> How does this statement coincide with your belief that wisdom can't be
> explained?
Perhaps you could answer that . . .
Most Kind Regards,
Lobster
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 08:40:42 -0700
From: "Ed Jason" <lobATnospamlineone.net>
To: "Druout" <DruoutATnospamaol.com>, <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Snakey stuff
Message-Id: <199804161123.MAA18176ATnospamboober.lineone.net>
> Dear Lobster,
>
> I think Dan has come up with a very nice distinction that I think places
> Krishnamurti in the "public teacher to effect societal changes" area. He
> would, of course, be horrified at being called a guru. I suspect he helped a
> great many people during his lifetime with very real wisdom. And I think he
> would have adored to escape from his public life at a certain point. I don't
> think he would claim he was perfect. He was, afterall thrust into his
> position from early childhood--and it took courage to break with the
> theophosisits. He's interesting to me at this stage in my life because of
> his K experiences. And this is a K-list after all! Not a God list. (My
> agnosticism speaking!) I'm not a follower of Krishnamurti. I used to hear
> him speak. He had an incredible voice!
>
> Love Hillary
I understand. I agree. If you have found a teacher, a group, a knowing, a truth, an understanding this is always good. Krishnamurti has been as you say of tremendous benefit to many people.
In relationship to 'K' the only thing is this:
Am I or will I be better for knowing experiencing this. I think most people are enhanced through being in contact with Krishnamurti.
Whether through choice or spontaneous arising 'K' is here. The best way to contain, control and smooth 'K' is through Martail Arts, Yoga, Tai Chi and meditation. Most of these have religious connotations. You can also 'walk off' 'K' or run or bicycle. What you are doing is redirecting or earthing some of the energy.
I know some of you are in pain on this list. You must reach out. You must ask for help in a meaningful way. I have gone into another area but it relates. There is much learning required. Much healing. Much service. We are in this on a planetary as well as an individual level.
PEACE AND BLESSING TO YOU ALL
Lobster
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 08:26:15 -0700
From: "Ed Jason" <lobATnospamlineone.net>
To: "Dan Margolis" <margolisATnospamtransbay.net>,
"Kundalini Mailing List" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: What is the requirement?
Message-Id: <199804161123.MAA21270ATnospamboober.lineone.net>
> So most genuine teachers will remain hidden because they can be far more effective at enlightening the few genuine students they find. A few genuine teachers will be forced to work on a large societal scale but there primary concern is a general trend as opposed to teaching individual students. A few genuine
> visionaries(but not teachers) will be thrust into the public spotlight because they have been given gifts of seeing or prophecy and must pursue them. These visionaries again work on a large societal level as opposed to educating individual students. Finally there are the hidden teachers whose role is to
> enlighten their students.
>
> Dan M.
All you say in this post is true. The genuine does not have to be hidden and is not always. The Dalia lama has gone on record as saying he is not enlightened. That he is an inspiration and force for enlightenment can not be denied.
Public, private, hidden, known, unknown is not as important as this:
"can I learn?"
Lobster
Learning
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 07:49:07 EDT
From: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
To: keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu, hlutharATnospambryant.edu, shawebbATnospamyhc.edu
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Ramana Maharshi and Nadis and Say What?
Message-ID: <1594dde0.3535f035ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 4/15/1998 10:38:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu writes:
<< KK: In Ramana Maharshi's works I have noted that he goes out of his way to
distinguish the spiritual heart from the physical heart but I have never
found anything he wrote that distinguishes it from either anahata or
hridaya cakras of the heart. If he does so can you give me a pointer. >>
Harsha: There is indeed a fundamental distinction between the psychic heart
center of kundalini yoga (Anahata) and the Spiritual Heart that Ramana
Maharshi spoke of. Ramana Maharshi specifically made that distinction plain in
several of his recorded conversation. The Spiritual Heart lies beyond the
Sahasarara. It is another name for the Self. It is the Core of Being and the
Self-Existent Reality. That is my "Experience" as well. The "Experience" of
the Self is "Self-Confirming." However, on a relative level of consciousness,
Sages like Ramana Maharshi (and there have been others) also "Confirm" it with
total and complete clarity.
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 07:57:47 EDT
From: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
To: lobATnospamlineone.net, DruoutATnospamaol.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Snakey stuff
Message-ID: <a2502be1.3535f23dATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 4/16/1998 4:23:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time, lobATnospamlineone.net
writes:
<< I know some of you are in pain on this list. You must reach out. You must
ask for help in a meaningful way. I have gone into another area but it
relates. There is much learning required. Much healing. Much service. We are
in this on a planetary as well as an individual level.
PEACE AND BLESSING TO YOU ALL
Lobster >>
God Bless Everyone with All that is best in life with abundant joy and peace.
May pain and suffering diminish and evaporate. May everyone be consoled in
friendship, love and understanding.
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 08:23:50 -0500 (CDT)
From: hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com (Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D.)
To: UweJohann <UweJohannATnospamaol.com>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Easter sermon, trembling
Message-Id: <199804161323.IAA21129ATnospamdfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com>
THANK YOU, Uwe, for sharing this experience. Sometimes it seems that
we get so absorbed in intellectual hairsplitting on this list the
enormity of what is actually happening to us is lost for the pedantry.
Personal posts like yours (and occasionally mine) dissipate into the
void without remark. I think to myself, can it really be that
everybody on this list but me has mastered this phenomenal upheaval in
his or her life? The ferocious energy? The utter miracle of it all?!
My life has been completely deconstructed and (partially) reassembled
in the last few years because of awakening. I'm reeling and joyful and
grateful. But not, never, on top of it. Thank you so much for the
passion in your post. Holly
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 08:51:35 -0700
From: Jerry Katz <umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca>
To: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Lost Among the Nadis? Come out and Play!
Message-ID: <35362907.58CBATnospamns.sympatico.ca>
Ann Morrison Fisher wrote:
>
> So you're not interested in "snakey power," Lobster? Too bad - you're
> missing a lot of fun!!
>
> Wisdom can't be explained, so anyone who tries is obviously not a true
> teacher? Darn - I was just about to answer that important question. Guess
> I'd better keep my mouth shut!!
>
> Yet you think there are some real teachers somewhere, if anyone can find
> them while they're busy hiding.
>
> So if they don't talk about "wisdom," what do they teach? Maybe just a
> simple technique or two? A little upstream kriya? How to open a door to
> the All? No, Jerry says their words "will possess a gravity that draws
> some people toward that silence." Gravity is good, but no wisdom, right,
> Lobster?
>
> And anyway, Dan says if they're public enough that you can find them,
> they're not interested in teaching individuals, just changing society. Oh
> well.
>
> So Jesus was immature? Still in "a process of change and unfoldment"? You
> mean he wasn't dead? You know what you are when you stop changing,
> Lobster? DEAD.
>
> So Mohammed and Gautama were products of the times they lived in? What a
> shame they weren't enlightened 20th-century lobsters!
>
> But then they weren't real teachers, either, because they were openly
> teaching individuals. Jesus was traipsing around the countryside with a
> group of students, and Gautama sat in the Deer Park, occasionally uttering
> words of wisdom - a big nono! - to his students.
>
> Maybe you should admit you're an avatar, Lobster; then you could find the
> perfect teacher. No, I guess you don't fit the criteria. You're not in
> hiding. And you're not perfect - I can see that because you're not dead.
> Oh well.
>
> Going out to play with Sandeep and Danijel and the other kids....
>
> Ann
Jerry writes:
One way of interpreting Ed's stance is that the Truth may be seen as
hiding within. It is nowhere on the outside. Not within anyone or
anything. But a precious jewel hidden within each seeker. I'm not an
expert, but that sounds entirely Sufi-like and beautiful to me.
The truth you come to know is the truth that you serve. If you 'serve'
or attend to that hidden jewel within, you may come to realize The
Truth.
If you serve anything else, anything: Jesus, Buddha, Abraham, Danijel,
Sandeep, and if you think The Truth is contained within them and not
yourself, then you get some reflection of the hidden jewel, but only
that. You don't get the jewel that is hidden within you. They, can,
however, serve to stimulate some movement toward that hidden jewel
within you.
That is all they have ever done. I think everyone knows that. I'm not
saying anything new, here, just explaining Ed's difficult words as I
understand them.
Ann paints it clearly as a negative space. It stands out like one of
those zero white spaces at the center of a Sharon Webb fractal, if you
don't mind my saying.
__
Nondualism
http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/umbada
"There is only one person. That person is given every name and title."
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 11:40:40 -0400
From: "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: childhood kundalini (was RE: kundalini questions)
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Hi,
Angelique your lovely post jarred loose all kinds of things in me. Weird
little kid stuff.
You wrote:
>I have not thought about What I was looking for, for years.. but I am
>remembering it as a light.. and remembering that I kept digging holes for
>years after, not telling anyone why coz they might stop me again.
I looked for something for years and years, too. There was a spare room in
our house and one morning when I was about three I noticed that the closet
door in the room had changed. The door was split now and it had two
doorknobs. I turned the lower knob and entered a room that was pure magic.
It was full of toys---wonderful moving things---made of crystal and light.
I was totally enchanted and played in there for a long time until my mother
called me for lunch. I went back into the spare room after lunch, but the
split door was gone. I was stunned. I asked my mother where it was and
told her what was in there, but she said the door had never looked like
that. And I never found that room again, but I kept looking for it wherever
I was. I think maybe I'm still looking. :-)
Up until I was about five or six, I used to talk with two tiny people who
would come out of the wall into my bedroom. Although they were only about a
foot high, they were adults, a man and a woman. When I would hear my
parents coming down the hall toward my room, I always stopped talking and
the two little people would slip back into the wall and hide.
When I was five I had a series of dreams in which I was fishing in our
fireplace. I would drop a line very very deep and watch it sink through the
firebrick floor. Then I would feel a series of tugs and draw out
monstrous-looking deep sea fish with strange needle teeth and luminous
lights all over their bodies. It wasn't until years later that I recognized
them on a tv news cast: newly discovered creatures from the ocean depths.
And when I was little I would assume weird, but effortless, postures. I
learned only six months ago that these were Hatha yoga positions when I saw
them in a friend's book.
When I was six, I got sick with rheumatic fever. I was in heart failure for
awhile and for many months I'd start to cry when I began to hear a rumbling,
deep-pitched, rhythmic roaring because I knew what it meant. I knew when it
reached a certain pitch that I would be sucked out of the top of my head and
sent careening _backwards_ at an incredible rate of speed down a cold, dark
scary tunnel.
But at night I used to have fun bouncing from floor to ceiling in lovely
slow motion. :-)
Sometimes when I walked home from school I would see panoramic visions...360
degree things...so I'd have to stop and turn around slowly in order to see
it all. They seemed to come in answer to questions I had. One that I
particularly remember was trying to figure out how the saints related to
Jesus, and the panorama opened to show me all the gods and goddesses with
Zeus at the helm.
And I would have "knowings" too. Like knowing somebody was still alive when
everybody else thought they were dead...or vice versa. And the stuff that
spelled itself out on the Ouija board would come true.
And the eyes and faces and pictures and patterns that came in that place
between wakefulness and sleep, the vignettes that seemed to be taken out of
long ago times, the scenes of alien landscapes and fantastic herds of
animals...I have had them all my life.
But I never thought of any of this as k. I don't know what they were. Just
weird little kid stuff?
At any rate, I would love to hear the experiences of others on this list.
What did you experience as a child? Are there commonalties? I suspect
there are. :-)
Love,
Sharon
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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:23:57 -0500
From: "Brent Blalock" <blal0004ATnospammaroon.tc.umn.edu>
To: <lobATnospamlineone.net>
Cc: "Kundalini - L" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Snaky stuff
Message-Id: <353628503343002ATnospammhub1.tc.umn.edu>
From: Ed Jason <lobATnospamlineone.net>
To: Brent Blalock <blal0004ATnospammaroon.tc.umn.edu>
Cc: Kundalini - L <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Snaky stuff
Date: Wednesday, April 15, 1998 11:01 AM
> The only people who ever taught me wisdom (as opposed to
> information which is available in books) never tried - they exemplified.
> They were wise. They embodied.
>
> Buddha, Jesus etc could not transmit anything but the most superficial
> truths through words. That their words are often considered
> sublime demonstrates our lack.
I'm still not quite clear about what you're saying about non-verbal wisdom
transmission. You could say to someone, "Early to bed, early to rise makes
a man healthy, wealthy, and wise." If they're receptive, they'll apply
that knowledge, and, therefore, receive knowledge verbally. If that is a
"superficial" truth, then what isn't?
> Everyone is raw and immature. It is a question of degree. As for the
path...
> develop real qualities, go within. Be kind. Start to find the answers you
have.
> In other words digest what you know.
And how do you know that this is the way? And what do you call "real"
qualities? Some people are of the opinion that freeing oneself from
attachment to things is the way, and that digesting information only
reinforces bondage to the material world (actively starting thoughts, not
just letting them float by).
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 12:48:34 -0700
From: "Ed Jason" <lobATnospamlineone.net>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>, "Ann Morrison Fisher" <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
Subject: Re: Lost Among the Nadis? Come out and Play!
Message-Id: <199804161654.RAA11622ATnospamboober.lineone.net>
> So you're not interested in "snakey power," Lobster? Too bad - you're
> missing a lot of fun!!
:-)
> Wisdom can't be explained, so anyone who tries is obviously not a true
> teacher? Darn - I was just about to answer that important question. Guess
> I'd better keep my mouth shut!!
:-(
> Yet you think there are some real teachers somewhere, if anyone can find
> them while they're busy hiding.
Busy hiding? :-) 'Nobody and nothing can hide the truth from those who seek it sincerely'.
> So if they don't talk about "wisdom," what do they teach? Maybe just a
> simple technique or two? A little upstream kriya? How to open a door to
> the All? No, Jerry says their words "will possess a gravity that draws
> some people toward that silence." Gravity is good, but no wisdom, right,
> Lobster?
:-1
> And anyway, Dan says if they're public enough that you can find them,
> they're not interested in teaching individuals, just changing society. Oh
> well.
>
> So Jesus was immature? Still in "a process of change and unfoldment"? You
> mean he wasn't dead? You know what you are when you stop changing,
> Lobster? DEAD.
That's right and that is why in Sufism it is said 'Die before you die'.
> So Mohammed and Gautama were products of the times they lived in? What a
> shame they weren't enlightened 20th-century lobsters!
Ask yourself this: 'What perfection in them am I so protective of?'
Not Mohammed or Gautama
or a 20th-century Lobster
just some words you react to . . .
Ed
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 12:48:07 +0100
From: Kathy <deliriumATnospamfull-moon.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Mourning the loss of "ME"...when's the wake, eh?
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(note...the use of "I" is simply a formality...)
This morning somebody woke up in my body and I don't think it was "ME" anymore.
Everything i used to know isn't the same anymore. "Important stuff" isn't important anymore. "MY JOB" isn't good for me anymore...I don't even know what I do, and I feel as though I should quit and move to Alaska or somewhere and become a prostitute, 'cause then at least I'd be getting screwed for a real reason...this is a joke but therein is a kernel of my current attitude.
No, this isn't feeling sorry for self time at all, it's just that a definite shift has just become apparent in "MY" consciousness and things don't fit right...
So right now I'm going through the motions, pretending I'm still "ME"
and wondering what will be next...and wondering if it requires an act, a leap of faith maybe to make it to another 'level' where I will once again feel as though it all fits...
...or maybe it isn't ever gonna fit again? Maybe this new feeling is just going to take some time to adjust "MY SELF" to...
I'm not depressed either, maybe just peeled away another layer of the onion and am seeing from a different angle or perspective. Have been just recently putting some healing energy into focus, so ...whonoze?
The K-fire is burning bright, this much is certain.
maybe it's also like the little pup-dog, Aero, who was so emaciated and sick and he only weighed 9 pounds...after getting veterinary attention and lots of healing love and energy from people around him and lots of people on the list, he is now very "itchy"...his body and systems are growing so fast (he's 20 pounds now after two weeks at home) that the energy is making him itch...maybe the parallel is true for what is happening in my own experience as well...the apparent discomfort, discomfit, whatever is just the natural course of things, growing pains, aches and realizations...
And maybe, just maybe my own truth right now is that the blocks are falling or burning away and being replaced with clean energy...
I dunno.
--Delirium
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:13:39 -0400
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>,
HeartZen <heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com>
Subject: balance
Message-ID: <35364A53.4761C9C0ATnospammail.snet.net>
Spinning. Bright light.
Carnival ride.
Transport.
Boundary meltdown.
Thoughts flutter like moths about the flame.
Watching the aerial dance in the minds' field.
The stage.
The audience is still.
Transfixed. Amazed.
Observing.
Alive with eyes that see in every direction.
Behold the scene.
The tender balance between surrender and control.
In the blink of an I.
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 12:04:36 -0700
From: Mary Ezzell <maryATnospamsonic.net>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: chakras and deities
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Answering my own post, since no one else has. :-)
At 11:44 AM 4/15/98 -0700, you wrote:
>This sounds like a technique from yoga too. Visualize a different deity in
>each chakra. Certainly it's what happens to me. The 'handle' I have on each
>chakra is the deity that seems to be connected to it ... my relationship to
>that deity.
Seems to work the other way too. Pulse at that chakra etc can be 'handle'
on relationship to deity, or of that deity to the dieties of the other
chakras.
>
>For a long time I've been trying to connect 2nd chak (mother kali) with 5th
>etc. Find putting the Wiccan/STrega deities in 4th and 5th helps. They can
>get along with Kali when no one else can. :-)))))))))
Noticing more about this. Something to do with, dif chakras' pulses don't
match. Find I can choose which one I want to 'lead' and get at least some
of the others to match it, or at least sort of fit with it.
Kind of, which one to let pulse 'loudest'? Let its pulse spread to the
soft tissue around it, center in it? Let it be like the ocean, and the
other chaks that don't match be like isolated islands?
Trying to find some deiies taht are already in tune with each ohter, so
they cn bring the chaks in tune too.
>
>Think it has a lot to do with teh hara line too.
Maybe it's 'ton tien' I'm feeling instead of 2nd chakra?
Mary
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:55:54 EDT
From: LHodges942 <LHodges942ATnospamaol.com>
To: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: chakras and deities
Message-ID: <bdbe7c2.3536624cATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-04-16 15:04:58 EDT, you write:
<<
Answering my own post, since no one else has. :-)
That's funny Mary, LOL
At 11:44 AM 4/15/98 -0700, you wrote:
>This sounds like a technique from yoga too. Visualize a different deity in
>each chakra. Certainly it's what happens to me. The 'handle' I have on each
>chakra is the deity that seems to be connected to it ... my relationship to
>that deity.
Seems to work the other way too. Pulse at that chakra etc can be 'handle'
on relationship to deity, or of that deity to the dieties of the other
chakras. >>
I didn't read your mail, must have missed it, but I have been giving some
thought to how the chakras relate to the kundalini, and just didn't want to
ask yet. And when I read your message(s) about chakras relating to dieties,
that sparked a question within myself even more......which diety to which
chakra.....which Arch Angel to which chakra.....and you know what, I work with
12 chakras, the traditional 7, whose colors I guess everyone knows, and then 5
more, which are 3 gold and 2 silver, then white as the 13th. That seems more
balanced to me than just the 7 lower ones.
I'd like to hear discussion about chakras if it relates to the kundalini.
I've looked for mailing lists for chakras and fine none.
Thanks
Leona
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:56:22 -0400
From: melintonATnospamalison.sbc.edu
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: childhood kundalini (was RE: kundalini questions)
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Sharon wrote:
>Angelique your lovely post jarred loose all kinds of things in me. Weird
>little kid stuff.
>But at night I used to have fun bouncing from floor to ceiling in lovely
>slow motion. :-)
I used to play with a ball of energy, but I coudln't see it, only feel it.
Mentally I'd roll it and roll it and it would get bigger and bigger until I
almost lost control of it then I'd roll it down small again. I also had an
imaginary friend, like most kids do -- I wonder now if he wasn't an early
incarnation of my k-angel.
There was a baby "firewalking" event. My brother, who is younger, wandered
into a patch of blackberry brambles. He had on shoes but the canes were
sticking him from every side and he was caught so he started screaming. I
was barefoot but I wanted to get him so I waded into the thicket, walking
over the old canes in barefeet. I could feel the thorns pressing into my
feet but they didn't pierce me and they didn't hurt, even when I picked him
up to carry him out. I checked my feet when we were out of the
brambles--there wasn't even one thorn sticking in me.
>From age 10 on I had intense periodic searching feelings. I knew I was
looking for "him" but who he was I didn't know. I also *knew* he was
"real", though it didn't occur to me to look for him inside my-self for
another couple of decades.
I think a lot of weird stuff happened when I was a kid but i;ve forgotten
it. I could remember other lives back then, but what they were now I don't
know ...
--Liz
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