1998/04/06 21:13
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #271
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 271
Today's Topics:
Re: KL : EGO [ anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities. ]
Smile [ "Duncan, Mark (Contractor)" <duncan ]
Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #262 da [ trexisATnospamjuno.com ]
Re: KL : EGO [ anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities. ]
RE: kundalini questions [ "Roberto Gonzales del Valle" <93035 ]
Re: A Community of The Spirit [ "Ed" <lobATnospamlineone.net> ]
Re: kundalini questions [ melintonATnospamalison.sbc.edu ]
Re: A Community of The Spirit [ "Jason S. White" <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch ]
Re: Enlightenment (One Mo' Time) [ "Ed" <lobATnospamlineone.net> ]
Re: Discovering the reptile within [ Patrick Radford <patrick.radfordATnospamwh ]
Re: kundalini questions [ "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com> ]
Re: kundalini questions [ hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com (Holly N. Ba ]
REMOVE FROM LIST!! [ Diane <drf140ATnospamemail.psu.edu> ]
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 22:33:48 -0700
From: anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>
To: david.bozziATnospamsnet.net
CC: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: KL : EGO
Message-ID: <3529BABC.2E714D31ATnospamgeocities.com>
David Booze wrote:
> Someone asks:
>
> > > Who controls ego?
>
> anandajyoti wrote:
>
> > ALL parts of you.
>
> The Unified Self is beyond distinctions/ego, no?
Who has the concept or idea of the Unified Self? Who is speaking here,
Existence and Non- Existence are also categories of thought, are they
not?
Anandajyoti
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 08:03:51 -0400
From: "Duncan, Mark (Contractor)" <duncanmATnospamemh22.eustis.army.mil>
To: "Debra S. Nair" <ballydsnATnospamjuno.com>, FTL - PM <mullisATnospamftltech.com>,
Kundalini List <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Smile
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Subject: SMILE
She smiled at a sorrowful stranger.
The smile seemed to make him feel better.
He remembered past kindness of a friend
And wrote him a thank you letter.
The friend was so pleased with the thank you
That he left a large tip after lunch.
The waitress, surprised by the size of the tip,
Bet the whole thing on a hunch.
The next day she picked up her winnings,
And gave part to a man on the street.
The man on the street was grateful;
For two days he'd had nothing to eat.
After he finished his dinner,
He left for his small dingy room.
He didn't know at that moment
that he might be facing his doom.
On the way he picked up a shivering puppy
And took him home to get warm.
The puppy was very grateful
To be in out of the storm.
That night the house caught on fire.
The puppy barked the alarm.
He barked till he woke the whole household
And saved everybody from harm.
One of the boys that he rescued
Grew up to be President.
All this because of a simple smile
That hadn't cost a cent.
Mark C. Duncan
ATSCNET Systems Engineer
Remtech Services, Inc.
Bldg. 1725, FT Eustis, VA
757.878.4871
duncanmATnospamemh22.eustis.army.mil
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 22:36:59 -0500
From: trexisATnospamjuno.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #262 dangers of pranayama?
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I was reading the martial arts forum on isca bbs and read two
martial arts experts
arguing/explaining to each other the virtues of upholding martial arts
training EXACTLY as given to them, as well as discussing what chi is, how
to develop it,
sense it, and use it. The sensei in this discussion required the
memorization of
specific herbal recipes, as well as specific postures maintained during
practice
of specific intensities. Okami explained that the chi is activated and
generated
under special temperature, carbon dioxide and oxygen levels and that with
the
miridians closed from incorrect posture and tensions, improper flow can
occur.
The master whether it be of pranayama or kung fu (pending he's truly a
master)
can sense the changes in blood aklali, mental state, energy flow and the
subtle
alterations in the nerve system that happen in specific stages within the
body
of the pupil.
The body's system for regulating respiration include not only sensing
levels of
oxygen in the body but especially carbon dioxide. It is possible to
reduce your
carbon dioxide levels that you can reduce your breathing sufficiently to
strangle.
The nervous system as well as all other chemical systems in the body
operate
in a very narrow and specific alcali range. Going too acid or base can
result in
brain convulsions, something a spiritual aspirant doesn't need to deal
with.
A master can guide a pupil's slow gradual alchemical change safely by
things
as simple as advising slightly deeper/shallower breathing, advising,
demonstrating,
or assisting in the direction of energy flow through the needed channels,
unblocking clogged channels, knowing which of the various flavors of
prana in the
body need purification, increase, or decrease, and the reccomendation of
the herbs
and herb combinations in the right doses for each different pupil to
catalyze and
fuel these changes. Changes also occur in brain chemistry, brain wave
stability
cardiac regulation, blood pressure etc...
I've never practiced pranayama, have never met a pranayama teacher but
have
taken tia chi lessons and regular practice for one year and can verify
some of
the preceding from personal experience. Sometimes just breathing a lot
doesn't
do anything. Slight shifts in posture , intention, and awareness
canresult in drastic
improvements in awareness, production, and controll of chi. A strong
foundation
of these energies moving properly and automaticly from proper practice is
needed
for the altered and improved mental states attainable through practice.
A student in my tia chi class warned me about breathing exercises noting
that an
acquaintence of his had screwed up his heart function by practicing cross
breathing.
I think cross breathing is deflating one lung and inflating the other
with sort of a side
to side torso rocking motion.
I stopped taking lessons because my teacher had no discussions concerning
breathing, chi development, sensation, or flow. He had little or no
perception
of the chi moving (or not moving) in the bodies of the students and no
knowledge
of diet, or herbs and their influence on the body. I know this because I
asked.
He never asked what our perceptions were.
Basicly we were just going through motions.
You can try pranayama by yourself and do little more than just go through
motions.
You can possibly pass "stage 1" fine, go through "stage 2" mediocre by
missing
some small detail of which you were either ignorant or insufficiently
perceptive,
never find stage three without being pointed gently and patiently to it.
But you could always stay on your couch not daring to try for lack of
support.
Edward
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Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 23:04:52 -0700
From: anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>
To: Imtgxxx <ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: KL : EGO
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Imtgxxx wrote:
> > Jan wrote:
> > > > Control of the activities of mind (yoga) means
> > > control of ego also.
> >
> David wrote:
> > Who controls ego?
> >>
>
> Tg>The Wizard of Oz
> The One behind the curtain
>
> And who reveals this control freak?
> Oh My...
> It's ToTo, too!
>
> Wouldn't you know it...
> an annagram of God
> reveals the Wizard
> in all his Glory
> to be a mere
> mortal of
> Man
>
> xxxtg
>
> * I'm 46 years old, but I read at the 50 year old level *
>
Anandajyoti> That's $64,000 question which you answered with 5000 years
of wisdom.Sorry! So what did you say, again !!!!!!!
Anandajyoti
>
>
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 13:51:22 -0600
From: "Roberto Gonzales del Valle" <930359ATnospamaloe.ulima.edu.pe>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: RE: kundalini questions
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>>
>>> Dan Margolis wrote:
>>>
>>> I would like to propose another survey. For everyone on the list
>who's
>>> kundalini is awakened:What practice or experience caused your
>kundalini to
>>> awaken?
>
There has been always this sense of getting the "big picture" from
everything like watching all the sides of the dice instead of the one facing
you.
Shivers through my spine and trembling my whole body started when I was 15
(that is as far as I recall).
The awareness of union (reallity) though individuality (ego) started when I
was 17 and
since then, the path has been increasing in speed.
Once I woke up and I felt this rush of energy that when up towards my head.
I didn´t undestand it at all but felt really good.
There are many other sinthoms which came to me. They just came. Though I
have always been devoted and in touch with an inner voicer that doesn´t
speak with words (and I guess you know what I am talking about).
I have to confess, though, that the opening of my throat chakra was during
an acid trip, when I screamed my guts out (funny and long story). I stoped
somikng pot and taking acid short after. But, anyway, "in the right place
and with the right company" ... I don´t tend to close doors but let thigns
flow. (quote from "Easy Rider").
Somehow, soon after I read about Kundalini and trying to know about it I
became in touch with you people which has been a blessing.
Sometimes though, there comes thins incredible torrents of energy which seem
to be about to break the shell and sometimes I take anxiety pills to slow
myself down a bit. I have been doing meditation with Solar Lion (you are
big, Bob!) and has helped me a lot. It is all about time. "All we need is
just a little patience" (Guns and Roses).
And here I am, 22 years old and trying to channel it well. Have a lot to
learn and some to give (mostly love).
Be well everyone and thanks to life for all of you being here.
A warm hug to you
Roberto
Lima, Peru.
P.S: Regarding someone who talked about Pink Floyd a while ago. Thanks, they
filled me with a lot while a tough time of my life. Have all tehir albums,
from the Barret days to The Division Bell. IMHO, they are not as good as
when Waters was on the ship. I think we all agree on it. "Coming back to
life though" is a big one!
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 13:47:04 -0700
From: "Ed" <lobATnospamlineone.net>
To: "Jason S. White" <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch>,
"Kundalini list" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: A Community of The Spirit
Message-Id: <199804061625.RAA08213ATnospamboober.lineone.net>
> lob,
>
> how do these words find blind spots and remove veils that i didn't know i
> had. wolves are as necessary as shepherds. without wolves the sheep
wander
> aimless, shepherdless. the wolf attacks and devours the careless ones
and
> they are born anew, with new hope, new direction. yet the shepherds have
no
> love of wolves.
>
> i am a carnivore. life feeds on life. ideas feed on ideas. can i come
out
> of prison with even this on my conscience? can the community of the
spirit
> accept even a wolf, having bitten so many?
>
> jason
Dear Jason,
God is Good. God is Love. God kills.
God is the terrified sheep torn to pieces and the teeth and breath of the
voracious wolf.
Understanding and knowing this gives you the teeth of a wolf and heart of a
lamb.
Shiva is the destroyer and this is good.
BUT
those who would take to the path of the base Shiva will be destroyed.
This is why every Master of the Path has extolled people to practice
kindness and humility (for this is harder than for a wolf to lie down
amongst sheep).
So when the wolf cub is adopted by sheep, only the wolf sleeps soundly.
Learn then not to be a wolf in sheeps clothing but a lamb in wolfs
clothing.
Ed in Lobster shell
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 08:32:27 -0500
From: melintonATnospamalison.sbc.edu
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: kundalini questions
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>Dan,
>
>I didn't do a thing, it just happened. I still do not do the things that
>one is supposed to do and She just keeps right on going. Spontaneous
>awakening... it happens all the time. dor
Same here -- he's been after me since I was a kid. Didn't intentionally do
a thing ...
--Liz
The web site you seek
cannot be located but
endless others exist
---- Joy Rothke from Haiku
Error Message competition at Salon
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 22:43:20 +0200
From: "Jason S. White" <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch>
To: "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com>, <lobATnospamlineone.net>,
<kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: A Community of The Spirit
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Gloria Lee wrote:
>>Dearest Jason-Wolfie,
> Welcome to "Wolfs 'R US"...this is a very EX_clusive Club, including
>only those willing to be admitted by admitting. Accepting the
>UN_Acceptable is our Raison D'Etre (Reason for Being). Please leave your
>guilt at the door and join the party!!! Trading Stories is our favorite
>pastime here..."Sheep You have Bitten" sounds like a good one! No one
>really cares How you got here, just glad to see you, Hon!!
>I admit have always had a soft spot in my heart for you, Jason.
>Love, Glo
>PS. Watch your toes, Lobster bites, too!!!
>
Gosh (gulp). I thank you kindly for your soft spot! But really (blushing)
I'm only a wolf when there's a full moon....
Stories... there are stories... but I always skip the play-by-play and jump
right to the moral - which, of course, is ever-unfolding. I wish I could
tell you the story I want to tell you in all it's drama, joy and tragedy,
but it continues to change and never seems to reach any conclusion....
Lots of love. Jason.
PS. Lobster bites, but he has very sensitive antennae!
Date: Sat, 5 Apr 1997 14:22:06 -0800
From: "Ed" <lobATnospamlineone.net>
To: "Imtgxxx" <ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com>, <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Enlightenment (One Mo' Time)
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TG:
> Hellooo List....
>
> Not to bring up a past subject, but heck, I'm gonna do it anyway....
>
> I've been asking myself these questions these past few weeks about the
> discussions on Enlightenment.... Why do some people think/know they are
> enlightened? Why are there so many arguments (ok, discussions) on
whether or
> not someone is enlightened? How will I know when I, or someone else,
would
> be enlightened? What are the traits of Enlightenment? and the questions
go
> on and on....
HIGHER LEVELS OF COMMUNICATION (from Beyond Enlightenment)
The idea that words are only to be used in a precise
and limited way are an anathema to poets and mystic
alike. It is the capacity for language to provide a variety
of meanings that gives it power. It was in this way that
the medieval alchemists conveyed a spiritual system
through a chemical process (outside of church dogma
and hence heretical) and the court jester could use humour
to express wisdom.
The legal, mechanist scientific, bureaucratic, literal
mind has a place in precision and attempted clarity but
in fact limits and confines. When language is used in this
way it can deaden and narrow people, hence the
constant endeavour to widen peoples appreciation of the
possibilities within language. This widening of
possibilities directly relates to peoples understanding of
how the world too is a language with different layers of
meaning.
Where does meaning and communication come from?
From words? From thoughts? From the thoughts
generated by words? In fact it is the tonality of words,
the emphasis, emotion and body language that goes
with this expression that creates the true nature of
communication. The subconscious element of all we say
and do can be observed, understood and eventually
controlled and expressed effectively. Truly great
communicators are both fluid and natural in their
communication skills but more aware of the effects of
the nature and structure of the words that they use.
Language is the most used form of communication.
Using it effectively means being aware of what you want
to say and knowing how to express it. Effective
language is simple and direct. To be powerful as well as
being simple and direct it must be acceptable. To be
acceptable it must be positive.
Not all enlightened people fulfill or follow their full
potential. They have realised their essence but are still
on the journey to completion. Most of them will use the
following to a greater or lesser degree and some not at
all:
1. Speech
Literal speech is the lowest form of communication
that a person can be aware of. However the enlightened
speech may appear literal but it may have other
qualities. Certain words and phrases may be
emphasised, this may sometimes sound like mumbling,
stuttering, incoherence or irrelevant or inappropriate
speech. It is equally true that speech may be so certain
and without doubt that it appears arrogant. Of course
the vast majority of it will appear as normal interaction.
Certain areas of speech and directions of conversation
will be ignored or redirected. Just by the use of speech
people may be made more aware of the possibilities. On
a subconscious level they may be prompted and aided in
ways that the more complete and holistic mind frame
allows for.
2. Body
Non verbal communication is in fact the greater part
of what is being communicated. This is why the
enlightened have learnt to understand and control their
own external body movements to the last blink. The
stilted, constipated, staring self control of those
attempting to be enlightened is the flip side of this.
The enlightened are not constrained or unnatural in
their being. The mudra and spell craft involving
mysterious hand movements is the perverse vestiges of
this knowledge. By utilising the attentive and receptive
phases of body language we may understand such
phrases as "just passing an enlightened person in the
street may be of great importance to the ordinary
person".
Mature and able people use their body language very
sparingly what they do use a lot is their eyes. They
know that when someone says something they want
accepted and developed they look down because this is
submissive. Looking up may trigger the higher response
and to the side will dissuade erroneous thought.
3. Referring to the world as the person
By literally surpassing peoples ideas of what they
are, in order to fulfill their real function, communication
may appear strange. Even when pointed out to a person
the idea of the relationship between object and true
nature may seem unusual. The enlightened often are
directly referring to the true nature of an individual and
drawing out different aspects of this.
Each person can be seen as being directly
represented and reflected in the external world. By
discussing and exploring various aspects of
manifestation the enlightened are in fact exploring and
contacting the universal mind of those they interact
with.
4. Describing others by ascribing qualities to self
Rather than discomfort others by exposing their
weaknesses and idiosyncrasies it may be that the
enlightened will ascribe these qualities to themselves.
Some people are so far removed from their true nature
that they may spend years laughing, deriding or
ignoring someone who is merely acting and reflecting
back their own nature.
5. Creating situations or impacts that reveal and
expose qualities and thought patterns of the
individual
There is a myth and it is persistent and nonsensical,
that one should feel great love and affection for those
that teach us spirituality. Because those that truly care
for us may reveal our negative qualities as readily as our
positive it may not always be easy to bear their
presence. It is for this reason that the greatest teachers
do not always instruct because few are able to bear the
brunt of their insights and exposure of the selfish ego.
6. Presence
A person of virtue and sanctity (whether enlightened
or not) is in alignment with, attracts and radiates
positive qualities. Their presence will be calming,
healing, uplifting and is of subtle benefit. Enlightened
people can sense this quality and are able to recognise
true nature above appearance.
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 22:44:51 +0100
From: Patrick Radford <patrick.radfordATnospamwhich.net>
To: Gayatri S <gayatri100ATnospamhotmail.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Discovering the reptile within
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Gayatri S wrote:
> >> "The only cure now for the current ills
> >> Is that the brilliant galaxy which fills
> >> The chairs of power should be required to gain
> >> Transcendence with attunement of the brain..."
> >> (The Shape of Things To Come, 1st Edition, Gopi Krishna, p. 107)
> >>
> >> Folks, if you don't think kundalini is dangerous, would you please
> read
> >> that passage again? Does anybody know what the hell Gopi Krishna is
> >> talking about?
> >
> >Lucky for you I'm a skilled translator for nonsense.
> >
> >Gopi:
> >"The only cure now for the current ills
> >D.
> >(The only way to a perfect world.)
> >Gopi:
> >Is that the brilliant galaxy which fills
> >The chairs of power should be required to gain
> >Transcendence with attunement of the brain..."
> >D.
> >(The rulers and people of power must be enlightened
> >per requirement via some scientifically controlled and tested method.)
> >
> >Anyway, poetry is like clouds.
> >Reflective clouds.
> >Someone else may see it as something pinched from Star Trek 6
>
> hello kundaliniites!!...lurker sneaking in her 2 cents here....I don't
> know why I'm responding...just that reading in this post triggered
> something in my fingers..and bingo what do you know...my keyboard works
> :)
>
> I think what Gopiji was saying is that to clean up all the mess that us
> humans have made in this world, we have to release and use that radiant
> energy...kundalini shakti(brilliant galaxy) which rests at the base of
> our spine...muladhara chakra(which fills the chairs of power) and allow
> it to flow up the spine towards the brain...to work with what he calls
> attunement of the brain.
>
> The chairs of power he's referring to I think = the seat of that
> primordial energy.
>
>
> That was a great interpretaiton of his message .
Have you checked out this website yet ? Try it and see ..some great photos
of awakened kundalini manofesting light energy spontaneously !Patrick .
>
>
>
>
>
>
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 08:40:55 PDT
From: "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com, melintonATnospamalison.sbc.edu
Subject: Re: kundalini questions
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>From: melintonATnospamalison.sbc.edu
>Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 08:32:27 -0500
>To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
>Subject: Re: kundalini questions
>
>
>>Dan,
>>
>>I didn't do a thing, it just happened. I still do not do the things
that
>>one is supposed to do and She just keeps right on going. Spontaneous
>>awakening... it happens all the time. dor
>
>
>Same here -- he's been after me since I was a kid. Didn't intentionally
do
>a thing ...
>--Liz
Glo Lee:
This reminded me of how no matter how hard I thought I was supposed to
*try*..all was really a gift...beyond any earning or deserving..
the K is just one more of many..not the be all and end all, either, but
very nice gift. I went to sign up for this "School for Women Healers"
based on some ancient Samyama meditation...and my third session just
spontaneously awakened the K..or maybe it was some form of shaktipat..??
Who knows why or why when..really??
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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 12:21:03 -0500 (CDT)
From: hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com (Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D.)
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: kundalini questions
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>
>> Dan Margolis wrote:
>>
>> I would like to propose another survey. For everyone on the list
who's
>> kundalini is awakened:What practice or experience caused your
kundalini to
>> awaken?
>
I had fore-shivers my whole life without knowing what they were. Then
came a slew of losses beginning with the Northridge earthquake. And
then one day two years ago (I was 48), I came home from a therapy
session (with me as the therapized, this time) morose and hopeless
about my history with men (love 'em, but hadn't stayed married very
well), and suddenly I "saw" why we have knots in our psyches (why else
look for God?). Next thing I knew my brain was on fire and I was on
the floor sort of upside down and inverted. No bliss till the second
day -- just astonishing "seeing" -- then the bliss/energy went on for
weeks. I've thought, was it the earthquake? the losses? Now I just
sorta think it was time. Holly
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 18:32:59 -0400
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