1998/04/06 21:10
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #264
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 264
Today's Topics: Is Kundalini Dangerous? A Macrocosmi [ Mark Anthony Collins ]
A Community of The Spirit [ "Ed" ] Re: KL : EGO [ "Ed" ]
Re: A Community of The Spirit [ Danijel Turina ] Re: KL : EGO [ Dan Margolis ]
Re: A Word From Mr. Miagi -- Warning [ Dan Margolis ] Re: KL : EGO [ David Bozzi ]
Re: A Community of The Spirit [ "Gloria Lee" ] Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 01:59:54 -0800
From: Mark Anthony Collins To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
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Now I'm going to get off of the spiritual analysis and go more into a
scientific view of this question...
My belief is that Life is dangerous to those who fear. The degree that you fear is the degree of danger that life has for you.
Now in order to explain my reasoning to a level that won't completely
lose you, I have to go into a little detail.
Scientists have discovered an energy field that exists everywhere throughout the Universe. It radiates from every point in space, in all
directions, with no vibration. It is all the Same. This energy is called Zero Point Energy. It gets it's name since it does not have a vibration,
and thus exists at Absolude Zero, 0 degrees Kelvin.
This much modern science knows. However, from within the constricted view of Quantum Physics, which are now obsolete because of ZPE's
discovery, they cannot see the obvious conclusions which I have seen.
This energy exists all around us. However, matter has a special interaction with it. Matter absorbs a certain amount, which is currently
too small to measure, but the remainder of it actually creates the forces we know as gravity, time, centrifugal force, and the strong and
weak nuclear forces. This Zero Point Energy radiates all around us, and the sum total ZPE radiation of the entire Universe (more or less)
radiates on every single point in the Universe.
Now, atoms are mostly space. Some very small electrons very far away from the nucleus, and some larger particles making up the nucleus. The
ZPE that hits the electrons gives them the energy they need not to be overcome by the attraction of the nucleus and collapse. of the Universe, and we play whatever role in life we want to. However,
there are those that decide to use their power of perception to make life different than this "external world of science" that most
experience. And for each person it is a little different. That's why Caos can allow Science to explain why my life is different than yours.
However, it's simply that way because I created my life, and you created yours.
So, simply put, Kundalini is dangerous to those who believe that it is
dangerous, and danger happens to those who believe that danger is possible. To those how cannot conceive of danger, it never existed...
Whew...
Now that you've seen the totality of this so called reality, I'm tired
and am going to bed so that I can live in my dream world that is a lot less physical and a lot more fun. After all, my subconscious knows the
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From: "Jason S. White" To: "Kundalini"
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to those here i have touched:
who am i to question your answers or answer your questions?
if i love you i should tell you what i think,
what i feel and not what i think you want me to think,
want me to feel.
but who am i to love you so?
this is a busy-ness of words on your computer screen to be read, deleted, filed or ignored
i am a minuscule vibration in an infinite sea of light as you are to me.
but who is the light to love the other light?
let layers strip away to leave light
and an echo of time. let layers build again: heartbeat, sensation, emotion,
ideas of light.
but who is this echo to strip bear the light?
the light that i have touched has shown me love speaks the resonance of light
and light perceives the resonance of love and love and light heal the echoes of time.
who am i but an echo of time.
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From: Danijel Turina To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
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At 21:36 1998.04.03 -0800, you wrote: >(In a bad Mr. Miagi impression, mixing in a little Yoda for good
>measure) >
>Daniel san, familiar are you with a British rock band called Pink Floyd? >Knowed they are in the ways of overcoming the Dark Side...
> >Tell you they will, if you listen to "The Wall"...
> >Yes, tell you they will! Listen to whole CD you must! Skip a song and
>understand you will not. You must complete your training, Luke! >
> >If questions you have, ask me you must!
> >Yoda.
You too much TV, Macman san, very too much. :)))))))) LOL :)))))))
(You don't know the power of the dark side. Come, my son, let us complete
your training. - Danijel Vader ;>> )
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> Hermetic Principles
> Excerpts from the KYBALION > Teachings of HERMES TRISMEGISTUS
Hi Bob (or do you prefer Solar?)
> FOR CONSIDERATION >
> "The lips of wisdom are closed, > except to the ears of the understanding."
What is this ceaseless racket
that one needs to keep ones ears open for?
> " Where fall the footsteps of the Master,
> the ears of those ready for his Teaching open wide."
Ah, you have come across the dreaded ear flattening Alchemist adepts :-)
> "When the ears of the student are ready to hear, > then cometh the lips to fill them with Wisdom."
Know any good jokes?
> "The Principles of TRUTH are Seven; he who knows these, > understandingly, possesses the Magic Key before
> whose touch all the Doors of the Temple fly open." >
> 1. The principle of mentalism > " THE ALL is MIND: The Universe is Mental."
Mental? Positevely barmy.
> 2. The principle of correspondence > "As above, so below; as below, so above."
As Sideways, so backwards
If on top better still
> 3. The principle of vibration
> "Nothing rests; everything moves; everything vibrates."
Kinky stuff this Hermeticism "I'm all a tingle"
> 4. The principle of polarity > "Everything is Dual; everything has poles;
> everything has its pair of opposites; > like and unlike are the same;
> opposites are identical in nature, > but different in degree; extremes meet;
> all truths are but half truths; > all paradoxes may be reconciled."
I believe Polish jokes are no longer PC in America
these sorts of principles seem to work well with batteries
> 5. The principle of rhythm
> "Everything flows, out and in; > everything has its tides;
> the pendulum-swing manifests in everything; > the measure of the swing to the right
> is the measure of the swing to the left; > rhythm compensates."
As I said . . .
Kinky stuff this Hermeticism "I'm all a tingle"
> 6. The principle of cause and effect > "Every Cause has its Effect;
> every Effect has its Cause; > everything happens according to Law;
> Chance is but a name for Law not recognized; > there are many planes of causation,
> but nothing escapes the Law."
Well then we need to find nothing if we want any chance of escaping
> 7. The principle of gender > "Gender is in everything;
> everything has its Masculine and Feminine Principles; > Gender manifests on all planes,"
This is certainly true of American Airlines . . .
> THE ALL > "Under, and back of, the Universe of Time, Space and change,
> is ever to be found The Substantial Reality > - the Fundamental Truth."
Who says?
Nobody has been there the travelling expenses are too great
> "THAT which is the Fundamental Truth - > the Substantial Reality - is beyond
> true naming, but the Wise Men call it THE ALL."
Well this Theall of the wise men is certainly beyond me
> "In its Essence, THE ALL is UNKNOWABLE." >
> "But the report of Reason must be hospitably received, > and treated with respect."
Is it reasonable to respect
the Unknowable? It's a bit like being kind
to people you will never meet Better to show respect where it is appreciated
in the Real world Now all that is said is knowable
Respect and reason is known and knowable The All is irrelevant
> THE MENTAL UNIVERSE > "The Universe is Mental - held in the Mind of THE ALL."
> > "THE ALL creates in its Infinite Mind countless Universes,
> which exist for aeons of Time - and yet, to THE ALL, > the creation, development, decline and death of a
> million Universes is as the time of the twinkling of an eye." >
> "The Infinite Mind of THE ALL is the womb of Universes." >
> "Within the Father-Mother Mind, mortal children are at home." >
> "There is not one who is Fatherless, > nor Motherless in the Universe."
So?
The Universe is big?
> THE DIVINE PARADOX
> "The half-wise, recognizing the comparative unreality of > the Universe, imagine that they may defy its Laws
> - such are vain and presumptuous fools, and they are > broken against the rocks and torn asunder by the elements
> by reason of their folly. The truly wise, knowing the nature > of the Universe, use Law against laws;
> the higher against the lower; > and by the Art of Alchemy transmute that which is
> undesirable into that which is worthy, and thus triumph. > Mastery consists not in abnormal dreams,
> visions and fantastic imaginings or living, > but in using the higher higher forces against the lower
> - escaping the pains of the lower planes by vibrating on > the higher. Transmution, not presumptuous denial,
> is the weapon of the Master."
CHAOS
Infinity will inevitably lead to improbability
It is always the foolish and immature that wishes to be treated as if it is the opposite. When the condition
of the metal is known, then are the means to transformation also present. The catalytic nature of Our
Stone is dependent on the degree of refinement. The higher or closer the material, the simpler the
transformation. The realisation of perfection is through the
manifestation of imperfection. We assert source, action and effect, implying truth above knowability as follows:
1. Phenomena independent of causality 2. Events outside of time
3. Being without existence. The infinite can not be limited by existence, to be
beyond limitation must not exist. Infinity will inevitably lead to improbability. Verification is
internal, personal and unprovable but may be communicable through the creation of favourable conditions. We assert
that Deity is aware of deity and creates the conditions from which we may share this experience.
When seven merges with infinity it is the seven that gains. Infinity neither gains nor loses for it contains
all that is. The limitations of creation leads to limitlessness. The beggar wakes up to find he is a king
and in joy gives away all his wealth. The dream has become a reality.
The virtues of a substance are in that substance without recourse to another. Each substance is complete
and complemented by its relationship to another. From an understanding of the nature of substances the alchemist
attunes to a deepening understanding of all things. Through an understanding of the microcosmic we develop a
knowing of the macrocosmic. Your work and life contains the meaning and knowledge required; attend to it.
In a chaotic universe, the recognition and travelling in a pattern is dependent on the wholeness of
the chaos. The ordered universe is a construct from the myriad possibilities. True structure is chaos, yet chaos
contains structure. It is the evolution of the multiplicity to the monad that creates the substance of
its own past. The effect of its being is its own causality.
In our finitude with a vision of infinity, we evolve to a point capable of creating our own past and knowing
the route that has been taken. We know the route has been travelled for we are doing so. Due to the complexity of
the constructs we should be wary of truth as a constant stateable absolute for this is open to change. Change is
not that absolute either.
A A Aziz
(c) 1996 The GREEN STone
Lobster
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 19:23:01 -0800 From: "Ed"
To: "Kundalini list" Subject: A Community of The Spirit
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A Community of The Spirit
There is a community of the spirit. Join in, and feel the delight
of walking in the noisy street, and being the noise.
Drink all your passion,
and be a disgrace.
Close both eyes to see with the other eye.
Open your hands,
if you want to be held.
Sit down in this circle.
Quit acting like a wolf, and feel the shepherd's love filling you.
At night, your beloved wanders.
Don't accept consolations.
Close your mouth against food. Taste the lover's mouth in yours.
You moan, "She left me." "He left me."
Twenty more will come.
Be empty of worrying. Think of who created thought!
Why do you stay in prison
when the door is so wide open?
Move outside the tangle of fear-thinking. Live in silence.
Flow down and down in always
widening rings of being.
There's a strange frenzy in my head, of birds flying,
each particle circulating on its own, Is the one I love everywhere?
Rumi
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 21:26:09 -0800 From: "Ed"
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Jan:
< The stray dogs I meet and feed when hiking do the very same. They are hungry and only eat. When they are tired they only sleep. They are ever
living in the "now" but they don´t claim to be Zen masters. And they don´t
hit me with a stick :-) >>
Harsha: Yes Jan. The dogs do not claim to be Zen masters. That is because
they are humble. You have overlooked that very important quality. And yes they
do not hit you with a stick. That is because they find it difficult to pick up
sticks (no thumbs you see).
Hah! You have obviously been hanging out with the wrong dogs.
Dogs are not Zen masters or humble - they are just dogs. Here is a simple test: throw a stick and shout "fetch". If the Zen Master does not bring the
stick to you he is a dog. If the dog (assuming normality) does not he is a Zen Dog (this is called Dogchen in Tibet).
I also have other tests for Gurus, Sufis and other lesser canines.
All thumbs and claws
Lobster Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 12:46:57 +0200
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At 19:23 1997.04.03 -0800, you wrote: >A Community of The Spirit
> >There is a community of the spirit.
>Join in, and feel the delight >of walking in the noisy street,
>and being the noise. >
>Drink all your passion, >and be a disgrace.
> >Close both eyes
>to see with the other eye. >
>Open your hands, >if you want to be held.
> >Sit down in this circle.
> >Quit acting like a wolf, and feel
>the shepherd's love filling you. >
>At night, your beloved wanders. >Don't accept consolations.
> >Close your mouth against food.
>Taste the lover's mouth in yours. >
>You moan, "She left me." "He left me." >Twenty more will come.
> >Be empty of worrying.
>Think of who created thought! >
>Why do you stay in prison >when the door is so wide open?
> >Move outside the tangle of fear-thinking.
>Live in silence. >
>Flow down and down in always >widening rings of being.
> >There's a strange frenzy in my head,
>of birds flying, >each particle circulating on its own,
>Is the one I love everywhere? >
>Rumi
Wow! :) I was reading this, and in the middle of the poem I started wondering, like, I must have judged Lobster wrongly - this is deep,
compassionate, enlightened and powerfully kind. :))) Rumi. :) Well, that explains things. :))))
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Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 04:14:13 -0800 (PST) From: pam roberson
To: themacmanATnospammacsrule.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: A Word From Mr. Miagi -- Warning: Very Silly Content!
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--Mark Anthony Collins wrote:
> > (In a bad Mr. Miagi impression, mixing in a little Yoda for good
> measure) >
> Daniel san, familiar are you with a British rock band called Pink Floyd?
> Knowed they are in the ways of overcoming the Dark Side... >
> Tell you they will, if you listen to "The Wall"... >
> Yes, tell you they will! Listen to whole CD you must! Skip a song and > understand you will not. You must complete your training, Luke!
> >
> If questions you have, ask me you must! >
> Yoda.
Ah yes, but this only works if one also practices the "wax on wax off" ritual in conjunction with the guru floyd's lyrical muses. :D>
>
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From: Dan Margolis To: Am
CC: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com Subject: Re: KL : EGO
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Am wrote:
> >I would say an enlightened person lives totally and completely in the NOW. >
> WHOOHOO! Sandeep: In that case, I've been enlightened for the last 11 years.
How can you talk about the last 11 years if your completely in the NOW? Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 08:07:50 -0800
From: Dan Margolis To: lobATnospamlineone.net, Kundalini Mailing List
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> You have obviously been hanging out with the wrong dogs.
> Dogs are not Zen masters or humble - they are just dogs. Here is a simple > test: throw a stick and shout "fetch". If the Zen Master does not bring the
> stick to you he is a dog. If the dog (assuming normality) does not he is a > Zen Dog (this is called Dogchen in Tibet).
> I also have other tests for Gurus, Sufis and other lesser canines.
But what if the dog doesn't speak English? What's 'fetch' in the language of dogs or Zen Dogs?
And of course the ultimate question:
Does a Dog have Buddha Nature? Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 08:37:40 PST
From: "Gloria Lee" To: themacmanATnospammacsrule.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, pamie59ATnospamyahoo.com
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>--Mark Anthony Collins wrote: >>
>> (In a bad Mr. Miagi impression, mixing in a little Yoda for good >> measure)
>> >> Daniel san, familiar are you with a British rock band called Pink
>Floyd? >> Knowed they are in the ways of overcoming the Dark Side...
>> >> Tell you they will, if you listen to "The Wall"...
>> >> Yes, tell you they will! Listen to whole CD you must! Skip a song and
>> understand you will not. You must complete your training, Luke! >>
>> >> If questions you have, ask me you must!
>> >> Yoda.
>Pam wrote: >Ah yes, but this only works if one also practices the "wax on wax off"
>ritual in conjunction with the guru floyd's lyrical muses. :D> >>
G.Lee: When they rip off "OUR" music..are they admitting we knew it ALL way
back then?? I used to wonder how these kids became so wise.. now I see they listen to our music.
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From: Dan Margolis To: Gloria Lee
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Gloria Lee wrote:
> >--Mark Anthony Collins wrote: > >>
> >> (In a bad Mr. Miagi impression, mixing in a little Yoda for good > >> measure)
> >> > >> Daniel san, familiar are you with a British rock band called Pink
> >Floyd? > >> Knowed they are in the ways of overcoming the Dark Side...
> >> > >> Tell you they will, if you listen to "The Wall"...
> >> > >> Yes, tell you they will! Listen to whole CD you must! Skip a song and
> >> understand you will not. You must complete your training, Luke! > >>
> >> > >> If questions you have, ask me you must!
> >> > >> Yoda.
> >Pam wrote: > >Ah yes, but this only works if one also practices the "wax on wax off"
> >ritual in conjunction with the guru floyd's lyrical muses. :D> > >>
> G.Lee: > When they rip off "OUR" music..are they admitting we knew it ALL way
> back then?? I used to wonder how these kids became so wise.. now I see > they listen to our music.
>
When took ownership of YOUR music did you get a title or deed to it? Without a receipt you can't prove anything. ;)
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 09:02:24 PST From: "Gloria Lee"
To: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, zymphtATnospambluewin.ch Subject: Re: genuine/reply
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>From: "Jason S. White"
>To: "Kundalini" >Subject: genuine
>Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 11:43:55 +0200 >
>to those here i have touched: >who am i to question your answers or
>answer your questions? >snip
>but who am i to love you so?
> >
>the light that i have touched has shown me >love speaks the resonance of light
>and light perceives the resonance of love >and love and light heal the echoes of time.
> >who am i but an echo of time.
> >Dear Jason....who you are is a poet...among others
>From "The Listener" (in book, "The Voice of The Master") by Kahlil Gibran
What could have been another song entitled "Song of the
Wind":
"...Into the ears of the rose you whisper a secret whose meaning she grasps; often she is troubled--then she rejoices.
Such is the way of God with the soul of Man...you write your songs on the face of the waters; then you erase them.
So does the poet when he is creating...Are you the same frolicsome breeze that trembles with the dawn among the
leaves and branches and flits like a dream through the windings of the valleys where the flowers bow in greeting
and where the grass droops heavy-lidded with the intoxication of your breath?...
You rise from the oceans and shake their silent depths
from your tresses...Are you the selfsame gentle breeze that caresses the locks of children as the play around their
homes?...In the still night, hearts reveal their secrets to you. And at dawn, eyes open at your gentle touch. Are you
mindful of what the heart has felt or the eyes have seen."
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Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 12:22:55 -0500 From: David Bozzi
To: Kundalini Subject: Re: KL : EGO
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Ed wrote:
> Here is a simple > test: throw a stick and shout "fetch". If the Zen Master does not bring the
> stick to you he is a dog.
More likely he is a cat. Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 09:28:57 PST
From: "Gloria Lee" To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, lobATnospamlineone.net
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>From: "Ed" >
> >A Community of The Spirit
> >
>Be empty of worrying. >Think of who created thought!
> >Why do you stay in prison
>when the door is so wide open? >
>Move outside the tangle of fear-thinking. >Live in silence.
> >Flow down and down in always
>widening rings of being. >
>There's a strange frenzy in my head, >of birds flying,
>each particle circulating on its own, >Is the one I love everywhere?
> >Rumi
> G. Lee: as thanks >
>From "Rooms" by Miguel Marti I. Pol, written by a dying poet
It will come, perhaps, a still evening, fragile, a useless, majestical sunset
that no one admires, Deep and clear, the night will swallow it. To start
again the game at this point requires no renunciation.
There will only be the presence of memories, a lost lake at the back of the mind
and a veil of mist that does not blur the eyes; signals of nothing endlessly repeating.
The ford can be crossed with dry feet. Afterwards a ray of sun
that strikes the stones will reveal the voices.
Everything is known,
but so deeply it always astounds.
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