1998/04/01 17:41
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #254
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 254
Today's Topics:
Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource [ Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iis ]
Re: pranayama [ "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail. ]
Unidentified subject! [ "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.or ]
Re: pranayama [ stuartf <stuartfATnospamdimensional.com> ]
The knowing [ "Ed" <lobATnospamlineone.net> ]
Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource [ "Ed" <lobATnospamlineone.net> ]
RE: Dangers of kundalini awakening [ Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley ]
Re: Dangers of kundalini awakening [ Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospambryant.edu> ]
Re: Forwarded:After Death Communicat [ "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com> ]
RE: Shakti poll [ "Jan Barendrecht" <janbarenATnospamcorreo. ]
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 22:35:33 +0530 (IST)
From: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>
To: Jon Locke <voltronATnospamvoy.net>
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Hi Jon,
I think drugs won't be of any use in this process of kundalini
awakening. Kundalini cleanses the body and starts rising only if
the body(nadis) are clean and you want to raise it
through drugs. I think you should try to be patient about
the yogic practices and their results.
Love,
anurag
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On Wed, 1 Apr 1998, Jon Locke wrote:
> Dear People, This is my first post to the Kundalini list. I began meditating in 1967 according to Yogananda's teaching. I experienced great bliss for 3 days adn nights. But it was too great and I chased it away with drugs. I regret I have not been able to get it back. This has casued severe depression
> and periods of sadness and regret. I would appreciate any help anyone can give me. Thank you, Jon Locke
>
>
Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 12:19:21 PST
From: "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com, stuartfATnospamdimensional.com
Subject: Re: pranayama
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Stuart wrote:
>Since you somehow miraculously define my philosophy as "do your own
thing" ,
>"don't worry it'll be cool if you mean well", I realize that you
neither
>know me, read my words carefully, nor taken the time to question me as
to
>what I was implying or practicing.
I've never met you. I only have what you wrote and if I have unjustly
grouped you in with a group other than the one you identify with, you
have my apologies. It is just that writing off the wisdom of the ages by
discounting the warnings that come from them is consistant in New Age
b.s. I described and your response.
>You have missed the mark though
>completely and defined me as I'm sure you define others in your own
world
>who do not sympathetically agree with everything you state.
Wrong, I simply passed along what the Rishis taught. It may seem a bit
dull and plodding to the modern world. In fact it has only one thing to
recommend it. It works. Bringing ego into this discussion shows a
significant amount of projection in your mental process. It would be a
good idea to consider that in the future.
>
>Joseph, I don't believe you could do anything for my happiness. The
fact
>that you would even imply I pay you to back up your own empty arguments
for
>the sake my happiness is absorb. Perhaps it is the astral gunk lodged
in
>your nadi's that is causing such a illogical, judgemental and critical
>analysis.
Since you started this bit of ignoring the ideas and being insulting in
you initial response and insist on escalating it to personal insults I
see no further reason to discuss this with you. If you do care about the
ideas (not evident in anything you've written to me) your interest is
overshadowed you your own ego and poor manners and lack of wisdom.
Joe
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Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 14:24:58 -0600 (CST)
From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
To: Jon Locke <voltronATnospamvoy.net>, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Unidentified subject!
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Jon Penned From Planet Earth:
<<Dear People, This is my first post to the Kundalini list. I began
meditating in 1967 according to Yogananda's teaching. I experienced great
bliss for 3 days adn nights. But it was too great and I chased it away
with drugs. I regret I have not been able to
get it back. This has casued severe depression and periods of sadness and
regret. I would appreciate any help anyone can give me. Thank you, Jon
Locke>>
janpa writes> Woh!! you've been meditating longer than i've been alive.
That's a trip for this little brain.
Though occurred to me. one of my teachers, followed up by another one said
to me 'dont get stuck on these things' in response to some wonderful
thingy that came up in meditation. "They come and go like gadflies" is my
take on it.
Bliss, visions, etc he compared to a busy asian market. My mantra was the
train tunneling right thru the middle of it all.... the sound of the train
was the mantra itself.
bliss is way major cool, but its not the end of the journey, its more of a
distraction, after a while its a pain. it doesnt last, at least the kind
that occurs from energy releases. the stuff that lasts is more subtle and
its in EVERYTHING!
kinda like, to experience true happiness u gotta let go of the things that
cause suffering. therein is the destination of the train thru the
market... dont break ur feets on desire's bumpy brick sidewalks.
my take on it,
maitri,
--janpa
Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 14:51:06 -0700
From: stuartf <stuartfATnospamdimensional.com>
To: joemillerATnospamhotmail.com
CC: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: pranayama
Message-ID: <3522B6C8.B20050DFATnospamdimensional.com>
Joseph it was you who started the insults, you who has the ego problems, and
you who clearly shows that you lack basic communication skills, including
basic listening skills.
There's no reason to waste the bandwidth here but if anyone is interested
I'll gladly go back and show every post I made to this thread.
Then again Joseph,you show your true colors when you direct at me such
inflammatory remarks as -("Joseph's words: Perhaps it is due to a higher
order of foolishness, perhaps it is racism these people did have a different
skin tone")
Joseph, in my 41 years of this life I've come across and touched and been
touched enough intelligent truly spiritual souls. Your initial comments and
further responses is enough indication to me that you lack some finer
qualities.
My one request is that you no longer send me email.
Namaste,
Stuart
Joseph Miller wrote:
> Stuart wrote:
> >Since you somehow miraculously define my philosophy as "do your own
> thing" ,
> >"don't worry it'll be cool if you mean well", I realize that you
> neither
> >know me, read my words carefully, nor taken the time to question me as
> to
> >what I was implying or practicing.
>
> I've never met you. I only have what you wrote and if I have unjustly
> grouped you in with a group other than the one you identify with, you
> have my apologies. It is just that writing off the wisdom of the ages by
> discounting the warnings that come from them is consistant in New Age
> b.s. I described and your response.
>
> >You have missed the mark though
> >completely and defined me as I'm sure you define others in your own
> world
> >who do not sympathetically agree with everything you state.
>
> Wrong, I simply passed along what the Rishis taught. It may seem a bit
> dull and plodding to the modern world. In fact it has only one thing to
> recommend it. It works. Bringing ego into this discussion shows a
> significant amount of projection in your mental process. It would be a
> good idea to consider that in the future.
>
> >
> >Joseph, I don't believe you could do anything for my happiness. The
> fact
> >that you would even imply I pay you to back up your own empty arguments
> for
> >the sake my happiness is absorb. Perhaps it is the astral gunk lodged
> in
> >your nadi's that is causing such a illogical, judgemental and critical
> >analysis.
>
> Since you started this bit of ignoring the ideas and being insulting in
> you initial response and insist on escalating it to personal insults I
> see no further reason to discuss this with you. If you do care about the
> ideas (not evident in anything you've written to me) your interest is
> overshadowed you your own ego and poor manners and lack of wisdom.
>
> Joe
>
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Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 09:19:16 -0800
From: "Ed" <lobATnospamlineone.net>
To: "Kundalini list" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: The knowing
Message-Id: <199804012158.WAA14064ATnospamboober.lineone.net>
>on 29 Mar 98, Jason S. White wrote...
Yet there is nothing mysterious about that mystery. It is present here and
now for us to fail to understand. Is it love or is it Love that is
inadequate? What's the True Difference? Is it simply a Capital Letter
that
invokes a Different Interpretation? My Interpretation now sees, love and
Love are inadequate to fail to understand that mystery whose concealment is
revealed presently.
What is adequate? This tumble of words, thoughts, forms, emotions and
sensations is adequate for that mystery. Absolute Simplicity.
love and Love,
Jason.
---------
To question your answer is impossible
To do the impossible is the answer
Imagine a world and then enter it
Ask Again
from that world imagine a world
Ask again
Words are meaningless unless invested
- empowered
Even then they must go beyond themselves
They must be the experience
rather than the description
The knowing
rather than the telling
The end
of all beginnings
The Lobster
finished.
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 08:57:58 -0800
From: "Ed" <lobATnospamlineone.net>
To: <voltronATnospamvoy.net>
Cc: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
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> From: Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D. <hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com>
> To: voltronATnospamvoy.net
> You wrote:
> >
> >Dear People, This is my first post to the Kundalini list. I began
> meditating in 1967 according to Yogananda's teaching. I experienced
> great bliss for 3 days adn nights. But it was too great and I chased it
> away with drugs. I regret I have not been able to get it back. This has
> casued severe depression
> >and periods of sadness and regret. I would appreciate any help anyone
> can give me. Thank you, Jon Locke
My Dear Friend,
Meditate in this way:
Bring your attention to the time of great Bliss.
Remember how it felt, feel and sense through the memory of that bliss.
Do not try and bring it back but remember and recall and flow more into the
memory. Explore the sense of joy, the feeling of freedom. Start to place
more and more of your being into the Bliss.
You will begin to feel and understand a greater maturity and sober form of
bliss. Give it time and commitment.
Move the bliss that you remember into the depression, sadness and regret.
See and feel it radiating away this negativity. Think in terms of years to
achieve the bliss, instant results come and go. Let us try and and find and
maintain.
GREAT JOY to you
Lobster
> >
> >
> Many of us had early experiences with awakening that were overwhelming
> or that we didn't understand and therefore honor. I ran away from what
> I "knew" twice -- once when I was very small and then again in my 20's.
> I still feel like running away at times. But, as somebody said
> earlier, nothing is ever lost. Your longing is itself the way back.
> Best wishes, Holly
>
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 14:12:37 -0800
From: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
To: "'Mary Ezzell'" <maryATnospamsonic.net>,
"kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com"
<kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: RE: Dangers of kundalini awakening
Message-ID: <01BD5D78.39BB5940.keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
At 06:53 PM 3/30/98 -0800, Kurt Keutzer wrote:
>her sister blames her entire history of mental illness on kundalini and in
>fact her sister showed no signs of mental illness until some years of
>practicing a form of kundalini yoga.
Mary says:
What else went on during these years? Did her practice awaken k? How long
did she practice before it awakened? How did her yoga group behave when she
started having trouble?
Mary:
IE, was it k itself that was her problem, or maybe some long harsh
practices, or something else altogeher?
KK: She attributes her awakening to shaktipat. I don't think that she
practiced any exercises. I think it was about 9 years before she had
serious problems but she attributes this to a particularly strong infusion
of shakti from her teacher.
KK:
>On the other hand I have been corresponding for some time with members of
>Yogi Bhajan's 3HO group and they have often pointed to their apparently
>flawless (hard to believe) record regarding their members and mental
>illness associated with kundalini.
>
>So between these two extreme viewpoints I thought it was time to rethink
>the ``dangers'' part of my kundalini FAQ - comments are appreciated.
>Kurt
Mary:
On a hasty reading....
Seems to me, a person coming to this list/FAQ would either be already
having some k awakening, or considering wheter to try to awaken it.
If they're already having some, then talking about dangers etc inherent in
k doesn't seem very productive. If they get scared and try to repress it,
won't that make things worse?
I guess some psychologists who aren't having k might research it. For them,
is it a good idea to emphasize dangers? There's been some progress in
getting psych people to distinguish between k and psychosis. Wouldn't like
to see them decide, "Well, k is just another form/cause of psychosis ... or
is just as bad ... so better lock them up."
If somebody isn't having any k yet and is just thinking about trying to
force it, then some warnings might be in order. Or some recommendations to
places to get it safely.
KK: the FAQ is not particularly tied to this list. It is out there at a
number of different sites and is for some people the first thing they read
on kundalini.
I think that your point about awakened people getting afraid is a good
thing for me to think about. Doubt can be very detrimental. I've had a
number of people tell me that my FAQ's are balanced and a good antidote, er
compliment, to Gopi K's writings which many view as quite extreme. Still if
one recently awakened person who was having good experiences went away
saying ``oh gosh, what have I gotten myself into'' then that would be
unfortunate. On the other had they are soon to get the scoop from someone
so maybe it is best to put the ``danger'' view in context. Am I babbling
yet - anyway, I'll give it some more thought.
Mary:
How about instaed of treating each question from both views, break it up
into 2 FAQs, one for "If you're already having spontaneous experiences or
dealing with people who are" and one for "If you've had no experineces and
want to induce some".
Just generally, it's confusing to read the kind of manual that's always
giving 2 answers to each question. "If you have Volkswagen type 1, then do
this, but if you have VW type 2 then do that."
Mary
KK: It seems that you haven't read the FAQ's. I already have 3 - depending
on the approach people are interested in taking - I'd hate to break it up
more than that. More generally
giving multiple answers to one question is my specialty!
There are hundreds if not thousands of people out there who will say:
``Look Mary, this is the way it is. We've got it all figured out.'' Many
people like that approach - some times for years. But one day something
happens that doesn't fit the model - and then, particularly Western
educated people - the whole thing starts to unravel.
Swami Chetanananda has a great version of this. I'm only paraphrasing from
memory but basically from what I remember he says that traditionally in
Eastern spirituality there are two paths:
There's the prescriptive path where it's all figured out and you get lots
of direction and there's an answer for everything. In this path 99% of all
people get lost in the minutiae and mistake the ``finger for the moon''.
Then there's the undirected path. Nothing is spelled out. You're on your
own. You get a wink from the Guru and that's about it. And in this path
99.9% of people just plain get lost.
So the alternative seems to be just to try to honestly ``call it as you see
it'' - or at least that's how I take the story.
Thanks for your comments
Kurt
Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 17:48:40 -0500
From: Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospambryant.edu>
To: "keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu" <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
CC: "'Mary Ezzell'" <maryATnospamsonic.net>,
"kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Dangers of kundalini awakening
Message-ID: <3522C448.95F27A9DATnospambryant.edu>
Kurt Keutzer wrote:
> There's the prescriptive path where it's all figured out and you get lots
> of direction and there's an answer for everything. In this path 99% of all
> people get lost in the minutiae and mistake the ``finger for the moon''.
> Then there's the undirected path. Nothing is spelled out. You're on your
> own. You get a wink from the Guru and that's about it. And in this path
> 99.9% of people just plain get lost.
>
Harsha: Kurt, I don't mean any disrespect for Swami Chetaananda but if that is
what he said about Eastern traditions it seems a bit simplistic. Either
everything is spelled out or the Guru continuously winks at you or winks
according to your spiritual need? I have experienced many things but not the
Guru Wink. Perhaps Anandajyoti has.
> So the alternative seems to be just to try to honestly ``call it as you see
> it'' - or at least that's how I take the story.
>
> Thanks for your comments
> Kurt
You are welcome:-) notice-no winking symbol.
Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 14:55:44 PST
From: "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com
Subject: Re: Forwarded:After Death Communications*,
Message-ID: <19980401225545.22382.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
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,
>
>>Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 08:36:49 -0500
>>From: Madonna
>>To: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
>>Subject: (no subject)
>>
>>Mystress, I liked your response to **After Death Communications*
>>With this string of After Death experiences with loved ones...
>>I thought it finally time I came out of lurk mode for a bit.
>>Just felt compelled to share...
>>Feel free to share this with the list, If possible just remove my last
>>name?
>>************
G.lee here: Mystress i hope you will forward to Madonna our thanks for
sharing her story about her son, Garth. It confirms, once again, that
love makes all things possible, and that even the most severely
handicapped can teach the rest of us lessons thru their spirit.
She also reminded me of a dream I once had of a "talking baby"..the
dream concerned my efforts to protect and keep this talking baby a
secret, so no one would attempt to exploit this unusual
circumstance..assuming it meant some genius had been born.
Also, my oldest son, who had perfect vision till he was 13, suddenly
lost most of it thru some one in a million unknown cause.
Thru his years attending the School for the Deaf and Blind, he brought
many of his friends home to visit on weekends, since we lived relatively
closer than most of the other students. It was a real privilege to get
to know the sweet spirits of these children. It is perhaps for this
reason that I react so strongly against any suggestion that the
spiritual life depends on just intellect or any other outward appearance
of accomplishment.
Madonna's story appearing during this discussion of "enlightenment"
seems no mere coincidence to me..and I wish to thank her for "showing"
better than I would be able to "tell" the true essence of spiritual
life.
>>2 1/2 years ago My eldest son passed over.
>>His life here was physically and developmentally were very restricted.
>>Many would call him *severly handicapped*
>>To have such problems with your newborn...is a parents worse
>>nightmare..
>>and initially for me....it was aswell.
>>...Over the next 18 years however,...a growth with-in me occurred...
>>from those initial feelings of isolation, rejection, terror....small
>>mindedness....
>>But through what my own son's life reflected......grew this immense
and
>>very
>>deep knowing and understanding of what really matters, of truth.
>>
>>Him and I were connected...he could not talk in the traditional
>>sense...but we could **feel** each other...just knowing...and it was
>>through 18 years of this..that I understood that we *all* are indeed
>>connected at much deeper levels than that which we usually are
conscious
>>of.
>>
<SNIP OF HER POST>
...
>>
>>When I think of Garth..which is daily, ...
>>I know what the light of Christ within us all means ...
it was the love and touch and feeling of
>>others...that
>>contributed to his physical, spiritual, and total well-being...
>>and he was genuinely content with that....
friends...
>>He changed minds...veiws...perceptions...he changed people...
>>He was a spark....that simply through his gentle pure smile..
>>lite up the souls around him...
>>He taught...true...unconditional Love...pure and simple...
>>
>>The spirit, energy consciousness, knowledge that we are one..
>>is offered to us in many forms...
Thank you Madonna for explaining "enlightenment" without using the
word..
Thank you for sharing your son with us...
G.lee
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Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:04:32 +0100
From: "Jan Barendrecht" <janbarenATnospamcorreo.infase.es>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: RE: Shakti poll
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It is an interesting model. However, another property is selectivity. It
would account for the fact that few are insensitive for a Satguru (highest
power). The model deserves to be developed even further. Every sentient
being is equipped with both a receiver (rx) and a transmitter (tx). The path
of self-realization means that the receiver (rx) is permanently improved.
Enlightenment then, means that one's rx starts receiving one's tx.
Insufficient knowledge (no master for initiation) will often result in a
wrong interpretation - the reception is thought to originate from the
highest possible source: one with full authority. In other words, AS VERY
IMPORTANT... The model indicates that the start of enlightenment will be
different for everyone. With Self-realization a discontinuity takes place.
Instead of an individual tx, it will be experienced that there is only one
tx - the same one for everyone. This tx uses one carrier with sub-carriers
and all possible (combinable) forms of modulation (methods to put
information onto the carrier). How could the seemingly sudden change take
place? The individual carrier (initiated by the master) was conveying
information to build a superior receiver with the possibility of further
expansion. The new rx ready for use means the old rx can be discarded of.
The new rx has a direction-finder so the illusion of the individual tx is
gone. The model shows that some of the views now will be radically changed,
but not all. Because the construction of the new rx took a long time, some
of the attitudes for its construction will be kept, despite the fact that
they now are obsolete. Although for a silent saint the reason to remain
silent will be gone, it will take some time before the new rx conveys the
tiny signals from those nearby: "talk to us please". The realized saint will
give in of course. For a Bodhisattva the situation will be different. The rx
will be further engineered to a sensivity and selectivity, enabling the
reception of weak tx-es from all sentient beings. The model leaves plenty of
room for all other realized ones. They differ only in rx (responsiveness) -
not in tx (power) nor in information (shakti). But the responsiveness is
transmitted also - it is on one of the strong sub-carriers. If you have a
response on its frequency, you just found your guru. As with any model, it
has its flaws. But it explains some issues that cannot be properly addressed
to otherwise.
More down to earth there could be implications too. A school teacher with
shakti undoubtedly will influence students, even those with a better talent
for other disciplines. Those students would feel rather unmotivated when
having to continue under a teacher with no shakti, possibly to the extent of
changing their study or even dropping out. If the effect can be quantified
(in terms of lost years or bad results) it could be an incentive to
introduce meditation in schools in a form that doesn't create a
contradiction or conflict with existing religions. This would enable
students to be (more) conscious of their choices in life.
IMO, Kurt presented us with an excellent subject to reflect upon...
Jan
>> Kurt Keutzer [mailto:keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu] wrote:
> >
>
> Here's the way I model it:
>
> There's a transmitter (shakti source) the medium (who knows) and
> the receiver (you) and the message ( the shakti)
>
> The shakti has (at least) two characteristics - amplitude (power)
> and frequency (quality)
>
> Different transmitters transmit at different frequencies (e.g.
> sweetness ) with varying power
> Different receivers can pick up different frequencies with
> different degrees of sensitivity.
>
> Since kundalini-l has so many receivers - I think we will get an
> interesting perspective on what's playing out there on the waves.
>
> Kurt
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dirk Haueter [SMTP:Dirk_HaueterATnospamhrsoft.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 1998 9:09 AM
> To: Kurt Keutzer; 'kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com'
> Subject: RE: Shakti poll
>
> Dear Kurt,
> This is indeed a fun poll. I'm curious here hear some of the
> replies. What you
> get will be more about the observer however. I'll give you an
> example. One of
> the people on your list is HH Dalai Lama. In 1987 I was in India
> with my teacher
> Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. My mother also happen to be passing
> through India on some
> tour. She was going to see the Dalai Lama so I was persuaded to go along.
> Wonderful man. Very charming. Wonderful sense of humor but I felt
> no buzz. I
> could not understand at the time why people got so excited about
> him. I did not
> feel anywhere near the same presence as I felt with my teacher.
> What a joke on
> me! We resonate with and a spectrum of energy. When we are only open in a
> certain frequency range that is all we are able to perceive.
> Would I have a
> different reaction to his holiness today? Probably. At least I
> would like to
> think so. It is a great gift to have a broad perspective. Then we
> can see how
> the shakti moves differently in each person and in each in different ways.
> Love,
> Dirk
>
>
>
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