1998/03/23 16:53
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #222
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 222
Today's Topics:
Re: Gurus and Professors [ Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic ]
Kundalini Research (was Personal Gen [ "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail. ]
RE: PRANAYAMA - correction [ Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley ]
RE: Gloria Greco leaves the list and [ Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley ]
Re: PRANAYAMA - correction [ Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospambryant.edu> ]
Re: Gurus and Disciples/reply [ E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net> ]
Re: Abhyasa Yoga [ E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net> ]
RE: PRANAYAMA/AGE?? [ "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com> ]
PRANAYAMA [ anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities. ]
Re: Brainstorming [ Druout <DruoutATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: trying too hard [ "Jason S. White" <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch ]
Re: Gurus and Disciples/reply [ "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com> ]
Re: PRANAYAMA - correction [ stuartf <stuartfATnospamdimensional.com> ]
Re: gurus redux [ "Jan Barendrecht" <janbarenATnospamcorreo. ]
Re: PRANAYAMA [ Antoine <acarreATnospamconcentric.net> ]
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 14:41:34 -0600
From: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Gurus and Professors
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E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net> wrote:
>on 21 Mar 98, Harsha1MTM wrote...
>
>><< It is therefore true to say that people get the Gurus they deserve. >>
>>
>>Harsha: Well stated. And Gurus get the chelas (disciples) they deserve!
>>Ramana
>>Maharshi once said that the disciple is more important than the Guru. If the
>>disciple has purity, faith and is sincere, even a stone statute will serve as
>>the Sad Guru.
>
>I would agree. People think they (with all their hangups, inability to
>perceive
>the truth etc etc) can "know" who or what constitutes a Guru. If they develop
>real qualities they will become aware of the Real wherever it is.
>The genuine Guru quite often chooses the disciple according to the capacity to
>learn - not according to their estimation of their sincerity.
>I am incidently involved in a long term project to train my own Guru. It has
>taken several years to overcome his innate worldliness and inclination to
>atheism. However I persevere . . .
>
>Lobster
:))))))))))))))))))) LOL!! :))))))))))))))))))))))
I love it!! :))))))))))
Please do give us word from time to time on your guru's progress,
Ann
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 13:16:21 PST
From: "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Kundalini Research (was Personal Genius)
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Jerry,
You wrote:
>This proposal is prompted by Kurt's interest in brainstorming or
>discussing kundalini research ideas and by an observation that the
>genius chapter of the kundalini story is not satisfactory as written.
>
>I propose that we use what we have amongst us, many cases of the
>development of personal genius.
>
>Personal genius, if I may offer an initial definition, is function
>at a greatly heightened level for an individual.
>
>Submitted to the public, personal genius may appear mediocre, average
>or excellent, but very rarely is it public genius.
>
>If we accept personal genius as a hallmark of active kundalini and
>stop trying to focus on rare cases of public genius, some studies
>can actually be conducted.
>
>Anyone want to help shape some of these very broad ideas?
>
There is an organization that is devoted to the idea of Kundalini
research, the Kundalini Research Network. They have an annual meeting,
this year in Atlanta in October, where research, life histories, etc.
are presented. If you want any more information on them let me know and
I'll pass it along to a friend who is actively involved in it.
Please don't consider this an endorsement of the network or the idea of
research. I understand the psychological need to try to translate this
stuff into a modern scientific effort and don't condemn those who find
value in it. I just personally consider any public research in the 20th
century to be replowing very old ground. I regularly conduct my own
research, my research has a sample of one and the supervision of
experienced teachers, anything I do beyond that is as a favor to a
friend.
Namaste,
Joe
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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 13:34:54 -0800
From: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
To: "'Kurt Keutzer'" <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>,
"'Anurag Goel'"
<anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>
Cc: "'Harsha1MTM'" <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>,
"930359ATnospamaloe.ulima.edu.pe"
<930359ATnospamaloe.ulima.edu.pe>,
"kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com"
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Subject: RE: PRANAYAMA - correction
Message-ID: <01BD5660.773CBBC0.keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
Earlier I said:
As in all areas related to kundalini there is some disagreement regarding
the division of pranayamas into these two categories. Kapalabathi (the
bellows breath) is considered by some to awaken the kundalini (e.g. Swami
Satyananda Saraswati) while others disagree (B. K. S. Iyengar).
I confounded Kapalabathi with bhastrika. I should have used bhastrika in
the above. Incidentally, I tend to agree with B. K. S. Iyengar on this
point.
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 13:41:20 -0800
From: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
To: "'Gloria Greco'" <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>,
"kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com"
<kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: RE: Gloria Greco leaves the list and sends love to all
Message-ID: <01BD5661.5D9FC490.keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
Your compassionate act is really inspirational.
I don't know if you noticed but I recently had a ``Gloria conversion''
regarding the relationship of ascending and descending energies. We'll see
if it sticks in your absence.
Love, Kurt
-----Original Message-----
From: Gloria Greco [SMTP:lodpressATnospamintercomm.com]
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 1998 10:58 AM
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Gloria Greco leaves the list and sends love to all
K list friends,
I have decided to go off of the list for a while. I am very busy right
now with my three little foster girls, 5 year old Savannah, 8 yr old
Sarah and Shannon who is 11. This girls have lived in and out of motel
rooms for most of their life and in the park at times even. So, my
husband and I are initiating some big changes in their life, which also
involves some changes in ours as well.
I have enjoyed meeting all of you and will come back if and when spirit
moves me in that direction. I have finished my kundalini experience book
and it is going to be read by several possible publishers, I will let
you know if and when it is out there if any of you are interested.
Until then, and I know I have to do the right process in order to get
off, but I will do it and sign off for now. Love to all of you. Gloria
Joy Greco
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 16:36:07 -0500
From: Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospambryant.edu>
To: "keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu" <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
CC: "'Anurag Goel'" <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>,
"'Harsha1MTM'" <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>,
"930359ATnospamaloe.ulima.edu.pe" <930359ATnospamaloe.ulima.edu.pe>,
"kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: PRANAYAMA - correction
Message-ID: <3516D5C6.94F4AC18ATnospambryant.edu>
Kurt Keutzer wrote:
> Earlier I said:
> As in all areas related to kundalini there is some disagreement regarding
> the division of pranayamas into these two categories. Kapalabathi (the
> bellows breath) is considered by some to awaken the kundalini (e.g. Swami
> Satyananda Saraswati) while others disagree (B. K. S. Iyengar).
>
> I confounded Kapalabathi with bhastrika. I should have used bhastrika in
> the above. Incidentally, I tend to agree with B. K. S. Iyengar on this
> point.
Harsha: Quite right. Bhastrika is a much more rigorous and advanced practice
than Kapalabhati. It has many different variations. It is usually done in
conjunction with other things. It is best to learn Kapalabhati first.
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 97 08:49:09 GMT
From: E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net>
To: "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com>, kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>,
Harish <hari_patelATnospamlondonelec.co.uk>, Dave <rhavyATnospamglobalnet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Gurus and Disciples/reply
Message-Id: <970323084909.n0002372.lobsterATnospammail.clara.net>
on 23 Mar 98, Gloria Lee wrote...
>>Ed wrote:
>>
>>>>I am incidently involved in a long term project to train my own Guru.
>>>It has taken several years to overcome his innate worldliness and
>inclination to atheism. However I persevere . . .
>>>>
>>>>Lobster
>>>>
>>>>ED, you get me rolling on the floor laughing with these little asides
>>>of profundity that you casually toss around. Now what does your Guru
>>>Think of the disciple you have given him to work with???
>>>Glo Lee
>>>PS. Your Crustaceousness is quite charming, ya know??
>>
>Ed wrote again:
>>You must be mistaken. An untrained Guru can not be left around
>disciples. This one can not even be left around himself too long without
wondering what purpose life has . . .
>>Guru training is no laughing matter. This person is eminently suitable
>having no interest in spirituality, worldly and enjoying life to the full. The
>main system of training involves me providing books on vedanta, which he gets
his wife to read on his behalf. Verbal training takes the form of admonishment -
I constantly remind him that my spiritual progress is being kept back by his
ineptitude and refusal to accept his role.
>>I will keep you informed of his progress.
>>
>>Lobster
>>
>>Dearest Crusty One,
> Getting his own wife to read books on vedanta seems QUITE an
>accomplishment to me!!! The fact that he still refuses to feel any
>responsibilty for your lack of spiritual progress is a sign of profound
>wisdom, indeed. The mere fact that you made such a wise choice of guru
>would also indicate that your own spiritual insight must be highly
>developed. The more you avoid this "dangerous guru," the greater your
>progress seems to become..so it appears to be working rather well,
>IMHO...The School Of Paradoxical Ineptitude has been proven over the
>centuries to be one of the best methods for Spiritual Development yet
>discovered, so may I congratulate you on your choice.
>
>Wishing I had a flashy nickname, too.
>Glo Lee
Hi Glo,
If you are in the process of Guru selection, it is very important to be aware of
their accomplishments. Any Guru who is more concerned for His wifes development
than his own (even subconsciously) is obviously an incarnation of near Avatar
status. Being free of responsibility or any feeling of obligation to ones chelas
is indeed meritorious.
Sadly I can not comment on my spiritual insight as the Gurus development comes
first and foremost.
"Dangerous Guru?" Who said he was dangerous? Despite the fact that he already
brings Light to millions and is responsible for levels of power that most
shaktiput (ask your wife what this means) empowerments would be humbled by. (He
works in the control center of an electricity company, incidently).
I appreciate your congratulations (on my choice of Guru).
I will passing this message on to him, to ensure that he is aware of the
expectation and respect that he already engenders. He'll probably get his wife
to read it . . .
OM GUNU OM
Lobster
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 97 09:33:53 GMT
From: E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net>
To: MMeyers541 <MMeyers541ATnospamaol.com>, kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Abhyasa Yoga
Message-Id: <970323093353.n0002373.lobsterATnospammail.clara.net>
on 23 Mar 98, MMeyers541 wrote...
> point as I see it as crucial to how we should advise others i.e. the dangers
> of premature arousal.
People think that warnings about attempted playing about with chakra openings
are provided like warnings about drugs. Many people take drugs recreationally,
no problem. Many people play with their chakras, no worries. When things go
wrong, they go seriously wrong.
>I now KNOW that "mental illness" occurs as a result of uncontrolled spiritual
>power.
>About 7 yrs. ago, I "opened to channel." It felt like an electrical jolt to
>my head, and I saw flashes of red and white light internally & externally. At
>the time, I had never heard of the word "kundalini," and even when I read
>about it several years later in Barbara Hand Clow's book "Liquid Light of
>Sex," I disbelieved that "it" (k-awakening) was happening to me--despite
>experiencing virtually ALL the symptoms she mentioned. In truth, I was in
>total denial. (After all, I WAS certified mentally ill.)
There is a close link between spirituality and mental illness. There is no such
thing as mental illness if people are neither distressed or distressing. However
when people ae in a condition of dis-ease with themself or others, some kind of
balance is required.
>Of course, the same year, when I related my MANY synchronistic, telepathic,
>clairaudient, clairvoyant, clairsentient experiences to a psychiatrist, I was,
>how shall we say, hospitalized. (Yes, in addition to experiencing this
>phenomena, I DID do some very ego-centered, outrageous things, because when
>you talk to God, you do feel omnipotent.)
There is no stigma in being mad - it is one of my hobbies. However you have to
recognise the negative manifestions - you have to be aware of the tendencies to
potentially dangerous, unproductive or anti-other behaviour.
>and other doctors--who themselves are often treated like God--are VERY
>threatened by "abnormal" behavior.)
You might find the work of Thomas Sasz of interest. He writes about this quite
extensively in books such as "The Myth of Mental Illness"
>positive way. One of my voices--and it sounds very loving--has told me I
>won't be hospitalized again--and I believe it.
There is no reason why you should be - *if* you stay strong and grounded.
>Ah, well...by now, I've become rather detached from & amused by people's
>comments about me.
Me too.
Some of them even think I am sane . . .
(Mad as a) Lobster
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 13:46:58 PST
From: "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com>
To: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com, 930359ATnospamaloe.ulima.edu.pe
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: RE: PRANAYAMA/AGE??
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>Harsha: I
>was routinely retaining the breath for 3 or more minutes (at the age of
39 -
>two and a half years ago). Even my teacher was surprised as it becomes
>difficult with advancing age especially if one is living an ordinary
and
>normal life as I am.
>
>
>KK: Yes, my only point was that it is unusual. Any ``performance
tips''?
>
To The Elderly BUT Still Normal Harsha,
Sir, it somewhat distresses me to see "almost 40" referred to as
"advancing age." May we all be so normal as you are, but is your life
really that ordinary?? It would seem there might be some extraordinary
experiences and benefits to attaining the Self-Realization??? Well??
You must admit, as KK says, this is at the very least still unusual? >
Inquiring minds wish to know..
Glo Lee
PS. Forgive my manner of asking, but the curiosity is quite sincere.
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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 14:05:23 -0800
From: anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>
To: "keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu" <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
CC: "'Harsha1MTM'" <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>,
"930359ATnospamaloe.ulima.edu.pe" <930359ATnospamaloe.ulima.edu.pe>,
"anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in" <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>,
"kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: PRANAYAMA
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Kurt Keutzer wrote:
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Harsha1MTM [SMTP:Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com]
> Sent: Sunday, March 22, 1998 7:52 PM
> To: keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu; 930359ATnospamaloe.ulima.edu.pe; anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in
> Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
> Subject: Re: PRANAYAMA
>
> In a message dated 98-03-22 22:01:10 EST, keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu writes:
>
> << KK: Now we have a few issues going. First of all I would be very interested
> to learn as to where yogins routinely extended their breath retention
> capacity beyond 3 minutes - if that is what you meant. Such a feat is rare
> in my experience. >>
>
> Harsha: I was doing it routinely in my early 20s for about 7 months out of the
> year.
>
>
> KK: Yes, my only point was that it is unusual. Any ``performance tips''?
I have done these pranayama techniques for many years and still do it now.
One must start with a cycle with which one is comfortable with without strain and any discomfort.
The lungs and the heart takes time to adjust to the processes. Each individual according to
physical constitution will vary in the progress and the time involved in attaining longer breath
retention ability.
In swimming for example, if one wishes to practice longer periods of staying under water,
then rigorous practice is involved to tune the body for such exercise. Similar is the process in
pranayama, where , intention, awareness, and will to stick to the practice are all required as in
any other physical regimen.
Most important for the pranayama practitioners is to practice complete breathing which in many
books is called as Yogic Breathing.
The simplest to start with a cycle of 4 counts deep breaths inhalation, 8 breath counts of
retention and either 8 or 16 counts of full exhalation. This needs to be practiced methodically
without any strain for a number of months. In this way one can tune up the lungs and the heart
also one needs to care of the body in other aspects of moderate food intake, regular flushing of
the bowels, regular energizing sleep.
The prana with our inhalations traverse the whole body and also goes to the brain., which is
controlled by the autonomic nervous system. When the same is done with awareness and intention,
then one has to think of the prana hitting the the Kundalini at the base chakra, and flowing up
to the medulla oblongata and with each exhalation coming down to the base. Once our thought is
attached to the practice, the flow of prana to the base chakra will automatically follow. This is
the intentional method of using the pranayama to activate the Kundalini. Of course, one needs to
be cautious in not being involved to this emotionally, for if one does, then the prana will
follow that desire or thought also, in the subsidiary channels , which many may find quite
unnerving to their psyche. There are many other effects also, which has been described by Gopi
Krishna in his writings, which I do not wish to repeat.
Hope this information renders some help.
Anandajyoti
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/6782
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 17:17:51 EST
From: Druout <DruoutATnospamaol.com>
To: joemillerATnospamHOTMAIL.COM, umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Brainstorming
Message-ID: <1e2b3e30.3516df91ATnospamaol.com>
Dear Jerry and Joe and list,
While I don't think we can get people to go for the Gopi Krishna (Gene
Keiffer) type of scientific exploration, perhaps some more experiential
information can be elicited by means of surveys. But there may be
resistance. Don't know exactly why. Maybe we subconsciously don't want our
lightening god to be explained away. (as if that could be possible!)
Although the poll on what triggers K was *hardly* scientific, the fact that
meditation seemed so strongly to correlate with K was an interesting bit of
info. (at least it was to me!)
Maybe we can conduct a weekly survey of topics of current interest. For
instance, I'd be curious to know how many of us have electrical power
interferences.
I'd be happy to talley answers, at least for awhile.
Is there interest out there??
Love, Hillary
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 23:31:00 +0100
From: "Jason S. White" <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch>
To: "Bob Trevithick" <rtrevATnospamredsuspenders.com>
Cc: "Kundalini" <Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: trying too hard
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On Mon, 23 Mar 1998 19:44:19 +0100, Bob Trevithick wrote:
>>TRY not - DO!
>>There.
>>Mmmmmmmm.
>Yoda,
>I once sent Skip Atwater a note explaining my frustration, and told
>him how hard I was working at relaxing. His reply, of course, was why
>not just relax instead.
LOL! may the farce be with you.... always.
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 14:39:31 PST
From: "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, hari_patelATnospamlondonelec.co.uk, rhavyATnospamglobalnet.co.uk,
lobsterATnospamclara.net
Subject: Re: Gurus and Disciples/reply
Message-ID: <19980323223935.22176.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
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>>>Ed wrote:
>>>
>>>>>I am incidently involved in a long term project to train my own
Guru.
>>>>It has taken several years to overcome his innate worldliness and
>>inclination to atheism. However I persevere . . .
>>>>>
>>>>>Lobster
>
>>>
>>>Dearest Crusty One,
>> Getting his own wife to read books on vedanta seems QUITE an
>>accomplishment to me!!! The fact that he still refuses to feel any
>>responsibilty for your lack of spiritual progress is a sign of
profound
>>wisdom, indeed. The mere fact that you made such a wise choice of guru
>>would also indicate that your own spiritual insight must be highly
>>developed. The more you avoid this "dangerous guru," the greater your
>>progress seems to become..so it appears to be working rather well,
>>IMHO...The School Of Paradoxical Ineptitude has been proven over the
>>centuries to be one of the best methods for Spiritual Development yet
>>discovered, so may I congratulate you on your choice.
>>
>>Wishing I had a flashy nickname, too.
>>Glo Lee
>
>Hi Glo,
>If you are in the process of Guru selection, it is very important to be
aware of
>their accomplishments. Any Guru who is more concerned for His wifes
development
>than his own (even subconsciously) is obviously an incarnation of near
Avatar
>status. Being free of responsibility or any feeling of obligation to
ones chelas
>is indeed meritorious.
>Sadly I can not comment on my spiritual insight as the Gurus
development comes
>first and foremost.
>"Dangerous Guru?" Who said he was dangerous? Despite the fact that he
already
>brings Light to millions and is responsible for levels of power that
most
>shaktiput (ask your wife what this means) empowerments would be humbled
by. (He
>works in the control center of an electricity company, incidently).
>I appreciate your congratulations (on my choice of Guru).
>I will passing this message on to him, to ensure that he is aware of
the
>expectation and respect that he already engenders. He'll probably get
his wife
>to read it . . .
>
>OM GUNU OM
>Lobster
>
My Dearest Crusty One,
Tho I have long noted the possible usefulness of my having a wife,
my husband has so far declined to undertake the support of another wife,
citing the expense. Reading books for myself is only one of many
economies. Altough this is my first foray into the murky world of Guru
Training, I cannot help but question the mention of Avatar status this
early in the game. Merely for the sake of his long-suffering wife; not
to mention his disinclination to provide you with any semblance of
assistance. To boldy go where I have never ventured before, may I
suggest that anyone who already controls so much electrical power needs
very little ego encouragement. While he may indeed BE an excellent
choice of guru, perhaps your own inadequacies as a trainer are the real
issue which needs addressing here. Sending a few books hardly seems
sufficent.
Apparently AS Qualified Training Consultant,
Glo Lee
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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 16:26:35 -0700
From: stuartf <stuartfATnospamdimensional.com>
To: hlutharATnospambryant.edu
CC: "keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu" <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>,
"'Anurag Goel'" <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>,
"'Harsha1MTM'" <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>,
"930359ATnospamaloe.ulima.edu.pe" <930359ATnospamaloe.ulima.edu.pe>,
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Subject: Re: PRANAYAMA - correction
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It's my understanding that Kapalabthi helps to breaks the knots.
Harsh Luthar wrote:
> Kurt Keutzer wrote:
>
> > Earlier I said:
> > As in all areas related to kundalini there is some disagreement regarding
> > the division of pranayamas into these two categories. Kapalabathi (the
> > bellows breath) is considered by some to awaken the kundalini (e.g. Swami
> > Satyananda Saraswati) while others disagree (B. K. S. Iyengar).
> >
> > I confounded Kapalabathi with bhastrika. I should have used bhastrika in
> > the above. Incidentally, I tend to agree with B. K. S. Iyengar on this
> > point.
>
> Harsha: Quite right. Bhastrika is a much more rigorous and advanced practice
> than Kapalabhati. It has many different variations. It is usually done in
> conjunction with other things. It is best to learn Kapalabhati first.
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 23:42:01 -0000
From: "Jan Barendrecht" <janbarenATnospamcorreo.infase.es>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: gurus redux
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>From Rick Puravs <ric51ATnospamgeorge.lhi.net>
Date: Sunday, March 22, 1998 9:56 PM
-----Original Message-----
From: Jan Barendrecht <janbarenATnospaminfase.es>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Date: Friday, March 20, 1998 5:54 PM
Subject: Re: gurus redux
....Jan wrote....
>>The
>>highest possible enlightenment means the end of incarnation - there is no
>>more wish to
>>reincarnate.
>>By becoming an immortal, you contribute the highest possible
>>boon to sentient creatures - no more can be done. So I was really very
>>surprised to read that Kalu Rinpoche once again reincarnated
>Why would it be a greater boon for sentient creatures to not reincarnate,
as .opposed to coming back in a Bodhisattva role? I am not sure one way or
another,
>but it would seem that coming back as a Bodhisattva to help others would be
a
>greater benefit to those still here. What exactly is the boon to sentient
beings >when
>one chooses not to reincarnate?
>Rick
The Buddha gave the example himself. Without his enlightenment there would
have been no Buddhism. If meditation, precepts and rules are kept, it is
impossible to escape Nirvana. During his life, Buddha had to review the
explanation of Nirvana, because it was misunderstood as a form of personal
samadhi - it is not, of course. Enlightened ones are irresistible (for
seekers). It is one of the reasons why Buddha had no problems of converting
Hindus. As a Bodhisattva, this wouldn´t have been possible. The change from
Bodhisattva to Buddha isn´t gradual. Someone on the list already said that
the mind has holographic properties. Even the tiniest part possesses the
properties of the whole. It is a good explanation/hypothesis for the fact,
that at a certain stage a discontinuity occurs - in Buddhism this will be
interpreted as a transition from Bodhisattva to a Buddha. Among others, the
experience of duality ( the idea/perception of "I" and "you", "me" and
"others") will have disappeared. As a Buddha, anyone can draw
strength/inspiration/support from you, even after you have left your body.
Because of the "spiritual radiation" a Buddha can convince even without
words but as a Bodhisattva you have to convince by words and exemplary
behavior. In a Buddha, all subtle tendencies are eliminated and as a
consequence, reincarnation has come to an end. But without the Bodhisatva
vow, one will never become a Buddha.
Jan
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 18:52:20 -0500
From: Antoine <acarreATnospamconcentric.net>
To: "keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu" <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
CC: "'Anurag Goel'" <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>,
"'Harsha1MTM'" <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>,
"930359ATnospamaloe.ulima.edu.pe" <930359ATnospamaloe.ulima.edu.pe>,
"kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: PRANAYAMA
Message-ID: <3516F5B4.7146E536ATnospamconcentric.net>
Kurt Keutzer wrote:
> Hi,
> I think it's necessary to retain breath as long as you can for
> kundalini awakening. I found this to when i practise pranayama.
>
> Love,
> anurag
This is interesting,
Brought me memories of the way i fell in the presence of divers for pearls
without equipment, just the retention of the breath, in the sea. They radiated
such peace around them just buy being there, from their body aura. They
probably don't know about K awakening, but IMHO it that feelling of radiating
peace is K related.
Thank you for the info about breath, i was not aware of it.
Antoine
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