1998/03/20 14:03
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #209
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 209
Today's Topics:
Re: gurus redux [ Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospambryant.edu> ]
Gurus and Professors [ Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospambryant.edu> ]
Re: One truth [ Jeff Jackson <jacksonATnospamdaimler.ucs.i ]
re: Make My Day [ "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.or ]
Re: Reasonably good reason is . . . [ E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net> ]
RE: Discovering the reptile within [ "Roberto Gonzales del Valle" <rgvgATnospam ]
Re: Discovering the reptile within [ Antoine <acarreATnospamconcentric.net> ]
Re: Re. Gurus redux [ Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iis ]
Re:universal approach [ Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iis ]
Re: universal approach [ Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospambryant.edu> ]
Re: Prannothana? [ "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail. ]
Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ]
RE: Prannothana? [ Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley ]
Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource [ "Georgia" <6751202XATnospamMMU.AC.UK> ]
Re: One truth [ freda <fredaATnospamblarg.net> ]
spiritual healer Joseph Mano Holzer [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistres ]
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 09:34:10 -0500
From: Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospambryant.edu>
To: Dan Margolis <margolisATnospamtransbay.net>
CC: Kundalini Mailing List <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: gurus redux
Message-ID: <35127E61.9D7B6994ATnospambryant.edu>
Dan Margolis wrote:
> Actually, I don't believe there is a sutra that describes Buddha's death by
> poisoning. I remember reading an article a long time ago discussing the myth of
> Buddha's death. Most often it was described that he was given poisoned pork by
> a Hindu. I don't remember the exact details. However, the conclusion was drawn
> that the myth started about 300 years after Buddhas death by Brahman priests in
> India, as an attempt to discourage the rising tide of Buddhist converts. If you
> have more information on the story I would be glad to hear it.
>
> Dan M.
> Harsha writes: The beautiful story of Buddha's last days are recounted in three
> Sutras. Buddha ate his last meal at Cunda's house. He was quite ill afterwards.
> Later on in the day as he briefly rested by the river Kakuttha he told Ananda (his
> cousin and disciple) that Cunda should not be blamed for the Buddha's illness. He
> asked Ananda to console Cunda after his death and say "It was gain to thee friend
> Cunda, great gain to thee, that the Tathagata received his last alms from thee and
> attained Nirvana" (see Chapter 11-The Life of Buddha as Legend and History by
> Edward J. Thomas)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 10:11:57 -0500
From: Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospambryant.edu>
To: Jan Barendrecht <janbarenATnospaminfase.es>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Gurus and Professors
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Jan Barendrecht wrote:
> As any professor in Hindu /
> Buddhist philosophy will outperform a guru, knowledge isn't a good test
> either.
>
> Jan
> Harsha smiles and writes: This is a bit out of context but I was intrigued by
> the word, "Outperform?" I do not know how you define a guru! Usually
> professors and others with book knowledge seek out Realized people to get the
> proper interpretation. Concepts no matter how elegant, couched in language no
> matter how eloquent cannot reach that State and make absolutely no impression
> on the Knower of the Self. The Self is the perpetual spring of peaceful
> awareness. It does not compete with anything.
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 10:12:55 -0500
From: Jeff Jackson <jacksonATnospamdaimler.ucs.indiana.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: One truth
Message-Id: <199803201512.KAA17607ATnospamdaimler.ucs.indiana.edu>
Greetings List,
Jeff Jackson <jacksonATnospamdaimler.ucs.indiana.edu> wrote:
>Someone wrote:
>> We have met the enemy and he is US...(old Peanuts cartoon)
>
>It was Pogo, not Peanuts.
>
>As if it matters,
>
>Jeff Jackson
Ann Morrison Fisher added:
>It was also:
>"We have met the enemy and they is us."
It seems one truth is elusive, yet attainable. This exchange of approximations
of a quote in popular culture made me wonder about the possible confusion
in scriptures from various cultures generated over millennia.
The above is one more thing to support the idea, contrary to X-files, that the
truth is "in here" and not "out there".
Unless of course, it is WAY out there. :)
Swearing off wheat products,
Jeff Jackson
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 09:14:57 -0600 (CST)
From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: re: Make My Day
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(sorry
so sorry
planet earth
and residents
it seems
something went
ary....)
Oops!
spilling
white light
on the continents
of peoples...
(its not nice to fool with mother nature)
there
is,
anger
frustration
*i* *know* *what* *is* *right*
call all
her resident beings.
*DOITMYWAY*
resounds their cry.
Mother's voice is
rather still
sometimes small
but she is a light spider
her web reaches all
if thinking seperation from
(big conglemerate forest cruncher
cow eater folk evil people black&white&red&anger&desire&aversion)
delusion sets in.
past present future....
you were there, you will be there.
where are you right now?
what can you do there?
the baby is crying, give her some milk,
the forest is dying, what good is the guilt?
action
get up
let go of anger first!
let go of desire.
no attachment no desire ....
seems a way.
maybe
dont know.
whatever it is...
i pray to Lady Mother Tara from my center of grasping and attachment....
may we all be free of desire!
(what else to do!)?
--janpa
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 101 10:41:52 GMT
From: E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net>
To: kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Reasonably good reason is . . .
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on 20 Mar 98, PEGLUMPKIN wrote...
>In a message dated 98-03-19 12:37:23 EST, Ed Jason writes:
>
><< The original question stands (to everyone) - why does the so called process
>of
> kundalini awakening produce more anguish than solutions? >>
>
>The anguish is temporary. You told me that in reply to my very first post on
>this list. And you were right. When I stopped paying attention to the
>kundalini symptoms, again at your suggestion, solutions popped up everywhere.
>It didn't make me a genius, but it did unleash creativity that had been
>squelched by apprehension.
Exactly so. People fight a process, invest it with meaning. Thinking they can
not cope or are going to become God, a Genius, an Ascended Mistress or something
similar. As soon as thery accept they will not understand - part of the tension
is relieved.
The unleashing of creativity is part of a developmental side effect that occurs
with people who take drugs, have mental break downs or otherwise find their
brain altered in some subtle manner.
><<It does not seem to produce genuises (as is claimed) with anything like the
>range of abilities and qualities that exist in those with developed
>conventional resources.>>
>
>I don't know your definition of genius. The best definition I have ever heard
>came from the no-brainer movie Smokey and the Bandits-- "How smart ya' are
>depends on where yurr standin'." In other words, the value of any person's
>ability or contribution is contextual. Personally, I'm a genius at only one
>thing, solving word jumbles. Great contribution to mankind, huh? But I can
>still contribute in other areas where I am NOT a genius.
>
>(Incidentally, I do think it is an interesting coincidence that I have had
>various manuscripts sitting around collecting dust for years, but since
>kundalini, publishers are chomping at the bit to publish them.
>Synchronicity?)
I am glad you are finding synchronicity. This again is an investiture of
meaning. The experiences that people undergo, which are often very dramatic and
personal will hopefully develop in them greater compassion and feelings of well
being. On the whole this seems to be the case. However it is important to
differentiate between personal reality and concensus reality.
For most ordinary people kundalites do not impress as more evolved or able
people - whatever they feel about themselves.
My definition of genius is a person capable beyond and above the capabilities of
the best in a given field. In other words they shine with a brighter light
amongst the bright lights.
Good luck with getting your material published.
Be Well
Ed
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 08:25:44 PST
From: "Roberto Gonzales del Valle" <rgvgATnospamhotmail.com>
To: keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: RE: Discovering the reptile within
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Still Seacrhing after all these years: (Vocation: Seeker. Experience: "I
don´t know. When did this all started?")
>> I tend to think that kundalini integrates and amplifies the brain
>function.
>> If there is genius in there then it has more energy to come out - but
if
>> there is no genius in there then it just means more of whatever is in
>there
>> comes out.
>
Yes Kurt, that is probably true.
>Wait a minute, Kurt. You're saying kundalini integrates and amplifies
>the brain. Then you're saying genius is in there and kundalini releases
>it.
>
>Are you saying that kundalini integrates and amplifies the brain only
so
>that more of whatever is in there can come out? There is no qualitative
>effect at all? No gains in esthetic value?
Why not? The ways of the brain are unknown. The portion has,
esthetically speaking, outgrown it´s use. Just us arts have. They think
everything has been made. Maybe it´t allright when you go deeper and
start using other portions of your brain-nervous system.
...>
>For a few others kundalini may reach the heart where it expresses me as
genius in the commonly used sense.
>I do think that Picasso and other geniuses probably had active
kundalini
>but I think that is reflected in the volume of his work and not in the
>``genius'' of it. To me, to be an artistic genius means to be in touch
with
>a muse - a deep element of the collective unconscious perhaps This is
not
>the same as kundalini awakening.
This is VERY INTERESTING, Kurt. The search for a muse is always there
and never satisfied (don´t you find the concept familiar?). Picasso, as
many others went from muse to muse in search for the Godd/ess.
>
>I do think that there is a vibratory change - if that's what you want
to
>call it. As the kundalini rises it should extinguish egotism and
emotional
>blocks (afflictive emotions) - but I would not equate this with genius
-
>although I would agree that it is more important than genius.
Very Good Point!
>always happy to brainstorm on potential avenues of approach.
>
>Kind Regards,
>Kurt
>
Kundalini Goes Further, always, there is no beginig and no end to it. No
one we can measure, to be more precise.
Healing power begins with self and spreads with the realization that we
are all OneSelf.
"But First: Are you experienced? No necesarely stoned but Beautifull!"
Jimi Hendrix.
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Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 11:33:03 -0500
From: Antoine <acarreATnospamconcentric.net>
To: "keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu" <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
CC: "'Jerry Katz'" <umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca>,
"hlutharATnospambryant.edu" <hlutharATnospambryant.edu>,
"kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Discovering the reptile within
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Kurt Keutzer wrote:
> KK: Trying to integrate my own experience and observations with the
> written literature and traditions - kundalini has different effects as it
> ascends. I think that for most ``kundalini awakened'' people that I meet,
> IMHO, kundalini only makes it to the navel and as a result the primary
> difference in these people is a kind of healthy physical vitality on the
> positive side - and perhaps a little overbearingnesss on the negative side.
> For a few others kundalini may reach the heart where it expresses itself in
> love and deep peacefulness. One of my teachers, Swami Shivom Tirth, began
> in his 70's to spontaneously write poetry and compose bhajans. Perhaps this
> is the influence of kundalini at the throat.
>
> But to make a long story short in a lifetime of interacting with kundalini
> yoga pracititioners of different varieties I don't think that I've
> encountered very much that strikes me as genius in the commonly used sense.
> I do think that Picasso and other geniuses probably had active kundalini
> but I think that is reflected in the volume of his work and not in the
> ``genius'' of it. To me, to be an artistic genius means to be in touch with
> a muse - a deep element of the collective unconscious perhaps This is not
> the same as kundalini awakening.
I agree with you Kurt, partial awakening...
In a way we are all Genius, may depend on the "environment" we are in to make
it be recognize as such. Takes others to recognize one as genius. The healthy
physical activity from opening in chakras 2, as you say, made, and still does
make, people being recognized as heroes, in the greek history, romans, the
Olympics, and others. Picasso would be probably of been less then nothing in a
society 4000 years ago. Who would of listened to him and recognized is
paintings, or any strange ideas he could of had in such an environment?
Someone who as all is chakras open looks at something that others cannot see.
Waiting for that person to be recognized as a genius by others is strange
concept to me... We prefer calling them fool, mystics, monks, philosophers,
etc... If such a person want's to be recognized, it is for him to learn to
lower is "frequency" to a level where he can touch others by the tip of the
iceberg of their highest "frequency level". But those such a person wants or
bothers to do that?... Here, i think lies, possibly, an answer to the link
between developing faculties that can make one recognized for a "genius" and a
searcher of the Truth.
Is there, by definition, no greater act of Genius than finding, merging with
the source of who we are? Was it not the motivation of Einstein, in is
research?.... Was it not the motivation of the hero defending is family, is
group? Was is not the motivation of Picasso, in is act of painting?
> I am personally interested in scientific research in kundalini and am
> always happy to brainstorm on potential avenues of approach.
Same here, but my knowdledge of K in litterature is poor. Still looking for
what as been done. I only just started to read on Gopi Krishna, and i am open
to any reference on such a subject.
I don't know if any experiment on the growth, speed of dividing, of different
types of cells cultures, around someone k active as been done. Cells could make
a real nice instrument in measuring of the "energy" flowing from at least the
first 4 chakras. And speed of growing and the number of time they divide before
decay could make nice parameters for measuring, some levels of manifestation of
K.
We use cells to test the effect of the magnetically and electrical forces on
our bodies, and this is quite new. Cells as instrument of measure could bring
new parameters in the way we quantify those force, mostly on the "quality" of
those force for our growing.
My plant gives more flowers when i pay attention to it, go say that to a
scientific... :-)
But it would not be so hard to create a sensor with real sensible organic cells
tied to an electronic device. Finding someone to emit the same pattern of
energy, for experimentation, for days or weeks is another thing to consider
also.
Blessings
Antoine
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 22:00:59 +0530 (IST)
From: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>
To: Afperry <AfperryATnospamaol.com>
Cc: janbarenATnospaminfase.es, Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Re. Gurus redux
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Hi,
I doubt that many of the philosphers would have understood philosphy
practically.
I will like to add a bit more by giving an example of RAMAKRISHNA
PARAMHANSA. As far as I know he didn't studied much and he used to
outperform any scholar rather they used to come to him to seek
guidance and knowledge.
Love,
anurag
On Fri, 20 Mar 1
998, Afperry wrote:
> Dear Jan,
>
> >As any professor in Hindu /Buddhist philosophy will outperform a guru,
> >knowledge isn't a good test either.
>
> That depends on the guru. The most erudite man I know has only read one book
> in his life (literally); but he is a God-Realised sadguru and all he has to do
> is to raise his consciousness to the Universal level and all 'knowledge' is
> accessible to him. There is often a noticeable change in him when this occurs,
> sometimes preceded by a slight jump as his kundalini zips up his spine. He can
> also take in the whole content of a book by simply placing his hands on it for
> a few seconds (I have seen this done more than once).
>
> IMHO, intellectual knowledge becomes virtually meaningless when confronted
> with higher spiritual realisation, and indeed can be a major blockage to that
> realisation in the first place.
>
> With blessings,
> Alan
>
>
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 22:07:40 +0530 (IST)
From: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>
To: Deu83ATnospamaol.com
Cc: PEGLUMPKINATnospamaol.com, keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.com, Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re:universal approach
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Deu8 3 wrote:
>
> the wholistic approach is in error. Sorry, but it is true. It doesn't matter
> if you call it ki, chi, innate force, conciousness, or kundalini.
> It's root is in self-worship and fire (sun)-worship.
> The ki is the system of electricity (hence "energy") which flows through the
> body. It would be comparable to the blood flow (although it runs on a
> different map). The body has arteries which take fresh oxygenated blood from
> the heart (command post of the flesh) to the body. The veins carry it back
> for rejuvination. Similarly, the nerves, dendrites, dermatones, etc. run the
> electricity from the brain (command post of the soul) throughout and back.
> The particular highways will effect other body parts down the road. For
> instance, a man who is struck on the inside of the leg several times in the
> right place will end up with liver failure. This is why the Free Masons and
> Mormons and Pagans have certain pressure points to tough in there greetings.
> They are for sexual stimulation.
Anurag> What do you want to conclude from above?
Deu>
The wholism leads to misdx. in many cases, and is a straw man.
Anurag> What does this line mean?
Deu >
> The thought of kundalini leading to genius is sad. First of all, beware of
> anything that glorifies a snake! The "conciousness runs straight up the spine
> to the brain (command post of the soul) to come out in your third eye. STOP
> for a second and think of the methods used to reach this state. Emptying your
> mind. If you empty it, someone else will enter.
Anurag > One empties one's mind so that one can concentrate fully on
one thing. If one has control over one's mind and is strong
enough
than noone can enter one's mind.
Deu>
The people who are experts
> in this field worship thousands of gods, if not more. They practice a mantra.
> The mantra is designed to summon the god being called.
Anurag> I think one cannot study all aspects of anything at the
same time. That's why to God is worshipped in different
forms to
know GOD'S different aspects.
Mantra is used not only to
summon God but can be used for healing any disease , to get
wealth,
to seek the answers of questions from GOD, to get rid of your
enemies,to get rid of bad spirits,to raise one's confidence.
Deu anything uttered from mouth or recvited in mind is a mantra.
Deu >
You see, you empty
> your soul, and call for another spirit to enter into it. The Bible describes
> these gods as unclean spirits, deceivers, and devils. They may be extemelly
> wise, but they are also malignant. They are liars. The promises they give
> are a pretty package that's empty inside.
Anurag > Deu have you talked to these Gods or know them personally.
Otherwise how can you know so much about them.
Deu >
The only person who delivers on
> promises is Jesus Christ. Anyone who doesn't say that Jesus Christ is come in
> the flesh is a liar and trying to deceive you. Be for warned.
>
Anurag > Deu has any of those gods said that Jesus didn't came in
flesh. Rather someone told me that Jesus and Krishna have
met each other during there life times.
Deu >
> There is no "better business" organization out there to keep these spiritists
> in line and give a critical analysis. If they are lying to you (and friend
> they are) you could be is serious danger. I love you and DON'T want you to be
> fooled or hurt. This message is a plee to your love for truth, not
> convenience.
> I realize you have good intensions and only want to helf others and
> yourselves, but the end does not justify the means (no matter what Catholic
> Jesuit says so). It is like white witchcraft. Those who practice it claim to
> mean well (and many do). But, even Anton Levey himself said that "anyone who
> thinks there is a difference between white and black magic is deceived, they
> both have the same source of power" (a rare bit of truth from a professional
> liar).
Anurag > Everything that's there is from this universe so I think
there is nothing wrong with "both have the same source of
power"
Deu >
The Bible doesn't say that white witchcraft is ok, but, black is an
> abomination. Both are condemned. One is violent and one is hypocritical.
> I'm not saying that kundalini is witchcraft stuff,
Anurag > witches are existent in some other form of life . So, what's
wrong with witches.
Deu >
but I am saying that it is
> anti-biblical. If you love the truth, read the book of John and then Romans
> in a King James Bible (the others have been intentionally tampered with).
> Then you will have heard both sides and will be able to make an objective
> choice of what to believe and what to practice.
Anurag > How can the kundalini be anti-biblical when through it
one gains love and compassion which you can see is present
on the face of BUDHHA.
Deu I think one should experience the things and think over
them before concluding to something and that too without
any bias or hatred.
Deu I think one shouldn't say bad words to anyone because everthing in
this world is a part of GOD.
Love,
anurag
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 12:23:48 -0500
From: Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospambryant.edu>
To: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>
CC: Deu83ATnospamaol.com, Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: universal approach
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Anurag Goel wrote:
Deu I think one shouldn't say bad words to anyone because everthing in
this world is a part of GOD.
> Love,
> anurag
Well then "bad words" must be part of GOD too!.........Harsha
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 10:17:14 PST
From: "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Cc: stuartfATnospamdimensional.com
Subject: Re: Prannothana?
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Stuart,
In reply to your post:
>Is anyone familiar or can define this term (Prannothana?)? It came
>up in a alt.yoga post and although it's vaguely familiar I can't
>remember it's meaning.
I've never heard the term before and I thought over the last several
years I'd heard, though I might not understand the meaning of, most
sanskrit terms that relate to yoga and kundalini. My best guess is that
somewhere along the line someone heard, but didn't see, "pranayama" and
it was pronounced oddly or mumbled or they just heard it wrong.
If you do get a real definition I'd like to know both the meaning and
the source (in the ancient texts).
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Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 13:31:37 -0500
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: rhk47f2ATnospamwebtv.net, Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
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Robert h. Krueger wrote:
> Its been written , That he who overcomes will be given a white stone,
> with a name upon it,only he will know. Does any one out there know that name?
Out there?
No.
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 11:56:09 -0800
From: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
To: "'Stuart'" <stuartfATnospamdimensional.com>,
"kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com"
<kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: RE: Prannothana?
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I believe it is:
Praa.na - the life-giving energy
+ utthaana - standing up, origin, open
= praa.notthaana - the opening up of pranic energy - particularly when it
enters the central channel
In other words the, ordinarily the prana moves around the body - but
through yogic practice, grace or whatever, it can become steady and flower.
When it enters the central channel or sushumna it becomes very steady and
very open and free flowing. Since mind follows prana the mind becomes
steady and focused as well. And since the third part of the equalion is the
bindu - the quintessential sexual energy - then this comes under control as
well.
Of course if you start unraveling other parts of the equation - letting
your mind run wild, sexual excess etc, then the chances of pranotthana
happening to begin with are pretty slim.
Kurt
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From: Stuart [SMTP:stuartfATnospamdimensional.com]
Sent: Friday, March 20, 1998 5:41 AM
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Prannothana?
Is anyone familiar or can define this term? It came up in a alt.yoga
post and although it's vaguely familiar I can't remember it's meaning.
Thanks
Stuart
stuartfATnospamdimensional.com
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 19:47:49 GMT
From: "Georgia" <6751202XATnospamMMU.AC.UK>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
Message-ID: <7417C4505BEATnospamartemis.als.stu.mmu.ac.uk>
> Robert h. Krueger wrote:
>
> > Its been written , That he who overcomes will be given a white stone,
> > with a name upon it,only he will know. Does any one out there know that name?
>
> Out there?
> No.
maybe it's not for you to know. The right one will....
Georgia
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 12:02:11 -0800
From: freda <fredaATnospamblarg.net>
To: Jeff Jackson <jacksonATnospamdaimler.ucs.indiana.edu>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: One truth
Message-ID: <3512CB43.2DE4ATnospamblarg.net>
seems we may be onto something here :)
> Jeff makes a statement:
>It seems one truth is elusive, yet attainable. This exchange of approximations
>of a quote in popular culture made me wonder about the possible confusion
>in scriptures from various cultures generated over millennia.
> Stuart asks:
> >Is anyone familiar or can define this term (Prannothana?)? It came
> >up in a alt.yoga post and although it's vaguely familiar I can't
> >remember it's meaning.
> > > and Joseph responds to Stuart:
> > > I've never heard the term before and I thought over the last several
> > > years I'd heard, though I might not understand the meaning of, most
> > > sanskrit terms that relate to yoga and kundalini. My best guess is that
> > > somewhere along the line someone heard, but didn't see, "pranayama" and
> > > it was pronounced oddly or mumbled or they just heard it wrong.
listening.....
freda
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 11:42:52
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: spiritual healer Joseph Mano Holzer USA
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>Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 07:03:57 -0600
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>From: Max Van Eys <max.eysATnospamtip.nl>
>Subject: spiritual healer Joseph Mano Holzer USA
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>Hello folks,
>
>In Mill Valley lives the Spiritual Healer Joseph Mano Holzer (45 years
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>System and all the channels. You can see something of Joseph Mano Holzer on
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>
>In June and July 1998 Joseph is coming to Europe (Netherlands, Germany and
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>
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>
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>
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>
>
>March 20, 1998
>
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