1998/03/15 22:10
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #198
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 198
Today's Topics:
Re: The Lobster Situation [ Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.te ]
For an end to the Lobster situation [ "Roberto Gonzales del Valle" <rgvgATnospam ]
Lobster situation-Serious Humor! [ Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: For an end to the Lobster situat [ Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.te ]
Re: The Lobster Situation [ "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com> ]
The Ascent and Descent of the Shakti [ Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: power of words [ Mary Ezzell <maryATnospamsonic.net> ]
Handshake to Lobster and Love to you [ "Roberto Gonzales del Valle" <rgvgATnospam ]
[Fwd: HRTZEN: amusement break!] [ valeriec <madammumATnospamptialaska.net> ]
Re: Discovering the reptile within [ Jerry Katz <umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca> ]
I want to subscribe. [ Shamanic Scene <shamanicsceneATnospamyahoo ]
Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #192 [ "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail. ]
Re: Excuse Me [ "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com> ]
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 22:54:50 +0100
From: Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: The Lobster Situation
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Hi Roberto! :)
At 12:06 1998.03.15 PST, you wrote:
>Lobster and list:
>
>As you thought I read your reply. Coulnd´t resist. As I said before I´m
>sorry but I think sometimes it is best and clearer from a person to say
>to other a "bad word" instead of being:
> polite-and-sutil-but-extremely-mean.
>
>When I wrote about erasing your e-mails, I meant when reading half of
>them because I knew where they were going to...
>
>What pissed me off was when YOU WROTE:
>
>"You are so right! I have been saying that to these heathens for ages -
>Do you think they listen - they're too busy worshipping the Son - eh -
>sorry sun".
>
>"...Practically everyone on this list is possesed by demons and lies.
>Thank God that you and I are posessed by the Holy Ghost. I think we
>should get down on our knees right now and pray aloud; "Thank you Lord
>Jesus for protecting me from Mantras".
>
>Why then, staying in here?
>
>So, if we are all full of demons and lies you must not take for granted
>anything we say. You must instead try to save us being possesed by the
>Holy Spirit as you are.
I think you don't know Lobster very well, do you? :))) LOL :)))
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Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 14:18:29 PST
From: "Roberto Gonzales del Valle" <rgvgATnospamhotmail.com>
To: sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: For an end to the Lobster situation
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Hi Daniel and list members:
Thanks to friendly people on the list I realized the sarcasm on the note
I quoted from Lobster ;-) and had a big laugh out of it! Lobster: I give
you credit for it. So, people, excuse my ignorance but understand that
being Spanish my "mother languaje" it is hard for me to dig "double
sense" English. And, why not I admit I was dumb. But it was a good one.
One learns something everyday. And today I learnt no to take everything
so seriously. Thank you for the feedback.
Roberto.
>Hi Roberto! :)
>At 12:06 1998.03.15 PST, you wrote:
>>Lobster and list:
>>
>>As you thought I read your reply. Coulnd=B4t resist. As I said before
I=B4=
>m=20
>>sorry but I think sometimes it is best and clearer from a person to
say=20
>>to other a "bad word" instead of being:
>> polite-and-sutil-but-extremely-mean.
>>
>>When I wrote about erasing your e-mails, I meant when reading half
of=20
>>them because I knew where they were going to...
>>
>>What pissed me off was when YOU WROTE:
>>
>>"You are so right! I have been saying that to these heathens for ages
-=20
>>Do you think they listen - they're too busy worshipping the Son - eh
-=20
>>sorry sun".
>>
>>"...Practically everyone on this list is possesed by demons and
lies.=20
>>Thank God that you and I are posessed by the Holy Ghost. I think we=20
>>should get down on our knees right now and pray aloud; "Thank you
Lord=20
>>Jesus for protecting me from Mantras".
>>
>>Why then, staying in here?
>>
>>So, if we are all full of demons and lies you must not take for
granted=20
>>anything we say. You must instead try to save us being possesed by
the=20
>>Holy Spirit as you are.=20
>
>I think you don't know Lobster very well, do you? :))) LOL :)))
>
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>Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/1377
>
>
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Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 18:02:12 EST
From: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
To: rgvgATnospamhotmail.com, sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Lobster situation-Serious Humor!
Message-ID: <25a57e61.350c5defATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-03-15 17:19:29 EST, rgvgATnospamhotmail.com writes:
<< One learns something everyday. And today I learnt no to take everything
so seriously. >>
Yes Roberto. That is a beautiful lesson. The Buddhist also say "Do not be
bothered by anything." Today I proclaim you a Buddhist! By the way I have no
such formal authority, only the Lobster can truly do it! But he may decide to
make you a Sufi instead! I think there is a special but secret dance you will
have to learn. It will take a bit of doing and you will have to be quick on
your feet. Are you ready brother? Remember the Lobster really loves
you!.............Harsha
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 00:06:17 +0100
From: Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: For an end to the Lobster situation
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Hi Roberto! :)
At 14:18 1998.03.15 PST, you wrote:
>Hi Daniel and list members:
>
>Thanks to friendly people on the list I realized the sarcasm on the note
>I quoted from Lobster ;-) and had a big laugh out of it! Lobster: I give
>you credit for it. So, people, excuse my ignorance but understand that
>being Spanish my "mother languaje" it is hard for me to dig "double
>sense" English. And, why not I admit I was dumb. But it was a good one.
>
>One learns something everyday. And today I learnt no to take everything
>so seriously. Thank you for the feedback.
I'm glad this one is sorted out. :)
Take care! :)
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Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 15:15:30 PST
From: "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com>
To: lobsterATnospamclara.net, rgvgATnospamhotmail.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: The Lobster Situation
Message-ID: <19980315231531.3479.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
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>As you thought I read your reply. Coulnd´t resist. As I said before I´m
>sorry but I think sometimes it is best and clearer from a person to say
>to other a "bad word" instead of being:
> polite-and-sutil-but-extremely-mean.
>
>When I wrote about erasing your e-mails, I meant when reading half of
>them because I knew where they were going to...
>
>What pissed me off was when YOU WROTE:
>Dear Roberto and Lobster:
What follows is a prime example of the difficulties of someone for whom
English is NOT their first language,, to actually pick up on the
subtleties of "tongue-in-cheek" humor... (Lobster, did you not recently
say sarcasm was not so good??) Well, Roberto, it did not mean to me that
Lobster was seriously agreeing with the post.. but he was making fun of
it with his wacky humor again. So it is ALL just a big
misunderstanding.. no one's fault.. no point in blaming or being angry
at anyone for this language problem..it was just humor lost in
translation..the subtleties of tone of voice are difficult to pick up
and it seems possible and understandable that Roberto just took
Lobster's words very literally as being his sincere thoughts. Do, you
guys can shake hands and be friends now, NO?? yes?? It was jokes and
kidding, Roberto, in the FIRST place..ok??
At least I, for one, can see the good intent you BOTH have..
Love works?? No Kidding??
Glo Lee
>"You are so right! I have been saying that to these heathens for ages -
>Do you think they listen - they're too busy worshipping the Son - eh -
>sorry sun".
><BIG SNIP>
>
>And List: Excuse this 22 year college student who sometimes misses the
>point. We are all here for one purpose. But sometimes I get out of
line.
>I can help sometimes but NEED help most of the time. You know how tough
>and strange is this part of the journey we are all into.
>
>Peace and Love are the real answer. How I wish I was around in the
>sixties. How I wish I was older and wiser.
>Roberto,
This is so sweet of you to say. I mean I WAS around, growing up in the
60's and it ended up just breaking my heart mostly. Especially with all
the deaths of Kennedys and Martin Luther King..It became very sad to see
the ideals die then. So, be glad you are here NOW.. peace and love are
ALWAYS needed in this world. You will be too soon old and too late
smart, just like most of us. but its sort of OK, anyway.
Such small mistakes from a misunderstanding are certainly no problem..so
please continue to post your thoughts here.. you are loved and
appreciated here, too.
Can you say groovy???
ha ha ..Glo Lee
>Love makes the world go round. Let`s keep on spinning the wheel!
>
>
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Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 18:51:36 EST
From: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
To: umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca, keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: The Ascent and Descent of the Shakti
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In a message dated 98-03-14 13:11:26 EST, umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca writes:
<< The descent of kundalini brings music, Guru's, entirely composed
writings. It seems to me higher cortical functions operate there and
that genius may be associated with the gifts of that descent as well. Is
that kundalini or something totally off the mark?
Harsha writes: Shakti has many names and many manifestations and one of them
is Maha Sarswati or the Supreme Goddess of Wisdom. There is significant
historical evidence for supporting the notion that many genuine mystics
(although not all) are inspired writers and poets but it goes much beyond
that. I am reminded of the story of the great Sanskrit poet Ganapati Muni who
was a devotee of Ramana Maharshi. Ganapati Muni, a Kundalini adept and a Guru
in his own right, once told Ramana Maharshi that he had announced the date for
his reciting a 1000 songs to the Goddess (Usha Sahasharam). On the appointed
day about a 100 people had gathered but Ganapati Muni had only composed 700
stanzas. A few hours remained. Ramana Maharshi became aware that 300 more
stanzas were needed. He gazed at Ganapati Muni and became silent. From that
minute Ganapati Muni spontaneously started loudly uttering the remaining 300
stanzas and his disciples tried to keep pace and write them down. Ramana
Maharshi opened his eyes only after Ganapati Muni had sponataneously composed
the required 300 stanzas. The great Sage who had been completely silent during
the whole time then asked Ganapati Muni, "Did you taken down everything I
said"! Ganapati Muni said,Yes! This is how the last 300 stanzas of Usha
Sahasharam (1000 songs to the Goddess) were composed. Those 300 stanzas were
never revised or modified by Ganapati Muni as they had come out perfect the
very first time.
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 16:14:53 -0800
From: Mary Ezzell <maryATnospamsonic.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: power of words
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I'm the one who said this ( 3/14 11:15 ):
>>>>I'd like to vote in favor of old-fashioned courtesy and consideration
>>>and tact, overall.
>>>>And against the idea "If X's words hurt Y, it's Y's fault."
At 05:40 AM 3/15/98 PST, Roberto Gonzales del Valle wrote:
>That was not mine. /snip/ I din´t
>write it so I won´t take credit for it (since it`s VERY WISE).
Thank you very much.
> I secondend that vote because I do believe that INTENTIONS,
May I clarify? I said "old-fashioned courtesy ... and tact". The
old-fashioned sort is more about the sentences actually written than about
some telepathic intention.
It's hard for people to know what 'intention' they may be sending or
receiving telepathically. Easy to be clumsy with telepathy. :-)
But we don't have to be so clumsy with the writing we actually send by
email. I'm voting for ordinary normal courtesy in that writing.
A person can be hurt by clumsy or obscene words, even when that was not the
sender's intention. Racist slurs etc. Or things that might sound like
judgements or put-downs. So it's up to the sender to avoid things like that.
Readers can also project negative images into innocent words. But if the
words/sentences are actully plain and clean, then it is easy later to see
the projection was something different.
>>>>And against the idea "If X's words hurt Y, it's Y's fault."
I'm not talking about any one person. It's easy enough to skip messages
from certain people. I'm just speaking out against this idea being taken as
some sort of standard/consensus of the list.
Certainly it's a major belief among many New Age people. And lots of K
people are New Age.
But lots of K people have other major beliefs, which don't take over the
list -- and I don't think this belief should either.
I know a lot of people enjoy having a sort of therapy-encounter session
with each other, or a fun fight about whose negativity is whose projection.
:-) (Angelique's last post was great! I loved "I had a fit when you...."!)
It's easy enough to avoid those messages when you aren't intereested.
But what I'm writing about ... is nice new people trying to adopt that
victim-blaming standard, not because they like it, but because they think
it's part of K or some sort of requirement of this list.
I don't like to see wierd rules like that spreading outside the little
sub-groups that like them. I vote for the people who like old-fashioned
common sense (or Indian excellent manners :-) to keep using it, instead of
trying to follow wierd rules they don't like.
Mary
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 17:03:42 PST
From: "Roberto Gonzales del Valle" <rgvgATnospamhotmail.com>
To: lobsterATnospamclara.net
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Handshake to Lobster and Love to you ALL!
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Hey Lobster:
Hi again. Now we know each other a little bit better. Excuse me, really.
Harsha wrote:
<< One learns something everyday. And today I learnt no to take
everything
so seriously. >>
Yes Roberto. That is a beautiful lesson. The Buddhist also say "Do not
be
bothered by anything." Today I proclaim you a Buddhist! By the way I
have no
such formal authority, only the Lobster can truly do it! But he may
decide to
make you a Sufi instead!
I just heard the term Sufi when I was walking around town and ended
talking to the Hare Krishna people (very nice crowd by the way!)
So, Lob, Am I a Sufi. Could you clear the concept to me?
Daniel wrote:
I'm glad this one is sorted out. :)Take care! :)
Thank you, my friend.
Gloria Lee wrote:
Peace and Love are the real answer. How I wish I was around in the
>sixties. How I wish I was older and wiser. >Roberto,
This is so sweet of you to say. I mean I WAS around, growing up in the
60's and it ended up just breaking my heart mostly. Especially with all
the deaths of Kennedys and Martin Luther King..It became very sad to see
the ideals die then. So, be glad you are here NOW.. peace and love are
ALWAYS needed in this world. You will be too soon old and too late
smart, just like most of us. but its sort of OK, anyway.
Such small mistakes from a misunderstanding are certainly no problem..so
please continue to post your thoughts here.. you are loved and
appreciated here, too.Can you say groovy???ha ha ..Glo Lee
Yes Gloria I`ve always wanted to say Groovy. It feels really good. Love
to you. The best for you!
She also wrote:
...that Roberto just took
Lobster's words very literally as being his sincere thoughts. Do, you
guys can shake hands and be friends now, NO?? yes?? It was jokes and
kidding, Roberto, in the FIRST place..ok??
Lobster, my hand is reaching yours with the palm up. So it´s up to you.
pal. :-).
I really love all of you people. I feel glad to be on this list. Thank
you VERY much. All of you!
Roberto.
Lima, Peru.
Love makes the world go round. Let´s keep on spinning the wheel!
I LOVE ALL OF YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH!
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Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 16:47:37 -0800
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this is too funny!
now i can't stop laughing!!!
v
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somebody sent me this.
i couldn't help but lol!
:-))
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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 00:12:39 -0800
From: Jerry Katz <umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca>
To: E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net>, peglumpkinATnospamaol.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Discovering the reptile within
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> on 14 Mar 98, PEGLUMPKIN wrote...
>
> >body/mind is a real gas. Did you read the news that scientists achieved 100%
> >consistent results in an experiment showing that you can reset the body's
> >sleep cycle by shining a light to the back of the knees? The eyes have
> >nothing to do with it!
Ed wrote:
> These New Age Scientists get weirder all the time. Soon they will be
> investigating crystals and trying to measure the light that shines out . . .
> Part of the reason for the people espousing Kundalini or any worthwhile subject
> in a meaningful way and to discourage the wilder excesses and theories - is -
> wider acceptance. If you think it deserves wider acceptance it must be
> acceptable (no more clues).
>
> Lobster
> Off to invent the light shining alarm clock that you strap to the back of your
> knees.
>
> subject deserving
Jerry writes:
Ed, I've got one of those little lobster forks here and it has your name
on it...I'll try not to twist it, but...
Peg's right. The journal Science in their January 16, 1998, issue
published a thing entitled "Extraocular Circadian Phototransduction in
Humans." The research was done at Cornell University Medical College. It
involved shining a light on the back of subjects' knees. If you or
anyone else wants more info, just ask.
Take care,
Jerry
Read excerpts of R.J. Campbell's Sermons: Early 20th Century Christian
Minister with Hindu Leanings at http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/umbada. If
you liked Nondual Walt Whitman, you'll also like Campbell. Thank you.
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 19:56:39 -0800 (PST)
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Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 20:10:52 PST
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Subject: Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #192
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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 15:20:01 -0800
From: Dan Margolis <margolisATnospamtransbay.net>
To: Kundalini Mailing List <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Questions about Kundalini
Recently I've had a series of experiences which I've now
identified as a kundalini awakening.
I've been practicing Zen-Buddhism for about 2 years, and
have a steady meditation practice. I practice a local Zendo
and generally meditate about 5 times a week. For the last
month I've noticed a change in my meditation. I've felt
energy/tension building through my spine. Since I have bad
knees I pay particular attention to my posture while
meditating. About two weeks ago when I was meditating at
home I felt the tension/energy in my lower spine and watched
it slowly building up my back. I was mostly focusing on my
breath but I noticed the pressure move slowly upwards. It
went through my neck and reached my head. Just before it
reached the top of my head I felt a tremendous sense of
electricity and anticipation. My mind became very quiet and
I was with my breath. Then the energy burst through the top
of my head and I went into a series of seizures and
convulsions. I was conscious the entire time this was
happening and observed this occuring. I only stopped when I
fell off my meditation cushion. I got up had a drink of
water and noticed I was incredibly twitch. I would
spontaneously start shaking in different parts of my body.
I also could summon a seizure at will. I had a feeling of
calm and clearness, but very little physical control of my
head, neck and back. I noted the experience, but weird
things happen while your meditating so I didn't think much
of it.
Since the experience I've started a daily stretching/yoga
practice that I had been meaning to do but never got around
to. The next time I meditated it didn't happen, but the
last two times I meditated at home I've had the same
experience and seizures towards the end of the meditation
session. I've stopped meditating at the Zendo because
seizures are not a part of Zen meditation. I've also cut
down my meditation a lot because I was a little worried
about this.
Right now I have mixed feelings about this experience.
Physically my body has started transforming, I'm stretching
more and becoming more flexible. After each of the bursting
experiences I would start spontaneously doing yoga stretches
and positions. My body moved in a very fluid relaxed
manner. Mentally I was clear but a little disassociated and
detached. When I write about this experience I have the
same sense of detachment which may explain the tone of the
posting. I'm a little troubled by the seizures and shaking,
but physically I feel great. I also am aware that this sort
of experience can be dangerous.
My questions:
Are there health effects that I should be aware of?
Should I continue meditating at a Zen center where the
teachings are not concerned with this type
of energy movement?
Should I try to find a yoga teacher that focuses on this
sort of energy, eventhough I'm a
Buddhist?
I realize that some of these questions have probably already
been answered, I haven't had a chance to look at the mailing
list archives. If there are discussions posted could you
refer me to the documents that describe them.
Thanks,
Dan M.
Dan,
1. There are very real possible health effects if the energy is
blocked and takes the "wrong road" in your body. I am not the expert in
this area but I've met people who developed serious problems when they
didn't clear up blockages within a reasonable time. I can put you in
touch with some people who are experts in this area if you're
interested.
2. It is between you and the center. They would also have to put up
with any Kriyas you show. If you or they don't feel comfortable with
that maybe you shouldn't go there. If you don't mind and they are OK
with it, go. You need emotional support now, this list will help but
having someone in-person would be a big help too. If you think of your
Zendo as a place to get that try to make it a part of you life, or find
something to replace it that gives you that emotional support.
3. It would appear in your case (and in a lot of others, that is why
Hatha Yoga was created) you do need to get into a good Hatha program.
You've run the experiment, the Hatha like movements you did helped, keep
doing them.
Don't go in for the "extreme" yoga with all the ropes and props. If you
can't do it on a mat with a reasonable amount of clear floor space it is
over the top. I say that because some of the programs getting the most
attention, in the US at least, were never designed to deal with
Kundalini (traditional Hatha is intended to prepare the body for
Kundalini movements). These 20th century versions of Hatha often appear
to be better for the physical body than the traditional forms but they
don't have the basis in the proper movements of the subtle body that the
masters who developed yoga had.
You don't have to be a Hindu to use their tools. I practice the religion
of my Cherokee ancestors but I use the tools I learned from a few good
Hatha teachers, a learned instructor in the philosophy, and a Kundalini
master I met in north India. Hindus in particular are very open as a
rule (though given the history between Buddhists and Hindus in India
some can be a bit touchy about it).
You are not the first to have these experiences. If you'd like more info
drop me a note off list and we can talk more about it.
Namaste,
Joe
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Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 20:40:26 PST
From: "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, linnymATnospamnidlink.com
Subject: Re: Excuse Me
Message-ID: <19980316044027.19849.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
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>
>My apologies to group, the previous post from me was not written by me,
but
>Joshua. Sorry, also Joshua, I am NOT trying to take credit for your
words,
>quite the contrary.
>
>I just sent it to the group for comment, because I truly grow weary
with
>closed minded belief systems.
>
>
>
>Dave
>
>
>Dear Dave,
Just jumping in here when I truly ought to know better...but isn't even
what you regard as a "closed minded belief system" just another
path??Its not their beliefs so much as the attempt to impose them on you
(and others) that seems to be what you are reacting to here. This is
actually impossible,( to impose beliefs ) so is fairly easy to deal
with. It is helpful to not let ourselves become too attached to our own
views. anyway.
Within his own belief system, even Joshua is extending some love and
concern to you..so where's the harm in that?? It has been helpful to me
to see past anyone's particular belief system..to see their intent is
usually motivated by goodness and even a "mistaken" idea of your needs
can be received with understanding on your part. I view even my own
views with much skepticism, as they have so often changed and I wish to
remain open to change and flexible about them...the strangest beliefs
seem to still be able to serve people..and like the clothes they wear
must seem attractive to them. Why should my opinion matter any more then
their own? Well, it is possible to not be upset and to accept and meet
all people with loving kindness, regardless of their ideas or your own
belief's..if you regard it as of not much more importance than the
clothes they happen to be wearing today. I myself, have worn some rather
outlandish costumes from time to time.. heheh..
just trying to be helpful..sure you catch my drift here, anyway.
But it just makes life far more enjoyable, once you give up any need to
be right... let alone the attempt to prove your views are right.
You may want to try this..no need to upset yourself.
Glo Lee
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