1998/03/14 22:55
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #195
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 195
Today's Topics:
universal approach [ Deu8 3 <Deu83ATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Questions about Kundalini [ "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.or ]
Re: universal approach [ tgxxxATnospamjuno.com (tg langston) ]
Dogon Tribe [ tgxxxATnospamjuno.com (tg langston) ]
Re: universal approach [ "Dave" <linnymATnospamnidlink.com> ]
Re: universal approach [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ]
Re: universal approach [ "Dave" <linnymATnospamnidlink.com> ]
Excuse Me [ "Dave" <linnymATnospamnidlink.com> ]
Re: universal approach [ "Bob English" <gtaATnospamlanset.com> ]
Re: Excuse Me [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ]
Re: universal approach [ anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities. ]
Re: Excuse Me [ "Dave" <linnymATnospamnidlink.com> ]
RE: universal approach [ Jerry Katz <umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca> ]
Re: African magic...(Kurt) [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ]
Re: Discovering the Reptile within [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ]
Re: Words from a new friend! [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ]
emergency! [ valeriec <madammumATnospamptialaska.net> ]
Re: emergency! [ Mary Ezzell <maryATnospamsonic.net> ]
Re: Excuse Me [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 20:42:03 EST
From: Deu8 3 <Deu83ATnospamaol.com>
To: PEGLUMPKINATnospamaol.com
Cc: keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.com, Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, DKS4567ATnospamaol.com
Subject: universal approach
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the wholistic approach is in error. Sorry, but it is true. It doesn't matter
if you call it ki, chi, innate force, conciousness, or kundalini.
It's root is in self-worship and fire (sun)-worship.
The ki is the system of electricity (hence "energy") which flows through the
body. It would be comparable to the blood flow (although it runs on a
different map). The body has arteries which take fresh oxygenated blood from
the heart (command post of the flesh) to the body. The veins carry it back
for rejuvination. Similarly, the nerves, dendrites, dermatones, etc. run the
electricity from the brain (command post of the soul) throughout and back.
The particular highways will effect other body parts down the road. For
instance, a man who is struck on the inside of the leg several times in the
right place will end up with liver failure. This is why the Free Masons and
Mormons and Pagans have certain pressure points to tough in there greetings.
They are for sexual stimulation.
The wholism leads to misdx. in many cases, and is a straw man.
The thought of kundalini leading to genius is sad. First of all, beware of
anything that glorifies a snake! The "conciousness runs straight up the spine
to the brain (command post of the soul) to come out in your third eye. STOP
for a second and think of the methods used to reach this state. Emptying your
mind. If you empty it, someone else will enter. The people who are experts
in this field worship thousands of gods, if not more. They practice a mantra.
The mantra is designed to summon the god being called. You see, you empty
your soul, and call for another spirit to enter into it. The Bible describes
these gods as unclean spirits, deceivers, and devils. They may be extemelly
wise, but they are also malignant. They are liars. The promises they give
are a pretty package that's empty inside. The only person who delivers on
promises is Jesus Christ. Anyone who doesn't say that Jesus Christ is come in
the flesh is a liar and trying to deceive you. Be for warned.
There is no "better business" organization out there to keep these spiritists
in line and give a critical analysis. If they are lying to you (and friend
they are) you could be is serious danger. I love you and DON'T want you to be
fooled or hurt. This message is a plee to your love for truth, not
convenience.
I realize you have good intensions and only want to helf others and
yourselves, but the end does not justify the means (no matter what Catholic
Jesuit says so). It is like white witchcraft. Those who practice it claim to
mean well (and many do). But, even Anton Levey himself said that "anyone who
thinks there is a difference between white and black magic is deceived, they
both have the same source of power" (a rare bit of truth from a professional
liar). The Bible doesn't say that white witchcraft is ok, but, black is an
abomination. Both are condemned. One is violent and one is hypocritical.
I'm not saying that kundalini is witchcraft stuff, but I am saying that it is
anti-biblical. If you love the truth, read the book of John and then Romans
in a King James Bible (the others have been intentionally tampered with).
Then you will have heard both sides and will be able to make an objective
choice of what to believe and what to practice.
A concerned friend
Joshua
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 21:13:01 -0600 (CST)
From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Questions about Kundalini
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<<Since the experience I've started a daily stretching/yoga
practice that I had been meaning to do but never got around
to. The next time I meditated it didn't happen, but the
last two times I meditated at home I've had the same
experience and seizures towards the end of the meditation
session. I've stopped meditating at the Zendo because
seizures are not a part of Zen meditation. I've also cut
down my meditation a lot because I was a little worried
about this.>>
deb writes: Hi Dan! I do zazen too, altho not as much since i switched
into the Vajrayana. Have you heard of 'makyo'? Zen term for strange
visions, body motions, other side effects of meditation.
i started having lots of visions & stuff doing zazen, and my teacher, zen
master dae gak told me mainly to keep centered in my hara when it would
flare. Hara is in zen terms the center of your energy. He told me to drop
my consciousness into the hara and ride it out like the center of the
hurricane.
The visions, bliss etc are side effects of meditation. They come & go. I
went for a period where it seemed like i was always either in extreme
bliss (fired from low, later the calmer kind fired from higher up the
system), or having visions of this or that.
. My body would be jarred into stillness from teh force of it.
Once the zendo monitor clacked the chugpi and i was stuck in this 'icant
move, but i'm way aware of everything' stage.
my guess is its probably easier to deal with it if you try to keep up with
your method. Is there a resident zen master? chances are if you describe
what is going on, they can help you. If you can discuss it in Dokusan,
one-on-one it can really help.
<< Should I continue meditating at a Zen center where the
teachings are not concerned with this type
of energy movement?>>
My zen master seems to be knowlegable enough to help... i would check with
the zen center's guiding teacher if you can. What is often not talked
about all the time is known about and if its affecting your practise, its
worth a chat. Altho the Yoga teachers may help too. I cant imagine someone
having a problem with Buddhism....altho another option would be a Lama,
the Tibetans seem rather knowlegable about it too.
my 2 cents!
--janpa tsomo (debora orf)
outside the teahouse,
Yellow Crocus!
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 23:13:25 -0500
From: tgxxxATnospamjuno.com (tg langston)
To: Deu83ATnospamaol.com
Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, butterbean6ATnospamjuno.com
Subject: Re: universal approach
Message-ID: <19980314.231716.13822.4.tgxxxATnospamjuno.com>
A Concerned Friend Joshua forwarned:
<< Anyone who doesn't say that... Jesus Christ is come in the flesh...
is a liar and trying to deceive you. Be for warned.>>
....... Jesus Christ is come in the flesh.......
I certainly don't want to be one of the liars and try to deceive you or
anyone, so I'm saying it. Now you know I am truthful and honest.
Thanks for the warning friend.
Now Honest AND Truthful (no longer a deceptive liar),
xxxtg
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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 22:23:22 -0500
From: tgxxxATnospamjuno.com (tg langston)
To: PEGLUMPKINATnospamAOL.COM
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Dogon Tribe
Message-ID: <19980314.231716.13822.2.tgxxxATnospamjuno.com>
Peg wrote: << He asked if the word "Dogon" meant anything to me. >>
The only thing I noticed about the word is it spells NoGod backwards.
xxxgt
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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 20:21:32 -0800
From: "Dave" <linnymATnospamnidlink.com>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>, <Deu83ATnospamaol.com>
Subject: Re: universal approach
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>Deu 8 3 (or Perhaps Joshua) said :
>the wholistic approach is in error. Sorry, but it is true. It doesn't
matter
>if you call it ki, chi, innate force, conciousness, or kundalini.
>It's root is in self-worship and fire (sun)-worship.
>The ki is the system of electricity (hence "energy") which flows through
the
>body. It would be comparable to the blood flow (although it runs on a
>different map). The body has arteries which take fresh oxygenated blood
from
>the heart (command post of the flesh) to the body. The veins carry it back
>for rejuvination. Similarly, the nerves, dendrites, dermatones, etc. run
the
>electricity from the brain (command post of the soul) throughout and back.
>The particular highways will effect other body parts down the road. For
>instance, a man who is struck on the inside of the leg several times in the
>right place will end up with liver failure. This is why the Free Masons
and
>Mormons and Pagans have certain pressure points to tough in there
greetings.
>They are for sexual stimulation.
>The wholism leads to misdx. in many cases, and is a straw man.
>The thought of kundalini leading to genius is sad. First of all, beware of
>anything that glorifies a snake! The "conciousness runs straight up the
spine
>to the brain (command post of the soul) to come out in your third eye.
STOP
>for a second and think of the methods used to reach this state. Emptying
your
>mind. If you empty it, someone else will enter. The people who are
experts
>in this field worship thousands of gods, if not more. They practice a
mantra.
>The mantra is designed to summon the god being called. You see, you empty
>your soul, and call for another spirit to enter into it. The Bible
describes
>these gods as unclean spirits, deceivers, and devils. They may be
extemelly
>wise, but they are also malignant. They are liars. The promises they give
>are a pretty package that's empty inside. The only person who delivers on
>promises is Jesus Christ. Anyone who doesn't say that Jesus Christ is come
in
>the flesh is a liar and trying to deceive you. Be for warned.
>
>There is no "better business" organization out there to keep these
spiritists
>in line and give a critical analysis. If they are lying to you (and friend
>they are) you could be is serious danger. I love you and DON'T want you to
be
>fooled or hurt. This message is a plee to your love for truth, not
>convenience.
>I realize you have good intensions and only want to helf others and
>yourselves, but the end does not justify the means (no matter what Catholic
>Jesuit says so). It is like white witchcraft. Those who practice it claim
to
>mean well (and many do). But, even Anton Levey himself said that "anyone
who
>thinks there is a difference between white and black magic is deceived,
they
>both have the same source of power" (a rare bit of truth from a
professional
>liar). The Bible doesn't say that white witchcraft is ok, but, black is an
>abomination. Both are condemned. One is violent and one is hypocritical.
>I'm not saying that kundalini is witchcraft stuff, but I am saying that it
is
>anti-biblical. If you love the truth, read the book of John and then
Romans
>in a King James Bible (the others have been intentionally tampered with).
>Then you will have heard both sides and will be able to make an objective
>choice of what to believe and what to practice.
>A concerned friend
>Joshua
>
Do I detect a "personal" interpretation here? Or maybe the demons in my
head
are indeed deceiving me. I guess that what you are trying to "share" with us
is that K is an isolated force that leads to "possession" by evil forces. I
cannot refrain from saying "Holy Dark Ages!"
I appreciate anybody's views on life, but please stick with your own tribe
if you are going to go around and use your interpretation of the Bible as an
attempt to undermine our freedom to discuss openly any views we want to.
Did not Jesus also say: "Judge not lest thee be judged?" and "the kingdom of
God is within?"
How can we find God without trusting the life-force He granted us in the
first place?
Freedom of expression is the wonderful part of this newsgroup, whether we
agree with each other or not. Most of us in this newsgroup probably have
read the Bible, yet that is not where it stops. There are many other books
that help point the way to soul growth.
If you don't agree with this group, I would recommend that you go elsewhere.
YOU HAVE THAT FREEDOM!
Dave
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 23:44:45 -0500
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Deu8 3 <Deu83ATnospamaol.com>
CC: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: universal approach
Message-ID: <350B5CBC.37BCATnospammail.snet.net>
Deu8 3 wrote:
> The thought of kundalini leading to genius is sad.
You have sadness. The thought is neutral. You project your saddness
on the thought.
> First of all, beware of anything that glorifies a snake!
Or any symbol.
> Emptying your mind. If you empty it, someone else will enter.
You fear yourself.
> You see, you empty
> your soul, and call for another spirit to enter into it.
It might be higher self but how could you know?
> The Bible describes
> these gods as unclean spirits, deceivers, and devils.
No no no.
Ego describes this Spirit as perverted.
> I love you and DON'T want you to be fooled or hurt.
Good. But get to know me...
> This message is a plee to your love for truth,
Really?
>"anyone who
> thinks there is a difference between white and black magic is deceived, they
> both have the same source of power"
The power we use to give ourself disease is the same power
we use to heal.
> The Bible doesn't say that white witchcraft is ok, but, black is an
> abomination. Both are condemned.
The one who condemns is condemned.
> I'm not saying that kundalini is witchcraft stuff, but I am saying that it is
> anti-biblical.
Nothing opposes truth.
> Then you will have heard both sides and will be able to make an objective
> choice of what to believe and what to practice.
Sometimes two different sides are really the same side.
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 20:47:39 -0800
From: "Dave" <linnymATnospamnidlink.com>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: universal approach
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no friend, our "ki" is not demons. Worship of ourselves is wrong though.
The
Dark Ages were dark, cause the Romans took the Bible (our light from us).
I'm not trying to anger you. But the methods of "self-enlightenment" from
the
east, are actually self-destructive. Use your energy for God. Stop quoting
convenient scripture out of context, and don't give excuses for not wanting
to
investigate the Bible yourself- John and Romans. I judge all things by the
Bible. Not with hipocracy. I will fully admit to being wrong when I step
out
of line with the Bible (as I'm known to do from time to time :-(
Sorry, if I offended you, don't mean to cause trouble, just a plea to read
for
yourself, and make an informed descision.
Joshua
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 20:55:36 -0800
From: "Dave" <linnymATnospamnidlink.com>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Excuse Me
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My apologies to group, the previous post from me was not written by me, but
Joshua. Sorry, also Joshua, I am NOT trying to take credit for your words,
quite the contrary.
I just sent it to the group for comment, because I truly grow weary with
closed minded belief systems.
Dave
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 21:04:10 -0800
From: "Bob English" <gtaATnospamlanset.com>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: universal approach
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from the essene
the dead sea scrolls
a quote from jesus to the essene
"the children of darkness have but one tool - that is the disruption of
peace - the ways it is applied are infinite -
but it is always the same tool"
Solar Lion (Bob)
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Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 00:15:01 -0500
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Excuse Me
Message-ID: <350B63D5.3140ATnospammail.snet.net>
Dave wrote:
> I truly grow weary with closed minded belief systems.
>
> Dave
If someone were free of all closed minded belief systems
would they cause one weariness?
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 21:07:17 -0800
From: anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>
To: Deu8-3ATnospamaol.com, Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: universal approach
Message-ID: <350B61F9.49358407ATnospamgeocities.com>
Deu8 3 wrote:
> the wholistic approach is in error. Sorry, but it is true. It doesn't matter
> if you call it ki, chi, innate force, conciousness, or kundalini.
> It's root is in self-worship and fire (sun)-worship.
> The ki is the system of electricity (hence "energy") which flows through the
> body. <Snipped>
> The particular highways will effect other body parts down the road.
> <snipped>
>
> The wholism leads to misdx. in many cases, and is a straw man.
> The thought of kundalini leading to genius is sad. First of all, beware of
> anything that glorifies a snake! The "conciousness runs straight up the spine
> to the brain (command post of the soul) to come out in your third eye. STOP
> for a second and think of the methods used to reach this state. Emptying your
> mind. <snipped> The Bible describes
> these gods as unclean spirits, deceivers, and devils. They may be extemelly
> wise, but they are also malignant. They are liars. The promises they give
> are a pretty package that's empty inside. The only person who delivers on
> promises is Jesus Christ. Anyone who doesn't say that Jesus Christ is come in
> the flesh is a liar and trying to deceive you. Be for warned.
>
> <snipped>
> I realize you have good intensions and only want to helf others and
> yourselves, but the end does not justify the means (no matter what Catholic
> Jesuit says so). It is like white witchcraft.
> <snipped> The Bible doesn't say that white witchcraft is ok, but, black is an
> abomination. Both are condemned. One is violent and one is hypocritical.
> I'm not saying that kundalini is witchcraft stuff, but I am saying that it is
> anti-biblical. <snipped>
> Then you will have heard both sides and will be able to make an objective
> choice of what to believe and what to practice.
> A concerned friend
> Joshua
The perspective of a concerned Atheist."You are right in your own way , dear
one.The existing religious beliefs about God or Avatars/Christ etc and how they
revealed themselves through prophets and messiahs and hpow he inspred the
scriptures are nothing but fantasies of deluded minds.The various religious
promoses about going to heaven after death, about resurrection and the coming of
the aramagedon or the paradise on earth are all but fdalse promises, that can
never be fulfilled.
But all the existing religious teachings are wrong because they all based on a
misconception of the so the Divine Order. Truth is, that There is no Divine Order.
The Universe operates on principles of contaioned chaos and God does not exist at
all.
People are misunderstanding the Infinte Plane with its transcendental potentials
for a personal god. In reality, they are worshipping a very unreliable
transcendental force, allegorically speaking.
God is sum total of everything and he is the loving heavenly father , because he
is the ultimate source of all good and at the same time, he is also the murderer
and criminal because he is the ultimate source of all evil. He is definitely
mentally deranged and can never be trusted. His behavior strongly indicates it.
This means God can only be treated as a force and not the conscious intelligent
being." Even the natural laws can change and new ones can evolve..
>From the journal of and Atheist.
The God and the dog both laugh at both, the Saint and the sinner alike. Either
Dogon or Nogod as stated in another post.
Anandajyoti
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/6782
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 21:14:34 -0800
From: "Dave" <linnymATnospamnidlink.com>
To: <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>, "Kundalini" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Excuse Me
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David Bozzi wrote:
>If someone were free of all closed minded belief systems
>would they cause one weariness?
I stand corrected, David, very good point!
Dave
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 01:48:21 -0800
From: Jerry Katz <umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: RE: universal approach
Message-ID: <350BA3E4.1657ATnospamns.sympatico.ca>
Around the turn of the century a Christian Minister by the name of R.J.
Campbell was writing and preaching this kind of stuff....listen...
"The true being is consciousness; the universe visible and invisible is
consciousness. The higher self of the individual man enfolds more of the
consciousness of God than the lower, but lower and higher are the same
beng. This may be a difficult thought to grasp, but the time is rapidly
approaching when it will be more generally accepted than it is now."
I am including a dozen or so quotes from R.J. Campbell on my webpage at
http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/umbada. They'll be up by Sunday night.
Thank you.
Jerry
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 23:35:29 -0500
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: African magic...(Kurt)
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Kurt wrote:
>There's a book called *Boiling Energy* by (Steven Katz?). The premise of
>the book is the Kalahari Kung! tribesman have a culture built around
>kundalini.
I read a book on the Kung! called "Nisa" which dealt primarily with family
relationships. The thing I enjoyed the most about it was its depiction of a
culture which had near equality between the sexes. (Sadly, this is changing
as the Kung! have begun being confined to "reservations" and their
lifestyle is changing dramatically from a proud and self-sufficient people
into a sad, government-dependant remnant.)
Nothing resembling kundalini was mentioned, as far as I could remember, but
I am delighted to hear that this other observer of the Kung! culture found
evidence of it. Maybe it will help preserve some of them.
the sometimes serious,
amckeon
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 23:35:39 -0500
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Discovering the Reptile within
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Kurt wrote:
>I'm increasing tending to believe that kundalini is not a phenomenon of our
>higher cortical brain faculties but rather the more primitive ``reptilian''
>portions of our brain.
It certainly seemed to activate that part of *my* brain. Paradoxically (of
course), sometimes the snake brain is "smarter" than the ape brain.
the occasionally humorous,
amckeon
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 23:35:45 -0500
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Words from a new friend!
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anandajyoti wrote:
>Yes, through yogic exercises a male can achieve that control, which happens
>>when one gets to consciously control the stimulus from the brain to reach the
>>organ for it to ejaculate. A similar state can also be achieved for short
>>sometimes elongated durations, through the practice of breathing techniques,
>>which women while in labor use to give birth to a child.
Fascinating. I have never heard the two techniques compared before. You
mean when I learned to breathe differently instead of following my instinct
to push during childbirth, it is the same level of difficulty as it is for
a man not to be a premature ejaculator? Whoa! There are some men who are
even more selfish and lazy than I had already given them credit for.
Present company totally excluded, of course :)
without a clever sign off,
amckeon
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 20:26:27 -0800
From: valeriec <madammumATnospamptialaska.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: emergency!
Message-ID: <350B583C.29C2ATnospamptialaska.net>
HELP!!!
I need help!
An inward battle of good & evil has me very very shakey; I cannot
concentrate on my painting, there is no one to hear the music if I
played it, & I am very very afraid!
People have always banded together in tribes & men & women learn to
cooperate for just this reason! Nobody wants to feel this way! They
would do almost anything to avoid it!
I'm not in a city. I put myself & lil girl on this dumb remote island
all by myself.
I could not find a more succinct way to torture myself if I had tried!
Is it true, what Barbra Streisand sang, 'People Who Need People'?
I am entirely surrounded by displaced pulp mill workers & their very
young wives, here!
cartoons are blaring; what do i do?
just wait for time & relief?
i feel totally helplessly at the mercy of 'unknown forces'.
i was up to yoga & stretch at 6 AM spontaneously this morning. Shouldn't
I be okay now? I did my rote meditation...why am I still freaking out?
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 21:50:53 -0800
From: Mary Ezzell <maryATnospamsonic.net>
To: madammumATnospamptialaska.net, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: emergency!
Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980314215040.00d75a94ATnospampop.sonic.net>
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At 08:26 PM 3/14/98 -0800, valeriec wrote:
>cartoons are blaring; what do i do?
Emergency noise relief I use is:
1. small bit of cotton deep in the ear
2. handlotion (applied with eyedropper or baby-medicine syringe) to fill
the ear
3. more cotton in outer part of ear to keep the lotion from running out
If I really fill it up, I can't hear anything at all. Can get quite deaf by
using a mixture of wax and oil. The small bit of cotton in first is so I
can get it out when I need to hear again. Without that, the lotion or wax
sticks to the eardrum and makes me deaf for longer than needed.
When I need to partially hear, I fill it partially and hum a mantra to make
a noise that shuts the outside noises out, or at least gives me a good
rhythm to lean on.
Old Muktananda tapes are good too. Or any classical: Beethoven, Brahams.
Resphigi is good for shopping.
>just wait for time & relief?
My intuition says suggest a hot bath. Lean back and put your ears under and
you can't hear, I think.
More later,
Blessings,
Mary
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 21:53:58 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Dave <linnymATnospamnidlink.com>
CC: david.bozziATnospamsnet.net, Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Excuse Me
Message-ID: <350AEE62.4F12ATnospamintercomm.com>
Dave wrote:
>
>
>
> David Bozzi wrote:
> >If someone were free of all closed minded belief systems
> >would they cause one weariness?
>
> I stand corrected, David, very good point!
>
> Dave
Gloria:
The thing is that it isn't realistic for people not to go through these
phases of the journey and because of this one has to have tolerance for
this stage. Who knows it may not have been that long ago when some of us
were there.
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
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