1998/03/10  22:31  
 kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #179 
  
kundalini-l-d Digest				Volume 98 : Issue 179
 
Today's Topics: 
  Re: kundalini chaos?                  [ freda <fredaATnospamblarg.net> ] 
  Hi                                    [ LHodges942 <LHodges942ATnospamaol.com> ] 
  RE: experiences                       [ "Peter Sutphen" <plslalATnospamclassic.msn ] 
  Re: Choosing Life with Angelique- Se  [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ] 
  Re: Choosing Life                     [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ] 
  Re: experiences                       [ Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> ] 
  Re: Light within                      [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistres ] 
  Re: Choosing Life                     [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistres ] 
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 14:46:25 -0800 
From: freda <fredaATnospamblarg.net> 
To: Dave Hourigan <linnymATnospamnidlink.com> 
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: kundalini chaos? 
Message-ID: <3505C2C1.648EATnospamblarg.net> 
 
Hi Dave, 
freda here: 
Yikes! oh my goodness.  
I apoligize for being one of those who have given the wrong impression 
here about the klist - don't judge the whole bunch by a couple of 
driveling emails, please. 
I understand some of what your concern,  
I was a newcommer to this list during the Angelique/Lobster thing of 
which Gloria has been refering to - 
wasn't much more than a schoolyard shout out - with some really big 
words!  
It is true, email gets emotional sometimes THATS part of why the klist 
is so great.  
nobody to "wack us up side da head" until its too late, type a little 
something in your comphy chair hit -send - too late! whatever moved your 
emotional response feels better now - but 200 people know you are acting 
like a 3rd grader. 
Stick around, it comes and it goes, and in between there's a lot of real 
good stuff comming through, 
sorry you had to catch us at one of those "moments"
 
freda 
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 17:59:05 EST 
From: LHodges942 <LHodges942ATnospamaol.com> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Hi 
Message-ID: <3f8181e1.3505c5bdATnospamaol.com> 
 
In a message dated 98-03-10 17:00:01 EST, you write:
 
<< kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
  >>
 
Hi.  I'm new to the list as of today.  My name is Leona.  I'm on other lists 
with other names, but I'll be this name in here :)  I joined this list to find 
out if what I experienced a while back was what I think it was - namely, the 
rising of the Kundalini.  I hope to find out from conversations here what 
others experience when that happens and what happens afterwards....i.e., are 
there different reactions afterwards, does everyone experience the 
same....etc...etc.. and how does the Kundalini raise?  By itself, someone else 
helping, or the person it's in.  Just a few of the many questions I have.
 
Thanks, Leona 
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 98 02:03:42 UT 
From: "Peter Sutphen" <plslalATnospamclassic.msn.com> 
To: "Susan Carlson" <divine_goddessATnospamhotmail.com>, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com 
Subject: RE: experiences 
Message-Id: <UPMAIL07.199803110158400092ATnospamclassic.msn.com>
 
Experiences are neither good nor bad, they just are.  When we are identified  
with them, that is we have an "I" that experiences "something"  we either have  
a craving for it or an aversion to it.  These are the opposite poles of  
attachment and a mark of avidya, or lack of self realization.  Attachment is  
spontaneous in the condition of ignorance.  The mind can not "remove" its very  
own attachment!  Any attempt is just a mental game.  Ramana Maharishi referred  
to it as asking the thief that is robbing you to look for the thief that is  
robbing you.  He certainly will oblige, but not much is going to happen.  Just  
find a Master, practice their program, relax and enjoy and let go.  Soon the  
heart opens up bigger than the sky! 
-Peter     
 
---------- 
From:  Susan Carlson 
Sent:  Saturday, March 07, 1998 6:38 PM 
To:  kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com 
Subject:  experiences
 
Hi!
 
You wrote: 
di Da said, plainly, that there is no difference between 
 charging 
 through some blue tunnel to the bright light, and having a 
 cheeseburger 
 at McDonalds. They are experiences. It is devastating, but 
 logical, that 
 he included consciousness itself in the category of experience. 
  
Susan writes:
 
Only devastating to the logical.  
 
My shaktipat master told me we are only here to have an experience.
 
Its up to me whether its a 'good' or 'bad' experience.
 
I find that liberating.
 
Love, 
Susan
 
 
 
*************************** 
'You can believe anything you want. 
The universe is not obliged to keep a straight face.' 
...Solomon Shert
 
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Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 18:43:51 +0100 
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com> 
To: fredaATnospamblarg.net 
CC: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>, lobsterATnospamclara.net, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: Choosing Life with Angelique- Serious Humor 
Message-ID: <35057BD6.62EBATnospamintercomm.com> 
 
freda wrote: 
>  
> > Ed 
> > and Mystress had quite a long conversation going for a period of time a 
> > few months ago, it finally burned its way out. 
> so, good ol' heart centered Gloria.......opens it up again 
> with WHAT? 
> Angelique is killing lobster. 
> very cleaver Gloria
 
GG 
Not hardly, no body can do anything to another, it is each individuals 
responsbility to detach and not carry feelings about whatever is coming 
down. Ed knows this as does Mystress. If we didn't understand this basic 
fact,  with over 300 people,everyone would nothing wbe running around in 
the victim roll, there are no victims.
 
 I suggest that this discussion is here to learn how to better deal with 
conflicting viewpoints. There are a lot of philosophyical differences 
here but when there is a true respect and caring from the people, it 
doesn't matter, we over come them. I do believe we have that here, and 
because of it, people generally come together with a great deal of love. 
 
> is it just mistress and lobster you wish to drag into this? 
> I think not, 
> you did not ask lobster in priviate email -hey lobster, is angelique 
> killing you?  [or is Gloria :)hheheheh]
 
GG
 
I think you have got off the subject here and bit, Ed and I are very 
good friends, and I do believe that Mystress and I have become quite 
fond of each other as well. That is not the point, the point is learning 
to detach and observe whatever is happening. For instance, you are 
zapping out some feelings here, I can buy into them or I can simply 
allow them to slide past me. I choose to let it go and not take it in. 
This is what detachment is all about, it is about witnessing whatever is 
happening and not projecting into it. Your thoughts are charged with 
emotion, this is your way of getting rid of it, so you are projecting 
them out at me. That is what we do as humans, however, because I am not 
involved in it, it just runs past. I know that you are basically upset, 
and confused about all of this and you will continue to fire out until 
something happens that takes it away.
 
The potential in any conversation is to come into it with thoughts and 
feelings about any numbers of things, you can say what you wish, that is 
your choice, the conversation I have brought up is about understanding 
the nature of energies. I wrote a book about this, your right, but it 
isn't about getting people to have my book, it is about helping folks to 
understand what emotions and thoughts do when it is released with great 
feelings and judgment. For instance, your suspicioun about me put out 
that I enjoy making trouble and getting people into negative 
conversations, this is not true, as a matter of fact, I say we can talk 
about anything as long as it comes from love. If this were not the case 
many people would choose to leave the list because at times the energy 
gets pretty heavy. But, because there is a commitment to work with what 
comes through, it generally lifts and people go on as friends. This is 
what is possible from really letting go and working as a group to want 
the best for each other. 
 
> As I recall, there were, as you say, a few others at the time who had a 
> tough time letting their discussion get "pickey" 
> are you trying to start something? 
> more hits to your site for tapes possibly? 
>  
> Oh gee, seems this isn't rolling off my back so sweetly. 
>  
> some nasty-ness just don't roll so good. Babble the hell out of this one 
> gloria, I am not buying it 
> your "heart" has gotten a wee bit off center hun. And your lack of 
> ballanceis  comming through loud and clear.
 
GG 
That is what you are feeling this moment, it is ok. Step back and 
observe it and see if it doesn't just pass and that it really isn't 
worth the time or energy to feed it. I for one don't intend to dwell on 
this, if you feel that way about me that is fine, I have no hard 
feelings about it one way or the other. 
 
If you really want to look into what Ed has brought up by sharing here 
is that he has been shown from within what supressed emotions do, this 
didn't happen over night, it had to have been building for some time 
most likely over years.
 
 It wasn't about one or two conversations with this person or that, it 
is about deep feelings and emotions being held inside. Some people like 
my husband has something happen and he immediatly reacts, he throws out 
a huge emotional charge and it is over. This happens a lot on the 
highway, it always amazes me, but he doesn't hold it it.
 
 It isn't always fun to be around that, but he never holds feelings 
inside. This is not the norm, most people try not to show what they feel 
and hold it in. When this happens over a long period of time it shows up 
in an organ, Ed told us that the liver is the organ that takes the hit 
from the emotions. I knew this from working with my dear friend Barbara, 
by the time she learned how to deal with her emotions the damage had 
been done. In Ed's case it has not, he has already become aware and is 
in releasing and healing and coming forward to share his experience. I'm 
sure what he needs from us is not to be in conflict but to be supportive 
of his experience and perhaps bring everyone a little closer and a tiny 
bit more aware of how we can monitor how we speak to each other.  
Instead of reacting to this in a negative way, we can all reflect and 
witness ourselves and see how we deal with emotion. I can tell you that 
those who will detach and witness will learn a lot about what is going 
on besides the obvious.  
 
-- 
 
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.  
Gloria Joy Greco  
 e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at: 
http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/ 
&  
http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/ 
Hope you enjoy them! 
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 18:50:43 +0100 
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com> 
To: fredaATnospamblarg.net 
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: Choosing Life 
Message-ID: <35057D72.7C0CATnospamintercomm.com> 
 
freda wrote: 
>  
> Well Gloria, 
> It is a long shot, don't you think [that mistress] is causing lobster to 
> be ill? Come on....
 
No actually I don't think she is causing him to be ill, you have missed 
the point entirely. 
 
Print out what I wrote, sleep on it and then read it again. I think when 
you stop reacting you might be able to get the point. First breath, pull 
back like your watching a movie, and then check out to see if there is 
something else being brought down. The point is through bringing in more 
awareness and light, perhaps we won't have the same level of conflict, 
is that possible? 
 
 
> Lobster gave as good as he got, I remember the posts. Neither seemed to 
> be sending no voodoo, 
> Get real. It was discusion, 
> If words exchanged between emails could cause such drastic illness then 
> many of us would be dropping like flies! 
> If Lobster took it hard enough to do that kind of damage to himself then 
> surely he, or anyone else who internalizes so intently should not be 
> interacting on the list...... 
> IMHO it is way nuts to single out - as you DID - anyone as causing such 
> a thing. 
> shame! 
> and I don't use the term lightly, inconsiderate, demeaning and just 
> plain nasty to send such a thing to the list, 
> shame, shame, shame!!!
 
-- 
 
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.  
Gloria Joy Greco  
 e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at: 
http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/ 
&  
http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/ 
Hope you enjoy them! 
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 23:12:36 EST 
From: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> 
To: plslalATnospamclassic.msn.com, divine_goddessATnospamhotmail.com, 
 kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com 
Subject: Re: experiences 
Message-ID: <f2ee610.35060f36ATnospamaol.com> 
 
In a message dated 98-03-10 21:05:03 EST, plslalATnospamclassic.msn.com writes:
 
Peter wrote: The mind can not "remove" its very  
own attachment!  Any attempt is just a mental game. 
 
Harsha writes: Probably so. So is any non-attempt!
 
Peter wrote: Ramana Maharishi referred  to it as asking the thief that is 
robbing you to look for the thief that is robbing you.  He certainly will 
oblige, but not much is going to happen.
 
Harsha writes: In the conversation that you read, Ramana Maharshi was simply 
commenting on the fact that all meditation techniques presuppose the retention 
of the mind and hence have a built in limitation. Self-Enquiry on the other 
hand attempts to find the Source of the Mind and hence is considered the 
direct method by the Great Sage. Ramana Maharshi did point out that meditation 
and related spiritual practices purify the mind and its capacity to grasp the 
Truth and do eventually (althought indirectly) result in Self-Realization. 
 
Peter writes: Just find a Master, practice their program, relax and enjoy and 
let go.  Soon the heart opens up bigger than the sky!
 
Harsha writes: Well there are no rules since some people simply fall in love 
with a Guru. However, I would recommend first doing some readings, talking to 
other spiritual aspirants, and making oneself more knowledgeable about various 
traditions, paths and methods. Meeting several teachers without making a 
special commitment to anyone is O.K. There are many confused teachers out 
there who have been elevated to a high level by their markeing staff and 
public relations departments. A truly Realized Sage does not have any capacity 
left for distinguishing himself or herself from others by calling people "my 
disciples" etc. Such sages are extremely rare. Having common sense and being 
rational are always assets even on the spiritual path.    
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 18:45:01 
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com> 
To: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org> 
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com 
Subject: Re: Light within 
Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19980310184501.41270800ATnospamdomin8rex.com> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
 
 At 08:55 10/03/98 -0600, Debora A. Orf wrote: 
>In a message dated 98-03-09 09:06:24 EST, aird.houseATnospamzetnet.co.uk writes: 
> 
><< The Guru I visited in India  
> touched my forhread  
> Love Chris 
> Sai Ram   >> 
> 
>What is the significance of this gesture? i know that Lamas do this too, 
>when they greet you. This is very interesting that Indian gurus do this 
>too.  
>Maybe its a guru thing.... 
>my guess is that its a sort of blessing gesture.  
>Curious... 
>--janpa  
>
 
  Well, I cannot tell you why they do it, but I can tell you why I do.. it 
is usually to give energy to the third eye, for purposes of opening it or 
diagnosing it, and their general state of being. I also send energy into 
the third eye and out the crown, to open it.  
  This is a nice topic for storytelling.. haven't been doing that much, 
lately... 
  ********** 
  One of the best things about going to Seattle for my hearing, is I was 
finally able to meet a very sweet dude.. a past K-list member, Guru Joe 
Flaherty, and his bovine disciples in Buckley, Washington. He came out to 
watch the hearing that wasn't and we went to a delightful lunch, after.  
  We were talking about Lobsang Rampa. I read all of his books as a kid, 
with some skepticism, and as an adult discovered that he was an englishman 
who had never actually been to Tibet.. and we were laughing at the scene in 
Ghostbusters where they kid Dan Acroyd about attempting to "drill" his 
third eye with a real drill, as they talk about in Lobsang's book by that 
name. I had even as a child been very skeptical that one needed a hole 
drilled in their forehead to open the third eye! 
  Joe said that it was an energy drill, not a physical one, and it was 
supposed to be very dangerous. 
  I smiled mischeviously, and said "oh, really?". 
  I gathered up a bit if K-fire of intention in my r. hand, reached across 
the table and gently tapped his forehead with my finger.  I saw the energy 
bolt zip right thru his head, fizzing out at the edge of the back of his 
aura, and sat back again to watch the reaction. His eyes widened and a grin 
started on his face that kept getting bigger.. when it reached maximum, he 
took a deep breath and rewarded me with a heartfelt "thankyou" that turned 
my bones to mush and made me giggle.. druid said he saw a light go off in 
Joe's head, that expanded outwards in every direction. Good fun..!  
  Reading your post, Chris, I had an inpulse to reach out with an energy 
finger and tap your forehead in just the same way. There goes my left ear 
ringing as my being pulls in the energy to do just that.. OK: reaching thru 
time and space, my finger tip is poised above your forehead.. do you want 
it yes or no?  Say "yes, please, Mystress" out loud to release the zap that 
is held in a bubble... thankyou Goddess..
 
  Hmmm.. interesting..I feel like you won't but others will.. and I am 
getting some sensations of stuff clearing from them, flicking out the top 
of my head..   
    ***************
 
  The roles of my slaves and I are defined partly by a few rituals. One 
requirement I have of them, is that everytime they arrive or depart from my 
space, they must go down on one knee and kiss my hand. Even if we meet in 
public... in which case they must pretend to be very playfully gallant.. 
they are not allowed to get up off their knees, till I allow it. they learn 
very quickly, the reward for obedience in this, because in private, I will 
step forward afterwards and gather their head to my bosom for a hug while 
they are kneeling, and allow them the familiarity of putting thier arms 
around me. They surrender into their submissive state immediately, with a 
sigh of pure love that is indescribably sweet.   
  That is what appears to be happening.. but I am also doing work on their 
energy body. Wrapping them up in my healing love. When they choose to 
ritualize their submission by "deed" and go down on one knee, they 
surrender control of their energy to me. My heart chakra flows into their 
third eye, out their crown to the heavens, and also down thru all the 
chakras into the earth. This is supported by my right hand on their back 
sending energy into their spine and downwards, and my left hand on the back 
of their head/neck.   When the energy comes blasting back up, I do a bit of 
"vampire suction" on some of it with heart and left hand to pull the 
darkish gunk of normal stressful daily living out of them and send it out 
my head up to Goddess. They are now grounded, and I can look into the top 
of thier head with my third eye..  see all the way down.. When we are 
balanced and unified, and they are very thoroughly grounded, I release them 
and look into their eyes and check my results.. how they are feeling... 
sometimes I'll keep my hands on their shoulders and speak to them for a 
moment, while I do a bit more energy work with them between my hands to 
make sure they will not fall down if they stand up... the more deeply they 
submit, the more completely the K-fire has room to heal and balance their 
state. It is a wonder.  
   ****************
 
   Here is a story I wrote for the "seeking comment" thread, (27/02/98) but 
I never posted it, coz I abandoned the rest of the post as being too 
cranky.. but this subject of "Light Within", is perfect for sharing this 
experience, the wonder of which, still has not left me:
 
<<<  "Out of the mouths of babes." it is often the earlier awakening 
experiences, that carry the power and resonance of which art is made. The 
further the process continues, the more it tends to be indescribable, and 
the more likely one is, not to try.. and it is the attempt, wherein lies 
the poignant sweetness.  
  Last night I facilitated an amazing ritual for a woman who was reclaiming 
her life, for her birthday. Partway thru it, when she was in a deeply 
altered state and I was standing in front of her steadying her by holding 
hands and keeping her grounded, while my assitants prpared the piercing 
equiptment.  
  She suddenly fastened her grip onto the base of the ring finger of my 
right hand.  She demanded to know what it was, the amazing thing she felt 
there.. I was a bit puzzled, I could feel only my being, afire with spirit 
moving thru me, and her grip like a ring on my finger.. (info from my 
unconscious: wedding rings go on the finger connected to the heart chakra)  
  I asked her what she felt, she slowly brought my hand up to cover her 
left eye and forehead.. I surrendered to the K-fire doing as it will.. 
letting it move thru me but letting her shape her own experience... then 
she described light, and what I believe was the appearance of the blue 
pearl.. I was deeply moved by this development, which I had not forseen.  
   Her K. awakened only last solstice, when I offered some energy to her 
sore back whilst climbing a beach cliff after a ritual... the day after I 
recieved Shaktipat from Granma Devi. :) I asked her how the energy felt, 
and was very surprised to hear her say it felt like a tingly warmth moving 
around in the base of her spine and flickering upwards.... :0 :) It moved 
thru her crown before we were done lunch. 
   I was impulsed to suggest she ask the blue pearl to stay with her 
always, as guiding inspiration.  Now that I type this I remember reading 
somewhere that it is quality of the first apearance of the blue pearl.. one 
may at that time invite it to stay forever.   She did.. It did.. We spent 
much of the rest of the evening asking it odd questions for practice while 
teaching her to scry into it and hear it's wisdom, and helping her get used 
to communication by telepathy. We did some energy expansion, and sometime 
after that, I told her to ask it how "big" we had gotten, Then laughed at 
myself for applying space/time thinking, like, what percentage of the 
universe...??  LOL! Then I paused in judging myself to look for the 
perfection, first... and suggested she ask anyway, out of curiosity as to 
why I had been prompted to ask such a silly question in the first place.. 
my trust was rewarded..    
  It responded: "An infinitisemal percentage of infinity".  
  I instantly roared with laughter at the utter perfection of the answer, 
and in response to her puzzlement at my reaction, reassured her it was a 
real word she had heard spoken in her head  and explained to her what 
infinitisemal meant, and the joke of the equation it had given us.. 
because infinity must be by nature indivisible. 
  "An infinitisemal percentage of infinity"... that's how big we 
get...LOL!! Sooo Beautiful. I'll cherish that one forever. >>> 
 
  Talking about the experince with her afterwards, she said that after the 
light appeared and she described it, my identifying it as the Blue Pearl 
had hit her with a shock of recognition, although she had never heard of it 
before. It at once became smaller, in that it became more sharply defined 
in her vision.. but also more wonderful, as it opened for her a great sense 
of it's Purpose... which words failed her to define.   
  The thread is of lights and forehead touches.. that same evening, before 
I asked it that brilliant question, I'd asked her where exactly she felt 
the pearl.. and she described it as being above her left eye. I felt that 
it needed to be centered.. and gently touched the place on her forehead 
where it was, fastened onto it with the intention/impulse that had come to 
me when she described it's position, and slowly "dragged" it with my 
fingertip to a central position on her forehead, above her third eye. I 
took my finger away, and watching her reaction I got a sense that things 
were shifting around in her head and settling into new positions, and being 
released, as her brain balanced itself. 
 
  I would welcome thoughts on these experiences.. (shrug) I really don't 
understand them, I just do what spirit says, in the moment.. I am the 
ground crew.  
  The post Anandayoti sent about the equation of knowledge and money it a 
very cool truism. The more we release what we think we know, the more we 
open to new information flowing thru us as we need it from the All.  
  Blessings, Mystress.
 
Mystress Angelique Serpent,  
  Dominant Experiential Facilitator. 
Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent 
      :D   ;)  :0   :)   ;P   :0   ;)   :D   :0   :)  ;P  :0  ;)  :)     
   I would rather live in a world where my life is surrounded by mystery 
than live in a world so small that my mind could comprehend it. 
   -- Harry Emerson Fosdick  
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
 Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Officially the most beautiful city in the world. 
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 18:48:15 
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com> 
To: lodpressATnospamintercomm.com 
Cc: fredaATnospamblarg.net, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: Choosing Life 
Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19980310184815.4127e580ATnospamdomin8rex.com> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
 
  Oy, what a tempest.. Peace, All... 
 
Lobster wrote: 
>> > > > > I am aware of were the problem is and from where it stems. 
>> > > > > The process of unravelling will take time. 
>> > > > > Ed
 
   I interpreted this mysterious statement to mean you were disinclined to 
disscuss it much further, as you have not yet fully plumbed the meanings 
yourself.. I found your post fascinating and resonant, and tho I have not 
been posting much of late, I spent much time thinking on it. Guess it's 
time to pull it up and respond with my experiences.... which are all about 
me me me.. :) 
  Welcome back, Dude.. I can feel the shift in your energy.. a new place of 
peace, opening. Beautiful. Blessed be. Sad to hear that you are feeling 
poorly, but trusting the best will come of it...
 
>Gloria Greco wrote: 
>> > > > Have you supressed emotions, or did this happen in the things that 
>> > > > happened with Mystress over the net? Gloria
 
>> freda wrote: 
>> > my god! gloria, are you serious? 
>> > freda
 
  Peace, Freda, and all those who so gallantly rushed to my defense.. 
thanyou, but it is not needed. I am not harmed by Gloria's suggestion, it 
has occured to me as well, but I don't hold Lobster as a weak creature that 
would let email get to him so much... tho admittedly, his tactics hit a 
nerve with me a few times and I spewed some anger and scratched off some of 
my own skin. Perhaps because I recognised, as he has also, that the 
intentions behind his attacks were not always ideally clear. Nor sometimes, 
were mine. We learned much from each other in this way, it was not always 
an easy road. 
  Free will Is, and Lobster and I freely chose our alternating roles as 
aggressor and victim, because that was our learning curve at the time. 
  Just as Gloria has freely chosen to bring up the issue of responsiblity 
on the list by lobbing a grenade in my direction.. perhaps knowing it will 
have little effect on me, or on her, safe in her cloud of detachment.. but 
the blast of it on the subceptible will cause some stuff to come up on the 
list to be cleared and resolved.  
  (shrug) Gloria and I have lobbed a few good bombs at each other before, 
too.. verrry colorfully.. from my view, when the dust settled, we both grew 
more tolerance from it.. I stopped christian bashing, and she stopped 
blaming everything on Satan like the church lady.. :) Of course, Gloria 
likely interpreted the results differently.. :D 
 
  Reminds me of a Doctor Who episode.. his sidekick, Ace, had a fascination 
with explosives, and usually carried a few homemade grenades in her 
pockets.. this was useful when a large hole needed to be dug quickly.. the 
problem was that Ace was inept with timers, and sometimes there was barely 
time to duck the blast.  
   
   
>At 12:29 10/03/98 +0100, Gloria Greco wrote:  
>> Freda, 
>><..>  She does seem to have the ability to 
>> get out of its way.  It isn't about right or wrong it is about learning 
>> to really let it roll off like water. Nobody is purposely slamming the 
>> other but it does happen when emotions and thoughts get together. 
 
   yup.. the bomb itself is only an expression of energy..  we choose to be 
victim to the shrapnel, duck it, or let it pass harmlessly thru us. If it 
catches on the shrapnel of our own issues on the way thru, we feel it as 
hurt, and may react to defend. Sometimes, by manifesting our own grenades 
out of our inner shrapnel, and tossing them back. Ideally, after a few 
blasts there is no more shrapnel of that kind to make more grenades out of, 
and we feel cleansed and refreshed.. if we haven't bled to death from our 
wounds in the meantime...  
    Blessings, Mystress.
 
Mystress Angelique Serpent,  
  Dominant Experiential Facilitator. 
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