1998/03/02 10:40
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #161
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 161
Today's Topics:
Re: Enlightenment? [ rtrevATnospamredsuspenders.com (Bob Trevit ]
Re: another quest.. [ sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net ]
RE: HRTZEN: Re: powerful connections [ Vandyke T SSgt 355MSS/DPMPE <vandyk ]
Re: HRTZEN: background noise [ Vandyke T SSgt 355MSS/DPMPE <vandyk ]
Re: HRTZEN: Re:A beginner's experien [ LarryN3515 <LarryN3515ATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Enlightenment? [ Jerry Katz <umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca> ]
Re: Drinking too much? Is this a sid [ "Boris Schickedanz" <b.schickedanzATnospam ]
Re. Enlightenment & Gurus [ Afperry <AfperryATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: HRTZEN: background noise [ Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.te ]
Re: Enlightenment? [ "Michael Juntunen" <juntunenATnospamhotmai ]
Re: Enlightenment? [ "Michael Juntunen" <juntunenATnospamhotmai ]
Re. Enlightenment? [ Afperry <AfperryATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: HRTZEN: background noise [ Antoine <acarreATnospamconcentric.net> ]
Re: HRTZEN: background noise [ Vandyke T SSgt 355MSS/DPMPE <vandyk ]
Re: HRTZEN: background noise [ Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.te ]
Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 15:40:31 GMT
From: rtrevATnospamredsuspenders.com (Bob Trevithick)
To: "Sen Ashanka"<sashankaATnospamaismi.ais.it>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com, hlutharATnospambryant.edu, richardATnospamskydancer.com,
kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Enlightenment?
Message-ID: <3500cf69.10385233ATnospammail.redsuspenders.com>
On Mon, 2 Mar 1998 16:20:39 +0100, you wrote:
>This old saying does apply to all fields of activity except spiritual. The
>spiritual
>teacher is perfect and has attained enlightenment. There is no further
>progress.
>There is no knowledge beyond the absolute.
Hmm. There is no further progress? I guess I'll understand if I get
to that point. But right now I have trouble conceiving of a state
where there is nothing left to learn, no new mysteries to challenge,
no higher levels to aspire to. It sounds, dare I say it, boring? :-)
Bob
--
Bob Trevithick
rtrevATnospamredsuspenders.com
Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 15:49:51 GMT
From: sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: another quest..
Message-ID: <3524d4fd.241337995ATnospammailhost.worldnet.att.net>
X-No-Archive: yes
In a message dated 98-03-01 18:24:49 EST, caradeepaATnospamhotmail.com
writes:
I was wondering if anyone has found a connection between
Candida...and kundalini...
I am also interested in this. I usually just lurk here in the hopes
of learning more about Kundalini. I was diagnosed about 2 years ago
with Candida, so the answer will be of interest to me also.
Candida can be a warning sign of something more serious. I would hope
that anyone with Candida would see a doctor and have the correct blood
test. If you haven't, I would consider it if I were you.
Jack
If at first you don't succeed, well, so much for skydiving.
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 08:44:00 -0700
From: Vandyke T SSgt 355MSS/DPMPE <vandykeATnospammss355.dm.af.mil>
To: HeartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com, Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: RE: HRTZEN: Re: powerful connections for night training
Message-Id: <199803021551.JAA26978ATnospama.mx.execpc.com>
Glo
I think it is when you are using the reply all button to answer
someones question. You are responding to them, the kundalini list and
the heartzen list. So you will get a minimum of two e-mails off of your
one reply.
Love and Light Trent
----------
From: Gloria Greco
To: HeartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: HRTZEN: Re: powerful connections for night training
Date: Sat, Feb 28, 1998 2:01PM
Gloria Greco wrote:
>
> Question from Gloria to all the computer experts:
>
> I wrote something once and sent it out, when it gets to the list it is
copied over two or
> three or more times over and over. How is this happening?
>
>This hasn't just happened once now it looks like two or three times, is
it my computer, gremlins, ...
Do you know what I'm talking about? GG
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 09:04:00 -0700
From: Vandyke T SSgt 355MSS/DPMPE <vandykeATnospammss355.dm.af.mil>
To: heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com, Danijel Turina
<sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: HRTZEN: background noise
Message-Id: <199803021616.KAA21088ATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Hi Danijel and Mary, Trent here
I think when your aura is up and bright folks are attracted to it.
They want to know "what does she have?" Granted some folks just want to
pick on things that are good and bright, (light always attracts shadow),
but that is part of the responsibility of having consciousness. Love
and service to our fellow man is the price we have to pay. If you give
to them, not begrudgingly or judgingly then you and they will benefit
from the exchange. Don't you think so? With regards to the
sensitivity, I think that comes with growth to. I think God is
preparing us to pick up on and sense more subtle energies.
Over-sensitivity to light and noise in our everyday environment is just
a by-product of this. Anyone else have a comment here?
Love and Light Trent
----------
From: Danijel Turina
To: heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: HRTZEN: background noise
Date: Mon, Mar 2, 1998 8:00AM
Hi Mary! :)
At 21:52 1998.03.01 -0800, Mary Ezzell wrote:
>Me too on all this. When things are going right, my aura wants to
spread
>out wide and ripple. :-) Then people come and step on it. :-(
Exactly! :)) LOL :))))
>As you say, having to talk to people etc distorts it. I think sometimes
>they want to distort/interrupt it, because it's not conventional. They
say
>you have a funny look on your face or something.
Yes, they feel uncomfortable and don't settle until I become something
they
can handle. And telling them to fuck off doesn't help either, coz that
vibe
disturbs me even more. :) I just have to give them their "food" and
continue. But it really feels like a waste of time and energy. <sigh> :)
>Also noise affects it, especially modern music.
>
>I've had a big handicap about shopping, restaurants, etc that play
music.
>Finally tried something that helped:
>
>1. filled ears with layer of cotton, handlotion, more cotton
>2. wore walkman with classical music (Respigi?)
>
>Let's see, there was another time I got by by humming Om, to fill my
ears
>from the inside with a better sound. This worked really well. (I used
one
>with a lot of melody in it: om - mm -- o o o ooo uh mm.) Also
visualized a
>sort of bullet-proof plastic cylinder around me.
>Don't remember if I used ear plugs too.
:) Yes, that's cute. :) I observed one thing - watching TV upsets me and
builds stress - but it is the sound, not the picture. When I turn off
the
sound, I immediately relax, muscles relax, it is OK. It is the sound
that
gets me involved, transfers that vibe to me.
-----
E-mail : sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr
Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/1377
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 11:23:35 EST
From: LarryN3515 <LarryN3515ATnospamaol.com>
To: david.bozziATnospamsnet.net, owner-heartzenATnospamotto.servtech.com,
heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: HRTZEN: Re:A beginner's experience
Message-ID: <5b5d81eb.34fadd09ATnospamaol.com>
Hi David, Larry here:
You say it perfectly. For many years I tried to "be Spiritual", I knew the
right words to say and the feelings behind them, however, one element was
missing: The pure realization that God was in charge and that His Will was to
be the governing force and that without this realization and the "fruit" that
comes from it, I could continue to puff smoke in to the air and only convince
others that I posessed some mystical secret.
Now, realizing that without sincere focus and intention my spiritual path
simply bounces around from experience to experience and produces little fruit.
Now, what remains, is to simply observe and detach while seeking to discover
who and what I already am. Thanks for your message.. with love Larry
Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 12:52:55 -0800
From: Jerry Katz <umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca>
To: Richard Wentk <richardATnospamskydancer.com>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Enlightenment?
Message-ID: <34FB1C27.6E10ATnospamns.sympatico.ca>
Richard Wentk wrote:
> Personally I don't believe there's any such thing as enlightenment.
> Certainly not in the sense of waking up one day and getting 'it', and
> everything being totally fab and groovy in a spiritual sense from then on.
I guess not. It's extreme and would require extreme conditions. In that
regard, is anyone familiar with the spiritual awakening of John
Wren-Lewis? He is a well-known psychologist and physicist from Australia
who had a different kind of near death experience. It involved not the
tunnel and all that stuff, it was enlightenment he attained. An article
he wrote about his awakening can be found at
http://www.mathcs.sjsu.edu/student/full9172/dazdark.htm
I was turned-on to this by Greg Burkett, an enlightened man who lives in
the northwoods of Wisconsin. Links to his 2 web sites are found on my
web page. I've tried to con him into getting into this mailing list, but
he's more the silent peaceful being, while I blab on.
> When it comes to looking for teachers I'm more impressed by those who've
> led a full life and have overcome any number of handicaps
That is a great statement, far greater than it appears.
> than those who
> waft around in robes on clouds of incense looking gnomic and inscrutable
> and speaking in impressive-sounding but meaninglessly vague cosmic absolutes.
Newman!
Best to you,
Jerry
http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/umbada
Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 17:29:51 +0100
From: "Boris Schickedanz" <b.schickedanzATnospampop3.main-kinzig.net>
To: Kundalini Mailing List <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Drinking too much? Is this a side-effect of K for some?
Message-ID: <34FADE7E.BC2CC4BATnospampop3.main-kinzig.net>
Hi,
A general explanation for drinking alcohol is:
People beeing attracted to alcohol are (instead) attracted to a reality
without problems or conflicts. Drinking makes all problems and conflicts
seem small, ridicioulus.
You are not willing to step consciously into the world of conflicts and
problems. You try to drink them in alcohol.
Or Perhaps you seek warmth or familarity, friendship and easy relationship.
So alcohol puts down all barriers, making possibles fast brotherhood, but
without depth.
Alcohol breaks down the barriers that stand in front of a friendly world
without trouble.
The solution is:
Stop alcohol and step right into the world full of problems.
love, light and fun
boris
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 11:43:14 EST
From: Afperry <AfperryATnospamaol.com>
To: richardATnospamskydancer.com
Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re. Enlightenment & Gurus
Message-ID: <5b5ddd38.34fae1a4ATnospamaol.com>
Dear Richard,
I was most interested in your posting; this is a difficult area where emotions
and egos are constantly muddying the already turbulent waters!
IMHO, the majority of 'gurus' in this world are more like businessmen/women
than teachers. I am regularly appalled by the pure commercialism of much that
passes for spirituality, especially here in the West, and I have serious
doubts about the private motivation of many professed gurus - even though they
may have attained a considerable spiritual height (God and mammon do not
appear to be mutually exclusive until the final straight!). However it is
important not to throw away the baby with the bath
water........................ :-)
I am fascinated by the evidence that even from the highest spiritual level,
one can fall - and fall very badly. The recent case of Swami Premananda in
Tamil Nadu is particularly disturbing: openly recognised as one of the great
living gurus of India, and one of the very few who still produces materialised
lingams from inside him on the night of Mahashivaratri (i.e. not just an
acquired siddhi), Premananda is currently serving life imprisonment for the
rape of several of his female disciples and for being an accessory to murder.
How is this possible? And the fact that it obviously is possible raises the
awkward question "After all my spiritual efforts, could it still happen to
me?". The Indian epics are full of stories about spiritually-advanced souls
who fell at the final hurdle, and what about dear old Lucifer
himself..................
During my life, I have been blessed with close contact with a number of
gurus, male and female, mainly Indian or Sri Lankan but one American. All
these have been beyond reproach as regards their individual life-styles, even
though I have not always agreed with everything they say and do, but several
striking similarities can be clearly seen in those I have met who are God-
Realised (which may not all be apparent in those who are just spiritually-
advanced):
1. They actually live their message, there is no inconsistency at any level
that I am aware of. They teach love and service and they live love and
service.
2. None of them charges money for access to them (even though their attendant
organisations can often be subtly commercial), surviving on donations, etc.
The general feel has always been "Mother Lakshmi will provide", and She does.
3. None has ever tried to recruit disciples or to expand his/her organisation
by manipulating devotees. Each has shown by example that the sole
consideration is the spiritual advancement of the individual and, furthermore,
that their function as an external guru is simply to lead the disciple to
their inner guru, our God source within, and to a point where the disciple can
rely totally on that and no longer needs the external figure. The real guru
frees, he does not bind.
4. The possession of siddhis can never be a guideline, but all God-Realised
teachers will have power/shakti. You will feel it in their presence, in their
words, their writings and around everything to do with them. This power is
transformative, purging, purifying, cleansing and, often, churning to the very
core. And the teachers themselves will never claim it is their power - only
that they are instruments of God, bringing that shakti to help others.
Humility and honesty are very clear Divine traits.
5. All the God-Realised teachers I have been involved with saw God equally in
all religions and cultures, and would not even classify themselves as
necessarily Hindu. They teach universality because that is what they have
become. There can be no sectarianism at this level, nor any dogma.
6. Finally, a tree is known by its fruits. In assessing the worth of any
spiritual teacher, I have found the finest method is to bypass the figurehead,
who may be very charismatic, and look closely at those around him/her. Do you
like what you see or not? Fawning acolytes or earnest sadhakas, etc. etc.?
Discrimination is a critical faculty that we all need to develop and all gurus
can help us to do that, whether Rajneesh, Sai Baba or Da Free John. I recall
the words of Mabel Collins earlier this century: "No man is your enemy, no man
is your friend. All alike are your teachers". We should do well to remember
that!
With blessings,
Alan
Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 17:41:08 +0100
From: Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr>
To: heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: HRTZEN: background noise
Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980302174108.009339e0ATnospampop.tel.hr>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Hi Trent!
At 09:04 1998.03.02 -0700, Vandyke T SSgt 355MSS/DPMPE wrote:
>Hi Danijel and Mary, Trent here
>
> I think when your aura is up and bright folks are attracted to it.
>They want to know "what does she have?" Granted some folks just want to
>pick on things that are good and bright, (light always attracts shadow),
>but that is part of the responsibility of having consciousness. Love
>and service to our fellow man is the price we have to pay. If you give
>to them, not begrudgingly or judgingly then you and they will benefit
>from the exchange. Don't you think so? With regards to the
>sensitivity, I think that comes with growth to. I think God is
>preparing us to pick up on and sense more subtle energies.
>Over-sensitivity to light and noise in our everyday environment is just
>a by-product of this. Anyone else have a comment here?
I can't agree with that; people I am talking about DON'T want to feel my
energy, they want to change it, lower it because it is disturbing to their
perceptions of "normal". It is very "amusing" when I concentrate on a
subtle flow in my head and someone stands by me, stares stupidly and asks
stupid questions waiting for me to answer, and doesn't stop disturbing me
until I break my concentration, leave meditation, take energy pattern
familiar to him, and respond. I hate this. Vampire stuff. It disturbs me
only when I am refining energy flows, opening nadis. And even then, nothing
matters that doesn't require my response, if I don't have to interact, it
is perfectly OK. But if I have to interact, I have to do it in a "normal"
way, with some mani-pura stuff. I am talking about turbo GTi primitive
folks here, who think everything is OK only if they can ride their "poor
me" and other victim vibes. :))
About the folks who _want_ that vibe: it's a whole different thing. They
don't even think about disturbing me, they get meditative themselves. I've
witnessed that many times.
-----
E-mail : sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr
Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/1377
Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 09:05:14 PST
From: "Michael Juntunen" <juntunenATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Enlightenment?
Message-ID: <19980302170523.5211.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain
>From: rtrevATnospamredsuspenders.com (Bob Trevithick)
>Subject: Re: Enlightenment?
>Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 15:40:31 GMT
>
>On Mon, 2 Mar 1998 16:20:39 +0100, you wrote:
>
>>This old saying does apply to all fields of activity except spiritual.
=
>The
>>spiritual
>>teacher is perfect and has attained enlightenment. There is no further
>>progress.
>>There is no knowledge beyond the absolute.
>
>Hmm. There is no further progress? I guess I'll understand if I get
>to that point. But right now I have trouble conceiving of a state
>where there is nothing left to learn, no new mysteries to challenge,
>no higher levels to aspire to. It sounds, dare I say it, boring? :-)
>
>Bob
>--=20
>Bob Trevithick
>rtrevATnospamredsuspenders.com
>
>
I have more of a background in bhuddism then in hinduism (which is where
most people on this list seem to be coming from). From what I
understand, Enlightenment will lead you to being able to breeak out of
the birth-death-rebirth cycle. To what even bhuddua didn't know. But
to his mind that was better than the pain and suffering that we
experience in this existance. So perhaps that will give you a new
mystery.
------------------------------------------------------------
"If I lack wisdom, all I can teach you is my ignorance."
Leo Buscaglia
Michael Juntunen
email: juntunenATnospamhotmail.com
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Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 09:05:40 PST
From: "Michael Juntunen" <juntunenATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Enlightenment?
Message-ID: <19980302170542.28339.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain
>From: rtrevATnospamredsuspenders.com (Bob Trevithick)
>Subject: Re: Enlightenment?
>Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 15:40:31 GMT
>
>On Mon, 2 Mar 1998 16:20:39 +0100, you wrote:
>
>>This old saying does apply to all fields of activity except spiritual.
=
>The
>>spiritual
>>teacher is perfect and has attained enlightenment. There is no further
>>progress.
>>There is no knowledge beyond the absolute.
>
>Hmm. There is no further progress? I guess I'll understand if I get
>to that point. But right now I have trouble conceiving of a state
>where there is nothing left to learn, no new mysteries to challenge,
>no higher levels to aspire to. It sounds, dare I say it, boring? :-)
>
>Bob
>--=20
>Bob Trevithick
>rtrevATnospamredsuspenders.com
>
>
I have more of a background in bhuddism then in hinduism (which is where
most people on this list seem to be coming from). From what I
understand, Enlightenment will lead you to being able to breeak out of
the birth-death-rebirth cycle. To what even bhuddua didn't know. But
to his mind that was better than the pain and suffering that we
experience in this existance. So perhaps that will give you a new
mystery.
------------------------------------------------------------
"If I lack wisdom, all I can teach you is my ignorance."
Leo Buscaglia
Michael Juntunen
email: juntunenATnospamhotmail.com
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 12:12:59 EST
From: Afperry <AfperryATnospamaol.com>
To: sashankaATnospamaismi.ais.it
Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re. Enlightenment?
Message-ID: <8baa51a7.34fae89dATnospamaol.com>
Dear Ashanka,
>So, spiritual teachers have to be perfect. They are alive even in this
>day, but prefer to live in obscurity and anomymity.
Not always.............I think it is we who actually create the obscurity. As
the old saying goes "When the pupil is ready, the master will appear". There
are plenty of spiritual masters throughout the world doing their thing, but
only those for whom it is appropriate will be drawn in to them.
With blessings,
Alan
Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 12:23:17 -0500
From: Antoine <acarreATnospamconcentric.net>
To: Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr>
CC: heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: HRTZEN: background noise
Message-ID: <34FAEB05.D035EB15ATnospamconcentric.net>
Danijel Turina wrote:
> I can't agree with that; people I am talking about DON'T want to feel my
> energy, they want to change it, lower it because it is disturbing to their
> perceptions of "normal". It is very "amusing" when I concentrate on a
> subtle flow in my head and someone stands by me, stares stupidly and asks
> stupid questions waiting for me to answer, and doesn't stop disturbing me
> until I break my concentration, leave meditation, take energy pattern
> familiar to him, and respond. I hate this. Vampire stuff. It disturbs me
> only when I am refining energy flows, opening nadis. And even then, nothing
> matters that doesn't require my response, if I don't have to interact, it
> is perfectly OK. But if I have to interact, I have to do it in a "normal"
> way, with some mani-pura stuff. I am talking about turbo GTi primitive
> folks here, who think everything is OK only if they can ride their "poor
> me" and other victim vibes. :))
Is the process of K not all about raising the vibration level of all around?
even vampires...
Antoine
--
"There is no saint without a past and no sinner without a future. Praise
everyone." -- Shri Haidakhan Babaji
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 10:25:00 -0700
From: Vandyke T SSgt 355MSS/DPMPE <vandykeATnospammss355.dm.af.mil>
To: heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com, Danijel Turina
<sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: HRTZEN: background noise
Message-Id: <199803021730.LAA24837ATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Dear Danijel
Perhaps if you did your purifying in a more private area like a
room or even a closet. Your chances of being distrubed would be much
less. Could you please explain the terms mani-pua and GTi primitive.
I am not familiar with them. Also I accessed your web site but
unfortueatly can't read your language. Do you have any of the writing
in English. I am always looking for and education. Love and Light
brother. Trent
----------
From: Danijel Turina
To: heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: HRTZEN: background noise
Date: Mon, Mar 2, 1998 9:41AM
Hi Trent!
At 09:04 1998.03.02 -0700, Vandyke T SSgt 355MSS/DPMPE wrote:
>Hi Danijel and Mary, Trent here
>
> I think when your aura is up and bright folks are attracted to it.
>They want to know "what does she have?" Granted some folks just want
to
>pick on things that are good and bright, (light always attracts
shadow),
>but that is part of the responsibility of having consciousness. Love
>and service to our fellow man is the price we have to pay. If you give
>to them, not begrudgingly or judgingly then you and they will benefit
>from the exchange. Don't you think so? With regards to the
>sensitivity, I think that comes with growth to. I think God is
>preparing us to pick up on and sense more subtle energies.
>Over-sensitivity to light and noise in our everyday environment is just
>a by-product of this. Anyone else have a comment here?
I can't agree with that; people I am talking about DON'T want to feel my
energy, they want to change it, lower it because it is disturbing to
their
perceptions of "normal". It is very "amusing" when I concentrate on a
subtle flow in my head and someone stands by me, stares stupidly and
asks
stupid questions waiting for me to answer, and doesn't stop disturbing
me
until I break my concentration, leave meditation, take energy pattern
familiar to him, and respond. I hate this. Vampire stuff. It disturbs me
only when I am refining energy flows, opening nadis. And even then,
nothing
matters that doesn't require my response, if I don't have to interact,
it
is perfectly OK. But if I have to interact, I have to do it in a
"normal"
way, with some mani-pura stuff. I am talking about turbo GTi primitive
folks here, who think everything is OK only if they can ride their "poor
me" and other victim vibes. :))
About the folks who _want_ that vibe: it's a whole different thing. They
don't even think about disturbing me, they get meditative themselves.
I've
witnessed that many times.
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Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 18:27:13 +0100
From: Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr>
To: heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: HRTZEN: background noise
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Hi Antoine! :)
At 12:23 1998.03.02 -0500, Antoine wrote:
>Danijel Turina wrote:
>
>> I can't agree with that; people I am talking about DON'T want to feel my
>> energy, they want to change it, lower it because it is disturbing to their
>> perceptions of "normal". It is very "amusing" when I concentrate on a
>> subtle flow in my head and someone stands by me, stares stupidly and asks
>> stupid questions waiting for me to answer, and doesn't stop disturbing me
>> until I break my concentration, leave meditation, take energy pattern
>> familiar to him, and respond. I hate this. Vampire stuff. It disturbs me
>> only when I am refining energy flows, opening nadis. And even then, nothing
>> matters that doesn't require my response, if I don't have to interact, it
>> is perfectly OK. But if I have to interact, I have to do it in a "normal"
>> way, with some mani-pura stuff. I am talking about turbo GTi primitive
>> folks here, who think everything is OK only if they can ride their "poor
>> me" and other victim vibes. :))
>
>Is the process of K not all about raising the vibration level of all around?
>even vampires...
What should I do, transmute them to light? ;>> ;)))))
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