1998/02/08 12:41
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #108
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 108
Today's Topics:
Re: Leadership/Tough Decisions/#2 [ "Jason S. White" <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch ]
HRTZEN: Re: Anahata and the Heart [ Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic ]
Re: Intellect as a Guide [ Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic ]
One background coming up [ Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamusa.net> ]
Re: Anahata and the Heart [ Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamusa.net> ]
Re: One background coming up [ Chris Hughes <aird.houseATnospamzetnet.co. ]
Re: Democracy [ Gaurav Asthana <gauravATnospamlw1.vsnl.net ]
Re: HRTZEN: Re: Anahata and the Hear [ MeadowartATnospamaol.com ]
Re: Physical symptoms and request fo [ Blythe <merlinATnospampnn.com> ]
Re: http://www.execpc.com/~libra/kun [ Blythe <merlinATnospampnn.com> ]
Re: One background coming up [ Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamusa.net> ]
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 09:46:30 +0100
From: "Jason S. White" <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch>
To: "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com>, <Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Leadership/Tough Decisions/#2
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>G. LEE
>so we are petty now??...am I being chastised for wasting my brief time
>on earth to be concerned for these *petty* concerns of your post?? LOL
No you are not being chastised. The time is only wasted if we choose not to
learn from our pettiness.
>for too long.. I do very little as it is... My own energy level has
>been so very low, still trying to get my strength back from surgery..
The energy in your petty response was marvelous! I predict a full recovery
and then some.
>Dieter is beyond me, even. Referee's and moms have to make tough
>decisions: that was my main point..period. It was Mystress's call. I
>shared my own example of being perplexed by ethical decisions to show
>that I cannot even evalute myself, let alone Jason, Dieter, Angelique.
>All this thinking does wear one out..gonna go back to lurk mode and take
>a nap.
>Wearily, Gloria Lee
Yes, I used to have a thinking problem, but now I'm completely
thoughtless...;) The energy you used in the defense of Angelique will
certainly have drained you. You may turn it to your advantage by developing
an understanding of what happened and using it as a springboard.
>
> But I sure am glad you love *this flicker of energy we call life*
>..it was worth all this hassle and even wading through eons of evolution
>just to hear you say that, Jason.
>Gloria Lee
The worth of your eons of evolution is certainly not tied to any drivel that
comes from my keyboard. The hassle, maybe so.
Love. Jason.
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 02:56:11 -0600
From: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
To: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
Cc: heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: HRTZEN: Re: Anahata and the Heart
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Hi Harsha:
>Harsha writes: ....Advanced
>Yogis can experience the Shakti both in the back and in the front. Many Nadis
>in the front develop in later stages. Anahata is the Psychic Heart Center of
>Kundalini Yoga and is an important center to develop for many aspirants. It is
>safer to develop it first. Many celestial visions arise from this Chakra.
>However, when great sages refer to the Heart as the Self, they are not
>referring to Anahata. The Sanskrit word Hridayam (also translated Heart)
>refers to the Ultimate Subject, the Self It Self, which is Self-Existent and
>Shines by its own Essence. That Heart, the Reality of Being, is indeed beyond
>Sahasarara. That Heart is the very Core of Being and is the Center in which
>all other centers exist.
In his autobiography Muktananda gives a drawing/chart of the "Subtle
Centers of Consciousness." He shows the usual 7 centers up the middle
line, and the heart center is labeled Anahata. He also shows a center with
8 petals just below the left breast; it is labelled hridayachakra. A
dotted line runs from this center to the lips. I don't find where he talks
about it, and it is not in the index or glossary. Would you please explain
what this center is?
Thanks,
Ann
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 03:27:20 -0600
From: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
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Subject: Re: Intellect as a Guide
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Hi Harsha:
>
>In a message dated 98-02-07 12:08:10 EST, gauravATnospamlw1.vsnl.net.in writes:
>
><< its agreed that intellect is a poor guide in kundalini matters.
> Rahul nandan >>
>
>Harsha writes: Not always, although, Pascal did say that the Heart has its
>reasons which reason cannot know (or define). The subtle intellect functioning
>in a pure mind is indeed a great help in understanding the nature of the
>Shakti. Intellect functioning in a mind that is overpowered by the senses is
>not a good guide.
We speak of the subtle body (which I take to mean etheric, the next level
to the physical) and the centers (which are subtle and not in the physical,
although connected/manifesting through the endocrine glands). I have
understood intellect to be a function of the physical brain. When you
speak of the "subtle" intellect, are you referring to intellect functioning
from the subtle body and/or on subtle/etheric levels?
Love,
Ann
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 12:50:51 +0100
From: Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamusa.net>
To: heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: One background coming up
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Hi everyone! :)
At 17:35 1998.02.07 +0100, you wrote:
>Hi Danijel,
>Welcome,
Thanks! :) Now that I'm on, please, pretty please with sugar on the top,
it's enough to send just to the list, I keep getting duplicate messages. :)
>do give us your background for the list to know you.
Where do I begin? ;) I was born 18.06.73. in Zagreb, Croatia. I had a
rather disturbing and abusive childhood, to the extent that lead to my
brother and I attempting suicide - both miraculously survived. It got
better, I got sent to a lunatic asylum, I spent two years there until the
shrinks decided that I was crazy, but in a healthy sort of way. :))) What a
waking up that was, you can't even imagine. In there, I had to find some
way to maintain balance, with all the toxic medication in the business, so
I started to practice a form of AT/self hypnosis. Before that, things were
that bad that at one point I seriously decided to get involved with the
satan, coz I thought God had fucked me up so bad it couldn't get any worse
- if the devil is His opposite, I thought, he must be a great guy. ;) Oh
well, I got over that in a couple of days. :))))) LOL :))))) The next thing
was that I discovered the Bible - the beginning of my Christian phase. ;))
Soon I got out of the hell-pit, finished high school, passed the entry
exams on the College of natural sciences and mathematics in Zagreb, (PMF),
the physics department, but there the "problems" began; a few years before
in a bus I had a very disturbing thought - what if the universe outside
isn't material, if it isn't the reality but some sort of a software
simulation inside a _real_ reality, God's mind or something similar to
that. The thought had never left me, although I could not have accepted it
as my central viewpoint without eliminating the possibility that the
universe _is_ reality. Well, at the college it came to me quite clearly:
yes, it definitely is a completely arbitrary reality, made inside something
infinitely greater - knowing that for sure, I abandoned my study of physics
that seemed like a foolish attempt to interpret something that is as real
as a computer game - maybe there are thousands of different games running,
and there was no point in studying the games, only the "computer" made
sense. A few days later on TV I saw an interview with Paramahamsa Svami
Mahesvarananda - I realized that there actually was possible to do it, to
come in touch with that reality beyond, and that there is a process of
accomplishing that, called yoga. Before that I thought yoga was some kind
of a stupid attempt to gain powers like mind control or sitting on nails -
I wasn't a bit interested, and considered it a circus attraction of some
sort. ;) Well, this view was sure history. :) The next day or so I went to
the library - quite ordinary for me, I was reading something all of the
time, it was a sort of a way out of the fucked up situation I was in, and
could not change. There I found a book called "Yoga Upanisad I".
Remembering that Mahesvarananda mentioned the upanisads, I immediately took
it and went home. I started to read. At first, it made sense; I couldn't
understand it but I always had this feeling for the bigger picture, for the
pieces fitting the puzzle. Well, at first the pieces seemed to fit my
puzzle. As I went on, I realized it was the other way round - that my
entire puzzle was just one of the pieces of a greater puzzle, that I
actually had no idea of what it was, but it definitely was there, real, and
there were generations of people who have experienced it. Wow! :)) I was
practically eating the book, not understanding much, but somewhere in the
background this was it, I have found it, I was right, stumbling on
something and there was the proof that I was right.
At first I tried using AT to access some of those things, but as soon as I
tried I had a rather disturbing experience of a strong vibration resonating
throughout my body and mind; remembering some of the stuff from the
upanisads about impure nadis and possible problems, I immediately stopped.
This was all between the end of 1992 and the beginning of 1993. I was
smoking 1.5 packs a day, drinking beer occasionally, got myself pissed
drunk several times - not very cute indeed. :) Worse than that, I was in
that apocalyptic phase, I even found myself someone to focus my hate on -
Satya Sai Baba. I made up all those stupid theories that He was the "false
prophet", bla bla, all the usual stuff, you can guess. :) Then, a few weeks
after the upanisad experience, I went to the library again, and took two
Sai Baba's books - I felt the inner urge to do so, interpreting that as
"God wanting me to know the enemy better in order to defeat him". ;)))))
ROTFL was I crazy or was I nuts! :)))) I started reading - at first it
seemed to confirm my opinion. On the half way through the book, I wasn't
sure what to think anymore - it was the upanisads, and more, the same thing
I believed to be the essence of the good stuff; either that was a great
satan's trick, angel of the light&co, or I was 100% wrong, big time. Well,
I didn't know what to think anymore. Finally I found something. It was
Sai's lecture that God is all-present, all-mighty; unlimited by form, in
every form. Any form you worship, God possesses. It did it, I sat down,
entered the AT state to quiet my mind, and started to visualize Jesus - not
as a child or a dying man, but God with full power and dignity, a
magnificent figure - all my respect and admiration focused on Him. Then it
began - something had opened inside me, ecstasy filled my mind, shaking my
body from the inside, every cell vibrating with Divine Joy; I knew I could
not handle it much longer, I felt like all of my cells would explode in
ecstasy, yet wanted it to last forever, even if it killed me. I felt the
unspoken words: "enough for now". This was it, it did it for me, now I
realized that if Sai Baba was in any way connected to something bad, than
everything good in my life also was bad, and if satan tries to fuck people
up by showing them God, what kind of a satan is he - turned into the angel
of light so bad that he forgot to be evil? My kind of guy. :)) That was all
absurd, of course, so I realized that everything Sai Baba's followers said
about Him was true, that He was actually God incarnate. I felt it to be
true, with all my heart. That day, I accepted him as my guru maharaja, and
I felt Him accepting me as well. That's how it all began, year 1993. I
started reading a lot - I was literally led to buy Yogananda's
"Autobiography of a Yogi", I was literally fascinated, I resonated so
strongly with that. I started meditating regularly, a few hours every day,
knowing I don't have a proper technique but trying to give my best -
immediately stopped consuming alcohol, became a vegetarian - I stopped
smoking earlier, immediately after the "vibration experience" that scared
me shitless. :)
Year 1994. I was frustrated by the apparent lack of progress. Even
considered a one way trip to India, where I would either learn some
efficient technique of yoga or die, there seemed to be no other option. It
didn't look very promising. In the library (what else's new? ;))) I found a
book on tantra - I only read a few pages, it was enough - making love to
the Goddess, YES, that was it, using sexual attributes as a power behind
adoration. I immediately did it - it was so powerful that it is beyond I
experienced so far, except the first initiation. I _felt_ the presence of
the Kundalini Shakti as the Goddess, I was surrendering to Her completely,
it was so powerful, so intimate - love so sensual, gentle and so ...
indescribably powerful that I remained in ecstasy, with Her in my vision
all the time, for several days. I didn't know it then, i knew nothing about
Kundalini then except the things from the upanisads that I've misunderstood
- but now I know that's when my Shakti was awakened. I had no side effects
whatsoever, everything was fully vertical, internalized, an extremely
smooth awakening. But yes, there was one significant side effect - I
couldn't meditate anymore, i would fall asleep, it just didn't work. It was
like the very reality filled me, being awake, alive, present, vivid - later
I knew it was all Kundalini, but at those days I was utterly confused,
thinking I was lazy and lacking the necessary amount of mumuksutva. ;) One
day I was listening to music - the day before I finally _felt_ advaita as
the truth; before that, dualistic conception of God worked just fine. It
happened while reading a book of Vivekananda's speeches. I was nervously
walking in my room, feeling upset and generally in a confused mood. I
grabbed one of the Sai Baba's books, reading "why fear when I am here?" and
similar lines. "Yeah, great, You're fuckin' here and You're doing just
fine, not giving a bloody fuck about me, I could fuckin' bleed to death
here and You wouldn't hive a transcendent shit, what's that to a God. Fuck
you, I wish You were me for a day to see how it fuckin' feels, then I'd
like to hear Your tale!". Immediately, I felt His presence - not somewhere,
everywhere. I realized it was not God as something or someone distant, but
_living_ God, living reality - all reality, joy, delight, flashes of
understanding that I had, it was all It, it was brahman, it was I,
satcitananda - one, not three, One Reality, and I AM THAT REALITY - not
omnipresent, the presence and existence itself, not real but Reality, not
true but the Truth, One without the other. Tat Brahman Aham - Om Tat Sat.
"He is that Reality" - I immediately understood what the upanishads meant-
"the Absolute Truth is brahman, nothing else". I went into nirvikalpa
samadhi for some 15 minutes - feeling Sai Baba as completely transparent
for Myself, I was expressed fully through Him - Danijel was some sort of a
gray cloud, in comparison, all the things that had to be cleansed in order
to equalize the inner and outer world. I felt maya, the tiny, non-existing
but yet real because it was Me, non-dual duality - extremely painful death
and life filled with joy seemed equal, no difference, all irrelevant, only
Self Is, only I Am. I returned to my bodily awareness, so filled with power
and reality that I walked around for weeks wondering how people don't see
that God is HERE, NOW! :))) It was Easter, 1994.
Since then, it has been purification time, a technique I called the
up-stream kriya came to me, at first I simply noticed that I was doing it
not quite knowing what I was doing, later I found Makaja's book on
Kundalini-yoga, I finally realized it was Kundalini I was dealing with -
when I got this new computer with a modem and discovered the Internet, all
the pieces finally came to their places, this was it. I perfected the
technique, discovered that I could easily awaken other people's Kundalini -
it was such a natural thing that first few times I didn't even know what
was it I was doing until they started manifesting Kundalini symptoms - my
mind had nothing to do with it, it just happened naturally. The first
"wall" I discovered at visuddha, level 6 - discovering that Makaja's talk
about seven levels of Kundalini purification in chakras was true - in my
technique, you clean the surface until you get the clear inner space, and a
ceiling, a wall above, the things that do not get cleaned so easily - when
you break off a tiny piece from above, it messes up the entire lower
system, breaking up into its basic components - and then you clean this
mess with kriya. So I started breaking the wall on visuddha - that was in
the middle of the 1997. Then it was ajna 7, late 1997. Last month I removed
an ugly piece of compressed junk from between ajna and sahasra-ara. Now I
am working on something - it isn't over yet, so I do not quite understand
what is happening exactly; probably I will find out more about it and share
with you all. :)
Sorry for the megapost; I am posting it to the both lists - I sure don't
want to write something this big again, and since I have been reading the
k-list for a year now, I feel it is OK to give something back. ;)))))
And a big hug to you all! :)
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Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 13:08:44 +0100
From: Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamusa.net>
To: heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Anahata and the Heart
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Hi Harsha! :)
At 21:35 1998.02.07 EST, you wrote:
>In a message dated 98-02-07 19:01:09 EST, tseewATnospamservtech.com writes:
>
><< But anahata isn't the connection to God. The
> _entire_ system is, mulaadhara-sushumna-sahasraara vertical line. >>
>
>Harsha writes: This conceptualization is misleading in several ways. Advanced
>Yogis can experience the Shakti both in the back and in the front. Many Nadis
>in the front develop in later stages. Anahata is the Psychic Heart Center of
>Kundalini Yoga and is an important center to develop for many aspirants.
It is
>safer to develop it first. Many celestial visions arise from this Chakra.
Yes, I agree with that.
>However, when great sages refer to the Heart as the Self, they are not
>referring to Anahata.
That is an interesting view. I've always interpreted that part as an
attempt to activate anahata in order to connect with Self in a relationship
of love, devotion and adoration - a personal love relationship with God.
>The Sanskrit word Hridayam (also translated Heart)
>refers to the Ultimate Subject, the Self It Self, which is Self-Existent and
>Shines by its own Essence. That Heart, the Reality of Being, is indeed beyond
>Sahasarara. That Heart is the very Core of Being and is the Center in which
>all other centers exist.
If you put it like that, i can do nothing but agree. :))
Nice to hear from you, i like your posts to the list. :)
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Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 13:46:47 GMT
From: Chris Hughes <aird.houseATnospamzetnet.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: One background coming up
Message-ID: <1998020813464784101ATnospamzetnet.co.uk>
Dear Soul
I have just read your background and it sums up the frustration I
have felt at times, with similar language. I am thinking of trying
Tantra ( can you do this on your own?) but my wife is not interested
in my spiritual journey. I went to see Sai Baba Christmas 96 and that
was a wonderful experience and last October I went to see Guruji a
God realised Guru and that was amazing. On his Ashram I felt the
experience of Divine Love. My meditation is difficult as I have no
internal visulisation though I have had birds singing in my head
which hapened when I pleaded with God to help me see His light at my
third eye, so at least that is a blessing. How did you clean out the
rubish between the chakras? Yoganandas book "Divine Romance is good"
though not about Kundalin as such. Thank you for your honest" One
Back Ground Coming UP" I have only once before written to the list
but the mixture of views expressed here is very helpful to me and I
love the stories and humour. We are all children at heart.
Love Chris
Sai Ram
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 19:47:50 +0000 (GMT)
From: Gaurav Asthana <gauravATnospamlw1.vsnl.net.in>
To: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Democracy
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There were occasions Dieter was out of bounds unable to heed to anybody's
advice.His matter was also not quite relevant.While religion and
spirituality may run parallel to kundalini it's not the same.In the former
you seek energy from outside while in k activation you are tapping your
inner inbuilt resources.In the former there's inflow of energy from
outside while in the latter there's outflow of energy from you.Finally the
matter may come to the same thing,i.e., balancing and harmony between
outside and inside forces.Perhaps with the difference that in k activation
one is more in command of things.
A slight change of topic you said
everybody has kundalini functioning and shaping their individuality.What
do you think of other forms of life,i.e.,animals whose evolution has
stagnated near zero since ages.Don't they have kundalini or maybe it's
unable to function at all.That looks worth discovering.
On Sat, 7 Feb
1998 Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com wrote:
Harsha writes: Brother Dieter has been put on a diet (of words). Well, the
list has to be managed in a practical way. What could Angelique do? Maybe put
the matter to a vote? Perhaps if dear Dieter can promise Angelique to be
restrained in the volumes that he offers, he can be allowed to reincarnate
back into the list.
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 09:41:02 EST
From: MeadowartATnospamaol.com
To: annfisherATnospamstic.net, Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
Cc: heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: HRTZEN: Re: Anahata and the Heart
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It's so you can kiss someone from your heart:)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 09:00:59 -0800 (PST)
From: Blythe <merlinATnospampnn.com>
To: PEGLUMPKINATnospamaol.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Physical symptoms and request for solutions
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Hi Peg. You wrote very clearly about expressing gratitude. I've called it
"practicing praiseful awareness", but never laid it out in such simple
words. When I try to explain to others, I wind up bouncing on my toes,
waving my arms around, and talking in circles.
May I forward your words on to certain of my friends? I will wait for your
reply.
Blessings and love,
Blythe
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 09:39:11 -0800 (PST)
From: Blythe <merlinATnospampnn.com>
To: ce269ATnospamtorfree.net (Barbara Shinton)
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: http://www.execpc.com/~libra/kund/whatsnew.html
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At 11:29 PM 2/6/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Can you tell me anything about kundalini rising and menopause?
Hi Barbara.
You might look for a copy of "Liquid Light of Sex, Kundalini Rising at
Midlife Crisis", by Barbara Hand Clow.
"We FORM at age thirty, we TRANSFORM at age forty,and we TRANSMUTE at age fifty"
I'm menopausal, and have noticed that things have speeded up considerably in
recent years, but can't tell if that's because I'm going through menopause,
or because my kids are old enought that I can resume my spiritual seeking
more independently of their needs. The changes began to accelerate when they
turned thirteen, and were happily seetled in a nuturing school.
Blessings,
Blythe
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 18:39:47 +0100
From: Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamusa.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: One background coming up
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Hi Chris! :)
At 13:46 1998.02.08 GMT, Chris Hughes wrote:
>
>Dear Soul
> I have just read your background and it sums up the frustration I
>have felt at times, with similar language.
;)))
>I am thinking of trying
>Tantra ( can you do this on your own?) but my wife is not interested
>in my spiritual journey.
AFAIK, tantra is _not_ about sex, it is about using the sexual part of us
in order to feed our connection with God. An enormous part of my own energy
has always been connected to sexuality - at first I tried to repress that,
following some extremely stupid advice, and that has lead me nowhere, I
became a hard, rough, unkind and even at some times cruel and insensitive
person. Not a very nice place to be. As a matter of fact, the opposite to
that is the way to go - by recognizing that we are very sexual beings, we
are able to focus all that enormous energy of attraction, joy, adoration
and devotion on God/Goddess. It is, IMO, the only way to go. However, it
does not have anything to do with actually having sex - that can lead to
forming the horizontal energy links with the other person, unless he/she is
also completely focused on God/Goddess. Otherwise, it is just plain
ordinary sex, not vamacarya tantra as some like to call it.
>I went to see Sai Baba Christmas 96 and that
>was a wonderful experience
Great for you! I never had an opportunity to go there, hopefully it will
change. :)
>and last October I went to see Guruji a
>God realised Guru and that was amazing.
:))
>On his Ashram I felt the
>experience of Divine Love. My meditation is difficult as I have no
>internal visulisation though I have had birds singing in my head
>which hapened when I pleaded with God to help me see His light at my
>third eye, so at least that is a blessing. How did you clean out the
>rubish between the chakras?
Well, the first thing is to feel that stuff, to be able to connect to the
emotional contents of that energy - the first thing to do is to open
vertically. The easiest way to do that is to "remember God", by reading the
most powerful holy text you know, to think about your guru - having Sai
Baba's picture in front of you may help enormously. With time, you'll be
able to do that at will, without any external help. The next thing is to
feel your inner space, starting from your feet and going up. You will be
able to feel the junk; feel it, and surrender it and yourself to God. Oh
well, I've come this far, I can make the entire technique public here. You
know the "jerk movement" of the head when you finish urinating, or your
entire body shaking when you go from warm to a cold place? That's it. Try
to do it at will, using yoni mudra, that is the contraction of the
perineum/anus (perineum/anus/vagina for women) area, it draws the energy
into susumna nadi, going straight up and leaving your body through
sahasra-ara. The most important thing is to internalize before doing it, to
go inside, connect to God, and then do it. Most of the problems with
Kundalini awakening are the result of externalization, looking out; that
overloads the impure systems and causes all sorts of problems. With this,
you'll be able to instantly draw such energy outbursts inside and up,
surrendering all the excess energy to God. Bottom line is, with this you
can clean up all the surface junk in a matter of days, as soon as you learn
to do this right. In a month, most probably you'll be able to reach the
vertical barrier on your top level chakra, where the real fun starts. :)
More about that when you get there.
Things to have in mind about doing this:
- It doesn't stop until _everything_ is out. This is a serious
transformation tool and should not be taken lightly. The results are
extremely powerful.
- Cleaning the junk releases more junk in the system; the junk has to be
removed before implanting itself into the system, because it can cause
trouble; when the chain reaction of cleaning up a certain area is started,
it has to be finished
- Do not do this unless you want to attain liberation. That's where this
leads. No other goal is possible.
When you do this, at first you could have parts of your body jerking;
left-right head movement means you are doing it right; energy is performing
a spiral movement around the spine and exiting through the crown chakra. I
called this technique "up-stream kriya", a sort of an English/Sanskrit
mish-mash. :) My students are doing this very successfully. It is
demanding, though, it is not difficult to do but discipline is required. Of
course, there are some rules regarding the way of life that make this a lot
easier. ;)
I hope I'll not regret this later. That's the first time I am making this
public.
Om Namah Shivaya! Jai Sai Ram!
>Yoganandas book "Divine Romance is good"
>though not about Kundalin as such. Thank you for your honest" One
>Back Ground Coming UP" I have only once before written to the list
>but the mixture of views expressed here is very helpful to me and I
>love the stories and humour. We are all children at heart.
>Love Chris
>Sai Ram
Nice talking to you! :)
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