1998/01/23 14:13
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #76
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 76
Today's Topics:
a child calling [ nkognito <nkognitoATnospamtcon.net> ]
reference to shamanism [ nkognito <nkognitoATnospamtcon.net> ]
Re: Crop Circles (was Re: Broadcast) [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistres ]
Re: Voices (was Re: Introduction) [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistres ]
Re: reference to shamanism [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistres ]
Re: Voices (was Re: Introduction) [ "Kirk Anderson" <d242kaosATnospamgte.net> ]
Re: Ok i'm a chicken.... [ Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic ]
Re: Voices (was Re: Introduction) [ Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic ]
Re: Voices (was Re: Introduction) [ Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic ]
Phase shifting [ ori <oriATnospameskimo.com> ]
Re: Phase shifting [ anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities. ]
Re: Phase shifting [ RadiantTchATnospamaol.com ]
need some sound advice [ chelseaATnospamSUPERAJE.COM (Dominic & Mau ]
need some sound advise [ chelseaATnospamsuperaje.com (Dominic & Mau ]
Re: need some sound advise [ Meadowart <MeadowartATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Crop Circles [ Richard Wentk <richardATnospamskydancer.co ]
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 05:50:32 -0500
From: nkognito <nkognitoATnospamtcon.net>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: a child calling
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This is a resend, came back undeliverable so I am resending
Greetings to All,
When I first started meditating, I had this young boy calling to me for
help. He was lost and looking for his Dad. He appeared to me in a dream
once, he was 8 years old and the most beautiful child I had ever seen.
For months his voice haunted me and there were times I could not help but
weep for him because he was lost. I got the impression that he had been
kidnapped and his father was looking for him too. And strange as it may
sound, I felt like a link between the two of them. After several months, I
stopped hearing his voice, I hope that he has been found.
People often say that having the gift of seeing or hearing if a wonderful
thing, but for me, the knowing and not being able to help someone is a very
hard thing to deal with. Its like having 99 percent of the picture and
that 1 percent missing is what keeps me from being able to do something
about it. Like seeing a place with perfect clarity and not know the name
of the place or where the location is, or seeing someone and not knowing
who they are, or knowing that some will be hurt and not being able to know
the time or day to be able to stop it from happening.
Love and Light,
Sherry
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 05:50:35 -0500
From: nkognito <nkognitoATnospamtcon.net>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: reference to shamanism
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This is a resend, hopefully I now have my address book corrected.
At 12:20 PM 1/22/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Sherry, since my experience with shamanism has been nothing but
>positive, I would like to know more about your experience and also in
>what way you attribute it to shamanism. Please don't feel I am
>challenging you, I simply want to know more about what your experiences
>were and how they came about. You may respond offlist, if you like, or
>(of course) not at all if you choose.
>
>Blessings,
>
>Orea
--------------------------
Hi Orea,
Thanks for asking. As far as I know, I'm not a shaman. I was more using
this as a figure of speech. In that my understanding (and VERY limited at
that), of how shamans may fight against "evil spirits" in order to heal a
person. As a matter of fact, when this particular episode happened, I was
very sick. I was in bed for 3 to 5 days with a fever of 104, bronchitis,
sinus infection and the flu. I kept the lights on night and day, until my
fever broke. And I only slept in the daytime.
Hallucinations and horrible nightmares and voices. At first I saw skeleton
faces, complete with chattering teeth and black hands reaching out to get
me. And it seemed every time I closed my eyes to fall asleep I would see
flashes of these things in my minds eye.
At first, I thought they were little puppies paws reaching out of a box,
but when I got closer, I realized that what I saw a baby buried alive in a
coffin. It little hands were reaching out to me. The parents thought that
it was dead but it was only sleeping, it had ingested some kind of poison
plant.
The next night I dreamed that they looked like little pigmy hands. And
when I tried to get closer, I fell into an abyss of darkness, the hands
were reaching out to get me while I just kept falling deeper and deeper
into the abyss of darkness. That was when I prayed so hard for God to save
me and Mother Mary came to me and said to believe that God loved me and
that everything would be alright.
The final dream of this series I dreamed of a wooden box with a black
panther's paw print on it and inside is a black panther and someone is
letting it out of the crate. ( hope that meant they found the baby and
got it out)
Other strange things I saw during this time of illness were prisms on the
bedroom walls in the shape of a whales eye or large tear drop (red, blue,
purple--and there aren't any crystals in that room. I could see through
the wall and thought that I saw St. Luke walking in my back yard. (I don't
even have a clue what he looked like in real life of course).
Its amazing the crazy things a fever will do to the mind's thinking
processes.
Sherry
.Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 03:35:01
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Crop Circles (was Re: Broadcast)
Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19980123033501.3a0f557aATnospamdomin8rex.com>
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Some of them are incredibly beautiful, fractals and mandalas..
http://alpha.mic.dundee.ac.uk/ft/crop_circles/1996/wind96.html
This site has the biggest collection of photos..
I like to meditate on them..
Blessings, Mystress.
At 02:10 23/01/98 -0600, Ann Morrison Fisher wrote:
<..> Christann Hummel,<...>said that they have received
>information that the crop circles are being put there by the devas.<...>
>Our group here is now collecting crop circle
>photos to have a good look at these geometric forms.
>
>Love,
>Ann
>
>
>
>
Mystress Angelique Serpent,
Dominant Experiential Facilitator.
Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent
:D ;) :0 :) ;P :0 ;) :D :0 :) ;P :0 ;) :)
I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas.
I'm frightened of the old ones. -- John Cage
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Officially the most beautiful city in the world.
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 03:53:24
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Voices (was Re: Introduction)
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At 02:01 23/01/98 -0600, Ann Morrison Fisher wrote:
>One of the entities who came to talk to me said, when I asked for a name to
>use, "Call me the Green Brother." Later I realized that he was a deva, and
>since I've been into the K. process, he's become my main guide.
>
>Love,
>Ann
>
Oy, studying druidism, surely you must recognize the Green Man.. Blessed
be!
http://jblstatue.com/pages/dijon.html
It is said, that there is not training, to become a Shaman.
One becomes a Shaman, if one is chosen by the spirits, and then, it is
the spirits, that do the training.. and it never stops. You are following a
path older than christ or buddah.. The Green man could be called Gaia's
consort..
Blessings, Mystress.
>
>
>
Mystress Angelique Serpent,
Dominant Experiential Facilitator.
Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent
:D ;) :0 :) ;P :0 ;) :D :0 :) ;P :0 ;) :)
I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas.
I'm frightened of the old ones. -- John Cage
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Officially the most beautiful city in the world.
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 04:18:31
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: nkognito <nkognitoATnospamtcon.net>
Cc: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: reference to shamanism
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At 05:50 23/01/98 -0500, nkognito wrote:
>This is a resend, hopefully I now have my address book corrected.
Your address book is correct.. the listserve is just letting you know
whom, of our 300+ members has a closed mailbox today. Delete and ignore.
>Thanks for asking. As far as I know, I'm not a shaman. As a matter of
fact, when this particular episode happened, I was
>very sick. I was in bed for 3 to 5 days with a fever of 104, bronchitis,
>sinus infection and the flu. I kept the lights on night and day, until my
>fever broke. And I only slept in the daytime.
You are a Shaman, and you chose the term by instinct. Severe illness with
wild visions, and even coma are common with the onset of the gift.
Spirits choose whom they will deal with, then they test that person's
courage, strength, faith and charachter.. fever to cleanse you for the new
energy.. You passed the test of faith, hanging onto your vision of Mother
Mary, and so they settled down to teach you of your limitless potential.
That is how one becomes a Shaman. There is no other way.
Spirits will teach you, too, that evil does not exist. There is only fear.
Blessings, Mystress.
Mystress Angelique Serpent,
Dominant Experiential Facilitator.
Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent
:D ;) :0 :) ;P :0 ;) :D :0 :) ;P :0 ;) :)
I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas.
I'm frightened of the old ones. -- John Cage
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Officially the most beautiful city in the world.
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 06:25:47 -0500
From: "Kirk Anderson" <d242kaosATnospamgte.net>
To: "Ann Morrison Fisher" <annfisherATnospamstic.net>,
"Mystress Angelique Serpent" <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
Cc: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Voices (was Re: Introduction)
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One becomes a Shaman, if one is chosen by the spirits, and then, it is
the spirits, that do the training.. and it never stops. You are following a
path older than christ or buddah.. The Green man could be called Gaia's
consort..
Ladies! Are you aware also of the Sufi Guide? Khidr, who is supposed to be
the spirit of Elijah (among many many others!) is known in fable by the fact
that he dresses in green, or sometimes may appear to be composed of
translucent green light. Khidr is a helper in times of distress, but only
for those of pure motivation. He clarifies values and brings inspiration.
He is the embodiment of the spiritual aspiration of the Sufi. And I think
they claim him to be a literal, self-exisiting personality... Anyone know
any more about the Green Guide? Perhaps our friends of East Indian
extraction, or the Muslims among us?
242
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 06:07:18 -0600
From: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Ok i'm a chicken....
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"Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail.com> wrote:
>>my problem is....i'm wondering what sleep deprivation is going to do
>>to me energy wise.
>
>.... Going down to 3 or less hours a day is hard for
>one day for a week it can be hell....
>
>.... There are people who have
>had special training who need this little amount sleep or even less and
>function well. But they first became very advanced in using prana and K
>and then have had training that is held in secret by very advanced
>adepts in India and Tibet.
>
I doubt if it's that rare. The method of physical relaxation I teach is
one I learned from my modern dance instructor in college. The whole class
practiced it sometimes. She said 15 minutes spent in this kind of
relaxation is as good as a 3-hour nap.
When I'm in normal good health and not under stress, I sleep 3 to 3 1/2
hours a night and have for many years. I think it's because of the
meditation and also because when I relax, I really relax. Sitting down or
lying down, I relax everything possible. Sometimes I'll feel sleepy and
I'll lie down with a book - then after reading for an hour or so, I feel
fine and just get up again.
Of course, now with this kundalini process so new, it varies a lot - I'm
never sure how long I'll sleep. Depends on what I've been doing with K.
Some years ago a TV show featured a couple of scientists from the sleep
clinic at Maimonides Hospital in NYC. They had found a number of people
who don't sleep a lot and TWO in England who don't sleep at all. Those two
were on the show.
One was a cab driver. (Well, actually he does sleep 15 minutes a day.) He
said when he was in the war he would lead a platoon (is that the right
word?) on jungle patrol. And he just quit going back to sleep. He stayed
in the jungle, and the other men came and went in shifts. He could get his
15 minutes in the jungle!
The other was an older single woman who doesn't sleep at all. Someone on
the show asked her what she found to do all those hours, and she said, "Oh
my, I have so many things to do I never have enough time for all of them."
She liked to sit in her rocking chair and knit or sew at night.
(Yogananda in his autobiography reported on two other people who didn't sleep.)
So the scientists said - if there are two people who don't sleep at all,
then people don't HAVE TO sleep. So why do we? Their answer is because we
think we have to. Why? Because primitive men did. It was a survival
factor - people who slept through the night in comfy caves didn't get
killed out in the dark by tigers and things. So ever since, our bodies
think they have to sleep.
Shortly after that show, my next-door neighbor, a woman living alone, told
me she was having a terrible time sleeping. She said she went to bed every
night by 12:00 and just tossed and turned until about 4:00 in the morning.
I asked her if she slept late. No - up every morning at 7:00. I said,
"Why don't you just wait to go to bed until you feel sleepy?" She looked
shocked. "Oh no," she said. "Midnight is late enough to go to bed!" So
she went right on rolling around in bed for four hours before she was
sleepy!
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:57:30 -0600
From: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
To: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Voices (was Re: Introduction)
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Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com> wrote:
>>At 02:01 23/01/98 -0600, Ann Morrison Fisher wrote:
>>One of the entities who came to talk to me said, when I asked for a name to
>>use, "Call me the Green Brother." Later I realized that he was a deva, and
>>since I've been into the K. process, he's become my main guide.
>>
>>Love,
>>Ann
>>
> Oy, studying druidism, surely you must recognize the Green Man.. Blessed
>be!
> http://jblstatue.com/pages/dijon.html
No, I didn't, Angelique! This is amazing to me. I first met Green Brother
in about 1970. I'll have to find my old files and see what he said then.
He says yes, he is the Green Man. Of the pictures on the pages at that
site, he likes best the one at Dijon.
I asked him, how could I have studied all those books and not seen this?
Is it because it wasn't in those books? "NO." Is it that you didn't want
me to connect that with your name at that period? "YES."
Well! Now I'll have to think about what it means. Possibly nothing that
will change anything for me. After all, I knew he was a deva, and I knew
he'd been around for a long time. Well, well.>
Blessed be!
> It is said, that there is not training, to become a Shaman.
> One becomes a Shaman, if one is chosen by the spirits, and then, it is
>the spirits, that do the training.. and it never stops. You are following a
>path older than christ or buddah.. The Green man could be called Gaia's
>consort..
> Blessings, Mystress.
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:56:17 -0600
From: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Cc: mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com
Subject: Re: Voices (was Re: Introduction)
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"Kirk Anderson" <d242kaosATnospamgte.net> wrote:
[Angelique]
> One becomes a Shaman, if one is chosen by the spirits, and then, it is
>the spirits, that do the training.. and it never stops. You are following a
>path older than christ or buddah.. The Green man could be called Gaia's
>consort..
>
>
>Ladies! Are you aware also of the Sufi Guide? Khidr, who is supposed to be
>the spirit of Elijah (among many many others!) is known in fable by the fact
>that he dresses in green, or sometimes may appear to be composed of
>translucent green light. Khidr is a helper in times of distress, but only
>for those of pure motivation. He clarifies values and brings inspiration.
>He is the embodiment of the spiritual aspiration of the Sufi. And I think
>they claim him to be a literal, self-exisiting personality... Anyone know
>any more about the Green Guide? Perhaps our friends of East Indian
>extraction, or the Muslims among us?
>
Thank you, Kirk! No, I didn't know about this. Green Brother says yes, he
is the Sufis' Green Guide. Amazing!
Love,
Ann>
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 07:08:52 -0800
From: ori <oriATnospameskimo.com>
To: Kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Phase shifting
Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980123070852.007ea100ATnospammail.eskimo.com>
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hello list members,
A quick note to say I'm unsubscribing while I get started back up
in school for a Master's in Counseling. I have learned so much from
being part of this list. This is the most international list I have
been on and I have valued the diverse insights that have been shared.
I've also appreciated being able to share some of my own process
and to learn from all of you regarding that. Not many places to share
some of what goes on.
I commented recently about not being sure I was ready for the intense
interpersonal relating that would be a part of the school I'm going to.
I tend to be more private than social. My friend commented that this
might be a good opportunity for me to get more comfortable in the social
realm. "True enough," I replied, "except I sometimes find it hard to
share in casual social conversation-- "
"what did you do over the weekend?"
"oh I moved through the etheric realms to the caves of the
Himalayans and was involved in Tantric rituals with some really
ancient out-of-body Tibetan monk types. How was your weekend?"
hehehe see what I mean?
It feels like a major ending and a new beginning for me.
In many ways I am leaving behind all I have known. I think my recent
weeks of clearing physically, emotionally, body and house have been
a preparation to simplify and lighten the load for what is to come.
Planting the seeds to carry me into the new millennium.
A big thank-you to the List Mystress Angelique for keeping it going.
Best wishes to all and I could sure use your good thoughts during
this time of new beginning.
Namaste,
ori
P.S. I've recently updated my Kundalini Resources page.
URL below.
oriATnospameskimo.com
Kundalini Resources on the Web
http://www.eskimo.com/~ori/kundalini.html
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 07:30:23 -0800
From: anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>
To: ori <oriATnospameskimo.com>
CC: "kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Phase shifting
Message-ID: <34C8B77D.314DAE4ATnospamgeocities.com>
ori wrote:
> hello list members,
> A quick note to say I'm unsubscribing while I get started back up
> in school for a Master's in Counseling. I have learned so much from
> being part of this list.
>
> I tend to be more private than social. My friend commented that this
> might be a good opportunity for me to get more comfortable in the social
> realm. "True enough," I replied, "except I sometimes find it hard to
> share in casual social conversation-- "
>
> "what did you do over the weekend?"
> "oh I moved through the etheric realms to the caves of the
> Himalayans and was involved in Tantric rituals with some really
> ancient out-of-body Tibetan monk types. How was your weekend?"
>
> hehehe see what I mean?
>
> It feels like a major ending and a new beginning for me.
> In many ways I am leaving behind all I have known. I think my recent
> weeks of clearing physically, emotionally, body and house have been
> a preparation to simplify and lighten the load for what is to come.
> Planting the seeds to carry me into the new millennium.
>
Hello Ori !
I personally would miss you, and would always remember to snip. Thank for
the friendly reminders. Your thoughts above are for keepers, could not bear
to snip them.
I wish you all the best in your venture and pray that life gives you
whatever you aspire for and all the happiness, health and wealth.
Sincerely,
Anandajyoti.
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/6782
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:23:33 EST
From: RadiantTchATnospamaol.com
To: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Phase shifting
Message-ID: <20ab0e68.34c8c407ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-01-23 10:06:13 EST, oriATnospameskimo.com writes:
<snip><< .....How was your weekend?"
hehehe see what I mean?
Yep, I know how it goes! Somehow, I have discovered a language to use with
each group or individual I am with, that says what I want to say, but says it
in a way that is "safe" for those listening, and as a result, "safe" for me.
That has helped me tremendously in stepping "out" there, and being ME in all
situations. I wish the same for you.
<<It feels like a major ending and a new beginning for me.
In many ways I am leaving behind all I have known. I think my recent
weeks of clearing physically, emotionally, body and house have been
a preparation to simplify and lighten the load for what is to come.
Planting the seeds to carry me into the new millennium. <snip>>
I understand completely, and feel that somehow, we are all doing those very
same things in our own ways - I know *I* am!
Peace and joy to you on your journey, friend.
Barbara Ellen
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 13:35:23 -0500
From: chelseaATnospamSUPERAJE.COM (Dominic & Maureen Marando)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: need some sound advice
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From: chelseaATnospamsuperaje.com (Dominic & Maureen Marando)
Subject: need some sound advise
Dear List Members;
First of all, thanks for being here guys.
I have a bit of a dilemma.
I have a friend who is going through a "spiritual emergency"...honestly it
is a friend not me...:).....and we seem to have come together (met recently)
as a result of us both needing someone to talk to about this stuff.
Things seemed to be going well and it was a relief to find someone in
physical form who could identify.
My dilemma is that this person, it's a man, seems to be all over the board
lately. I had offered him many books which he needed to read "just at that
time" and helped him alot.
But the last few times I have spoken with him I have been taken aback by
what he has been thinking.
Where does spiritual emergence/crisis/emergency end and psychosis begin?
Should you let someone become "dependant" on you?
For example.
I went on vacation with hubby and family and didn't see or speak to this
person for at least three weeks. When I got back our area was in the midst
of a major paralyzing ice storm of the milennium...no lights, heat etc. for
days.
He volunteered with the police to go door to door making sure people weren't
freezing to death. I thought this was a great thing for his healing. He also
was hired at a youth centre as a coordiantor/administrator and I was really
happy for him that he seemed to be getting his life back together so well,
after basically being a streetperson a couple of years ago.
However, when I got back from the vacation he was almost convinced his
apartment was bugged, that the ice storm was a warning for us all, and
became obsessed with the idea of a "war" between awakened humanity and
corporations like Coke who want to turn us into drones.
I see his point but it's all he can think about.
He makes statements like "I now know what Canadian nurses in world war II
were all about" after reading "The English Patient."
He seems a bit bitter that we don't talk as often as...I guess he feels he'd
like..but lately he is so negative...mostly about himself.....it's a bummer
and an energy drainer.
However, I don't want to abandon someone in spiritual emergence....but I am
no "guru".
Any advise?
Thanks for your time.
Mo
The almost-always lighthearted traveller.(whose finding it difficult to deal
with a heavy)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:36:15 -0500
From: chelseaATnospamsuperaje.com (Dominic & Maureen Marando)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: need some sound advise
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Dear List Members;
First of all, thanks for being here guys.
I have a bit of a dilemma.
I have a friend who is going through a "spiritual emergency"...honestly it
is a friend not me...:).....and we seem to have come together (met recently)
as a result of us both needing someone to talk to about this stuff.
Things seemed to be going well and it was a relief to find someone in
physical form who could identify.
My dilemma is that this person, it's a man, seems to be all over the board
lately. I had offered him many books which he needed to read "just at that
time" and helped him alot.
But the last few times I have spoken with him I have been taken aback by
what he has been thinking.
Where does spiritual emergence/crisis/emergency end and psychosis begin?
Should you let someone become "dependant" on you?
For example.
I went on vacation with hubby and family and didn't see or speak to this
person for at least three weeks. When I got back our area was in the midst
of a major paralyzing ice storm of the milennium...no lights, heat etc. for
days.
He volunteered with the police to go door to door making sure people weren't
freezing to death. I thought this was a great thing for his healing. He also
was hired at a youth centre as a coordiantor/administrator and I was really
happy for him that he seemed to be getting his life back together so well,
after basically being a streetperson a couple of years ago.
However, when I got back from the vacation he was almost convinced his
apartment was bugged, that the ice storm was a warning for us all, and
became obsessed with the idea of a "war" between awakened humanity and
corporations like Coke who want to turn us into drones.
I see his point but it's all he can think about.
He makes statements like "I now know what Canadian nurses in world war II
were all about" after reading "The English Patient."
He seems a bit bitter that we don't talk as often as...I guess he feels he'd
like..but lately he is so negative...mostly about himself.....it's a bummer
and an energy drainer.
However, I don't want to abandon someone in spiritual emergence....but I am
no "guru".
Any advise?
Thanks for your time.
Mo
The almost-always lighthearted traveller.(whose finding it difficult to deal
with a heavy)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 14:47:21 EST
From: Meadowart <MeadowartATnospamaol.com>
To: chelseaATnospamsuperaje.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: need some sound advise
Message-ID: <272caefe.34c8f3cbATnospamaol.com>
My experience with spiritual emergencies is limited but I'll tell you what
I've observed. Folks in these situations usually exhibit wild swings of energy
level, either being hyperactive or sleeping for days at a time. The mental
activity is acute. There can be extremes of emotion (cathartic weeping or
laughing for long periods). Voices, psychic activity, and hypersensitivity in
all the senses can be overwhelming.
Your buddy sounds needy and paranoid and, to me at least, it doesn't sound
like a spiritual emergency so much as a psychotic episode.
In either case, the best you can do for him is to recommend someone
trained to deal with mental crisis, whether that be a high level guru or a
psychiatrist.
Good friends know when they are out of their depth. Don't put yourself and
your family in danger or emotional pain from someone who is too far out for
you to comfort back to normality. No matter which is the case, it is beyond
the scope of what you can offer as a friend.
Send your buddy to the help he needs. You are supporting him, not
abandoning him by doing so. No one, other than him, appointed you savior, and
it might just be dangerous for you. Support him on the subtle plane, not the
physical. Affirm his restoration through positive thought and prayer and let a
pro winnow out what is spiritual emergency and what is psychosis.
I don't know if the Spiritual Emergence Network has a website, but it
might be worth looking for if you feel it is your responsibility to make a
recommendation to this fellow.
All the best,
Deb
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 20:15:01 +0000
From: Richard Wentk <richardATnospamskydancer.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Crop Circles
Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980123201443.009afae0ATnospammail.which.net>
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At 03:35 23/01/98, you wrote:
> Some of them are incredibly beautiful, fractals and mandalas..
> http://alpha.mic.dundee.ac.uk/ft/crop_circles/1996/wind96.html
Make that:
http://alpha.mic.dundee.ac.uk/ft/crop_circles/anasazi/connect.html
if you want the most recent ones.
Unfortunately some of these circles are very likely hoaxed. I live in the
area where a lot of the more obvious circles happen, and - well - let's
just say there's a lot of local politics on this subject that I won't bore
people with.
But some do seem to be genuine.
And they are pretty, wherever they come from. :-)
R.
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