1998/01/22 20:38
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #74
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 74
Today's Topics:
Re: introduction [ "Orea de Sa' Hana" <oreaATnospamerols.com> ]
Re: Ok i'm a chicken.... [ "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail. ]
Re: Ok i'm a chicken.... [ "Alvin T. Perhacs" <atpATnospambluestone.c ]
Re: fighting fear [ "Orea de Sa' Hana" <oreaATnospamerols.com> ]
Message from Kuthumi [ jacques groenen <jacques.groenenATnospampi ]
Re: Is it this way for anyone else ? [ Delirium <deliriumATnospamfull-moon.com> ]
Re: Is it this way for anyone else ? [ "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu> ]
a child calling [ nkognito <nkognitoATnospamtcon.net> ]
evolution [ John Lounsberry <berryATnospamcnwl.igs.net ]
Re: fighting fear [ nkognito <nkognitoATnospamtcon.net> ]
evolution [ John Lounsberry <berryATnospamcnwl.igs.net ]
RE: Crystal Skull [ sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net (Jack) ]
Re: evolution [ Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> ]
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:31:39 -0400
From: "Orea de Sa' Hana" <oreaATnospamerols.com>
To: Kundalini List <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: introduction
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I have a group on the other side that calls itself "we"....when I have a
question or a problem, one of them will come and talk to me. The reason
I was given for the no-name thing was that this is a group entity and
that the one who responded on any given subject was the one who was best
suited/qualified in that area, and that quite likely it would never be
the same one twice, so there was no point in giving a name each time.
I call them "my Overseers," because I have the distinct impression they
keep an eye on my and my life/work/progress to make sure nothing
interferes with whatever it is I am supposed to do here, as well as guide
and inform me as needed. I feel it is also they who held me in place a
few years ago when the left-turn arrow flashed green and several long
seconds later a car roared through the intersection where I would have
been. Just one example.
My sister bristles at the thought of being "overseen," because it seems
to threaten her feelings of independence, or impugns her ability to stand
on her own two feet, but I think of them more like a snowplow making
sure my path stays clear.
Blessings,
Orea
> Sherry wrote :
> doesn't have a name either. In fact, the voice says "we" sometimes
> which is sort of spooky, because I don't know who "we" is. Come to
> think of it I am not sure who I am either. (ggg) Most of the time its
> just a word or a sentence, never is a whole conversation. And I can't
> always tell whether it is male or female voice, sort of both I guess.
> Sorry I'm not familiar with "Loki" .
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 08:43:10 PST
From: "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Ok i'm a chicken....
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Reply to: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
>I'm preparing to enter a week long very intensive meditation retreat
>on Feb 16th.
>my problem is....i'm wondering what sleep deprivation is going to do
>to me energy wise.
It will cut it considerably if your "normal" most Americans get too
little sleep as it is. Going down to 3 or less hours a day is hard for
one day for a week it can be hell. (This will vary with age. If you're
under 30 it will be much easier than if you are much over 30.) At some
point you will think or feel you have more energy but that is the last
burst of your energy and your brain will be almost fried at that point.
I've done the sleep dep. thing back when in college (finals and
midterms) and that's what I got, well that and real problems maintaining
what was real and what was being created in my head. It was bad when I
was driving. Non-existant people kept running out in front of me. Other
drivers hated me. I stopped a lot! And very suddently!
>i'm sure i can handle this experience, since i was invited directly
>to come and do it, but the thought of doing meditational practises
>for 21 hours a day is beginning to sort of scare me. i've done
>similar things in the past, but no more than 14 hours a day.
>so i thought 'Hey i'll ask the experts :)' what does prolonged
>editation combined with sleep deprivation do?
It often leads to a unique form of meditation characterized by odd
noises coming from the meditator and occasional physical movement
commonly called "falling over".
>add in a strict diet
>too. Altho after the holidays, eating lighter food again is finally
>beginning to clear my head. i never eat meat unless someone else
>makes me dinner, then i do so as to not be rude, but it is very
>heavy-feeling and i cant help but feel sad for the one who lost their
>life for dinner.
>so any warnings would be appreciated.
I can see the benefit for some sort of people (body types, energy
levels, etc.) for most it sounds too rough. To help raise K the body
needs to BUILD energy. That requires sleep. There are people who have
had special training who need this little amount sleep or even less and
function well. But they first became very advanced in using prana and K
and then have had training that is held in secret by very advanced
adepts in India and Tibet. From my house I see the Smokies every day.
The people (who are still in their bodies) around here who fall into
that group can be counted on the fingers of one hand, even if you used
to work in a sawmill.
>i'm not driving anywhere afterward for a while either.
>add in one temple located in the smoky mountains too....
Namaste,
Joe
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:51:17 -0500 (EST)
From: "Alvin T. Perhacs" <atpATnospambluestone.com>
To: Joseph Miller <joemillerATnospamhotmail.com>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Ok i'm a chicken....
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On Thu, 22 Jan 1998, Joseph Miller wrote:
>
> It will cut it considerably if your "normal" most Americans get too
> little sleep as it is. Going down to 3 or less hours a day is hard for
> one day for a week it can be hell. (This will vary with age. If you're
> under 30 it will be much easier than if you are much over 30.) At some
> point you will think or feel you have more energy but that is the last
> burst of your energy and your brain will be almost fried at that point.
> I've done the sleep dep. thing back when in college (finals and
> midterms) and that's what I got, well that and real problems maintaining
> what was real and what was being created in my head. It was bad when I
> was driving. Non-existant people kept running out in front of me. Other
> drivers hated me. I stopped a lot! And very suddently!
The key to getting sufficient amounts of sleep is ensuring that the body
is totally relaxed down before bed. The body may get 8 hours of sleep, but
if the body is still functioning during that time due to you not "shutting
down the body" you can actually be getting 3-4 hours of "rest".
If you are thinking alot about challenges or situations, your body will
usually work on these at night and can cause you to be in a state of
un-restfullness.
When you go to sleep whether it be 4,5 or 8 hours, tell the subconsious
to shut down and relax the body down so that you are maximizing
the amount of restfull sleep that your body is getting.
So in essence if you only get 4-5 hours of sleep, but your body is
relaxing down and you are getting the full 4-5, you are actually resting
the body more than 8 hours of sleep with only half or more of that time
being restful.
When your energy level is high, it is quite possible that you will be
turned on all night and then wake up feeling very tired, when the day
before you may have been at optimal levels of energy.
I hope this makes sense, but most of all it works if you can consiously
decide to put your body in the state that you want it to be in, not the
one that it wants to be in.
Respectfully,
Al Perhacs
http://members.aol.com/fourzone
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 12:20:34 -0400
From: "Orea de Sa' Hana" <oreaATnospamerols.com>
To: nkognito <nkognitoATnospamtcon.net>, Kundalini List <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: fighting fear
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Sherry, since my experience with shamanism has been nothing but
positive, I would like to know more about your experience and also in
what way you attribute it to shamanism. Please don't feel I am
challenging you, I simply want to know more about what your experiences
were and how they came about. You may respond offlist, if you like, or
(of course) not at all if you choose.
Blessings,
Orea
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 19:09:17 +0100
From: jacques groenen <jacques.groenenATnospampi.net>
To: conflight <conflight-lATnospamspiritweb.org>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, tsharp1ATnospamix.netcom.com
Subject: Message from Kuthumi
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Message from Ascended Master Kuthumi
to the Lightworkers
of the Shield of the Command
(The Netherlands)
Beloved Children of the Rainbow Heart, it is I Kuthumi, I speak in the
unified voice of Shakti/Shiva, Metatron, Melchizedek and the Divine
Mother Mary. I come to you this day to deliver this message of
importance to the Great Workers of the Shield of the Command. Their
shields shine and sparkle with the splendor of many diamonds and Arthur
is their King. Beloved Children, realize the importance of your tasks to
Unite the People of the Earth, bringing the Glory and the Joy into the
Hearts of Mankind.
Aeons have past after the fall of Atlantis, dark clouds came before the
Light. The Light never left you and morning has broken to shine your
Lights again. All Ancient Ones who receive this message into their
Hearts and resonate with their Truth are the workers of the Shield of
the Command, destined to bring Light into the deepest darkness, removing
the spell of one against one, all against all. The Sword from the Left
Hand of Lord Michael shall be with you cutting the ties of division and
pointing the way to Truth Divine.
Open Thy Hearts and let your wonderful colors flow and dance. Empty your
minds and let the Glory of the Precious Mind stream in. Release the
Powers of Love in every moment and let them encompass the Earth. Connect
your Hearts with the Mineral, Plant and Animal Kingdom, call on the
Devas and proceed with Joy. The Power and Holy Fire of the Goddess is
returning, bringing the healing Flame of Divine Kundalini, sweeping away
all what is less then Oneness. Shakti and Shiva will abundantly dance in
all their Splendor and Beauty.
Dear Ones, gather all your strength and courage to make Beloved Terra
move into the One. Go into the heart of China, travel and rejoice,
connecting East and West, bridging North and South. Melt the separation
of male and female with Divine Joy in your Hearts. Being God's Children
creating a new Golden Era. New Camelot is born on Earth.
Namaste, Adonai, Adonai, Adonai,
I AM Kuthumi
(Received by Jacques Groenen Januari 22 1998, 14.00h)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 13:39:54 +0000
From: Delirium <deliriumATnospamfull-moon.com>
To: Kundalini-l <Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Is it this way for anyone else ?
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Jack wrote:
> Hours later, I surface from the dreamless, deep black limbo. My head
> is vibrating with an irregularly modulating static buzz that makes me
> feel irritable, on edge. My body feels weak, yet is hot and tense, as
> if all my ligaments were being pulled too tight, and tied up in a
> little knot at the top of my head.
>
Just recently, the past two days, in fact, I've been having trouble going
to sleep, and your experience rang some bells in my head...(and my
ears...<grin>)...although it's not upon waking/surfacing from sleep, I
too feel an irritability, edginess, tightness, one that seems to
originate at the heart chakra area and to "tweak" all my
extremities...not unlike the unpleasant sensation that happens when the
body reacts to too much decongestant...I have to get up and move around,
but the sensation doesn't stop. It doesn't change, either...it is
insistent but I do not know what it "wants" from me. And my meditation is
uncomfortable for it, I can't seem to get grounded enough right now to
persuade the energy, the pull, the sensation, to come together. What the
heck is going on?
> The last time I´d seen Loki, we´d talked about the power of light. She
> told me that we humans are creatures of light - that we resonate to
> the energy of light's colours throughout every level of our being. She
> began to describe the various hues of delicate silks that were draped
> on sunlit windows in ancient Egypt. <snippage>
Jack, you describe this so beautifully, I can see it myself! My messages
come mostly in dreams, and I have had various dreams over the past
several years that had to do with light beings...rainbows were
involved...in one of these dreams golden light creatures were coming up
from the earth and transforming us all into different beings, humans who
incorporated the light beings into themselves, with all their experiences
and knowledge...in the dream, we transformed beings wore symbolic
clothes, with a rainbow stripe painted up the leg and body of a dark blue
overall...
In another dream, an enormous sea serpent was coming up near a small
village, changing the village completely...these must be related...there
are others...
> <more snippage>..,"Why don´t you ...experiment with the colors of light
> and see for yourself"...
> My attention is now focused on an obvious duality of my energy body. I
> can feel the asynchrony of my two sides. The left side seems to be
> made of many vertical bands, or strings, of rapidly vibrating energy.
> The right side feels as if it´s spiralling chaotically. I go into the
> asynchronous sensations and ride them. The ride is like a non-stop
> roller coaster but I stay with it anyway. Gradually I feel my energy
> halves beginning to synchronize. Their patterns superimpose into
> something that gives me the impression of an active, energetic
> Rorscharch blot in the center of my inner field of vision. The
> intensity of the sensations diminishes eventually becoming a mild, but
> pleasant, synchronous, full body buzz.
I wonder if you have "incorporated the golden creatures" like those in my
dream...
Beautiful description, Jack...just beautiful.
I'm wrestling with my own energy buzz described above...and with
depression related to my creative life, which I have forced
underground...but it's obviously surfacing, making itself known,
particularly in my dreams, and in the Shakti energy that has been moving
in me for a couple years.
Well, I don't really know what your experience nor mine means, but I
think there are many people experiencing similar things right now and
it's gotta be for a reason!
FWIW--Blessings--Kath
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:30:51 -0500
From: "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Is it this way for anyone else ?
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Hi,
Yes, I think this IS the way for some of us.
Here are some snips from a message I received recently which refers to it.
Perhaps some of you may find this of interest.
------------------------------------
Sunday, January 18, 1998
Q: Tomm can you tell me more about the recent events that have been
disrupting things?
A: Yes. My name is Tomm. You have been going through the period of
transition which I mentioned before. So are some of the...(others). These
transitional periods can be trying to endure, but they are necessary as they
prepare you for further development not possible otherwise....
Perhaps you may recall that you were told of an influx of energy which would
cause responses in various ...(people)...(my note: those who are meant to be
affected by this energy) and that would vary in its onset from two to three
days to a period of three weeks or more. Those people with a short response
time find themselves now in the throes of a complex transition. Those with
a longer response time only now begin to enter this field of energy. Those
who resist the energy will delay its onset, but only for a time.
As this transition plays itself out, the hills and valleys of the effect
will tend to smooth. You are, in effect, riding a sine wave of energy. As
this sine wave increases its "pitch" the ups and downs will be much closer
together until finally you are propelled more or less effortlessly along
this energy path.
As part of this transition, energy is not only increasing but also the side
effects of this energy which include emotional responses that mediate
physiological effects such as depression and elation. This is the bodies'
way of immediately responding to the sine wave effect. The long term effect
is to seek an equilibrium, a homeostasis of the psyche so to speak.
This disruption, though difficult to bear, will lead you to areas of the
psyche which are unfamiliar, yet upon your arrival at this level you will be
imbued with a feeling of deja vu. The reason for this, of course, is that
you have traveled this path before. There will be more transitions to come,
yet each will manifest in different ways.
-------------------------------------------
Sharon
shawebbATnospamyhc.edu
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:44:24 -0500
From: nkognito <nkognitoATnospamtcon.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: a child calling
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Greetings to All,
When I first started meditating, I had this young boy calling to me for
help. He was lost and looking for his Dad. He appeared to me in a dream
once, he was 8 years old and the most beautiful child I had ever seen.
For months his voice haunted me and there were times I could not help but
weep for him because he was lost. I got the impression that he had been
kidnapped and his father was looking for him too. And strange as it may
sound, I felt like a link between the two of them. After several months, I
stopped hearing his voice, I hope that he has been found.
People often say that having the gift of seeing or hearing if a wonderful
thing, but for me, the knowing and not being able to help someone is a very
hard thing to deal with. Its like having 99 percent of the picture and
that 1 percent missing is what keeps me from being able to do something
about it. Like seeing a place with perfect clarity and not know the name
of the place or where the location is, or seeing someone and not knowing
who they are, or knowing that some will be hurt and not being able to know
the time or day to be able to stop it from happening.
Love and Light,
Sherry
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 18:59:56 -0500
From: John Lounsberry <berryATnospamcnwl.igs.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: evolution
Message-ID: <34C7DD7B.E53ATnospamcnwl.igs.net>
E-MAIL<berryATnospamcnwl.igs.net>FROM JOHN LOUNSBERRY
Where is our consciousness evolution going to. Lets look
at points of reference that we can more easily relate to.
Lets look at our time line of the evolution of technology
putting all of mans existence on this planet in a 1 year calendar.
In the last 3 seconds of that year mankind invents the
computer. At our present rate of technical growth which is
logarithmic who could accurately predict where we will be 1000
years from now little alone 10 years. Even our great gurus of
science only speculate. So where could we be in our consciousness
evolution in the next 100 years. The Kundalini is an active part of
this evolution of consciousness.
Imagine in our great universe other civilizations who
are millions of years older then ours, where would they be in the
consciousness evolution chart. We would probably treat them like
God, (the thought of this only creates more debate.)
For us to understand the ultimate nature of reality, I do
not
believe there is an ultimate, just another step.
To comprehend any form of consciousness is like asking
Christopher Columbus for a report about the new world before his
departure. My personal feeling even though our journey is toward
the light, it unfamiliar, solitary and even in the dark groping for
points of reference.
Sharing ideas to help make this journey more in the light and less
solitary. Love John Lounsberry in Canada.
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 19:58:58 -0500
From: nkognito <nkognitoATnospamtcon.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: fighting fear
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At 12:20 PM 1/22/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Sherry, since my experience with shamanism has been nothing but
>positive, I would like to know more about your experience and also in
>what way you attribute it to shamanism. Please don't feel I am
>challenging you, I simply want to know more about what your experiences
>were and how they came about. You may respond offlist, if you like, or
>(of course) not at all if you choose.
>
>Blessings,
>
>Orea
--------------------------
Hi Orea,
Thanks for asking. As far as I know, I'm not a shaman. I was more using
this as a figure of speech. In that my understanding (and VERY limited at
that), of how shamans may fight against "evil spirits" in order to heal a
person. As a matter of fact, when this particular episode happened, I was
very sick. I was in bed for 3 to 5 days with a fever of 104, bronchitis,
sinus infection and the flu. I kept the lights on night and day, until my
fever broke. And I only slept in the daytime.
Hallucinations and horrible nightmares and voices. At first I saw skeleton
faces, complete with chattering teeth and black hands reaching out to get
me. And it seemed every time I closed my eyes to fall asleep I would see
flashes of these things in my minds eye.
At first, I thought they were little puppies paws reaching out of a box,
but when I got closer, I realized that what I saw a baby buried alive in a
coffin. It little hands were reaching out to me. The parents thought that
it was dead but it was only sleeping, it had ingested some kind of poison
plant.
The next night I dreamed that they looked like little pigmy hands. And
when I tried to get closer, I fell into an abyss of darkness, the hands
were reaching out to get me while I just kept falling deeper and deeper
into the abyss of darkness. That was when I prayed so hard for God to save
me and Mother Mary came to me and said to believe that God loved me and
that everything would be alright.
The final dream of this series I dreamed of a wooden box with a black
panther's paw print on it and inside is a black panther and someone is
letting it out of the crate. ( hope that meant they found the baby and
got it out)
Other strange things I saw during this time of illness were prisms on the
bedroom walls in the shape of a whales eye or large tear drop (red, blue,
purple--and there aren't any crystals in that room. I could see through
the wall and thought that I saw St. Luke walking in my back yard. (I don't
even have a clue what he looked like in real life of course).
Its amazing the crazy things a fever will do to the mind's thinking
processes.
Sherry
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 20:01:58 -0500
From: John Lounsberry <berryATnospamcnwl.igs.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: evolution
Message-ID: <34C7EC06.7748ATnospamcnwl.igs.net>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: evolution
> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 12:59:56 +1300
> From: John Lounsberry <berryATnospamcnwl.igs.net>
> To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
>
> E-MAIL<berryATnospamcnwl.igs.net>FROM JOHN LOUNSBERRY
>
> Where is our consciousness evolution going to. Lets look
> at points of reference that we can more easily relate to.
> Lets look at our time line of the evolution of technology
> putting all of mans existence on this planet in a 1 year calendar.
> In the last 3 seconds of that year mankind invents the
> computer. At our present rate of technical growth which is
> logarithmic who could accurately predict where we will be 1000
> years from now little alone 10 years. Even our great gurus of
> science only speculate. So where could we be in our consciousness
> evolution in the next 100 years. The Kundalini is an active part of
> this evolution of consciousness.
> Imagine in our great universe other civilizations who
> are millions of years older then ours, where would they be in the
> consciousness evolution chart. We would probably treat them like
> God, (the thought of this only creates more debate.)
> For us to understand the ultimate nature of reality, I do
> not
> believe there is an ultimate, just another step.
> To comprehend any form of consciousness is like asking
> Christopher Columbus for a report about the new world before his
> departure. My personal feeling even though our journey is toward
> the light, it unfamiliar, solitary and even in the dark groping for
> points of reference.
>
> Sharing ideas to help make this journey more in the light and less
> solitary. Love John Lounsberry in Canada.
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 01:36:56 GMT
From: sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net (Jack)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: RE: Crystal Skull
Message-ID: <34c7f410.52006304ATnospammailhost.worldnet.att.net>
Someone mentioned this just recently. Came across this URL.
CRYSTALSKULL-LATnospammb.protree.com
Check Reference.Com for signup info.
Jack
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 20:48:55 EST
From: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
To: berryATnospamcnwl.igs.net, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Cc: heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Subject: Re: evolution
Message-ID: <d64a264f.34c7f709ATnospamaol.com>
JOHN LOUNSBERRY: Where is our consciousness evolution going to.
Lets look at points of reference that we can more easily relate to.
Harsha writes: But points of reference lie in the realm of Imagination and of
Time and Space.
JOHN LOUNSBERRY: Lets look at our time line of the evolution of
technology putting all of mans existence on this planet in a 1 year calendar.
In the last 3 seconds of that year mankind invents the
computer. At our present rate of technical growth which is
logarithmic who could accurately predict where we will be 1000
years from now little alone 10 years. Even our great gurus of
science only speculate.
Harsha writes: Yes, that is true. So what?
JOHN LOUNSBERRY: So where could we be in our consciousness
evolution in the next 100 years. The Kundalini is an active part of
this evolution of consciousness.
Harsha: It is hard to say where we would be in terms of consciousness
evolution. But you confuse "evolution" of consciousness with the "Essence" of
consciousness. The Essential nature of consciousness is the foundation upon
which the "evolution" of consciousness appears to take place
JOHN LOUNSBERRY: Imagine in our great universe other civilizations who
are millions of years older then ours, where would they be in the
consciousness evolution chart. We would probably treat them like
God, (the thought of this only creates more debate.)
Harsha writes: Imagination is a beautiful thing. It is possible to imagine
anything. This does not deny anything you are saying.
JOHN LOUNSBERRY: For us to understand the ultimate nature of reality, I
do
not believe there is an ultimate, just another step. To comprehend any form
of consciousness is like asking Christopher Columbus for a report about the
new world before his departure. My personal feeling even though our
journey is toward
the light, it unfamiliar, solitary and even in the dark groping for
points of reference.
Harsha writes: Naturally one will grope if points of reference are sought
outside of oneself in imagination only. Moreover, such points of reference
will continue changing endlessly with the possibility of more confusion.
JOHN LOUNSBERRY:Sharing ideas to help make this journey more in the light and
less solitary. Love John Lounsberry in Canada.
Harsha writes: It is beautiful to share and express ideas. Where do all our
ideas about evolution of consciousness, and perceptions and imagination about
the Universe comes from? Do they not come from the Mind? If we seek the Source
of the Mind, we will find the Essential Nature of Consciousness as It Is.
Until then Imagination is King.
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