1998/01/18 18:31
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #58
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 58
Today's Topics:
Kalki - The next Avatar [ Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu> ]
Re: Broadcast [ NancyATnospamwtp.net ]
Re: EAR RINGING POLL [ "frans" <fransATnospamtelebyte.nl> ]
Unidentified subject! [ Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu> ]
new member [ Ray Morel <r.morelATnospamsympatico.ca> ]
Re: KA and Half-Baked Theology Part [ John Lounsberry <berryATnospamcnwl.igs.net ]
Re: Right & left... [ SchrLL <SchrLLATnospamaol.com> ]
God's breath [ Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu> ]
re:ghosts portals was rope, water.. [ "Susan Carlson" <divine_goddessATnospamhot ]
Re: Broadcast [ sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net (Jack) ]
Running in Circles [ Teresa <TGarlandATnospamVIPMail.com> ]
Re: Ear Ringing Poll, 13 so far [ SchrLL <SchrLLATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: EAR RINGING - and sleep. [ SchrLL <SchrLLATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: understanding [ "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com> ]
Re: HRTZEN: "Conversatins" [ Louis Conjar <lconjarATnospamerols.com> ]
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 12:12:16 -1000
From: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Kalki - The next Avatar
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Thank you for bringing up the following; .. It really made my day after
reading on another list that American military enlistees and officers and
reservists will all have to accept a microchip implant now. This is
considered by many to be the Mark of the Beast...
You say: >> But the
Divine guides the evolution of His/Her/Its own manifestation, thank
goodness (and many believe that the Divine will even manifest as an avatar
and smooth things along a bit if we naughty children get too out of hand)!
Everything is Right with a capital R.
>>>
I understand the next Avatar to be Kalki - a White Horse (Hindu) which I
have already seen in meditation. He is coming soon, yes. And I for one
am very grateful... for I feel the next 10 years will be intense with the
consolidation of all finance, food, economics, and resources into the
hands of a few tyrants with no interest in our human rights and
sovereignty. WE shall see how it all transpires...after all my sig.
seems to be as true as it gets....!
******
So, for the individual..there is no purpose or goal except to be a vehicle
through which Source can amuse itself...[Satyam Nadeem]
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Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 15:16:11 -0700
From: NancyATnospamwtp.net
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Broadcast
Message-ID: <34C27F2B.2E15ATnospamwtp.net>
Gene Kieffer wrote:
> ...you are teaching us about the
> spiritual universe. I just don't see how it connects with scientific
> verification.
GENE, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT MANY ARE TRYING TO POINT OUT TO YOU! The
spiritual universe cannot be scientifically verified. Science is the
slave to spirit not the other way around.
Nancy
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 23:22:57 +100
From: "frans" <fransATnospamtelebyte.nl>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: EAR RINGING POLL
Message-Id: <199801182220.XAA32023ATnospamdegas.telebyte.nl>
Hello Linda, ear ringing all the time. Sometimes very loud, high
pitched. There's also allways a very low sound, but don't know if
that's from city traffic. Frans
Kundalini Mailing List pages in Europe:
http://www.telebyte.nl/~frans/kundalini/
Foto galery of k-list members:
http://www.telebyte.nl/~frans/we/
> ATnospam->->---
> Another poll.....
> How many of you out there have experienced ear ringing to any significant
> degree? Give me your responses and feedback. I think I have sufficient
> evidence to support my Binary Luminary idea. More to come
> Love and Light, Linda
>
>
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 12:40:43 -1000
From: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Unidentified subject!
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Hi responding to Gene's post;
>>Then then went on to explain that spiritual laws are far, far
more rigid, more solid, more concrete, more unassailable, more
unalterable, than physical laws. And we all know how rigid
physical laws are every time we slip and fall on the ice.
>>
So who knows about these laws? How did they explain them in terms that we
in physical bodies can understand? Are you talking about Karma?
Karma is a part of the limited mind.. I do not call it a spiritual law..
I would like to know what a spiritual law is... to me it is just one more
creation of the mind.
At a certain stage of spiritual recognition or
of spiritual expansion (I am not saying evolution) one realizes that there
are no laws about anything.. and everything we put so much store by, means
zip in fact.
>>
There are a lot of good inspirational books on the market, but
I would not place "Conversations With God" among them. That, again,
is just one person's opinion.
With all best wishes,
gene
>>
Not surprised that you do not put any confidence in this book becuase it
comes from a place that you appear not to have accessed Gene. I would say
that until you have the heart/mind connection, this book, as so many
others, will continue to be a mystery. Try reading it again in a few
years.
******
So, for the individual..there is no purpose or goal except to be a vehicle
through which Source can amuse itself...[Satyam Nadeem]
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Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 17:41:45 -0800
From: Ray Morel <r.morelATnospamsympatico.ca>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: new member
Message-ID: <34C2AF59.7369ATnospamsympatico.ca>
Hello everyone,
My name is Tammy and I have been sort of reading the digests, but don't
seem to begetting any real list mail. Please help.
I have been experimenting with meditation, I am new to all this but feel
that I have an inner self that can definitely be reached. When I
meditate I feel something like a very hot beam of light that goes
through my upper torso, what is that?
Another thing, during different times of my life I can hear a whole
jumble of people speaking in my ear but cannot make anything out. And I
also sometimes hear drums beating in a kind of ancient rythm.
Don't know what else to say right now. I hope to make some friends
here. I have recently moved to a new city, and purchased a country
property so it gets kind of lonely!
I am very interested in reaching my inner self and would really like to
learn how.
Love Tammy
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 17:43:39 -0500
From: John Lounsberry <berryATnospamcnwl.igs.net>
To: Michael Bradford <mbradforATnospamstn.net>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: KA and Half-Baked Theology Part II
Message-ID: <34C2859B.1A91ATnospamcnwl.igs.net>
Michael Bradford wrote:
>
> Dear Fellow Seekers;
>
> In all the weighty deliberations that have been expressed
> recently in the series of e-mails that have come accross my
> electornic doorstep, I have been struck by the fact that in all
> the arguments that have been expressed so far, there seems to
> be a basic assumption being made that humanity, in its
> current exalted state, is qualified to make categoric statements
> about the ultimate nature of reality.
>
> This is an assumption that is commonly made by many of
> the proponents of both religion and science, probably due to
> the fact that we simply are unable to comprehend any form of
> consciousness much more advanced than our own. This view
> undoubtedly came into being long ago, but the recent
> advances in our knowledge and understanding of evolution
> and the scope of the universe should give us cause to seriously
> question this assumption.
>
> Since life began to emerge on this planet some hundreds of
> millions of years ago, there has been a definite but
> unmistakable trend towards more complex forms of life, with
> more and more advanced brains and nervous systems. Thus,
> we see the progression from rudimentary life forms, to single
> celled organisms, to simple plants, to lower order animals, to
> reptiles, then mammals, and finally to the higher order
> primates such as ourselves.
>
> But unless this very prominent trend in evolution has now
> come to a screeching halt (and I do not see any reason to
> suppose that it has), there is no reason whatsoever to suppose
> that life will not evolve as far from our current level as we are
> from, say, a microbe. It is totally beyond our comprehension
> what forms of sensory and mental perception will eventually
> develop as we evolve further and further, but there can be no
> doubt that our understanding of what 'reality' is will undergo
> radical revisions as evolution continues beyond our present
> intellectually oriented state.
>
> The current estimates are that the universe has about 10 to
> the 22nd power stars in it. This is, to put it another way,
> 10,000 million million million stars. Just to count these stars,
> at a rate of about one per second, would take about 10,000
> times longer than science currently estimates the universe to
> have been in existence! Whatever be the nature of the Power
> that has brought this unimaginably vast creation into
> existence, it is certainly far beyond our human form, and I
> would seriously question whether we have reached a stage of
> evolution advanced enough to in any way comprehend it.
>
> So to be quite honest, when I hear arguments being made
> concerning the true nature of the Supreme, or about the
> ultimate nature of reality, I question whether, at the current
> state of our evolution, any kind of categoric opinion can be
> put forward without serious qualification. We would laugh at
> the idea of two ants debating about how the Empire State
> building came into existence, but isn't this somewhat
> analogous to our current ideas concerning the Ultimate?
>
> The history of human thought since civilization began has
> been characterized by one major revision after another in
> almost every sphere of knowledge. Why should this trend not
> continue? It is comforting to our egos to think that we are
> just one step removed from the Ultimate, and can truly
> understand, with just a little bit of thought and reasoning, its
> nature, purposes, and methods. But there is simply no reason
> whatsoever to suppose that this is the case. Perhaps a more
> realistic approach would be to regard our current ideas and
> opinions as tentative at best, and to avoid making any kind of
> categoric statement about the nature of the Ultimate. Such a
> step necessitates a flexibility in our belief structures, but is
> ultimately, I think, more productive as it leaves us more open
> to new ideas.
>
> Sincerely;
>
> Michael Bradford
E-MAIL<berryATnospamcnwl.igs.net>FROM JOHN LOUNSBERRY
Hi Michael:
I believe you have put a very realistic view of our
consciousness evolution.
Just to continue in your chain of thought. Lets look
at points of reference that we can more easily relate to.
Lets look at our time line of the evolution of technology
putting all of mans existence on this planet in a 1 year calendar.
In the last 3 seconds of that year mankind invents the
computer. At our present rate of technical growth which is
logarithmic who could accurately predict where we will be 1000
years from now little alone 10 years. Even our great gurus of
science only speculate. So where could we be in our consciousness
evolution in the next 100 years. The Kundalini is an active part of
this evolution of consciousness.
Imagine in our great universe other civilizations who
are millions of years older then ours, where would they be in the
consciousness evolution chart. We would probably treat them like
God, (the thought of this only creates more debate.)
For us to understand the ultimate nature of reality, I do
not
believe there is an ultimate, just another step.
To comprehend any form of consciousness is like asking
Christopher Columbus for a report about the new world before his
departure. My personal feeling even though our journey is toward
the light, it unfamiliar, solitary and even in the dark groping for
points of reference.
Sharing ideas to help make this journey more in the light and less
solitary. John Lounsberry in Canada.
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 17:50:25 EST
From: SchrLL <SchrLLATnospamaol.com>
To: martATnospamidsc.gov.eg
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Right & left...
Message-ID: <e0f85ba.34c28733ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-01-17 00:00:19 EST, you write:
>
> When one speaks of right hand being positive(active?) and left hand
> being negative(passive?), does this have to do with whichever hand is
> domininant in the individual? Meaning, in a lefty is the left hand
> postive?
>
ATnospam->->--
This can be optional according to what is comfortable for you. The main thing
is to establish which side means + and which side --. This must be consistent
to work. It is a binary code. Love and LIght, Linda
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 12:55:52 -1000
From: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: God's breath
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Gene says: >>Dr. Hawking intuitively believes
that the Universe will eventually collapse; other eminent scientists
intuitively believe the universe will expand forever. The scientific
data are not yet final.>>
All will be revealed when God takes HER next breath!
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 15:46:26 PST
From: "Susan Carlson" <divine_goddessATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: re:ghosts portals was rope, water..
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Sharon writes:
As Susan pointed out, "intent is everything." Whether or not we
presume to do something like this as a group effort or to work as
individuals, I think we need to examine our motives. We need to ask
ourselves whether we do this to rid the world of undesirables because we
are uncomfortable with them around or whether we do this to help another
conscious being, even if this being could be labeled dark or evil.
SC:
There is no undesireable beings in my eyes, and for me dark or evil is a
different way of seeing, a different level of frequency of light.
Namaste practice for me, seeing the divine in everyone, also includes
those without corporeal form. I have come to this belief system by
asking myself those very same questions you pose above. That may make me
a Pollyanna or someone who appears naive...and an innocent heart is a
powerful tool.
SW:
I have a little trouble with the idea that it's "cool" to work
as a group with the victims of various holocausts.
SC:
To me it is way cool. I do not confuse my 'Light'heartedness with a
lack of seriousness. An Italian saint once said, 'Leave sadness to those
in the world. We who work for God should be Lighthearted.' As
Yogananda's teacher said, 'God is evernew joy.' An opportunity to be of
service in this way to me is very cool and fills my heart with bliss.
And I am only proposing volunteers for service...
SW:
If we do this, I think it's necessary to realize that this should not
be a game or a simple pastime to do until we tire of it. We need to ask
ourselves if we would pass the care of feeding of our own soul to
another human who is titillated by using it as a pawn in a game. I feel
that this is sacred work and that it should be approached in that way.
SC:
Honestly,Sharon...do you think anybody on this list thinks of this as a
parlor game or a power trip? May be but I doubt it. :) And of course
just to be on the safe side...those who do....mighty karma will be
coming down the road to smack ya up the side of the head if your heart
and intent is not clean and clear.
Sacred to me is my whole life is sacred. Whatever I do, whatever I
think, whatever I feel, the whole process of my life and journey is
sacred. There is no separation in my life between the sacred and the
mundane when I walk in awareness. All ground I walk upon is holy
ground.
SW:
The portal idea works, but disguising a place of light with
darkness in order to lure a being toward it, may be far from a
kindness. I was taught by a shaman that when it comes to escorting or
sending a being away from its earth-bound state, whether that being
"possesses" a body or whether it is simply lost and earthbound, that it
does no good to simply send it to the light. If the being were able to
bear the light, then it would have gone there to begin with. More often
than not if its discomfort level is extreme, it will simply return. The
idea, he said, is to send it to a "safe dark place where it will receive
the care it needs." The implication is that it is best to send these
lost souls to a transitional place from which
they can evolve at their own pace.
SC:
My personal belief system which comes out of the Ho'oponopono training I
received it that I can perform a ritual that releases earth bound
spirits. I do not grab these beings by the scruff of the neck like some
astral bouncer and toss them kicking and screaming into the light
(chuckle) and also I dont think disguises are necessary either. I
actually create a place where they are 'released to the *path* of pure
Light'...a gentle process.
I have found in doing this process for about 7 years now...word has gone
out on the astral plane that I can open (poor word) a door for
transition to another level. So when I am doing Ho'oponopono for myself
or for whatever reason, I have some astral 'stowaways' who catch hold of
the energy for their own releasing.
My Kahuna friend was explicit in doing these rituals with permission. He
and my other teacher told me, doing these rituals without permission,
would mean i would take their karma upon myself. No thank you...i am
pretty lazy on working out my own karma...dont need anybody else's on
top of it.
So in my perception, creating a portal, creates an opportunity for those
to make their transitions as they are able. Good thing there is free
will and I respect that. And how will they know if we dont tell them or
show them an opportunity?
That's why this work is for people who possess discernment as I said in
my previous post. And it can be a joyous process for the giver and the
receiver. For me it is Seva, a sanskrit word meaning selfless
service;work offerred unto God or to the spiritual Master, performed
with love and without concern for its benefits.
On a personal note, the Ho'oponopono processes I do causes K to shiver
my body in bliss.
Much Love,
Susan
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Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 23:41:50 GMT
From: sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net (Jack)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Broadcast
Message-ID: <34c5933b.39764125ATnospammailhost.worldnet.att.net>
What I am saying is that inasmuch as we cannot yet scientifically
verify what you see in your dreams, or what others see in their
visions, or hear when they talk with God, or some spiritual beings,
they do not advance the cause of scientific understanding.
Think again. Mine are already on file. And I find out tonite if the
first one is valid.
misc.predictions.registry
Your visions are personal visions, not universal information that
can be transmitted to the world stage. . . . not unless you write it
down, print it, and mail it to some scientific journal.
Exactly. : )>
Jack
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 18:58:24 -0500
From: Teresa <TGarlandATnospamVIPMail.com>
To: Gene Kieffer <gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com>
CC: Afperry <AfperryATnospamaol.com>, heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com,
kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, shalomATnospamcheerful.com, DonBBensonATnospamaol.com,
lodpressATnospamintercomm.com
Subject: Running in Circles
Message-ID: <34C2971F.59D93513ATnospamVIPMail.com>
Unlike evolution, the conversation on scientific research, scientific method, etc,
etc, has been going in circles for quite a while. One can only hope that it loses
just enough energy to leave its path, spiral in and come to a halt.
Just as some of you on these lists have questioned some of the spiritual and
historical facts in this conversation, I question the scientific ones. Some of the
things that have been claimed in the name of science in these conversations are
absurd. But let's leave that aside.
Proving something scientifically is not the powerful cure-all we would like it to
be. Modern science is still an immature field. It has many imperfections, and is
still busy trying to understand its own foundations. The science community does
not care about studies done by spiritual foundations. For example, the Maharishi
institute has published a number of interesting papers on meditation that have been
completely ignored. That's not good, it's not bad, it just is. Everything in its
time.
Before Gene tries to fund studies to prove the incredible things he proposes, I
suggest he remember that he will be in "Rome" and to get anywhere at all will need
to do as the Romans do. This means picking very small, very simple, well defined
topics, and coming to very small incremental conclusions. And he should be
prepared to spend years doing the sort of careful research that the scientific
community accepts as valid. Otherwise he wastes his time and money.
Been there.
Teresa
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 19:44:38 EST
From: SchrLL <SchrLLATnospamaol.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Ear Ringing Poll, 13 so far
Message-ID: <d97101d.34c2a1f8ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-01-18 18:44:26 EST, you write:
>
> Lots of responses coming in. This does seem to be an phenopmenon many of us
> are experiencing. For me when it first started, it was one VERY loud one
> in
> the middle of my head. After that it was right or left or inbetween. After
I
> gave it a right/left, yin/yang, + / - , positive/negative designation, I
> found
> I could use it as what I call bio-language.
> I made notes and looked for patterns. It is NOT TINTINITIS!
> Example of how I used it once.;
> While driving, my left ear rang. I then became aware that something was
> amiss.
> I looked around and into my rear view mirror. I had passed a detour sign
and
> had not even been conscious of seeing it. Something within me did see it
and
> thus the left ear ring. I was saved miles of driving. This is only a simple
> illustration. I have many more stories to tell.
> But I want to hear your stories. Give it a try and tell us all how or if
> this
> is working for you.
> Love and Light, Linda
>
>
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 20:14:46 EST
From: SchrLL <SchrLLATnospamaol.com>
To: ATnospamglobal.co.za
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: EAR RINGING - and sleep.
Message-ID: <f4288752.34c2a909ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-01-18 16:46:38 EST, you write:
>.... past years have been practicing allowing myself to enter sleep
consciously from
> waking state. point i'm interested in is that at some point during this
> conscious "dissociation" into sleep just before actual clear dream images
> begin you get a gradual increase in intensity of that ear ringing or
> sometimes a "hiss" if you carry onwards past this point at some stage you
> get sudden bursts
ATnospam->->--
I have actually had my ear ring so intensly and in successive bursts, that I
could only assume I was suppposed to wake up, since it woke me up. My dream
material at the time was such that it was probably just as well. I learned to
trust this 'assistance' and learned something about how to avoid those astral
projectors who were entering uninvited into my psyche. Linda
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 17:15:36 PST
From: "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com>
To: peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in
Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: understanding
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>On Mon, 12 Jan 1998, Harsha1MTM wrote:
>
>> In a message dated 98-01-12 01:08:20 EST,
peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in writes:
>>
>> Peshwani wrote<< Moksh is going back to Shiva.
>> Nirvan is going ahead to Shakti. Moksh is what Harsha is slowly and
>> blissfully getting from Ramana Maharishi. Nirvan is what Shahanshah
is
>> slowly and surely getting thro pain and samta.
>>Harsha wrote:
>> difficult for me to critique anyone knowing they are in pain so now
if you...*** Gloria Lee adds here... "me, too"...
>DEAR Peswani, I also am sorry to have appeared to be joking or as
against you, but as you honestly first seemed to just sound to me as one
bragging from ego.. And I made this error of not hearing you were
shouting from joy...This is my fault.. and also a desire to be silly and
joke.. and then I go on to saying why must you ask Harsha for approval??
Well, this shows the error of hasty opinions... and I hope you will find
in your heart to understand and forgive me...but more important..PLEASE,
do not let my mistakes cause you to feel that you cannot post your
opinions and thoughts to this list !!! You have already taught
much..perhaps even unknown to you.. so please do continue to speak to
the list..ok?? And now I can hear more from you as a human also
struggling to understand and having some pain... so I am very sorry for
being unkind to you. This is not excusing..but sometimes just having
words to read here... and I forget that the language style is perhaps
very different for you, too. So, it is hard to see and feel the person
behind them.. and were we to meet in person, I am sure I would see your
kind eyes and smile.. and words would not matter. Thank you for
listening...
Gloria Lee
This next part of your message touched my heart very much.
****************
> I HAD THEN TO ACCEPT THAT ALL ARE ONE. I ALONE CANNOT HAVE BLISS
>WHEN THEIR IS DUKKHA OR PAIN ALROUND. AND EVERY DAY MANY TIMES I SEE
THIS
>PAIN FLOWING IN AROUND ME. THIS IS NOT A MOMENTARY EXPERIENCE.THIS IS
>REALITY.
> LOVE AND ONENESS ARE NO MORE WORDS FOR ME THEY ARE ME. HARSHA YOU
>ARE ME AND I AM YOU.
> All my intellect tells me to accept Moksh and instant bliss, but
>it is not in my hands. A Buddha has to come and bless me till then I
have
>to walk on this path of Bodhisattva alone and in pain but with SAMTA
>
>
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Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 20:22:36 -0500
From: Louis Conjar <lconjarATnospamerols.com>
To: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
CC: Gene Kieffer <gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com>, heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com,
kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: HRTZEN: "Conversatins"
Message-ID: <34C2AADC.6892ATnospamerols.com>
Ann Morrison Fisher wrote:
>
> Gene wrote:
> >
> > Dear Anita,
> >
> > I don't know what Neal's views on sex are, but I understand that....
>
> Does this mean that you haven't even read the book that you expressed the
> folowing opinions about?
>
> > Earlier, you had called Walsch's book, "Communications With God," which
> >threw me off, because I was well aware of "Conversations With God."
> >
> > Frankly, I would not put any trust in the book. It just either
> >"channeling" or mostly, as you imply, rewritting of what has been
> >said interminably over the past three or four decades.
> >
> > My question is, do you think anyone will remember Neal Walsch's
> >book ten years from now? Or five years from now?...
> >
> > There are a lot of good inspirational books on the market, but
> >I would not place "Conversations With God" among them. That, again,
> >is just one person's opinion.
Lou here: I would just like to put in my two cents worth here. There are
countless books available which discuss spiritual/philosopical belief
systems and I have a personal library full of them. There are not that
many that I have found to be especially useful in guiding us to the
truth about ourselves and in helping mankind, especially those who have
been raised in the western world, to see practical ways to assist in the
evolution of the race.
I have found "Conversations with God" both books 1 and 2, to be very
useful in helping to provide a more loving model of our relationship to
God and each other. I am not saying that I agree with all the material
in the books. However, I believe that if you substitute the soul level
of consciousness for the ego level in its teachings, there is much to be
learned from, or at least to be stimulated into deeper thought by, the
"teachings" in these books. When I substitute the soul level of self for
the ego level, there is much that I find consistent with information
that I have received from my inner self and observed throughout my
Kundalini process. IMHO, these books have enough spiritual "meat" in
them to help a lot of people. Frankly, I did not expect to see this
particular set of books to be so criticized on this list. I am curious
as to whether anyone else here finds them to be of so little value.
--
Louis Conjar - Dynamic Expansion Institute, Inc.
"All Your Spiritual and Financial Needs In One Place"
lconjarATnospamerols.com - http://www.deimarket.com
410-385-9500 - fax 410-654-9587
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