1998/01/17  08:14  
 kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #51 
  
kundalini-l-d Digest				Volume 98 : Issue 51
 
Today's Topics: 
  Re: Gopi Krishna                      [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ] 
  Re: signs of chakra?                  [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ] 
  Right & left...                       [ mart <martATnospamidsc.gov.eg> ] 
  Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #49      [ sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net (Jack) ] 
  Responders on KA-THEOLOGY-GOD-FEELIN  [ anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities. ] 
  Re: just a babbling brook as my grad  [ tgxxxATnospamjuno.com (tg langston) ] 
  Re: Disaster                          [ acarre <acarreATnospamconcentric.net> ] 
  Re: Unidentified subject! -Reply      [ mraft <at3ATnospamearthlink.net> ] 
  Re: signs of love                     [ "Adrienne Hollander" <adrienne45ATnospamho ] 
  Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #49      [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistres ] 
  Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #49      [ sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net (Jack) ] 
  Re: just a babbling brook as my grad  [ hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com (Holly N. Ba ] 
  blushing crows                        [ "Susan Carlson" <divine_goddessATnospamhot ] 
  DIRECTION                             [ Gene Kieffer <gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com> ] 
  Re: just a babbling brook as my grad  [ jeannegATnospamicon.net (Jeanne Garner) ] 
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 19:58:09 +0100 
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com> 
To: John Lounsberry <berryATnospamcnwl.igs.net> 
CC: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com 
Subject: Re: Gopi Krishna 
Message-ID: <34BFADC0.4761ATnospamintercomm.com> 
 
John Lounsberry wrote: 
>  
> E-MAIL<berryATnospamcnwl.igs.net>FROM JOHN LOUNSBERRY 
>
 
>             In some of my other posts I have talked about how 
> Kundalini has controlled my life and has moved to my heart chakra 
> in August.   Even before this natural Disaster my life was being 
> rearranged by other forces then my own.   One gift I received was 
> a heightened sense of awareness and the events I was prepared for. 
>              I was able to take the time to help my neighbors. 
> Gene has reminded me of the book , THE SHAPE OF EVENTS 
> TO COME,   By Gopi Krishna and that the possibility of disasters 
> are real.   This event has been a great education.    Incredibly at this 
> point in my life, an awakening of what might be. 
>  
>  John in Canada                                (please reply back)
 
I replied back earlier and my post would not go, I am going to try again 
just to see if it will work this time. I will write more if it does. 
Gloria
 
-- 
 
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.  
Gloria Joy Greco  
 e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at: 
http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/ 
&  
http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/ 
Hope you enjoy them! 
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 20:01:08 +0100 
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com> 
To: Mike Stickles <msticklesATnospamantalys.com> 
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: signs of chakra? 
Message-ID: <34BFAE72.72E7ATnospamintercomm.com> 
 
Mike Stickles wrote: 
>  
> Gloria, 
>  
> Thanks for your reply, I'd completely forgotten about the idea of making 
> daily life a continuous "awareness meditation". That resonated with me 
> as soon as I read it, and has application beyond just diagnosing the 
> throat chakra.
 
Yes, Mike, it is very important. Because it is really in the awareness 
and consciousness that the real changes occur, so while kundalini may be 
an ongoing experience, it is really applying knowledge through 
detachment and being that witness that the transformation comes.  
>  
> - Mike
 
-- 
 
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.  
Gloria Joy Greco  
 e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at: 
http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/ 
&  
http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/ 
Hope you enjoy them! 
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 06:59:35 +0200 
From: mart <martATnospamidsc.gov.eg> 
To: "kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com> 
Subject: Right & left... 
Message-ID: <34C03AB7.B545226AATnospamidsc.gov.eg> 
 
People, and I use the term loosely, (that was in jest)
 
When one speaks of right hand being positive(active?) and left hand 
being negative(passive?), does this have to do with whichever hand is 
domininant in the individual? Meaning, in a lefty is the left hand 
postive?
 
Also, depending on your response to the above question, what would be 
the situation for those who had a natural predisposition to be a lefty, 
but as a result of being raised during a time when mothers were told to 
'change' the child to right handedness? Would the victims of this 
childhood still have a left positive inspite of an assumed right 
handedness. (I believe that when one is right handed, but has a dominant 
left eye and exibits ambidexterous abilities, that person may have had 
their natural tendencies 'toyed with'...)
 
Thanks in advance 
Fran 
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 05:06:09 GMT 
From: sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net (Jack) 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #49 
Message-ID: <34c23bd8.29763404ATnospammailhost.worldnet.att.net> 
 
methinks crows can not blush...
 
Only when they're around Mystress.   : )>
 
Jack 
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 21:41:55 -0800 
From: anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com> 
To: "kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>, 
 "heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com" <heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com> 
Subject: Responders on KA-THEOLOGY-GOD-FEELINGS 
Message-ID: <34C0449A.DDCE6DACATnospamgeocities.com> 
 
to Ruth, Gloria G, Gloria L, Don Benson, Davod Bozzi, Ann Morrison 
Fisher, Rita G, Amy C, Holly Barrett,  and all those who may have 
responded to the above threads, I offer my sincerest thanks for their 
views, which were all illuminating and extremely thought provoking.
 
For the last two days , due to my involvement in other areas of my life, 
I was not able to read all the responses till today. 
Thanks to one an all. It also reminds this very moment of the most 
erudite exposition rendered by Mike Bradford., very pragmatic.and 
poignant. 
I am sorry if I have offended anyone, as I am sometimes, under this 
inexplicable force, which takes over to automatic writing, not able to 
stop. 
In spite of it all, I do have the strong belief, that the discussion did 
also encourage some thinking on the part of those who responded and also 
those who read it.
 
Thanks again to all,
 
Anandajyoti 
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/6782 
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 01:24:13 -0500 
From: tgxxxATnospamjuno.com (tg langston) 
To: iriATnospamivyrealty.com 
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: just a babbling brook as my grade 8 art teacher would say 
Message-ID: <19980117.012439.21246.2.tgxxxATnospamjuno.com>
 
On Fri, 16 Jan 1998 17:08:54 -0800 iri <iriATnospamivyrealty.com> writes:
 
>My K energy must be low..I feel drained...tired...headache. 
<snip>....->My spouse was sick recently.. <snip>.... for some unknown 
reason, this >time it 
>brought tears to my eyes and today... <snip>>I received a phone call 
from a client today...her sister, after >suffering>from cancer for the 
last five years, died today...>> <snip>.....>That's life in the physical 
realm...>> (and it goes on with more of the same) 
>So I ask you, does Kundalini play a part in all this? And if so, how  
>does it>work exactly?. Then the sadness will  I feel sad today. >>
 
You speak of many things that are happening in your life, not all of 
which you seem to be happy with -- that is the bad news.   There is only 
one problem though, and that is separation.... a disconnection you feel 
from God -- it comes in many forms, but the bottom line is fear.    And 
the one answer is your Source.  The good news is, is that you already are 
reconnected!  You never left.... 
 
It looks as if you have many internal and external changes occurring in 
your life now.  Sometimes when we are not quite ready to making the shift 
fully  internally, changes seem to be made externally, and some may seem 
chaotic.  The internal changes causes us to be in conflict, out of 
peace... separated.   When you can be at peace with your internal 
changes,  then your world will become the outward reflection of your 
inward world.  
 
To be at peace with oursSelves, we must reflect oneness inside.  What 
does that mean?  Well, you can do the cosmic consciousness thing if you 
are able.  But for some of us here, it is merely a matter of accepting 
what you are feeling, understanding that you do not know what anything 
means, and allowing that acceptance to form your separated self into One. 
 When what you have dissociated with is accepted, it stops being fearful 
- what disappears in light cannot be attacked.   Merely  being what it 
is, Truth releases you from everything it is not. 
 
When you said:  << I feel sad today. I think that means another person 
whom >i>know (idrectly or indirectly) will die soon>>.... <snip>
 
You have spoken your belief for that situation - a belief, not truth.  
What you believe you WILL see.  That thought would create a conflict 
within yourself (I would think it would), and could therefore be 
projected outwards because of the conflict.  Ok, so what?  You feel sad?  
I don't know what that means any more than you do.  I can label it 
something else, as you did, and your mind can accept one of them if you 
like.  Allow your God Source to be your guide. You did your best thinking 
to get where you are at.  Now back off!  
 
As for the phenomenon in your life happening... name it what you will.  
That doesn't make it truth.  The Truth is that neither you nor me nor 
anyone else knows what is happening or knows what it is.  Accept it.  Be 
one with it.  If you are conflicted about it, understand that you are 
feeling separated, and again, change your mind/your thoughts to reflect 
oneness inside -- change your mind and you literally change your world, 
internally and externally.  
 
Changes in our life are bound to occur when our internal is off-whack, or 
so we think is off.  Be sad, be happy, be confused, be restless, 
whatever... if the emotions seem to be coming from inside or outside, 
accept them for what they are -- and what they are, you nor I have any 
idea.  Allow the Universe/God to come in and fill that empty space for 
you.   I, personally, like to see everything as a blessing or a blessing 
in disquise.  I don't know what the blessing is, but it is always a joy 
when it comes about.  What you believe, is what you perceive, so if you 
are going to have any kind of beliefs, get some that create joy in your 
life.  
 
>unexplained phenomenon, unexplained sadness preceeded by illness and 
>followed by death...the unexplained is intriguing and difficult to 
>comprehend...are these events causing my tiredness and draining my  
>energy? 
 
I should say so!  .....  fear, death, illness, drained energy = 
separation.  When your mind and thoughts are One instead of separated and 
conflicted, these things will drop like a hot potatoe.  No one can do it 
for you.  We are responsible for our thoughts.  So you can observe them, 
with no judgement, or you can change them to reflect a Oneness.  It 
doesn't really matter. 
 
You are going through some mighty changes now.  And you will come to see 
that all changes are always helpful.  Maybe you can't see it now, but you 
will.  Enjoy the ride, and allow the understanding of it all to come to 
you, rather than vice versa.  Take care.... my thoughts and love are with 
you.
 
xxxtg
 
* It's always darkest just before I open my eyes *
 
http://members.aol.com/Teeegeee/tgsplace.html   <~~~~~~ on the web now 
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 05:10:47 -0500 
From: acarre <acarreATnospamconcentric.net> 
To: "Mailing list (Kundalini)" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: Re: Disaster 
Message-ID: <34C083A5.A419D779ATnospamconcentric.net> 
 
Hello to all,
 
I have had some feed back from people thinking 
that i may of thought by this post i felt 
responsible in a way for the ice storm that 
happened around Montreal region. My bad English 
may have lead to that... So let me clarify what i 
meant.
 
Just wanted to clarify things.
 
acarre wrote:
 
> I felt that way also, feeling certain that we 
> where going to get whacked. Being in Montreal, 
> and 
> electrical engineer, i could see that happening 
> to 
> us before it did, in every details. Was only a 
> matter of time.
 
I should of added with the winters in montreal and 
having studied the electrical system and the 
dependency of our society on electricity as 
primary source regulating any other form of 
heating (gas, oil, etc...). I could clearly see 
the types of weather conditions that could crush 
us. And i could also see ways how only a group of 
100 of not so very well organized terrorist could 
knock out all the US or Canada or both to a total 
blackout, for weeks and months. . (So easy, but i 
wont say how, already i feel uncomfortable by just 
putting this idea in the air :-) It's only a 
matter of time if we don't start building 
electrical whirring systems, in another way, cost 
a bit more, but makes them more reliable, and 
mostly less fragile.
 
At least it is what the governement is starting to 
consider very seriously here in Canada. But it 
took about 1,000,000 people in total black out for 
more than 2 weeks and almost 4 million people with 
no electricity for 7 days, to start applying 
simple principles of networking.
 
> But after sitting in the cold, temperature 
> around 
> 35 F in the house after 7 days. I was deeply 
> saying to myself did i call to on me and others, 
> 
> did i plan this? Did my wanting to see the 
> disaster i was feeling coming did not call it 
> more 
> on me?
 
Yes it's a bit scary to see a scenario, you had 
plan, behing realized and you behing cough in it. 
Does not mean i really tough it append because of 
me.
 
The last sentence is a bit trickier, i used short 
sentenced and did not go all the way to express 
what i meant. What i meant said in another way is 
that we have the propensity to see a glass of 
water half empty or half full. Looking at what was 
and is appening here with a half empty attitude 
can only make things worst. Looking at things 
before they append by the electrical company and 
the government with a half full attitude only made 
things worst, for they did not prepare as much as 
they could.
 
Some people simply learn to drink the water of the 
glass instead of thinking about it. That event in 
montreal helped me to do that about those issues 
stated. Acting in the moment, as it is, as you 
perceive it, with your best of abilities is the 
best one can do. IMHO.
 
> Gene when you say " I feel fairly certain that 
> we'll all get whacked in the months and years 
> ahead, one way or another." Please watch out for 
> 
> what you wish.
 
In other words don't keep just the half empty 
attitude, stay open...
 
Humbly
 
Antoine
 
-- 
May the God of light grant to us sight! May the 
heavenly peaks grant to us sight! May God the 
creator grant to us sight! Give sight to our eyes 
and sight to our bodies that we may see. May we 
see the world at a single glance and in all its 
details.
 
Rig Veda 10.158.3-4, Vedic Experience p. 340-341 
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 02:45:37 -0800 
From: mraft <at3ATnospamearthlink.net> 
To: watrfallATnospamniagara.com 
CC: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>, 
 Barbara Millikan <millikanATnospampnn.com>, 
 Max Herrington <mherringtonATnospambcbsal.org>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! -Reply 
Message-ID: <34C08BD0.CB5EFDBCATnospamearthlink.net> 
 
Nancy Eckert wrote: 
>  
> Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote: 
>  
> >   I am feeling reluctant to explain it in much more detail, in this 
> > cyberspace... for several reasons.. we have some underage members here... 
> > and being so careful in my language is exhausting. 
>  
> Well done! 
> ...and I was going to commend you on explaining things, oh so delicately 
> :) 
> I remember when everyone got upset before about subject matter. 
> I just find it hard not to associate or to disassociate k energy from 
> sexual energy. 
> Everything seems to be so combined... 
> I even use sexual energy when I do healing work... it's so very 
> powerful. People really feel the difference when you bring it in. 
> Maybe if we just keep it very tactful that would be alright with most. 
>  
> namaste 
> Nancy
 
As someone who spent many years living in a contemplative community, I can say 
with the utmost certainty that meditation and sex go hand and hand. In fact, 
the community I lived in erupted and then was torn apart when it was found the 
spiritual leader was sleeping with his female students. I'm sure we all know 
the stories--where hasn't this scenario occurred? Meditation releases powerful 
sexual energies and some people have no training or defense against working 
with it, so they give in to it and begin some secretive sex life because, 
perhaps, the culture they were brought up in taught them something ot the 
effect that, "my sex life is my own private business". Not really, because 
when your the head honcho of a spiritual community it doesn't take long before 
someone else knows. Then it becomes your sex life is your own private business until... 
Anyway, what brought this to mind was Nancy's post about how you can't 
separate k-energy from sexual engery, and I definitely concur, you can't, but 
this is very delicate territory and and balance needs to be established?
 
Mike 
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 13:15:32 GMT 
From: "Adrienne Hollander" <adrienne45ATnospamhotmail.com> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, fredaATnospamblarg.net 
Subject: Re: signs of love 
Message-ID: <19980117131532.18184.qmailATnospamhotmail.com> 
Content-Type: text/plain
 
Dear Freda, Tom, Gloria, Schorr, SHAHAHAAH, Harsha, Bev, or whomever,
 
I wanted to say good-bye and God Bless to all of you on this list. It's  
been interesting for me the last couple of months to read your postings  
and to reflect on them.  It's also brought some changes to my thinking  
and attitudes, which is all to the good. However, it's time for me to  
attend to my inner stirrings and do more of my own inner work and less  
reading of what others are doing. As the saying goes, to get off the pot  
and on with it... that is living.
 
I do have a couple of parting observations for you all. Hear them if you  
wish, if not, fine.
 
You all are too much in the head and not enough in the heart.  My best  
advise to you is ... work on the feeling level and then maybe you will  
enjoy more success in relationships.  You are all very gifted writers  
and should collaborate to produce a book,  but only after you develop  
some feeling for yourselves and others.  Only then will your words  
reflect a true gift or genius that will deeply touch others.  Best of  
luck and I hope you all find what it is you are seeking.  Adrienne
 
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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 06:57:14 
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com> 
To: iri <iriATnospamivyrealty.com> 
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com 
Subject: Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #49 
Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19980117065714.3a17346eATnospamdomin8rex.com> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
 
  OK: A lesson.. with diagrams.  
  This is a lingam. <==3 
  This is a yoni. (^) 
  They fit together thusly: (^)<==3 
  But put a condom on the lingam, first.  
  Or.. for more advanced seekers.. 
 
  Take one erect lingam, attatched to one spiritual seeker.  
  Tie 16 feet of cotton clothesline round it, not too tight, smoothly in a 
spiral.  
  Tie the rope ends neatly, leaving a few feet for a handle.  
  Pull on the handle, gently, but firmly while challenging the seeker to 
stay grounded.  
  This will be quite difficult for the seeker, because they will be dealing 
with deep rooted fears of lingam loss. Support them with your energy. Don't 
tug too hard or sharply. The lesson is about trust, so be careful not to 
manifest thier fears... 
  If the seeker can not only remain grounded, but get into the witness 
state, and  discover and name all of their guardian angels, they pass the 
initiation.  
  If the lingam shrivels up so the rope falls off, they don't pass. They 
must practice, meditate, and come back and try again next month.  
    Blessings, Mystress. 
 
At 17:37 16/01/98 -0800, iri wrote: 
>---------- 
>beats me as to what is a lingam...so, Dear Mystress Angelique, do tell the 
>ignorant ones among us, please, so that we may follow your conversational 
>thread...Thank You in advance for the vocabulary education we are about to 
>receive... 
> 
> 
>
 
Mystress Angelique Serpent,  
  Dominant Experiential Facilitator. 
Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent 
      :D   ;)  :0   :)   ;P   :0   ;)   :D   :0   :)  ;P  :0  ;)  :)     
    Common sense and a sense of humor are the same thing, moving at  
   different speeds. A sense of humor is just common sense, dancing. 
   -- Clive James  
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
 Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Officially the most beautiful city in the world. 
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 14:05:50 GMT 
From: sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net (Jack) 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #49 
Message-ID: <34c7ba7f.62191264ATnospammailhost.worldnet.att.net> 
 
 Tie 16 feet of cotton clothesline round it, not too tight, smoothly 
in a spiral. 
 
Gee, I don't know, Is 16 ft. enough ?   : )>
 
Jack 
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 08:41:55 -0600 (CST) 
From: hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com (Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D.) 
To: iri <iriATnospamivyrealty.com> 
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: just a babbling brook as my grade 8 art teacher would say 
Message-Id: <199801171441.IAA14501ATnospamdfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com>
 
Dear, dear iri, your post moved me very much.  Within a couple of  
years, my mother died, my best friend died, my husband left me and many  
of my belongings were destroyed by the Northridge quake.  Subsequently,  
I gave up my house and my practice.  Much like Job, I railed at God a  
lot because I felt I just couldn't stand any more loss.  I finally got  
that I was being asked to really, really surrender, something I feel I  
am only beginning to learn how to do.  Most of all, I have to surrender  
my need to understand everything.  I have days when I feel very heavy,  
as you do.  I now know that, as tg wrote, this means I have separated  
from God.  On the other days, I know happiness that I haven't felt  
since I was a child and the whole world was enchanted.  This process is  
progressive and intelligent, even if we don't feel that way sometimes.   
Love, Holly 
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 06:54:07 PST 
From: "Susan Carlson" <divine_goddessATnospamhotmail.com> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com 
Subject: blushing crows 
Message-ID: <19980117145407.26326.qmailATnospamhotmail.com> 
Content-Type: text/plain
 
Hmmmm....Have you ever heard the song: 'Bette Davis Eyes'...from the  
'80s era.  I think it was sung by Kim Carnes.
 
nice choice to describe Angelique...the sensuality of the song fits her.
 
Knowing her now, for as long as I have, i have picked up attitudes and  
ways to make crows blush too. I thank her for that.
 
Blessings, 
Susan
 
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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 09:47:47 -0500 (EST) 
From: Gene Kieffer <gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com> 
To: acarreATnospamconcentric.net 
Cc: heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com, serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com, 
 kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, shalomATnospamcheerful.com, DonBBensonATnospamaol.com 
Subject: DIRECTION 
Message-Id: <199801171447.JAA22917ATnospamdavinci.netaxis.COM> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
 
Antoine Acarre wrote:
 
>Can you really be sure, we are headed in the wrong 
>direction? Is it the wrong direction for your 
>system of thought? Is there a right direction? 
>If we are going in the wrong direction, then 
>why hasn't Heaven forced us to change before?
 
- ------------------------------
 
Dear Antoine,
 
   As you see, I've just excerpted a paragraph from your email to 
me, in which you commented on my remarks to one of your neighbors 
who is also in "ice land"  (Quebec, Canada).
 
   The reason why I am sending my response to a larger audience 
is because you have been the first to touch upon the most important 
point (in my opinion) since our discussion on Enlightenment, 
Urdhvaretas, "Shape of Events to Come," etc., began about  
Christmastime.
 
   And that most important point has to do with the direction of 
human evolution.  Assuming that the human brain is still in a state 
of organic evolution, the next question that comes to mind is, 
"In which direction are we evolving?"
 
   If we assume that there is a Creator of the Universe, we must ask 
ourselves whether this Creator had in mind a plan for the evolution of 
His/Her creation.  Did the Creator mean for human beings to DEVOLVE? 
Or did the Creator's plan call for human beings to EVOLVE?
 
   Since most of us on the K-list believe that we have it within  
ourselves to achieve Englightenment, Cosmic Consciousness, Union with 
God, Illumination, etc., then this capacity within us must have been 
planned.  In other words, human beings must be stamped with a blueprint 
for our future evolution.
 
   If we assume that the blueprint of our future evolution is already  
stamped on our brain, and if we assume that this blueprint leads to 
Union with the Divine, or Illumination, etc., then we pretty much know 
the destiny of the human race.
 
   But along with Destiny, there is such a thing as Free Will.  So we 
have, in a small way, the capacity to choose our individual future. It's 
about like this (in my opinion).  An ant wakes up one morning and goes 
about its business, not realizing that it lives on a log that is  
floating down the Mississippi River.  The ant has free will to roam 
the log, seeking tidbits to eat, companions to converse with, etc., not 
realizing that in the larger scheme of things, it is destined to end  
up in the Mississippi Delta, and then the Gulf of Mexico, where it 
meets its fate.  So its Free Will is limited.
 
   About the same holds true for human beings. We do have free will, but 
only to a limited extent.  We can thwart the Laws of Evolution if we 
choose to do so, but then we, as a race, will stagnate, degenerate, and 
then, with the capacity to kill everybody on earth with our biological, 
chemical and nuclear weapons, end the world.
 
   If the Creator has it as part of His/Her plan that the human race 
evolve towards Union with the Divine, or Cosmic Consciousness, then 
even though the race chooses to stagnate and degenerate, the Creator 
won't permit it to do so.  It will deliver a series of hammer blows, 
or natural disastors, climate changes, wars and revolutions, to force 
the race to return to the "prescribed Path."
 
   That is pretty much what is taught in the Old Testament and in  
other Scriptures of the world.  
 
   Now we can argue about what is the right direction for our evolution 
or what is the wrong direction for our evolution, but wouldn't it be 
better, more "scientific" if we were to actually carry out an experiment 
that would answer this question?
 
   Research on Kundalini implies research on the evolutionary mechanism. 
If we do not believe that Kundalini is the evolutionary mechanism in 
human beings, then we need go no further.  But if we believe that  
Kundalini IS the mechanism of human evolution (apart from "adaptation,") 
then the only logical and sensible thing to do is promote a scientific 
investigation of Kundalini.
 
  As to your question, "Why hasn't Heaven, or the Creator, forced  
us to change direction before," all I can say is that "before" we 
didn't have the capacity to annihilate the entire human race in a 
single day.  Prior to the invention of the Bomb, etc., the race could 
only inflict small wounds upon itself, and from these it could  
recover and resume its evolutionary journey.   
 
  But now, with science and technology growing ever more powerful, 
and with the human intellect threatening to completely smother  
our intuitive capacity, our heart, the race has become lopsided. 
Something has to occur to bring the heart and the brain more in 
balance.  K-people, to a large extent, are all heart; scientists 
and scholars, to a large extent, are all intellect.  We need to 
bring the two into balance.
 
   A research project on Kundalini could help greatly to bring 
about or restore this balance.
 
   Hope this answers, in part, your questions, Antoine.  If not, let's 
carry it forward. 
 
Sincerely, 
gene 
   
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 09:09:04 -0600 
From: jeannegATnospamicon.net (Jeanne Garner) 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: just a babbling brook as my grade 8 art teacher would say 
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TG, Iri, and all,
 
>When you said:  << I feel sad today. I think that means another person 
>whom >i>know (idrectly or indirectly) will die soon>>.... <snip> 
> 
>You have spoken your belief for that situation - a belief, not truth.  
>What you believe you WILL see.  That thought would create a conflict 
>within yourself (I would think it would), and could therefore be 
>projected outwards because of the conflict.  Ok, so what?  You feel sad?  
>I don't know what that means any more than you do.  I can label it 
>something else, as you did, and your mind can accept one of them if you 
>like.  Allow your God Source to be your guide. You did your best thinking 
>to get where you are at.  Now back off!  
 
My first thought, upon reading Iri's post, was that =something is giving 
way=, not in our regular sense of death (funerals, etc.) but more like 
shedding another skin.  Sort of like in Tarot, where the Death card hardly 
ever refers to physical death, but almost always to something giving way so 
that something new can flower.  Iri, maybe your spirit is about to soar to 
new heights?
 
   Jeanne     
 ==-* My stars!
 
 
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