1998/01/12  06:58  
 kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #32 
  
kundalini-l-d Digest				Volume 98 : Issue 32
 
Today's Topics: 
  My kundalini awakened fully unknown   [ vijay kumar <vijaykumATnospamdel2.vsnl.net ] 
  Re:genuine or delusional              [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistres ] 
  Re: HRTZEN: Cameras                   [ PEGLUMPKIN <PEGLUMPKINATnospamaol.com> ] 
  Re: Spiritual Emergence               [ Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu> ] 
  Re: K and "Professional" help.        [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ] 
  Re: Spiritual Emergence               [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ] 
  Re: Mokhs vs.Nirvan                   [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ] 
  Re: Mokhs vs.Nirvan                   [ Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net. ] 
  Re: Spiritual Emergence               [ Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net. ] 
  Re: Spiritual Emergence               [ Qwartz <QwartzATnospamaol.com> ] 
  RE: K and "Professional" help.        [ jeannegATnospamicon.net (Jeanne Garner) ] 
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:50:56 -0800 
From: vijay kumar <vijaykumATnospamdel2.vsnl.net.in> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: My kundalini awakened fully unknown to me !! 
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Dear fellow members, 
I have recently joined the list. Posting what I have learnt in journey 
towards GOD. My kundalini awakened fully unknown to me !!
 
Story of my experience : 
Having "Realized-God" in 1993, I am able to - 
*  Understand the hidden truths of all scriptures of  
   all religions of the world. 
*  Talk to 'God, the Creator' every moment of my life. 
*  Know that all living beings have emanated from the  
   same source 'the Brahman'. 
*  Understand 'Gita & Upanishads as clear as abc. 
*  What are dreams ? 
*  Where does one go after death ? 
*  What is hell and heaven ? 
*  How a layman can conquer his desires. 
*  How can one by controlling his Karma take absolute 
   control of his destiny & reach to any bracket of his  
   life (from a labourer to an Emperor). 
*  Know the identity of true self "the I within". 
*  Truth behind an Atman (soul) manifesting a body. 
*  The ultimate truth governing the physical World.
 
Being my last sojourn on Mother Earth, I have to impart 
the cosmic knowledge to those who truly seek the "wisdom 
of the East".
 
No further life after death of this body ... To      Emancipate forever 
from the cycle of birth and death .. What can be more noble for the 
Atman (Soul) within.  
 
One can within this life attain salvation... Become a living 
Mahavira,Buddha or Jesus Christ.
 
Home Page url: http://www.geocities.com/athens/forum/5822 
mailto:vijaykumATnospamdel2.vsnl.net.in
 
Vijay Kumar ... 
(The man who realized God in 1993) 
 
 
    
HOW I REALIZED GOD     
 
 
The Elimination Process
 
When I was young I was taken to the Jain temple on some sacred occasions 
for worshipping the Gods.  Due to my inherent tendencies I was not 
convinced that God resides in those stone statues I was asked to 
worship.  I felt inquiring within my own self that if these stone 
statues were not God, who or what was God ? What people meant when 
they talked of    God !
 
I distinctly remember asking an elder of the family that Who was God 
?  Pat come the reply that, Universe and everything contained in it was 
made by God.  Tell me, Can you visualize the boundary of the sky and 
beyond ?  I thought for a moment and replied, the Universe seems to be 
without a boundary ! Yes, the power which made all this and whom we go 
and worship in temples is known as God, came the reply.
 
As I grew older I tried the elimination process.  What was uncommon in 
all human beings and all other  living beings?  The mental powers !  
This confirmed that human being is the highest creation of God on 
Earth.  Now ! What differentiated different human beings.  One was a 
king and the other a laborer due to difference in their mental 
capabilities alone !
 
What are these mental capabilities which differentiate human being on 
such a vast scale !  How can they be developed ?  Was it the development 
of mental powers that human being could attain the level of a Buddha, 
Mahavira or Jesus Christ ?  The mental powers in our physical World are 
invoked by our brain.  How do brain and mental powers (thinking power) 
correlate with each other.  What role Kalchakra (time) plays. 
 
Will Power & Brain
 
As time passed by things became more and more clear to me.  Will power 
of a human being (the desire of Atman enacted through a human being 
based on ... The resultant karma of all earlier lives manifested by 
Atman) is the ultimate factor governing the destiny of a human being.  
Doing of karma by a human being is the result of what is invoked through 
the brain by a human being [Invoking is done by the human being at will 
(i.e. his Atman) based on the resultant karma of the past lives].
 
When I was in my 2nd year of Engineering, I gained control on mental 
powers to the extent that I worked for half an hour but when seen by the 
watch only one minute had passed.  Whatever I read once in a book was 
clear to me like a Master.  That control has never again returned in my 
life even after a lapse of 20 years.  Reason being ... I was never again 
so carefree after graduation.  I got more and more involved in my family 
business of Foundation Engineering.
 
The mental waves on which I had started traveling were getting farther 
away from me day by day.  The thought waves seem to travel even faster 
than the speed of light.  It is these thought waves on which if one 
dwells, shall he be able to see God one day and subsequent events 
proved that I was 100 percent correct.  For fifteen years I have worked 
hard may be not to the best of my capability or to the liking of my 
family as inherently I was getting more and more inclined to know God, 
the Creator ... talk to him if possible.
 
Having realized that Air, Water and mother Earth were only elements 
supporting the life structure of all living beings but were not Gods 
.. only thing left was Sun.  The rays of light traveling at the speed of 
1,86,000 miles per second take above eight minutes to reach the Earth.  
Electricity also travels at the same speed at zero ressistence.  During 
rainy days the voice of the thunder is like God speaking.  You strike 
two stones and sparks fly.  You rub two wooden elements .. Friction may 
cause fire.  All incidents indicated that the power of light (i.e. Agni) 
is an inherent power, unmatched with and very closely related with 
God.
 
Doctrine of Anekantvad
 
Whatever we see in the Universe through our physical eyes or various 
senses have a definite shape but ... Seeing from the angle of 
Anekantvad, everything in the Universe can be broken up into molecules 
and atoms.  Atoms consist of a nuclei and around it are electrons 
rotating at the speed of light i.e. 1,86,000 miles per second.  The 
power which rotates the electrons around the nuclei at the speed of 
light is to be known as God.
 
The Doctrine of Anekantvad alone can make clear the relationships 
between human beings, between human beings and all other living beings 
and between human beings, all other living beings and the inherent 
powers of the Universe.  Till the time we human beings continue 
perceiving ourselves as mightiest of all, at times even defying the Law 
of Eternal Truth ... We shall fail in our efforts to come near God.
 
We must put an end to giving undue importance to ourselves.  Our Atman 
within may have changed numerous life forms before our present form as a 
human being.  It is on its cosmic journey ... Goal being liberation from 
further manifestations.  All life forms are important but ... Desist 
from killing for the sake of pleasure for you shall never be pardoned 
for this act of yours.
 
The Law of Evolution is same for all beings ... To think, by your not 
killing the pests we are doing service to God is wrong for the pests 
have their own limited life and if they are a nuisance to us (the most 
advanced species of the world) they must be annihilated lest we may 
suffer at their hands.  The survival of the fittest is the basic theme 
of the evolutionary process.
 
Never forget that God alone maintains the balance in the Universe and 
all Atmans in their manifested life forms only do its bidding.  Our 
killing or not killing a being only effects us and only us for it is our 
Atman within which carries forward the results of the karma performed 
by us i.e. a life from manifested by it.  Must we not take a pledge to 
improve upon ourselves because it is the reform in the thinking process 
of every individual that will bring a change in the society for better.
 
God ... An inherent power
 
God is not a being and is formless.  As a normal human being cannot and 
does not want to comprehend that God is an inherent power (It can be 
felt by any human being during intense prayers to God) ...  It worships 
it in the form of deities of the shape of a human being.  This gives 
more and more credulity to its existence on Earth as most powerful of 
all beings resulting in enlarging the Ego of a human being ... Often 
resulting in calamitous results.
 
God is the center point from where all creation started and all things 
in the Universe are connected to it by a divine string.  Wherever we try 
to break an atom ... Massive energy is generated resulting in an 
uncontrolled chain reaction.  God shall bless us for using this energy 
for useful purposes but when used for negative goals ... The results are 
disastrous.
 
Mind .. the Controller of all Human Beings 
 
Once I realized that mind is all powerful ... I tried to clean my brain 
of all negative influences.  Negative influences bring us nearer to 
Satanic forces and Positive influences towards God. Once we eradicate 
from our thinking the negative influences we are left with only good 
thoughts.  These good thoughts bring us nearer to our goal i.e. God.  By 
invoking right thoughts from positive Mind (i.e. the Eternal reservoir 
of Positive Thoughts) we become more and more pure spiritually.  The 
weeds of negative influences from our brain are required to be taken out 
and thrown away at regular intervals.  By keeping our brain clear of all 
unwanted seeds of evil thoughts, our brain stimulates us towards better 
deeds.  We start growing in harmony with our inner self (our Atman 
within).
 
What is the relation between God, a human being and all other living 
beings.  In due course of introspection, I (Vijay Kumar and not my 
Atman) realized that the Atman within the body of all living beings is 
of the same nature as God.  Is God not the collective sum of all 
liberated Atmans.  Atman of all beings in essence is the Governor of 
all beings.  What then is the relation between the Atman and the 
physical self i.e. a Jiva !
 
 
God Initiates Me
 
Having perceived the truth I was only to inquire about the Eternal 
relationship between all beings and lo !  On 3rd of August, 1993, at 
2.15 a.m. God initiated me.  I was sleeping in my bedroom on first 
floor.  At about 1.45 a.m., I felt choking and gasping for breath and an 
urge within to go out on the terrace.  I was obeying commands from 
within as if in deep sleep.  When I reached the terrace of the first 
floor I was again instructed by God, the Creator to go back to the 
room and bring the collapsible easy chair (which I use for my reading) 
and go to the terrace on second floor.  I brought the chair and sat on 
it looking upwards, towards the sky.
 
What was I seeing ! Full vision of the cosmos ... A blinding spell of 
white light all around ... Something  which cannot be described in 
words.  The Ultimate Truth dawned upon me and at 4 a.m. I was 
instructed to go down.  I was then instructed to write down something.  
I started writing.  When I reread those lines ... Every thing was clear 
to me.  No questions remaining unanswered I had realized Self ... I was 
one with God, the Creator ... More eager than ever to complete my 
journey on this Earthly plane and liberate myself (i.e. me as an 
Atman) from the cycle of birth and death at the earliest.
 
I am a completely changed man now.  Having realized the purpose of my 
Cosmic journey ... Life has a different meaning for me since that day.  
I can invoke willingly the mighty powers of the Universe after constant 
practice and take dictations from God, the Creator for hours 
together.  In the messages are hidden the Eternal Truths which can never 
be falsified by any person of understanding.  God has blessed me to 
remain in the Grihastha Ashram and continue my spiritual quest 
further.
 
The answer to all the questions related to the Universe and God 
having been answered, The quest of all spiritual seekers for ages having 
been fulfilled, I pray to the almighty God to give me Strength and 
Wisdom to uphold the values in the Society of which I am an integral 
part.  May God bless us all.
 
 
  *******
 
Life story of  :   VIJAY KUMAR   Atma Jnani 
Ref  930803  e-mail : vijaykumATnospamdel2.vsnl.net.in 
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 23:22:07 
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com> 
To: SchrLL <SchrLLATnospamaol.com> 
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re:genuine or delusional 
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     Heya:  
   Earlier in this thread, when I was skimming the digests with no time to 
write, it seemed that the query was whether hypnosis and intoxicants can be 
mistaken for K. experiences. The thread has wandered, as good threads do, 
but I wanted to share my own experience.  
  I trace my psychic experiences so far back that I figure I must have been 
born awakened. Interestingly enough, this was confirmed by a most 
interesting and precise Vedic horoscope I had cast recently. 
  I don't think the question has come up on the list, as to whether I am 
really awakened: coz the K-fire that comes vibrating off my posts can't be 
faked. Tee hee!     However, Kundalini is something I have only really 
studied in the last few years, prompted by the mysterious energetic power 
of BDSM.   
  Meditating to find my professional name, the inner voice chose Angelique 
Serpent. I was surprised, coz it sounded like a codename for Satan. The 
inner voice said to trust, and began to teach me of the truth of the 
Serpent on the Tree of life, and the red apple that is the Root Chakra 
where Kundalini serpent power lies coiled sleeping.  
  Patriarchy demonized the Goddess of Creation. Long before the old 
testament, the Serpent was the symbol of the Mother Goddess: fertility, 
wisdom and healing. 
 
  Everyone believes that they are special. I had been told too many times 
that I was not, and should not act like it... so anything that suggested I 
really was, in ways that I could not understand got tossed on the trash 
heap. Trying to fit in and never understanding why no matter what I did, I 
could not.. not special, just different.. 
 
  Some things, I never checked out, to discover a difference. I thought 
everybody had a light in their head that came on when they were trying to 
go to sleep. I had been playing a game with myself to make it brighter, 
since I was a toddler. I didn't know to connect the game with the 
incredibly odd dreams and nightmares I had as a child. I prayed for them to 
end, and they did.  
  
  Recently I figured out that I was shamanic journeying into the 
dreamtime.. scary stuff for a little kid. I had two dreams that I 
recognized, were events from the future: I journeyed into my adult self. I 
could understand very little of the dreams, a child suddenly looking out 
through adult eyes, at the changed world of the future... but the images 
stayed with me. I felt that they were important, sent for a reason. 
 
  Last year, someone on Conflight list reported a dream that contained the 
exact same images and events as one of my childhood dreams. I was 
astonished, but I was glad to find out the meaning of the dream. And more 
puzzled than ever... 
  What my child self had presumed were entertainments: giant glowing faces 
speaking from the sky, a flyover of strange aircraft without wings.. in the 
other person's dream, was a mass landing of UFO's. That explanation, was an 
idea too strange for me to consider before, but it fit perfectly. 
 
  It was made easier for me to accept, by the appearance of a grey alien in 
my mirror, some months earlier, towards the end of a solo acid trip: 
internal visionquest. I had shed most emotions, was deep in the "witness" 
state, so it did not frighten me.  
  Unlike most mirror faces, this one did not flicker and change. It stayed 
so steady in my mirror, that I could slowly turn my head and see the sides 
of it's head. I could see the exact shade of it's grey skin, the tiny 
wrinkles around it's eyes and mouth. The luminosity of those huge black 
eyes. I was in a dispassionate state, so it did not frighten me. I reached 
out with my empathy, looking for emotions to connect with, and found none.. 
so we just stared at each other for a while, then I went and did something 
else.  
  Delusion? Hallucination from drugs?  
  Be easier to think so, except that was nearly two years ago, and I can 
still show the alien to anyone with an opened third eye. My little grey 
buddy is a friend, who has taught me much about the limitless potential of 
the human being. Until it showed up, I was in deep denial of anything 
suggesting I had an E.T. connection. 
 
  Hypnotic suggestion? I do not usually tell folks what to expect to see, I 
just ask them to open their third eye so I can show them something.  I know 
when they see it, by the instant look of fear/horror on their faces. The 
instinctive human emotional response to the greys. When they get past their 
immediate reaction, they find it beautiful. Deerlike, with it's delicate 
bones and huge deep black eyes.  
  It is a male. I know this, coz I wondered, and it appeared to one of my 
slaves to identify it's gender, one day while I was in the next room 
raising energy with a client. 
 
  This week, looking out my diningroom window thinking what the curtains 
would look like when I put them up, I had a deja vu that made me vibrate. 
The deja vu was from the beginning of the mass landings dream, what my 
observing child self had thought of the curtains, and it came with some 
lost fragments of memory that put many puzzle pieces together into a mind 
blowing whole. I will not go into them all here: but this new house and 
nearby Queen E. park, (the highest point of Vancouver,)  are the locations 
I dreamt about, and we have the house leased for only a year. I believe the 
event that I dreamt about as a toddler, will happen this spring.  
  Sure, I might be delusional, but my awakening is genuine, and I have 
carried this dream around without understanding it, but knowing it was very 
important, for almost all my life.  
  At this point, I think I would be delusional, if I was still in denial of 
the evidence of alien contact that is piling up in my personal experience. 
       
  Has anybody else noticed, that little grey alien faces are appearing 
everywhere? Stickers, postcards, fridge magnets, t-shirts.. even my 
cigarette papers have an alien face on them. First it was the reptiles, 
dinosaurs.. now it's aliens. I have a tee-shirt one of my slaves gave me, 
two grey aliens having sex, with the caption "Aliens are coming".  
  They are trying to get us used to seeing them, to minimize the harm from 
our instinctive fear reaction to them, when they really show up. They are 
here in service to Goddess, working for the Ascension. Call me crazy if you 
like: wait and see if I'm right... or check it out with your own higher 
guidance.  
   They're Heeeerrrre!!  
    Blessings with grey skin and big eyes, Mystress. 
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 02:00:05 EST 
From: PEGLUMPKIN <PEGLUMPKINATnospamaol.com> 
To: gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com 
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: HRTZEN: Cameras 
Message-ID: <ce71a534.34b9bf76ATnospamaol.com> 
 
In a message dated 98-01-11 12:09:32 EST, you write:
 
<<  Nobody has yet come up with an response to my question of a week ago, 
 which is this:  "How can one determine whether he/she is self-deluded or 
 has actually experienced a genuine awakening?" >>
 
Dear Gene,
 
My initial reaction to this question was that ultimately it would be the same 
as the way you tell a hysterical pregnancy from a real pregnancy:  If it's 
real, eventually you give birth.  Except with kundalini, it feels as though 
you've given birth to yourself.  I guess my feeling is that it doesn't matter 
if someone else assesses my awakening as valid or not.  At the KRN conference 
this fall, an ayurvedic doctor "diagnosed" my kundalini rising as legitimate. 
So what?  Sure, it's nice to have corroboration and support.  But had he said 
I was the devil incarnate or the latest incarnation of Vishnu, it would have 
done nothing to alter my experiences.
 
In my mind, the k-awakened people are like a garden of budding flowers.  The 
potential was always in the seeds, and all we needed was a conducive 
envirornment.  You seem to want to bring in the scientists to fertilize and 
accelerate our growth.  If you do come up with some kind of Miracle-Gro for 
the spirit, count me in.  If not, we'll still bloom in our own season into a 
beautiful k-bouquet.  I know you're anxious for the rest of the dormant seeds 
to see their potential soon.  They will.  They're seeds after all.
 
Peg 
   
Date: 	Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:20:21 -1000 
From: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu> 
To: Louis Conjar <lconjarATnospamerols.com> 
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: Spiritual Emergence 
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Hi Louis : 
Your snipping was good.. perfect.
 
> call it), the West certainly was not prepared to deal with it. I have 
> received information from within that we are preparing the way for 
> others and that our "purification" will make it easier for them in their 
> awakening. I hope that's true. It certainly seems as though a lot of the 
> stuff that has come up was universal in scope.
 
Your intuition seems to be very clear and accurate with what I have been 
told too.  
   
> Did I ask you about your book already? I'm very interested in reading 
> anything written by those who have first-hand experience. In addition to 
> the obvious benefit of reading the accounts of others, it soothes my ego 
> to know that I'm not the only one going through this.
 
Well I put achapter at my web site (below) but since I have been a year 
going through more and more changes, I have pretty much changed what I had 
planned to cover. My perspective has changed. However, it will get done.. 
one of these days. I think now I know more K-ites that they could all 
write the same book, but I guess there is no one else on the planet quite 
like me, so I have to get mine done sometime. 
Stay tuned! And there is plenty of experience on this list besides me. 
 > 
> I'm not familiar with Hand Clow. Is this a book I can find somewhere? 
The title of the book is "The Liquid Light of SEx" by Barbara Hand Clow. 
She is very intune and multi-dimensional. I have read most of her work 
whic has changed me entirely.  She goes into a sort of trance and 
recollects her past lives. It resonates with my own experiences very 
deeply which I get through various methods such as shamanic journeying, 
self-hypnosis, past life regression etc. 
This is my site:  	 
http://166.122.32.61/trimble/   - Look for the Kundalini link. 
It is also at 
http://www.spiritweb.org/Spirit/trimble-kundalini-awakening.html 
 
Seems as if this is a topic we should have brought up before.  
***** 
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 03:37:57 -0500 
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> 
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: Re: K and "Professional" help. 
Message-ID: <34B9D665.2DF0ATnospammail.snet.net> 
 
Jack wrote:
 
> Sometimes I think that the docs have no explanation for something, 
> keep running tests hoping something will show up or that the first 
> time the machine was broken or something. When the tests keep coming 
> up negative they actually get pissed off. It's really funny to see.
 
They are trained in disease. 
Not health.
 
In truth they are "disease practitioners."
 
Health would have to do with raising awareness and understanding in our 
society/culture beforehand to help *prevent* extreme emotional 
disturbances.
 
I believe this is the trend we are experiencing now through kundalini's 
effects.
 
We are becoming more aware of the failures in the "pathological" 
approach for 
both physical and spiritual health. 
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 03:42:52 -0500 
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> 
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: Re: Spiritual Emergence 
Message-ID: <34B9D78C.6466ATnospammail.snet.net> 
 
Louis Conjar wrote:
 
> we are preparing the way for 
> others and that our "purification" will make it easier for them in their 
> awakening. I hope that's true.
 
Yes, this is true. 
We see this occur in science. It is known as acquired knowledge. 
Each generation begins with an ever more evolved start. 
It is the same with Consciousness.
 
I sense an impending "boom".
 
Anyone else? 
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 03:53:43 -0500 
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> 
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: Re: Mokhs vs.Nirvan 
Message-ID: <34B9DA17.76E7ATnospammail.snet.net> 
 
Peswani wrote:
 
>         All life is climbing up the hill of evolution. 
 
I suppose that is one perspective.
 
> So each of us human beings is climbing this mountain of 
> evolution and this mountain is covered with d ense forests.
 
Use your wings.
 
> And hence we cannot climb straigt as the top is invisible
 
We see what we want to see.
 
>         This climbing of mountain always requires effort and also is cause 
> of pain. As all of life climbs we devolop fear , jealousy, hatred etc. for 
> co-travellers if we do not know them.
 
Maybe we should stop climbing. Put away the struggle and realize that 
"the top" is everywhere.
 
Meet me Here. 
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 15:04:09 +0500 (GMT+0500) 
From: Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in> 
To: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> 
Cc: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: Re: Mokhs vs.Nirvan 
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On Mon, 12 Jan 1998, David Bozzi wrote:
 
> Peswani wrote: 
>  
> >         All life is climbing up the hill of evolution.  
>  
> I suppose that is one perspective. 
>  
> > So each of us human beings is climbing this mountain of 
> > evolution and this mountain is covered with d ense forests. 
>  
> Use your wings. 
>  
> > And hence we cannot climb straigt as the top is invisible 
>  
> We see what we want to see. 
>  
>  
> >         This climbing of mountain always requires effort and also is cause 
> > of pain. As all of life climbs we devolop fear , jealousy, hatred etc. for 
> > co-travellers if we do not know them. 
>  
> Maybe we should stop climbing. Put away the struggle and realize that 
> "the top" is everywhere. 
>  
> Meet me Here. 
>  
>  
yes, you have just opted for moksh if you can do it. 
you have uptil now been opting for nirvan when you evolved from cell to  
worm to plants to animals to humans. Indian Vedas say that it took you  
8.4 million births to reach this human stage. Now you have to reverse your  
direction if you can. Many have done it.  
It is easy to opt for Moksh but that is programmed in the seed of your  
kalapa or DNA. It is not in your hands. 
Shahanshah 
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 15:06:14 +0500 (GMT+0500) 
From: Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in> 
To: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> 
Cc: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: Re: Spiritual Emergence 
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On Mon, 12 Jan 1998, David Bozzi wrote:
 
> Louis Conjar wrote: 
>  
> > we are preparing the way for 
> > others and that our "purification" will make it easier for them in their 
> > awakening. I hope that's true. 
>  
> Yes, this is true. 
> We see this occur in science. It is known as acquired knowledge. 
> Each generation begins with an ever more evolved start. 
> It is the same with Consciousness. 
>  
> I sense an impending "boom". 
>  
> Anyone else? 
>  
>  
 Yes, impending boom, Oh Joy 
shahanshah 
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 06:04:53 EST 
From: Qwartz <QwartzATnospamaol.com> 
To: trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu 
Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: Spiritual Emergence 
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In a message dated 98-01-11 22:55:40 EST, you write:
 
<< .. now I have to find a list to blast the 
 OB/GYN's whom I feel let me down equally badly!  Haha.. >>
 
LOL! 
You go girl! I've got my OB/GYN master blaster armed and ready! <snicker> Just 
tell me where you wish to position me and when you plan to attack! 
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 07:46:37 -0600 
From: jeannegATnospamicon.net (Jeanne Garner) 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: RE: K and "Professional" help. 
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Hi, Jack & all,
 
>Wouldn't it be nice to have a K-clinic ? On call gurus 24 hours a 
>day,emergency Shakti procedures and continuous care for Awakening ? 
>Just kidding, lighten up.  : )>
 
Actually, not such a bad idea at all.  'Course, this mailing list is sort of 
like an online one.  You don't even need medical insurance.  :)
 
   Jeanne     
 ==-* My stars!
 
 
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