1998/01/08 19:59
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #21
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 21
Today's Topics:
Re: Scientific Wonders [ Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin. ]
Re: Re[2]: Spine chills... [ Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin. ]
Sanity Check [ Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin. ]
Re: Sanity Check [ freda <fredaATnospamblarg.net> ]
Re: Sanity Check [ Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin. ]
Re: Scientific Wonders [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ]
Re[4]: Spine chills... [ "Jeremy Chevrier" <jeremy_chevrierATnospam ]
Re: Spine chills... [ Solar Lion <gtaATnospamcwnet.com> ]
Re: spine chills [ takeuchiATnospamcgl.ucsf.EDU ]
off subject: humor [ Solar Lion <gtaATnospamcwnet.com> ]
Re[2]: Spine chills... [ "Jeremy Chevrier" <jeremy_chevrierATnospam ]
RE: DRUG POLL [ "Roberto Gonzales del Valle" <rgvgATnospam ]
Re: Scientific Wonders [ Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin. ]
Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource [ Louis Conjar <lconjarATnospamerols.com> ]
Re: Shahanshah [ "Kirk Anderson" <d242kaosATnospamgte.net> ]
RE: DRUG POLL [ Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin. ]
Re: genuine or delusion [ Louis Conjar <lconjarATnospamerols.com> ]
Re: Summary [ Louis Conjar <lconjarATnospamerols.com> ]
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 18:50:41 -0500 (EST)
From: Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin.umich.edu>
To: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Scientific Wonders
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> I am not a guy.. I don't know how it works in men with the mind. I know
> that women have a different corpus collosum so we are able to see things
> more holistically than men.. who focus in on pin points etc. (Women can
> do all of it!)
I know there are exceptions to this generalization. Have
kundalini experiencers been studied with regards to this to any great
degree?
> what is around th corner. I would say it is your ego which is distraught.
My ego fears insanity.
> You are enlightened.. everyone is.. we have all taken on a veil to keep us
> able to stay in 3rd d. Why? Well who knows.. God wants it that way!
The veil is the body.
> What I mean is the fear keeps coming back in new ways.. you are just
> pushing it away.
I deal with fear using logic. Logic does not push away fear.
> surrendered to a fearful apparition. And in trying to avoid it I had gone
> loopy...nuts and had to go see a shrink! It was embarassing.. but it did
I still see a psychiatrist. It is embarassing.
Is not rebirth the experiencing of the trauma of birth again?
> heard of people doing this and going so nutty that they could not come
> back. In any case I did go wobbly, and it took 15 years of intense inner
Anyone can come back unless they die for good.
> start to question your fear. Ask it for information. Listen carefullyto
I have plenty of information. I fear insanity. I don't know what
else there is to fear.
> where the whole world turned yellow and there was nothing but skeletons
> left on the planet! Try that one for fun! **Seeing it with your eyes
> open... yet!
I may have experienced even more than this. Read my awakening. I
can sympathize with you like few others can. In my awakening, I stuck to
"reality," and left out most dreams.
> > I thought emotions were to be unlocked to avoided with detachment?
> (not)
> I am not sure I know what you mean. Do you mean avoid emotion, or unlock
> emotion?
Unlock.
> emotions... watch them.. fine.. enjoy them.. no problem, but do not rid
> yorself of your fuel for living. Emotionsare messages from the
I got rid of emotions for a while I think. I only wanted to sleep
then. I believe my heart still is depressed because I still unconsciously
control it to avoid emotion.
> not sent me that ghastly apparition of what I most feared to admit, then I
I had a traumatic childhood too. It was quite different from
yours though. I forgave the people involved.
> Love allows freedom. Drop the idea that attachment and love are the same
> thing. They are enemies. It is attachment that destroys love. (Osho)
Is attachment the opposite of detachment? Can love be experienced
during detachment or is this only self-love?
Dan
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 18:53:48 -0500 (EST)
From: Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin.umich.edu>
To: Jeremy Chevrier <jeremy_chevrierATnospamccmlink.dph.sf.ca.us>
cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Spine chills...
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> What does it mean though? To say it is a side effect of kundalini
> awakening doesn't satisfy me. Why are these chills happening? What
> exactly is this energy and why is it releasing in such a way? I have
> wanted an answer to this question for years....
Are these the chills of the spine that I experience during a
really cool part of a movie? Do they feel good? I believe these chills
are a good sign. It means you have released yourself to something that
has "cleansed the spirit" or relaxed your body and spine so much that
energy can flow freely and pleasure can be experienced.
Dan
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 18:58:15 -0500 (EST)
From: Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin.umich.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Sanity Check
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For those of you who have read my "awakening", what should I tell
my mother? She does not want me to go to California to work in a co-op.
She believes that this coming term is a time in which I am more suseptable
to problems.
Dan
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 16:05:02 -0800
From: freda <fredaATnospamblarg.net>
To: Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin.umich.edu>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Sanity Check
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Dear Dan,
It's not that simple!
What are YOU gonna do?
the k-list isn't gonna send a note home to mommy for you!
At least I'm not.
I ain't goin' up against NOBODIES mommy.
--
..freda..
BE-IS-AM ...manifesting again...
http://www.blarg.net/~freda/01rg/hm/frhm.htm
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 19:12:08 -0500 (EST)
From: Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin.umich.edu>
To: freda <fredaATnospamblarg.net>
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Sanity Check
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> It's not that simple!
I am not simplifying. I realize full well the gravity of the
situation.
> What are YOU gonna do?
I will talk to my mother for a long time.
> the k-list isn't gonna send a note home to mommy for you!
Please don't.
> At least I'm not.
> I ain't goin' up against NOBODIES mommy.
Thank you.
Dan
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 19:24:07 -0500
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin.umich.edu>
CC: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Scientific Wonders
Message-ID: <34B56E27.460EATnospammail.snet.net>
Daniel James Giszczak wrote:
>
> > Ah, an honest statement. Do not reject logic. Be honest about it.
> > See how limiting it really is. Does it fill your emptiness?
> I see it limits and also broadens. It fills some holes but not
> all.
All is all that can ever satisfy You.
> If I don't feel I know what it means, I do not believe that I have
> the wisdom to choose whether or not to express it if I have to choose
> between expression and experiencing.
Here is where Trust comes in.
There is a Higher Intelligence with a much better view of things then
you have right now.
He/She only has your best interest in Mind.
> > >I try to control anger to enact change.
> > This causes a great deal of friction.
> Is friction bad,
There is no friction in True Knowing.
Friction suggests wasted Energy.
I am talking about Consciousness as Energy.
> > > I try to control sadness to enact change.
> > This dissipates energy.
> It uses less energy to not change,
The "trying to control" suggests more friction.
> but some people are resistant to change,
Yes. Resistance is a form of stagnation.
Transformation requires trust and surrender.
> and if people like this "cause" me sadness, I believe seeing
> the person again could cause sadness for the same reason it caused it
> before.
This sadness is Everyones'. That person is a catalyst for bringing your
sadness to the surface, so it can be released. (not just tucked away)
> If I enact change in myself or that person, this sadness will not
> be repeated.
You could keep it hidden.
But then it rears its' ugly head in some new form.
It will reappear again and again until you begin to face it with
awareness.
> > > > I cannot channel fear into anything.
> > What about your legs when a car is coming at you?
> I do this readily. Why does fear freeze too often?
Fear is not logical. : )
> Logic calms my fear when I understand something that I was afriad
> of. The concept of fear is strengthened if fear is awknowledged.
What if one goes so deep into fear that ones' awareness dispels it like
a light dispels shadows? I am drawing distinction here between thought
and Pure Awareness. An explanation will always be incomplete. I am not
saying explanations are "bad'.
> The pattern of fear is strengthened if fear is experienced.
Only if it is experienced without awareness.
> I know fear is useful because of the moving car example.
It can save your life.
It calls your Awareness to where awareness is needed.
> > There is nowhere else to go anyway.
> What?
You cannot escape Yourself.
That's good because you are a ray of the Divine.
Blessings,
David
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 98 16:18:03 PST
From: "Jeremy Chevrier" <jeremy_chevrierATnospamccmlink.dph.sf.ca.us>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re[4]: Spine chills...
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I get them about 30 times daily for as long as I can remember. My mom
gets them too. It's starts at base of spine and "wriggles" to the top
of my head ending in a tingling sensation. I experience these little
build ups and releases all throughout the day. I get them more in
cold and if I "pump"/pull up, on my perineum muscle.
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Date: 1/8/98 3:56 PM
> What does it mean though? To say it is a side effect of kundalini
> awakening doesn't satisfy me. Why are these chills happening? What
> exactly is this energy and why is it releasing in such a way? I have
> wanted an answer to this question for years....
Are these the chills of the spine that I experience during a
really cool part of a movie? Do they feel good? I believe these chills
are a good sign. It means you have released yourself to something that
has "cleansed the spirit" or relaxed your body and spine so much that
energy can flow freely and pleasure can be experienced.
Dan
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 16:34:53 -0800
From: Solar Lion <gtaATnospamcwnet.com>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Spine chills...
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greetings
upon checking with our sources - the body and spine chills are related to
unresolved issues - this life or past life - the kundalini reacts with that
by producing body chills and spine chills - and the feeling of serpents in
the spine - etc.
in kundalini work it is always preferred to prepare the way first rather
than just rising the energy - if the way is not properly prepared - then be
prepared for the results - and the discomforts of that.
there are methods of dealing with this - which require higher energy
vibrations to over ride the kundalini effects - each application of the
higher is somewhat of a work of art - and individual to each situation.
Solar Lion (Bob)
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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 16:35:31 -0800 (PST)
From: takeuchiATnospamcgl.ucsf.EDU
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: spine chills
Message-Id: <199801090035.QAA03373ATnospamsocrates.ucsf.EDU>
In my experience, the spine chills are one manifestation of
energy. One thing you might be aware of is how it travels through
the body. I noticed that as I meditated, it would go progressively
higher from the base of the spine up through the top of the head, and
can recirculate (also it can go down the legs, into the ground and
back up the front).
If you are interested in energy, then you might pay attention to
other forms such as sexual energy. From one perspective, you
will notice the pleasurable sensation, but if you examine it
a minute, then you might notice a similar tingling sensation,
that is stimulating the gonad chakra.
Sometimes energy will manifest in some different form such
as warmth that will travel or in pulsing vibrations. In
my case, I have noticed that the warm sensations
generally tend to be physically related, whereas the tingling
can be working on a different level.
This tingling is not the kundalini, (the tingling energy opens up
the channels to help prepare the kundalini experience).
In the above sentence, however, I am only passing along what I was told,
since I haven't had the kundalini experience.
Toshi
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 16:58:28 -0800
From: Solar Lion <gtaATnospamcwnet.com>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: off subject: humor
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>From another List
~~~ THINGS WE CAN LEARN FROM A DOG ~~~
* Never pass up the opportunity to go for a joyride.
* Allow the experience of fresh air and the wind in your face
to be pure ecstasy.
* When loved ones come home, always run to greet them.
* When it's in your best interest, practice obedience.
* Let others know when they've invaded your territory.
* Take naps and stretch before rising.
* Run, romp and play daily.
* Eat with gusto and enthusiasm. Stop when you've had enough.
* Be loyal.
* Never pretend to be something you're not.
* If what you want lies buried, dig until you find it.
* When someone is having a bad day, be silent, sit close by
and nuzzle them gently.
* Thrive on attention and let people touch you.
* Avoid biting when a simple growl will do.
* On warm days, stop to lie on your back on the grass.
* On hot days, drink lots of water and lay under a shady tree.
* When you're happy, dance around and wag your entire body.
* No matter how often you're scolded, don't buy into the guilt
thing and pout ...run right back and make friends.
* Delight in the simple joy of a long walk.
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 98 16:49:05 PST
From: "Jeremy Chevrier" <jeremy_chevrierATnospamccmlink.dph.sf.ca.us>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re[2]: Spine chills...
Message-Id: <9800088843.AA884307486ATnospamccmlink.dph.sf.ca.us>
Who are your sources? Why do "unresolved issues" creat chills?
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Subject: Re: Spine chills...
Author: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com at ~DPH-INTERNET-MAIL
Date: 1/8/98 4:35 PM
greetings
upon checking with our sources - the body and spine chills are related to
unresolved issues - this life or past life - the kundalini reacts with that
by producing body chills and spine chills - and the feeling of serpents in
the spine - etc.
in kundalini work it is always preferred to prepare the way first rather
than just rising the energy - if the way is not properly prepared - then be
prepared for the results - and the discomforts of that.
there are methods of dealing with this - which require higher energy
vibrations to over ride the kundalini effects - each application of the
higher is somewhat of a work of art - and individual to each situation.
Solar Lion (Bob)
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Metaphysics - Guided Meditation - Energy Work
ICQ uin: 2742596
"Ye Old Metaphysical Book Shoppe"
Online source for Metaphysical Books
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Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 17:17:46 PST
From: "Roberto Gonzales del Valle" <rgvgATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: RE: DRUG POLL
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Hello:
Sometimes when my thoughts start runnig faster than i can handle i yake
downers such as Valium and Diazepan to slow my mind down so i can
interact with others and be more grounded. Any sugestions on how to
throw the pills to the toilet, because as good as they may seem i know
they don´t do me any good at all.
Thanks.
Roberto
Lima, Peru.
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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 20:20:58 -0500 (EST)
From: Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin.umich.edu>
To: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
cc: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Scientific Wonders
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> > If I don't feel I know what it means, I do not believe that I have
> > the wisdom to choose whether or not to express it if I have to choose
> > between expression and experiencing.
>
> Here is where Trust comes in.
> There is a Higher Intelligence with a much better view of things then
> you have right now.
> He/She only has your best interest in Mind.
Did you read my awakening experience at
http://www-personal.engin.umich.edu/~danjg/awakening.html ?
Please show me God or higher intelligence.
> You could keep it hidden.
> But then it rears its' ugly head in some new form.
> It will reappear again and again until you begin to face it with
> awareness.
What is the difference between hiding and dealing?
> Only if it is experienced without awareness.
Does this kind of awareness cause neural firing or growth?
> It can save your life.
> It calls your Awareness to where awareness is needed.
One can learn to ignore or be detached from stimuli where
awareness is needed. Learning to do this is useful (firewalking,) but
losing control of this ability is dangerous.
Thanks Dave.
Dan
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 21:04:36 -0500
From: Louis Conjar <lconjarATnospamerols.com>
To: Druout <DruoutATnospamaol.com>
CC: parryijATnospamacay.com.au, Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
Message-ID: <34B585B4.FD5ATnospamerols.com>
Druout wrote:
>
> Dear Steve,
>
> I've only been going through this for a bit over a year, so you could
> probably tell me a thing or two. I feel one has to trust what Krishanmurti
> termed "the Process" and not fight it in any way. (hard advice to follow
> sometimes) . The Shared Transformation newsletter has helped me a great deal,
> too.
>
> Love,
> Hillary
As someone who has had some Kundalini activity for over 20 years and
constant, never-ceasing, full-blown activity for almost 7 years, I can
say that I agree whole-heartedly that one must "trust the process". I
have been to the depths of hell and to the heights of heaven, but
through it all, from deep inside, I have always trusted the process. I
also agree that it is not very easy to do so when the extremely
difficult episodes take place. Years ago, I would never have believed
that a person could endure some of what I have gone through. But I have
occasionally been rewarded with incredible, miraculous, experiences that
cannot be adequately described to someone who has not experienced such
things. Trust the process. The Power knows what it is doing.
--
Louis Conjar - Dynamic Expansion Institute, Inc.
"All Your Spiritual and Financial Needs In One Place"
lconjarATnospamerols.com - http://www.deimarket.com
410-385-9500 - fax 410-654-9587
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 21:32:37 -0500
From: "Kirk Anderson" <d242kaosATnospamgte.net>
To: "Harsh K. Luthar" <hlutharATnospambryant.edu>,
"anandajyoti" <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>
Cc: "Peswani" <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in>, <heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com>,
"kundalini-l" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Shahanshah
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The Magnanimous Harshster wrote:
See you Later-Alligator. I guess:-).
The compassionate but extremely funny Harsha.
The Polite and Very Emotionally Supportive Kirk writes:
I am being very very gracious in commenting to Harsha that he was, and is
indeed, a very very humorous Manifestation. A Manifestation of What, we are
not so sure....
Our common elegance of expression enraptures me!
The Very Humble 242 (!)
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 21:40:01 -0500 (EST)
From: Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin.umich.edu>
To: Roberto Gonzales del Valle <rgvgATnospamhotmail.com>
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: RE: DRUG POLL
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> Sometimes when my thoughts start runnig faster than i can handle i yake
> downers such as Valium and Diazepan to slow my mind down so i can
> interact with others and be more grounded. Any sugestions on how to
> throw the pills to the toilet, because as good as they may seem i know
> they don't do me any good at all.
I have advice. I was "forced" to take pills for awhile. You are
probably addicted to the downers. The dependancy is probably chemical,
but I would suggest you ask a physician about getting off medication.
There is only way to solve is problem of "mania". You must think
more slowly. You know this. You need techniques. Don't walk. Walking
increases the heartbeat and works the brain. Put yourself in an
environment where there are few distractions and all stimuli in your
external environment are constant or expected. Put your body in as low an
energy state as you can (lie down.)
Realize that no matter what anyone has told you, you are quite
capable of controlling your own thoughts and you have been doing it all
your life. With this realizition, fast thoughts should not generate fear.
If fear is generated, determine the source of the fear and counteract it
as you would any fear (thought, action...) before you attempt to control
the fast thoughts. Realize that all fast thoughts are is the rapid firing
of neurons in your brain. This rapid firing is fueled by glucose.
Radioactive glucose will be more highly concentrated in your brain than
around other neurons in the body. This glucose will show up on a PET
(CAT?) scan. Do not let a psychiatrist see a scan with high brain
activity or you may be marked for life. Realize that if you are in a
"sterile" environment, and are not being excited physically, most neural
excitement will be merely the result of current neural activity. If you
are not experiencing thoughts then you are experience excitement.
If you are experiencing excitement, it may be because of the
thoughts you are creating. Are you experiencing control over the
thoughts? If you are not, "take control" of those thoughts by realizing
that they are the result of the vibrations of your neurons. Are the
thoughts exciting? If you are thinking about sex, money, war, crime, a
disturbing memory, a disturbing possible future, or an exciting invention,
realize that you can continue the thought later and will not lose it.
Realize that you are in control of your thoughts, and to believe that your
thoughts are not controlled by you, but are controlled by something you
have no control over such as a vague concept known as "brain chemical
imbalances" or another person, or anything in your external environment is
a delusion. Take responsibility for your thoughts. Stop caring about
what you concerns you at the moment. Detach from it. Keep yourself in a
safe stable environment so detachment is possible and safe. You have
learned detachment most likely. Get plenty of sleep. If your thoughts
are keeping you from sleeping, follow the above procedure without fear of
failure because as long as you are alive, you can influence your thoughts
with equal skill at all times. To decrease your concern for your safety,
I would suggest checking your heartbeat. If it is above 190, you may be
in anaerobic range which means you are breathing very quickly. If you are
breathing very quickly, pranayama will bring this under control or cause
you to lose consciousness which will terminate your conscious thought. I
would suggest slowing your breathing over passing out though. If your
heart is within acceptable limits, you should not be concerned about the
speed of your thoughts and should direct your focus to your body. If your
body is in pain, continue to decrease your heartbeat by detaching from
your thoughts or controlling your breathing until the pain in the body is
gone. If you are asleep, that's ok. If your heartbeat increases, you are
doing something wrong and must try something else. The most important
thing in controlling autonomic processes is confidence. If you believe
you can slow your heart and your breathing, you will succeed. If you
believe that your efforts will fail, attempt to speed your heart and you
may experience enough success at failing to believe that you can succeed
at succeeding. If you still fail, consult a physician for biofeedback
equipment or give up and use a medicine, it can't hurt that much can it?
If you really really can't do anything else to solve your problem,
alternate between reading this email message and the side-effects on the
bottles of medication that you are taking until you no longer care what
they say. At this point, you will probably be bored enough that your
heart rate is low. Sweet dreams.
Disclaimer: I have only a high school education. I don't have any
work experience in psychology. I have been wrong in the past. If
anything I have said is different from advice given by someone with more
education than I have, I would have a serious conversation with this
person before attempting to control your own thoughts. If you have
questions, consult a physician or a psychiatrist.
Dan
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 21:39:42 -0500
From: Louis Conjar <lconjarATnospamerols.com>
To: Jack <sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: genuine or delusion
Message-ID: <34B58DEE.698CATnospamerols.com>
Jack wrote:
>
> I think we know we are not delusional. Something very impoortant has
> been happening to a whole lot of us and I am very excited about it.
> There are a lot of very genuine people on this list who are evolving.
> We are pioneers! Cha Cha Cha
>
> The kicker for me was not having heard about any of this until it
> happened to me. Found this list and was amazed that all had similar
> experiences, to the point that I could expect what was coming next.
> That was validation to me, salvation actually. And a hell of a lot of
> fun to boot : )>
>
> Jack
Ditto for me. My Kundalini Awakening had been incredibly robust and
continual for almost a year before I found "The Stormy Search For The
Self" by the Grofs. That made me think that perhaps it was Kundalini
(which I had never heard of before). When I found Bonnie Greenwell's
"Energies of Transformation: A Guide to the Kundalini Process" and saw
that I had experienced almost every single "symptom" she had outlined,
including Samahdi, there was no longer any doubt.
--
Louis Conjar - Dynamic Expansion Institute, Inc.
"All Your Spiritual and Financial Needs In One Place"
lconjarATnospamerols.com - http://www.deimarket.com
410-385-9500 - fax 410-654-9587
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 21:47:46 -0500
From: Louis Conjar <lconjarATnospamerols.com>
To: Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin.umich.edu>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Summary
Message-ID: <34B58FD2.75D3ATnospamerols.com>
Daniel James Giszczak wrote:
>
> I have learned everything I can from the kundalini experience and
> from being on this list. I will leave soon. Here is what I learned from
> the list:
>
> 1) People who experience kundalini have a time when they first started
> having kundalini experiences. This time is called an awakening. An
> awakening is a lucid dream that is overlayed on top of reality. The dream
> is based on things in traditional reality that most people don't notice in
> addition to having large amounts of non-sensory-related, psychological
> dream-type elements that vary from person to person.
>
> 2) After awakening, the person has learned how to lucid dream and can
> later willfully experience states of mind similar to what the person had
> experienced during the awakening experience.
>
> 3) Most kundalini experiencers are oversensitive to their bodies and
> experience pain more intensely because they focus on it.
>
> 4) Kundalini experiencers can be detached and avoid emotion.
>
> 5) Most experiencers have "fantasy-prone personalities" (icky, clinical
> term), have high hypnotic ability, and excel in autohypnosis ability.
>
> If anyone cares, I have short, scientific theories to explain any
> psychic ability you can name.
> Dan
Thank you, Dan. After the day I've had, I needed a good shot of humor.
(I'm sorry, I couldn't resist);-)
--
Louis Conjar - Dynamic Expansion Institute, Inc.
"All Your Spiritual and Financial Needs In One Place"
lconjarATnospamerols.com - http://www.deimarket.com
410-385-9500 - fax 410-654-9587
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