1998/01/05 07:58
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #6
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 6
Today's Topics:
Re: Benefits of Kundalini [ onarresATnospaminreach.com ]
Re: MUST [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ]
Re: HRTZEN: Other Paths? [ Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospamkeynes.bryant ]
7th opening, Tibetans & tantra [ ori <oriATnospameskimo.com> ]
Re: MUST [ Wilathi Weaver <AthenaATnospamreninet.com> ]
Re: MUST [ Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic ]
Re: MUST [ Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic ]
Re: Unsubscribe [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistres ]
Re: Sadism *also* female Pheromones [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistres ]
Re: Welcome! [ Afperry <AfperryATnospamaol.com> ]
Futile? [ Gene Kieffer <gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com> ]
Exceptions [ Gene Kieffer <gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com> ]
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 18:58:37 -0800
From: onarresATnospaminreach.com
To: SchrLL <SchrLLATnospamaol.com>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Benefits of Kundalini
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>dor,
>What a nice surprise to find your message waiting. My computer was down
for a few days while my husband was installing Windows 95. Sure is nice to
be married to a computer programmer. Your article got me curious. You wrote
of all the uncomfortable feelings but what were the good feelings? Did
your health improve? Mine did.
>Love and Light, Linda
>
Hi Linda,
I was pleasantly surprised to see the excerpt from your book in the January
- February issue of Shared Transformations. List members may remember the
article of which we speak first appeared on the Kundalini list in answer to
Evan's request on information on how to awaken the K. I wonder if anyone
ever heard from Evan, and what his decision was? Maybe we frightened him away!
In response to your question; Health wise, I've always been fairly healthy,
but now I can sidestep the flu season without any problem. Other benefits?
Well, since Shaki decided to give me a wake up call, I have become
clairsentient, which has its drawbacks. Some psychic abilities, I never
know when they will come in, I don't look for them - they just happen.
Seems I access information as I need it, sometimes it is just a knowing...
also being able to figure things out more rapidly. And of course, the past
life drama that is seen from time to time.
Lately I have had some very powerful sensations, that leads me into a form
of meditation - which I've never done before. It has become what one may
call a blissful state, usually after I go to bed. The latest one which I
perceive to be egg shaped that starts at the lower abdominal area - up to
the solar plexus, which does a lot of vibrating, I have not figured out
that one as yet, but is different and almost pleasant. Ida and Pingala
finally kissed and made up, so that means not much in the back burning
department. In general, all of the uncomfortable sensations have
disappeared and have been replaced with a wonderful sense of being. I can
move energy up the spine to the crown chakra (as I wish) with no problem,
or circulate it wherever it may be needed. There is sometimes a 'pop' that
I can hear - in both the head and the solar plexus or heart area - but
nothing uncomfortable. So, like many of my brothers and sisters on the
path, I am progressing, step by step, day by day.
BTW, it was a wonderful excerpt, and I believe you shared some of it with
the K list some time ago... I don't easily forget something written so
beautifully.
Love and Light dor
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 22:21:00 -0500
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
CC: HeartZen <heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com>
Subject: Re: MUST
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Gene Kieffer wrote:
> What began this discussion was the question: "How can science best
> set about to verify the existence of Kundalini?"
Dear Gene,
Science lies in the minds of men.
Kundalini in the Mind of the Divine.
Is not ones' awareness testimony to the Divine?
Here is the greatest proof of All.
> We don't want Kundalini to be kept a secret.
Nor does She.
Making information available is certainly a valuable and worthwhile
event,
But as far as convincing people, if the miracle of ones' own existence
doesn't do the trick, what will?
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 22:39:35 -0800
From: Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospamkeynes.bryant.edu>
To: david.bozziATnospamsnet.net
Cc: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>, heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com,
shalomATnospamcheerful.com
Subject: Re: HRTZEN: Other Paths?
Message-Id: <34B08027.57BATnospamkeynes.bryant.edu>
David makes an important point and I wish to elaborate. The path of
Kundalini Yoga for many aspirants involves at times dramatic and strong
and extra-ordinary experiences of Superconscious states. It is easy to
get carried away and think.."This is it. This is the only way for
everyone." But however fascinating the Kundalini manifestations are to
the mind, as the student matures spiritually, he or she seeks the Source
of the Shakti. Only then the nature of Self is realized and Peace is
gained. People criticize other paths confidently. Why? Last month
someone criticized praying to God. Such criticisms are without merit.
Sincere prayers have a great power. People have asked how can someone be
Self-Realized without first awakening the Kundalini. Well first you
experience the Self and then you will know. I have said many times
before that Self and Shakti are two sides of the Same Coin. One may
start at either end, the result is the same. Even after hearing it some
wish to remain rigid and narrow in their perspective. Fine. But it is
better to reflect and practice. David is completely correct.
Self-Realization is not an achievement or an attainment. All
achievements and attainments are conditioned by space and time and are
lost. By giving too much importance to achievements pertaining to
Kundalini manifestations and Superconscious states, we miss the
essential nature of who we Truly Are.
Harsha
David Bozzi wrote:
>
> Gene Kieffer wrote:
>
> > if that person achieves Enlightenment or Self-Realization,
> > or Cosmic Consciousness, he or she must have awakened Kundalini.
>
> Kundalini must have awakened "him" or "her".
> Persons do not "achieve" Enlightenment.
> Self-Realization reveals the illusionary nature of the personal.
>
> Warmest Intent
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 21:39:51 -0800
From: ori <oriATnospameskimo.com>
To: Kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: 7th opening, Tibetans & tantra
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A time of Attunement to higher frequencies
This weekend my 7th chakra has been
opening or twitching or something ;)
Been directed toward 2 different eye focuses--
first one was looking up through the crown of the head.
I quite easily focus at the 3rd eye... but found myself receiving
a suggestion to raise the focus upward. Wow. I'm still trying to
get to the point where I can sustain it.
Then curiously enough I was directed to look straight ahead focusing
out of each eye individually. This is very different than focusing
the eyes on a single point and allow them to go blurry. I'm not sure
the purpose of this yet, but it was suggested as a tool for viewing
that in between place.
And my crystals talk to me and tell me where to put them and a
crystal bell insists that I ring it over objects to assist me in
assessing the karmic density of energy and helps me decide whether
to release something or to keep it. Releasing much which has any
cords to the past. Moving fully into present time.
And the Tibetans are contacting me through the inner planes.
I seem to be a student of Tantric Cave Dwellers. Meditations and
Tantric rites deep in the caves of the Himalayas with ancient
passageways leading to wormholes through time and space. They contact
me and instruct me in the subtle ways, including instruction in tantra
which I've never read anywhere and yet what they convey to me feels so
right and once revealed is clearly "truth" even though unknown to me
yesterday. This is reaching to cosmic proportions and is getting a
little overwhelmingly awe-full.
Even as I'm bouncing up against the edges of my current limits,
and beginning to feel a little overwhelmed, I recognize that this too
is part of the process, and the important thing is not to get caught up
in the images and happenings and phenomenon which surround me, but to
continue through practice to connect the channel and keep the energy
flow pure.
To attempt to put this is words is very awesome... I'm trying to learn
to allow without judgement these miraculous events, and simply report
the action in a descriptive way without (too much) commentary.
--ori
ori oriATnospameskimo.com
http://www.eskimo.com/~ori/ori.html
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 98 22:56:01 +0100
From: Wilathi Weaver <AthenaATnospamreninet.com>
To: <hlutharATnospamkeynes.bryant.edu>, "anandajyoti" <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>
cc: <NancyATnospamwtp.net>, "kundalini-1" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>,
"Gene Kieffer" <gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com>,
"heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com" <heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com>
Subject: Re: MUST
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Dear all: I dont understand why we have to prove anything. Are we not
trying to realize ourselves? If we need proof, than we have no faith. We
might as well say we don't belive in ourselves as to require proof for
our beliefs. The very foundation of all religions is that they are a
faith. Indeed it is a requirement. This is why a perfect master will
never use his god realized powers to convert anyone. True god
realization has to come from within. It is never coerced. If you want
to realize god, you must surrender and love. If you cannot surrender and
love you are not ready for god.
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 02:56:55 -0600
From: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: MUST
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sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net (Jack) wrote:
>Does anyone else see the folly in this--Objectively verifying
>kundalini? How can we verify that of spirit. To want to objectively
>verify it is to completely misunderstand its nature.
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
>----------------------------
>Science, shows us morphological resonance within the animal kingdom
>but denies the ability to humans.
>
>Science, shows us phenomenal effects of certain chemicals and
>glandular secretions such as adrenalin but deny these effects when
>confronted with extraordinary results.
>
>Science has no problem pulling theory out of thin air, and making
>those theories fit mathematical postulates. Hence, the Atom, ever see
>one ? They don't exist. Particles, Quantum Physics, relativity, time ?
>All made up, they don't exist.
Well, they exist as much as anything else in this "real world." Science
does have its place.
>
>Religion has no problem with the instantaneous transmutation of
>matter, parthenogenesis, teleportation, resurrection, and
>pre-cognition. Much of this is dogma. But these abilities lie with the
>inner circle of saints, mullahs, lamas and preists. Lay people need
>not concern themselves with these mysteries.
If you don't try it, you WON'T be able to do it.
>
>Bring this gentleman and myself into the lab and let us do our
>thing. No ? A waste of time and resources, you say ? These resources
>are needed to study the mating habits of penguins ? I see.
>
Ingo Swann went into the lab and did his thing for the scientists, and they
documented his gifts, particularly in long-distance seeing. Wrote a book
about it - Green and somebody, I forget. A visiting yogi went into the
same labs, let himself be wired up to the machines, and stopped his heart,
then started it up again. Olga Worrell, the healer, went into a lab, put
her hands on a cloud chamber, and produced a stream of particles.
These things have been beneficial in acquainting the general public with
such matters, as well as assuring other scientists and psychic/spiritual
newbies that the phenomena are "real." Such books have helped to change
the climate of thought, which is far different than 20 years ago or more.
If a scientist wants to study you, why not go into the lab? It can't hurt
and it might be of benefit to the world.
For anyone interested, Lee Sannella gives in his book a list of questions
"formulated for doctors and researchers exploring the ... physio-kundalini
processes." He invites anyone to participate by sending "your case history
and any relevant information, including the place, date, and (if known)
time of your birth" to Sannella at 175 Cascade Court, Rohnert Park, CA
94928. (This is in the 1992 edition of his book, which he updates from
time to time.)
Ann
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 02:51:02 -0600
From: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Cc: heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Subject: Re: MUST
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Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com> wrote:
>freda wrote:
>>
>> Nonsense? You think that is nonsense? Have your family and friends tried
>> to have you commited?...
>
>Freda, hi, Gloria here:
>Sounds like you had the same experience as Yogi Tom, and he was put into
>a hosptial by his folks. ...I've learned
>very early on when to speak and when to be silent, and whereas my family
>know I'm very different I don't go into big details about things with
>them.
>
>I've also been very public, ... The book I'm doing now, however, is about
>the kundalini
>awakening, and I suspect there will be some challenges in bringing it
>out. The list is wonderful because people are having the relationship
>with kundalini and finding an avenue in which they can release their
>thoughts and experiences to others. This is very important, and I think
>before the world will open up to become aware of this, it has to go
>through some attitude changes. Do you all agree?
>And perhaps, we need to find the language to communicate it through?
>Gloria
>>
I'm sorry about the experiences some of you have gone through. But I do
think it's important - WHEN YOU CAN - to speak up about kundalini.
Years ago, I wanted to speak up about my experience with psychiatrists, but
my husband, a minister, said, "Oh my God, I'll be fired if anyone thinks
we've seen a psychiatrist!" So we kept our secret, but when I was single,
I did talk about it and encouraged people to seek help for smaller problems
before they grew into bigger ones. Now the world has changed and therapy's
an OK thing to talk about.
So now I mention the kundalini process as if it's a perfectly normal thing
to be involved in. Easy for me to say, I know - I'm 61, my kids don't
think I'm whacked, and there's nobody else who could push me around. And
nowadays I'm mostly around people involved in healing and meditation, etc.
But I think it helps to change the climate of opinion - and when my kids
have a kundalini experience, they'll know who they can talk to.
Today I was at a workshop on geomagnetic stuff, and we were asked to
introduce ourselves and tell something about our fields, past experiences,
etc. So when I gave my little spiel, I tacked on, "And now in the last
year or two I'm into the kundalini process." Would you believe nobody
blinked! Nobody looked shocked or even surprised.
Ann
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 11:35:43
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: "F. Drew " <leydaATnospamvalunet.com>
Cc: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Unsubscribe
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At 11:40 04/01/98 -0500, F. Drew wrote:
>Good Morning:
>
>Could someone tell me how to unsubscribe ?
>
>Thank You
>*
>Drew
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Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 02:06:37
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: "mohamed omar" <yogi_artATnospamhotmail.com>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Sadism *also* female Pheromones and K.
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At 06:28 04/01/98 PST, mohamed omar wrote:
>Anybody knows about Sadism?
Hey, Mohamed, did you know the List Mystress is a professional Domintrix
with several slaves of both genders? Your intuition sent you to the right
place to inquire, but I suspect most listmembers do not want this topic
discussed in too much detail on the list.
On the topic of sadism and K., tho.. my sessions cause K.A., and I find
that there is something in the dynamic of dominance and submission that
makes the different energies unite into a single feeling being, spiritual
unity. When the two become one and half the one is awakened.. the other
half awakens by mirroring, it seems..
Someone on the list who may prefer not to be named, has offered the
suggestion that perhaps I have been led to rediscover a nearly lost form of
Tantric Shaktipat. Cool!
These days tho, since my "spring tune up" with Grandma Devi, my healing
touch, even simply my prescence and now even the meditation posted on my
website are provoking K.A. too, which makes the puzzle harder to unravel.
>I know a girl now , she likes to be bitten up during sex.
Not very unusual, it is part of our early evolutionary wiring.. many
animals do that, even herbivores, like horses, bite the mares during sex.
More to it, with the higher mammals, tho.. and these thoughts are shared
along the line of Susan's suggested topic of female sexuality..
Some time ago, I read of a strange discovery.. women being raped often
spontaneously ovulate, even outside of their normal cycles. This was
deduced from the way-above-average pregnancy rates resulting from rape.
This puzzled me: why are children more easily concieved by rape than by
loving sex? My first theory was that nature simply likes to take advantage
of opportunites for different DNA combinations, and species survival needs
favor agressive genes. Didn't feel like a very good answer tho..
Last night, I was reading a Matriarchal magazine that had an article
about Bonobo monkeys, a close relative of the chimpanzee, that is our
species closest relative. It is one of the few species where the females
are sexually receptive, and the males active, all the time. These monkeys
make love to say hello and goodbye and good morning and get well soon.. and
are completely bisexual.
It said that it has been discovered that female bonobo monkeys, in
response to being attacked by male monkeys from another troop in a
territorial dispute, will immediately go into estrus (ovulate) to distract
the male monkeys from violence with sex, and so protect their babies from
being killed.
Yet, since female humans and female bobobo monkeys both are sexually
available always, and both show no outward physical signs of ovulating, why
do it? I think the key to that is pheromones: little scent particles that
humans make, to communicate unconsciously with other humans. A woman who is
ovulating is radiating the scent of fertility, nature's own aprodisaic.
Self defense by unconscious chemical warfare.. and a submissive woman, in
her slave state radiates a scent/energy that is unmistakable and sexually
intoxicating. Bite her and feel her melt under your teeth, and then notice
how she smells... pheromones are too subtle to be detected by the nose,
usually.. but your brain and organ will notice an immediate difference.
The whole sex-and-violence connection is wired deep into human responses,
well beyond the reach of conscious control. Connecting to those deep wires
with role playing games is very potent stuff.
Writing this post, this morning, I had a huge K-flare of information about
sex and violence and pheromones.. thankyou for the inspiration. Had to stop
typing and move around.
One bit of that inspired info, is that science can prove K. by the change
in pheromone production after awakening.. awakened folks smell different.
Betcha, betcha they do.. the smell of the awakened ones has been commented
on in many ancient texts, eh? The scent of roses mysteriously wafting from
the Guru..
I think that might also be a part of the hostility we sometimes
experience for being "different", especially for those of us awakened as
children. Those who work conserving wild animals know: it is often the
animal's instinct, to kill it's offspring if they longer smell right, if
they become tainted by the scent of human contact.
To answer the question I feel being asked by listmembers, dominants also
have pheromones.. I know one awakened submissive friend who chooses her
"tops" by if they have a certain "smell".. she cannot describe the smell,
but she knows when she smells it by how her body responds.
During the delicous amazing K.flare this morning, I stopped to chat with
my slave druid about my conjectures.. he noticed first, that my eyes had
gone from hazel to golden, and then wanting to get closer, he stood behind
my chair to see my monitor and kissed my head.. and the smell of my hair
gave him a potent, immediate sexual/submissive reaction. Boom! Goddess
pheromones.. K-fire makes you sweat.. betcha the energy in this post has
caused a sweat reaction in a few folks.. notice, K.sweat smells different,
than excercise sweat or sauna sweat.. and folks who have been awakened a
long while notice that the need to bathe and use deodorant, to smell good
and be clean, decreases dramatically.
>She said she likes the feeling of being slave!
>Anybody knows what is the pleasure of being slave?
Anyone who has been awakened knows the pleasure of surrender.. that
moment of faith when you realize Goddess is in control, and always will be,
and that She has better plans for you than you could ever think of for
yourself. Relax utterly, no decisions for you to make, only submit to the
will of Goddess. Bliss out. Goddess' will may feel cruel sometimes, but
trust that She really has your highest good in mind, turns it to bliss
also. So it can be with submission games played by humans, if there is love
and trust.
Realize tho.. it is a game, right? Otherwise why would she be telling you
what to do to please her? Heh? She says she is the slave, but she is
training you to be her Master, for her own pleasure. This is normal.. for
the game. Kids may play cops and robbers, adults may play slave and master.
Have fun. Be careful.
>Is this a psychologic disease ?
(smile) Depends on how old the book is, that you look it up in.. find one
that is old enough, it will tell you that masturbation is a disease.
Psychiatry is a very young science, always changing it's mind about things
as children do.. as they learn. Recently, the psychiatric "powers that be",
decided that sado-maschochism of the type you describe is a normal
variation, humans really do come in all shapes and sizes of sexual needs,
and different no longer automatically means crazy.
If she takes pride in the marks your teeth leave, this is normal, like
taking pride in a sports injury.
If you are getting suicide threats, ("I cannot live without you", is
something I NEVER want to hear..) or requests to strangle her into
unconsciousness, then you worry about her being crazy.. she's too genuinely
self destructive for it to be a game.
>I am wondering if I can have any information about sadism..
>
Get thee to my website, (presuming you are over 18) which discusses many
of the emotional and psychological motives for those who seek to be
enslaved by those they love. Address in the sig.
Please please please, if you are going to get involved in these games any
further than biting, find someone experienced to teach you how to play
safely!! You can find some education on the net: check my links page, but
reading about it is not the same as learning safe play from a workshop or
demonstration.
Humans are at once very robust and very delicate creatures: a handcuff
can cause bruised nerves that can result in hand paralysis.. a badly placed
slap can bruise a kidney.. someone left alone tied spreadeagled on their
back can choke to death on their own spit in moments, being unable to turn
over to save themselves.. remember how Jimi Hendrix died, and do lots of
research to make sure you are never responsible for serously injuring
someone: your beloved! Thru ignorance!
You are the Master: safety is your responsibility. Necks are delicate,
shoulder muscles are the better place to bite..
Do not try to get an education from porn: most of it is faked, fiction,
not ever meant to be really happening to a loved one. Like, don't try to
jump onto a moving train just coz they do in your favorite action flick!
Hope this helps, and I haven't shocked anyone.. if you have more
questions, it might be best to email me directly.
Blessings, Mystress.
>
>
>
Mystress Angelique Serpent,
Dominant Experiential Facilitator.
Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent
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Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 06:02:35 EST
From: Afperry <AfperryATnospamaol.com>
To: annfisherATnospamstic.net
Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Welcome!
Message-ID: <af3786c.34b0bdcdATnospamaol.com>
Dear Ann,
Thanks for the welcome. I'm just slowly reading myself into this List and
seeing what/where/how/why/whether/when I can contribute!
I'm no expert, just a K. practitioner with an 11 year track record who teaches
from the benefit of that experience, helping others to bring about self-
transformation through meditation and devotional yoga. A bit like you,
perhaps, although you've been at it a lot, lot longer?
To me, K. underscores everything in spiritual life: it's just that some people
know that and others do not...........................YET!
Blessings,
Alan
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 09:37:49 -0500 (EST)
From: Gene Kieffer <gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com>
To: NancyATnospamwtp.net
Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Subject: Futile?
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NANCY WROTE:
. . . . >So, Gene, it's not that I have my mind made up about scientific
proof. >just think proving something spiritual is futile.
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Dear Nancy,
Futile to you, perhaps, but not futile to others. What we K-people
should try to do, little by little, is expand our view of the world.
We tend to be egocentric, and that's perfectly understandable. But
after a few years of talking about "our experiences," as though we were
in some way special or unique, begins to become weary. At that point,
it would be good to read something by somebody who was Enlightened.
There may not be very much literature on "twin flames," though it
seems to me that there is plenty of that, but there certainly is a lot
of good books by Enlightened men and women.
Best wishes,
gene
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 09:37:51 -0500 (EST)
From: Gene Kieffer <gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com>
To: fredaATnospamblarg.net
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com,
hlutharATnospamkeynes.bryant.edu
Subject: Exceptions
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Dear Freda,
It is easy to see that we K-people are in every way exceptional.
Artists, writers, physicists, lawyers, etc., all subject their work to
the critics. This is common practice all over the world. But K-people
have their own religion which cannot be "known" by anybody else because
nobody else will understand. We alone are different, unique, honored,
delighted with ourselves, take no notice of others, feel blessed, live
outside the norm, and in every way stand above the herd. We ARE
special. Don't let science in on our little secret!
All the best,
gene
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