1997/12/24 19:55
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #860
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 860
Today's Topics:
Re: Women & Genius [a bit of a rant] [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ]
Re: Female Urddhvaretas [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: Your "Light Body" ? [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: Women & Genius [a bit of a rant] [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: Spine Chills... [ Morgana Wyze <morganaATnospambest.com> ]
Re[2]: Spine Chills... [ "Jeremy Chevrier" <jeremy_chevrierATnospam ]
Re: Female Urddhvaretas [ sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net (Jack) ]
Kundalini and Sexual Energy... [ "Jeremy Chevrier" <jeremy_chevrierATnospam ]
Re: Another Perspective [ Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospamkeynes.bryant ]
Requiem & Apologia [ Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu> ]
Re: love as trigger [ Druout <DruoutATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Urdhava-retas [ Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospamkeynes.bryant ]
Re: Urdhava-retas [ Druout <DruoutATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Women & Genius [a bit of a rant] [ Nancy <NancyATnospamwtp.net> ]
Re: Women & Genius [a bit of a rant] [ "F. Drew " <leydaATnospamvalunet.com> ]
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 13:22:47 -0600
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Women & Genius [a bit of a rant]
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M wrote:
>How many women would emerge as great geniuses if they had wives to feed them
>like that? Suppose Gopi Krishna's wife had been the one with time to
>meditate? Would he have waited on her?
A constant question for me. My present husband is pretty supportive, but I
think I have lost most of the "juice" that would propell me to any kind of
achievement. Now I mostly look foward to retirement when I no longer have
to work at a job I hate.
When I was young and had plenty of "juice" my parents gave me a really nice
chemistry set (which I had asked for) for Christmas. One of the first
things I did was make a stink bomb that went off in the basement. My
father, the Marine, promptly confiscated my wonderful toy and I never saw
it again. I often wonder "what if" I could now be a happy scientist instead
of a disgruntled school district employee. I suspect that if I had been a
boy he would have chalked it up to "boys will be boys," and I would've
gotten that toy back eventually. The old man was always bitterly
disappointed that he had 4 daughters and no sons. My being the oldest meant
I was the first and deepest disappointment.
This is the frustration that I deal with now. It is really too late to
start over and think that I will have enough money to survive on (let alone
be comfortable) in my old age. Sorry to be a downer, but I'm still mad that
I was having "fun fun fun til my daddy took my chemistry set away..."
Unfortunately, it is not always just the men we choose that keep us down
but the one we were stuck with at birth. It kills me when I see fathers
paying for their daughter's college educations, etc. My parents knew I had
a genius level IQ, but rather than encouraging my development, they treated
me like I was a freak of nature.
Sorry again for the rant, I'll listen to you rant too, if it'll help.
sincerely,
amckeon
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 10:48:17 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Jack <sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Female Urddhvaretas
Message-ID: <34A0DA61.4AB8ATnospamintercomm.com>
Jack wrote:
>
> Back in the late sixties early seventies when I was in school, there
> were studies going on at Harvard Medical School . The studies
> concerned the Lymphatic System and the effect of racemic M1 receptors
> on reuptake of nor-epinephrine and serotonin. An offshoot of this
> study was born due to lab results of the test subjects.
Gloria:
Thanks for sharing that Jack, what is your book about?
>
>
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 11:14:19 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Ed Arrons <eeaATnospamaug.com>
CC: Kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Your "Light Body" ?
Message-ID: <34A0E079.2ACEATnospamintercomm.com>
Ed Arrons wrote:
>
> Lately I have been contemplating the development of the 'light body', or
> whatever is the next quantum step up in frequency from the physical.
>
> The development of this body would seem to be a commonality in all religions
> and spiritual paths, and could be the platform or matrix from
> which to begin the actual work of creating spiritual unity in its diversity.
>
> It seems that more attention given to this development would lead to
> discussions which are clearer, more cohesive, and less caught up in semantic
> bias.
>
> What does your religion or spiritual perspective have to say about your "Light
> Body"?
Hi Ed,
\ You actually build your spiritual body through consciousness change
and bringing down and manifesting this awareness while in the body.
These bodies are used for spiritual movement away from the body each for
different purpose. That which is known as bilocation is actually
manifested by projecting a spiritual light form to another phyical
local. Beyond this spiritual energies are used to enter parallel
realities, and other dimensions. My experience away from the body
involves actually utilizing this awareness and bringing it back into the
conscious mind. Is this what you are referring to? Gloria
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at:
http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/
&
http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/
Hope you enjoy them!
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 11:20:13 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Women & Genius [a bit of a rant]
Message-ID: <34A0E1DB.6AB0ATnospamintercomm.com>
I know that sometimes it seems like we made bad choises or someone did
us wrong, but it really isn't so. We need a certain environment for
growth which we seek. And, in this we grow, it may also change the way
you treat your children and they treat theirs. You can never second
guess how the karmic condition is working out, and also how it will come
together in the end.
We are all blessed beyond anything we can recognize, do have a great
holiday all. We are off to our daughters for Christmas Eve. Gloria
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 11:30:15 -0800
From: Morgana Wyze <morganaATnospambest.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Spine Chills...
Message-ID: <34A162C7.531EATnospambest.com>
Jeremy Chevrier wrote:
>
> I have experienced "Chills" of energy wrigling up my spine in a snake
> like fashion all of my life. The chills are so intense that my body
> shakes and jerks a bit. I get about 40 of these "chills" a day. I
> get them more in cold weather. I also can induce a chill by pumping
> my perenium muscle(between genitals and anus).
It does seem to be kundalini-related. I get them also, but I can
generate a hot wave too. I have to focus on the right side to get the
heat, while the chills just happen. The cold seems to be associated
with old sorrow or fear, which releases with the chills. Also, If I
"lean" out of my body too much to peek at something energetic in
another person I get the chills.
Morgana
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 97 12:25:38 PST
From: "Jeremy Chevrier" <jeremy_chevrierATnospamccmlink.dph.sf.ca.us>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re[2]: Spine Chills...
Message-Id: <9711248829.AA882995204ATnospamccmlink.dph.sf.ca.us>
Are you saying that the chills I get are cold chills related to old
sorrow and grief?
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Subject: Re: Spine Chills...
Author: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com at ~DPH-INTERNET-MAIL
Date: 12/24/97 11:34 AM
Jeremy Chevrier wrote:
>
> I have experienced "Chills" of energy wrigling up my spine in a snake
> like fashion all of my life. The chills are so intense that my body
> shakes and jerks a bit. I get about 40 of these "chills" a day. I
> get them more in cold weather. I also can induce a chill by pumping
> my perenium muscle(between genitals and anus).
It does seem to be kundalini-related. I get them also, but I can
generate a hot wave too. I have to focus on the right side to get the
heat, while the chills just happen. The cold seems to be associated
with old sorrow or fear, which releases with the chills. Also, If I
"lean" out of my body too much to peek at something energetic in
another person I get the chills.
Morgana
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 20:24:27 GMT
From: sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net (Jack)
To: lodpressATnospamintercomm.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Female Urddhvaretas
Message-ID: <34a56f76.20747898ATnospammailhost.worldnet.att.net>
Gloria:
Thanks for sharing that Jack, what is your book about?
Nancy and I are collaborating on it. " Twin Flames " how it relates to
K, other levels of consciousness, ESP Phenomenae, quantum physics,
synchronicity, reincarnation, and several different philosophies. How
to recognize it and how to find out more about it. We are hoping to
include 10-12 TF stories from different perspectives such as same
gender, wide variance in age and how culture may affect it. Included
will be our own personal perspectives. We both are going through this
at the same time and are supporting eachother.
One story particularly fascinates me, it was being related to me by a
native American gentleman, it had to do with 3 shells and 3 stones.
Unfortunately, halfway through the story his TF asked him to stop as
she thought the story was personal and just belonged to them. Now I am
researching some SW Native American lore to see if I can find a
cultural relation or similar legend.
It amazes me how all these stories have a similar vein running through
them. I am also beginning to see a pattern concerning the psychology
of spousal abuse and divorce.
If anything it's an education in itself. I just hope we can do justice
to the subject.
Happy Holidays, to all.
Jack
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 97 12:33:02 PST
From: "Jeremy Chevrier" <jeremy_chevrierATnospamccmlink.dph.sf.ca.us>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Kundalini and Sexual Energy...
Message-Id: <9711248829.AA882995817ATnospamccmlink.dph.sf.ca.us>
I believe that virility is important in the path of Kundalini Yoga.
Does anyon know of good virility foods, herbs, or supplements? I am
expecially interested in strange and exotic things from foreign
countries. For example, I already know about Ginsing.... Also, let
me clarify, I'm not interested in something that will stimulate the
sexual organs, I'm interested in TONICS.
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 15:49:59 -0800
From: Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospamkeynes.bryant.edu>
To: Dieter Dambiec <d.dambiecATnospamstudent.canberra.edu.au>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Another Perspective
Message-Id: <34A19FA7.61CCATnospamkeynes.bryant.edu>
Dieter Dambiec wrote:
>
> (The trance/awareness of
> indeterminate absorption or total suspension of the
> mind - Nirvikalpa Samadhi). Due to the absence of any binding principle
> this state is called the
> state of Objectlessness. This state is verbally inexpressible because....
>
> This state of objectlessness being beyond the orbit of mind, it is not
> mentally apprehensible. It is the Absolute Bliss where there is no knower
> or known.
Harsha answers: Dieter, your understanding is intellectual only.
Nirvikalpa Samadhi is not a state where there is no knower and known. It
is a state where the KNOWER and the KNOWN are IDENTICAL. Nirvikalpa
means without thought or doubt or mental modification. Absence of mental
modification in Nirvikalpa Samadhi allows for the Clear Recognition of
the Self. Self is both the Knower and the Known without any duality.
Nirvikalpa Samadhi is the state of Full and Complete Consciousness. If
it was a state that is beyond understanding, Sages such as Shankracharya
and Ramana Maharishi would not be able to speak of it. Such is not the
case. The mind can continue to exist and function after Nirvikalpa
Samadhi. And through the existing mental functions, the Sage can teach
and experience. The Sage may weep or laugh or eat or sleep or dream. All
those things are due to mental modifications. After Self-Realization,
the mind is seen as existing but not separate from the Self. The Self
Knows Itself even though the mind still exists. It is due to the
presence of the Mind, (until the departure from the body), that
Knowledge of the Self can be passed on by the Realized beings to others
who seek such knowledge.
Harsha
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 11:15:30 -1000
From: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
To: Gene Kieffer <gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com>
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Requiem & Apologia
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Dear Gene:
My reply is very lengthy.... I do thank you for this letter.
I am much relieved to see your change in tone and attitude. Thank you for
this humility. I have read a lot more of what you have written to the
list , and I do understand you a little more. I feel a great deal of fire
in your quest to make the K. better known in the world.
I would venture to suggest that this desire of yours iswhat is getting you
into impatient behavior which is creating the necessity of apology.
I think Buddha said that desire is the root of suffering...QED.
I do not think the Goddess Kundalini needs any recognition among the
general population... she has been around for thousands of years
and will be around for thousands more..those that experience it will
believe it... those that do not will simply be unable to relate to it
and will create all kinds of words and images about something they can
never fully understand. How can you convey an experience to someone who
has never had the experience and may never have it...like trying to
describe green to a blind man!
The scriptures say over and over, "It is by experience only" that one can
know the truth. Your efforts would be much better spent doing what my guru
did.. Muktananda.. and that is GIVING the experience to as many people as
you can, so that the lights go on (literally) in their heads and they can
understand it from within. This would be very worthwhile endeavor and
would at the same time bring you to a very advanced state.
>You are totally correct in what you have written,>
and I hasten > to apologize for anything I might have said in the various
> exchanges that offended you. If I in any way slandered your teacher,
> your guru, then I am sorry for having said it. I know nothing about
> any guru that wasn't published in the press and is therefore common
> knowledge.
There is a difference between real knowledge, and "common" knowledge.
I accept this apology and hope that it provides an opportunity for both of
us to think about the value of reading things 2nd & 3rd hand etc. What is
the goal of a newspaper if it isn't to create interest and news.. even
where there is no news. As an executive in advertising, you have clearly
spent a good part of your life thinking about how to present things and
"sell" them to others. However, you say that you left that life behind
and yet I wonder if it has left you. Some things are deeply embedded in
us.. I call them implants. They are like concepts we accept for some
reason to survive or succeed and even though they do not serve us any more
we are still stuck with them as a sort of buzz in the subconscious.
HOWEVER.. Isn't the whole point of K. awakening that you find
yourself the source of the divine? Isn't that the whole reason we have
been given this wonderful gift so we can KNOW the TRUTH independently of
anything we are "told" and "conditioned " to think? What is the point of
having K. if you just parrot everything like all the people who are not
awakened? The K. helps release us from conditioning.. all of it in every
part of our being.. even to thinking that this is REAL!
I must confess to you that I have been very
conditioned by my education to look to the ancient texts for verification,
and I am sure the information is there if you have a long enough time, or
the fortune of Harsha to have been raised in India and starting at a young
enough age. But through reading on this K. list I have learned that I am
the source of original information that may not be in text books. The
subject of female urddhvaretas has come up.. and Gloria has joined in with
some very interesting observations on this... andit has made me realize
how I am as much a source as any book. The answers lie within and can be
understood and grasped from my own contemplation and experiences. I know
that when I write about what I know from within, it has a power that the
words I have only read about in books does not have. It is
charged.."chaitanya" I think is the word. Basing
one's awareness on what is common knowledge is a poor excuse for thinking
and contemplating something for oneself from the heart.
> I also withdraw all comments made to you and/or to Harsha.
Harsha is a soul of great understanding on the list and we have MANY
more such beings writing. There is a bhav (atmosphere ) that flows among
the members of such a list, so your tone was notably off base. I do not
believe in accidents..everything is for a purpose. I think this whole
incident happened for your benefit and for ours. I always say the best
lessons come out of conflict.. and
that one's opponent serves as one's best teacher. I am glad that you have
given me the opportunity to speak to you about your fiery ambition to
promote K. because I believe the reason you have come up against
opposition ot your views, is to HEAR.. to be able to pause for a moment
and HEAR that not everyone believes what you are doing is plausible or
possible.
> I stumbled into this chat list more or less accidentally and > quickly
withdrew my name. But still, email kept coming my way, > and I responded.
A mistake.
No I think it was a fortunate event. A part of you has been opened for
growth and your views are probably similar to others so it brings it into
the light for discussion.
> > To answer your one question, I awakened Kundalini December
20, > 1968. My desire ever since was not to "share my experiences with >
others."
Good. in one year that will be 30 years! Congrats.
>I have no interest in "sharing my experiences" but I do > have a
strong desisre to make the knowledge of Kundalini universal. > I have
YES..and this is very clear.. but does Goddess ask you to do
this, or does your ambition ask you to do this? In examining these
answers I feel you could have an epiphany of understanding. For if Goddess
asks that you do this, then all answers would be forthcoming and there
would be a wondrous arrival of all that you need. Personally I think the
only thing Goddess wants is reunion with her Lord Shiva. Everything she
does is about that... she wants us to be fully divine. For those that
sleep.. she is coming in her time... all things in due course.
>I found that this is not possible at this time. Perhaps in > the decades
tocome this may change. >
IT may.. but the K. is HERSELF and we are merely in her.. whatever is
appropriate, intelligent and in the best interests of the planet and the
human beings on it, she will execute at the time. After you experience K.
how can you doubt that SHE is in charge?
> I wonder if it is possible for Kundalini people
to broaden their > thinking somewhat.
In my opinion, WE ARE not just broader than most but incredibly deeper
and more multidimensional than everyone else if we choose to BE HER.
> We see Christian groups continually
going > abroad to spread their "Good News" and to help the starving
peoples > of the world, to work towards world peace, universal
brotherhood, > etc. No doubt other organized religions are very active in
the > same endeavors. > >
YOu do not have to do much reading either of our history or the history of
indigenous cultures to find out all
the damage that these people have done in the world. I cannot go into it
here, but there are some very good books which show how the cross has been
an instrument of torture, destruction and darkness... the history books
are replete with such tales. How can you hold this group up as
ideational.. as worthwhile.. to those who have gone past that adolescent
stage and have reached a sure maturity?
If one thing is certain about truly awakened K-ites.. it is that they do
not prosyletize because how can they? It is their personal experience of
their own divinity. Those that have tried.. end up frustrated much as you
appear to be. You find the door firmly closed. You find yourself
inevitably separated from the "others" speaking in a different language
that they cannot comprehend. What you do with that is attain your own
understanding of the truth and trust that the divine spark will awaken in
them in time.. and everyone will be celebrating the human ascension.
FOR....
Kundalini is NOT a religion. It is no more a religion than Nature is a
religion...or breathing is a religion...
> Why are those who have awakened Kundalini not
interested in > similar activities? Maybe they are. If so, I would like
to know > more about them.
THIS is the crux of the issue.. and where you should HEAR..
Kundalini is by EXPERIENCE only...
see the Movie "Contact" is all there in that movie! You cannot convey
it in language of science.
Science has put itself OUTSIDE of the realm of being able to understand
what goes on in a HUGE portion of this universe by its narrow view of
reality. The barriers are not on this side, but on the side of the
scientists. You don't hve to read my words.. plenty of people have
explained all this before me. The problem is not with K. It is with
SCIENCE and its self imposed limitations. I see that this coming century
will see the death of science as we perceive it today.
How many libraries have been written to speak this
truth, and how many beings have read these books and still not
understood?
Millions...
All you have to teach the world is: "You too are that divine." That is
all there is to know.
All your struggle and fire is going to come back to this simple idea?
Kundalini people > that have turned them off. That's a thought. > > I am
sure that discussions among those on the K-list must have > included world
peace, terrorism, creedal fanaticism, etc., but I > was not fortunate
enough to get in on them.
NO.. WRONG. This is not about changing the world as it
is.. it is what it is. It is about changing and sharing ourselves.. from
within and growing up. The topics here are about Kundalini... and we get
into many arenas as a result, but politics, activism, terrorism.. NOT...
What does this have to do with the life force exploding in ones' whole
being and allowing one to know the connection to the divine?
> > Again, I am very sorry for having offended
you and I sincerely > apologize. > > Peace, > Gene Kieffer > > >
PEACE to you..and apologies accepted with a hug. ...
and I apologize to Goddess Kali for using her image to wake you-however
must admit something made you change <BG> !ATnospam#LOL
I have learned a lot from writing this...thanks for the opportunity to
spout off about my favorite goddess!
Blessings, Ruth
******
Love allows freedom. Drop the idea that attachment and love are the same
thing. They are enemies. It is attachment that destroys love. (Osho)
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Ruth Trimble email:<trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
http://166.122.32.61/trimble/
*****
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 17:11:26 EST
From: Druout <DruoutATnospamaol.com>
To: hummer13ATnospamearthlink.net, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: love as trigger
Message-ID: <dc0c1f69.34a18891ATnospamaol.com>
Dear Joy
I don't think there is any question but that love is a trigger. I have had
virtually no negative experiences either. only ecstasy and bliss. Maybe
we're just lucky! Or maybe the difficult stuff is to come. But I wouldn't
worry too much . It's been over a year now for me with only the positive
experiences , so enjoy!
Hillary
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 17:30:36 -0800
From: Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospamkeynes.bryant.edu>
To: lodpressATnospamintercomm.com
Cc: DonBBenson <DonBBensonATnospamaol.com>, gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com,
heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Urdhava-retas
Message-Id: <34A1B73C.2A15ATnospamkeynes.bryant.edu>
Dear Gene, K-List and H-list members and others passing by,
I will be leaving town shortly and will not have access to the internet
until mid-January. I wish all of you well from my Heart. I have greatly
enjoyed all our interactions and discussions. The words Kundalini
Shakti, The Supreme Goddess, Nirvikalpa Samadhi, Self Realization, and
God Consciousness have always evoked a deep response in me. When I hear
such words, the Shakti compels me to put everything else away and focus
on what the person is saying so I can respond to it. For a person such
as myself, who has lived and breathed Yoga his whole life, finding such
a list is a rare delight. I enjoyed my discussions with Kurt, who is
truly brilliant with a vast knowledge of eastern philosophies and a
sharp thinker. I enjoyed the Christian wisdom of Mike Stickles, Bill
Beaudine (a student of Krishnamurti) and of course Don Benson (the
master of words). Human memory is faulty and I will forget so many. But
I have appreciated the insights and comments of Indra, Glorias (Both
Greco and Lee), Sues (both Macbrae and Carlson), Janpa, Ori, Freda,
Frans, Dieter, Sharon, Holly, and of course Ruth Trimble who through
evoking Kali scares the pants of people but then can be very nice as
well! There are many many others whose messages I have read and enjoyed.
I am grateful to all of you for making this a beautiful learning
experience. I want to again publically embrace Gene Keiffer and I wish
him well in his noble mission. God bless all of you with everything that
is best in life. May you all achieve your goals and missions.
Harsha
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 17:36:46 EST
From: Druout <DruoutATnospamaol.com>
To: gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com, at3ATnospamearthlink.net
Cc: lodpressATnospamintercomm.com, trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu, heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com,
kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Urdhava-retas
Message-ID: <c25a5974.34a18e80ATnospamaol.com>
Dear list
Perhaps we have it backwards. Celebacy/sexual abstinence may help in the
release of Kundalini energy-- so the restrictions placed on sex by various
gurus, are, perhaps, not for "moral" reasons, but simply as an aid to reach
the experience, just as meditation and/or hatha yoga might be.
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 16:48:34 +0000
From: Nancy <NancyATnospamwtp.net>
To: kundalini-1 <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Women & Genius [a bit of a rant]
Message-ID: <34A13CE0.42B7ATnospamwtp.net>
amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us wrote:
>
> M wrote:
> When I was young and had plenty of "juice" my parents gave me a really nice
> chemistry set (which I had asked for) for Christmas.
Don't be mistaken...you STILL have that juice. It's YOUR juice. No one
can ever take that away.
> One of the first
> things I did was make a stink bomb that went off in the basement. My
> father, the Marine, promptly confiscated my wonderful toy and I never saw
> it again. I often wonder "what if" I could now be a happy scientist instead
> of a disgruntled school district employee.
"What if?" How about "why not?"
> This is the frustration that I deal with now. It is really too late to
> start over...
It's NEVER too late to start over.
> and think that I will have enough money to survive on (let alone
> be comfortable) in my old age. Sorry to be a downer, but I'm still mad that
> I was having "fun fun fun til my daddy took my chemistry set away..."
Who's taking that chemistry set away now...sounds like it's you.
> My parents knew I had
> a genius level IQ, but rather than encouraging my development, they treated
> me like I was a freak of nature.
You had no choice about your parent's response. But you do have a choice
now. You don't have to keep on considering their views in your life. Be
a scientist, an adventurer, an exotic dancer. It's never too late to
live your dreams. And if you choose not to pursue these things, you need
to take responsibility for that now.
>
> Sorry again for the rant, I'll listen to you rant too, if it'll help.
Sounds healthy to release these old wounds. I hope I am not coming
across as harsh. I just felt compelled to reflect these thoughts to you.
I wish you a healthy, prosperous and "juicy" new year.
Nancy
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 18:03:11 -0500
From: "F. Drew " <leydaATnospamvalunet.com>
To: <amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us>, <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Women & Genius [a bit of a rant]
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From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us <amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us>
The old man was always bitterly
disappointed that he had 4 daughters and no sons. My being the oldest meant
I was the first and deepest disappointment.
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I hope you get a chance to whip his ass.
*
Drew
" So Far; So Good "
leydaATnospamvalunet.com
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