1997/12/17 17:55
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #841
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 841
Today's Topics:
Re: PLEASE! Stay on topic and stop c [ acarre <acarreATnospamconcentric.net> ]
RE: On/off topic, religion and prose [ Mike Stickles <msticklesATnospamantalys.co ]
suggestions RE: On/off topic, religi [ M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net> ]
Re: suggestions RE: On/off topic, re [ "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.or ]
Re: suggestions RE: On/off topic, re [ freda <fredaATnospamblarg.net> ]
Re: Enlightenment, Neatness [ Lorianna Burkes <lady_enchantmentATnospamy ]
Fw: Symptoms of Inner Peace [ Gloria Lee <glorybeATnospamintrepid.net> ]
Web site(off subject) [ Solar Lion <gtaATnospamcwnet.com> ]
Re: suggestions RE: On/off topic, re [ "F. Drew " <leydaATnospamvalunet.com> ]
Re: Enlightenment, Neatness [ "F. Drew " <leydaATnospamvalunet.com> ]
truely amazing [ Solar Lion <gtaATnospamcwnet.com> ]
Re: suggestions RE: On/off topic, re [ M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net> ]
Re: PLEASE! Stay on topic and stop c [ destinyATnospamcyberramp.net ]
Awakening [ John Lounsberry <berryATnospamcnwl.igs.net ]
Re: Enlightenment, Neatness [ Susanne Macrae <smacraeATnospamcamtech.net ]
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 15:09:46 -0500
From: acarre <acarreATnospamconcentric.net>
To: jennymassageATnospamwriteme.com,
"Mailing list (Kundalini)" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: PLEASE! Stay on topic and stop chatting! I want to participate but can't with this many megabytes of email
Message-ID: <3498318A.268D2284ATnospamconcentric.net>
Hi Jenny, welcome back to the list,
First, most email browser today, let you another
folder fro your emails and filter all incoming
emails to them. So you could create a folder just
for the the emails from this group, and thus, not
having them mix up with your other email, and thus
when them when you feel like it read them, or
trash them if you don't have time.
I can send you an email privately, if you have
netscape, for email browser, and show you step by
step how to do it.. For filters, on this software
its under "EDIT" - "MAIL FILTER".
Second you said:
> I would especially find it useful if you all
> wouldn't discuss religion on this public mailing
> list, and particularly debating back and forth
> about Christianity, unless you can somehow make
> it a useful contribution about Kundalini. Most
> of the discussion I've witnessed around the
> Christian/Biblical issues have in no way born
> any useful information about Kundalini
> experience or practice, and I don't really want
> to have my email box taken up with theological
> debate.
I would be interested to know what is Kundalini to
you? To what do you limit it to?
Love
Antoine
"Bless all of your learning experiences. Your
lessons teach you to choose and behave even more
wisely next time."
>From "The Enchantment of Opposites" by Patricia
Huntington Taylor
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 15:56:41 -0500
From: Mike Stickles <msticklesATnospamantalys.com>
To: jennymassageATnospamwriteme.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: RE: On/off topic, religion and proselytizing, etc.
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Hi Jenny,
Sorry that you feel that way about the discussions of religion on the
K-list. For me, separation of my Kundalini experiences and my religious
faith are virtually impossible - they are jointly a part of my
worldview. As soon as you begin to talk about the origins of K-energy
you start to tread the borders of the theological, or at least the
mystical. Also, various ideas regarding the relationship of K function
to reincarnation touch directly on areas of religious belief; and seeing
how others deal with those whose belief structures have no room for K is
of direct value. Admittedly, this can lead to pretty wild rabbit trails,
but hardly any of the lists I'm part of are able to consistently avoid
that.
As to E-mail volume - I'm subscribed to 57 mailing lists (32 of them
interactive), so I've had to learn to discriminate quickly. I scan the
subject line and the first page of a post, and if it isn't in my area of
interest I just hit "delete". Once a subject I don't care about is
established, I just delete mesages with that subject without looking at
the text. If it's interesting, but not for right now, I shunt it off to
a folder for later perusal, but if it sits in the folder for a month and
I don't look at it, it's history. You might consider a similar tactic
(though it sounds like a month might be a tad too long for your
situation).
However, a hearty "amen" to the bit about overlong inclusions of
irrelevant parts of original posts.
- Mike
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 13:40:49 -0800 (PST)
From: M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net>
To: Mike Stickles <msticklesATnospamantalys.com>
Cc: jennymassageATnospamwriteme.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: suggestions RE: On/off topic, religion and proselytizing, etc.
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Two e-mail, listserv conventions that we could all employ that would help are:
DRIB - do not read if busy
DNFEC - do not feed the energy creature
Put DRIB in the subject line to warn that some may not find the topic spot
on relevant, others with broader views may want to read it.
When someone is just tweeking the list for attention (in the seventies we
said: negative strokes are better than no strokes at all) remind the others
that to ignore it will make it go away sooner by writing DNFEC in mail about
it. As their issue fades, they may also.
Then, there is a more subversive way to handle that. It is: to keep
forwarding the offending mail back to the sender with their address repeated
several times in the cc line as well. Clever people can write little
programs to do this for them. The disappointment that the original sender
experiences when expecting lots of input but only finding their own words
coming back to them over and over again can be so disheartening and
unrewarding as to provoke behavior changes sometimes.
I have seen all of these techniques work very well on other listservs.
Anyone who wants to use them on occasion can - without lots of group
agreement needed ahead of time. I think it will help.
M
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 15:59:24 -0600 (CST)
From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: suggestions RE: On/off topic, religion and proselytizing, etc.
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.971217155700.20839A-100000ATnospamwinc0>
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On Wed, 17 Dec 1997, M wrote:
> Two e-mail, listserv conventions that we could all employ that would help are:
>
> DRIB - do not read if busy
>
> DNFEC - do not feed the energy creature
>
>
on the list i am manager for, we all put CHAT in the chatty
threads, and get our hands slapped for overquoting. :) (not hard)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 14:02:40 -0800
From: freda <fredaATnospamblarg.net>
To: M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net>
CC: Mike Stickles <msticklesATnospamantalys.com>, jennymassageATnospamwriteme.com,
kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: suggestions RE: On/off topic, religion and proselytizing, etc.
Message-ID: <34984C00.1B1FATnospamblarg.net>
M wrote:
<snip>
> When someone is just tweeking the list for attention (in the seventies we
> said: negative strokes are better than no strokes at all) remind the others
> that to ignore it will make it go away sooner by writing DNFEC in mail about
> it. As their issue fades, they may also.
Is that why we are here? To trick our issues into going away?
I must be on the WRONG list.
I came here learn and share - and getting "tweeked" is sometimes a part
of this process and it has its rewards.
I think we[klist] have been doing just fine -with normal dialog -
in keeping to the "issues" at hand. Sometimes guys, the issue may not be
to YOUR liking.... so what? Many people on this list, devirsity ever
hear of it?,
If the topic eludes you, delete it, don't participate in that string.
m again:
> Then, there is a more subversive way to handle that. It is: to keep
> forwarding the offending mail back to the sender with their address repeated
> several times in the cc line as well.
I do hope we are above the pettiness which would result
in this kind of treatment of each other.
Really, who are you to judge what is a valad "issue" for someone else,
IF YOU DON"T LIKE IT - delete it!
but don't cram someone elses posts, their very thoughts
back at them with your massive email snobbery.
..freda..
BE-IS-AM ...manifesting again...
http://www.blarg.net/~freda/01rg/hm/frhm.htm
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 14:08:01 -0800 (PST)
From: Lorianna Burkes <lady_enchantmentATnospamyahoo.com>
To: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Enlightenment, Neatness
Message-ID: <19971217220801.24316.rocketmailATnospamsend1a.yahoomail.com>
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As a child, i thought the best thing in the world was to keep my room
neat and tidy. I became so anal about it that i even had my own
broom, dustpan, mop & bucket, cleaning supplies, and trash bags neatly
kept in the wardrope of my room. My parents thought i was the perfect
child <grins>. But at that age, 11-13, i was not interested in many
things and had time to reflect on keeping my enviroment functional.
At setting of my 13th year of this life, i had a huge revelation, one
that i rarely share with anyone because when i did so in the past, i
was ridiculed. It was at that time, probably about a month before my
14th b-day, that the voice came to me. These days the voice has a
name, Evelyn, and i know her to be one of my three muses, but at that
time, she had no name and i wasnt sure what or who she was. It
frightened my parents to see me spending so much time with this
"imaginary friend," and being the worrisome parents they are, they
hauled me off to therapy. When the therapist asked me what kinds of
things this voice told me, i said that it wasnt just a voice i heard,
but full blown visions of wonderful places and things, and at times
tragic things. No, i didnt think at the time that i was psychic, and
i still dont claim to be that, but Evelyn did, and does, show me
lovely settings and characterizations which often end up in my poetry
and other writings.
To make short of this, i became so immersed in my muse and what she
had to show me, that i was no longer the neat-freak child i once was.
More pressing things had higher priority. This still goes on in my
life even to day. When the creative or spiritual energy flows through
me, i could care less that there are dishes in my sink that have been
there for days, or that my apartment is cluttered with magazines,
clothes, books, etc. To me, a clean house is no longer priority 1 on
my list of must do things. I even feel sorry for people who find that
this need to keep a place extremely tidy is the wholeness of their
lives...it makes me wonder if they ever hear voices in their heads or
have a day dream, or are on a spiritual quest. Undoubtedly, they have
nothing more pressing but to clean. Yippers!!!
Just my two cents worth on the whole neatness stance
*still trying to find things under the slushpool on her desk*
Love and light
Lorianna
_________________________
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Get your free ATnospamyahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 17:27:21 -0500
From: Gloria Lee <glorybeATnospamintrepid.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Fw: Symptoms of Inner Peace
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>
>
>My dear friends:
>
> If you find yourself with any of these....well GOOD!
>>
>> > SYMPTOMS OF INNER PEACE
>> > by Saskia Davis
>> >
>> >Be on the lookout for symptoms of inner peace. The hearts of a great
>> >many have already been exposed to inner peace and it is possible that
>people
>> >everywhere could come down with it in epidemic proportions. This could
>> >pose a serious threat to what has, up to now, been a fairly stable
>> >condition of conflict in the world.
>> >
>> >Some signs and symptoms of inner peace:
>> >
>> > .A tendency to think and act spontaneously rather than on fears based
>> > on past experiences.
>> >
>> > .An unmistakable ability to enjoy each moment.
>> >
>> > .A loss of interest in judging other people.
>> >
>> > .A loss of interest in judging self.
>> >
>> > .A loss of interest in interpreting the actions of others.
>> >
>> > .A loss of interest in conflict.
>> >
>> > .A loss of the ability to worry. (This is a very serious symptom)
>> >
>> > .Frequent, overwhelming episodes of appreciation.
>> >
>> > .Contented feelings of connectedness with others and nature.
>> >
>> > .Frequent attacks of smiling.
>> >
>> > .An increasing tendency to let things happen rather than make them
>> > happen.
>> >
>> > .An increased susceptibility to the love extended by others as well as
>> > the uncontrollable urge to extend it.
>> >
>> > *WARNING*
>> >
>> >If you have some or all of the above symptoms, please be advised that
>> >your condition of inner peace may be so far advanced as to not be
>curable.
>> If you are exposed to anyone exhibiting any of these symptoms, remain
>> >exposed only at your own risk.
>> >
>> >
>
>
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 14:41:11 -0800
From: Solar Lion <gtaATnospamcwnet.com>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Web site(off subject)
Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971217144106.007fe490ATnospammailhost.cwnet.com>
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greetings
just to let you know - many many changes on web site - ongoing
Solar Lion (Bob)
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Gateway to Awareness ATnospam http://home.cwnet.com/gta/
Metaphysics - Guided Meditation - Energy Work
ICQ uin: 2742596
"Ye Old Metaphysical Book Shoppe"
Online source for Metaphysical Books
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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 18:12:54 -0800
From: "F. Drew " <leydaATnospamvalunet.com>
To: <fredaATnospamblarg.net>, "M" <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net>
Cc: "Mike Stickles" <msticklesATnospamantalys.com>, <jennymassageATnospamwriteme.com>,
<kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: suggestions RE: On/off topic, religion and proselytizing, etc.
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From: freda <fredaATnospamblarg.net>
>I came here learn and share - and getting "tweeked" is sometimes a part
>of this process and it has its rewards.
***************************
I agree, It is not the " off subject " posts that are a problem. It is the
all inclusive replies. When you reply trim it down, show a little style.
*
Drew
" So Far; So Good "
leydaATnospamvalunet.com
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 18:16:21 -0800
From: "F. Drew " <leydaATnospamvalunet.com>
To: "Lorianna Burkes" <lady_enchantmentATnospamyahoo.com>,
<amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us>, <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Enlightenment, Neatness
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From: Lorianna Burkes <lady_enchantmentATnospamyahoo.com>
>Just my two cents worth on the whole neatness stance
>
>*still trying to find things under the slushpool on her desk*
>
>Love and light
>
>Lorianna
************************
All them Yoga masters appeared neat.
*
Drew
" So Far; So Good "
leydaATnospamvalunet.com
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 15:51:18 -0800
From: Solar Lion <gtaATnospamcwnet.com>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: truely amazing
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I respectfully request help and healing thoughts for the Hopi while doing your
metaphysical Work.
James
The End of Spirit Help for HOPILAND?
This Holy Season our Hopi Relations and especially the Kachina
Ceremonies are NOW today being threatened . It has been brought to my
attention that the Holy Kachina Home "San Francisco Peaks" out side
Flagstaff , AZ. is targeted for clear cutting of the trees on this Most
Sacred Mt. to the Hopi People.
As the Kachina Fathers are in their Kiva's praying for the world and
universal balance in silence and reverence. The Forest Service in
Flagstaff Az is scheduling a Public Hearing for Dec. 18th , 1997 to get
an approval for this mutilation to our most sacred and Holy Shrines. For
more information contact Forest Service of Arizona, Flagstaff P.O. Box
507, Flagstaff AZ. 86004 Phone # 520-679-2259
For those who do not know _ the Holy Shrines and the Sacred Path Ways of
the Kachina Spirits and Helpers are at "San Francisco Pecks". From
there they travel to the Underworld half the year and then reappear at
Soyal in DECEMBER to assist mankind and our human prayers here on
earth. i am not a liberty to say (even if i knew) how many shrines and
other portals are
on this most Sacred Mountain however I must say "It is imperative to
protect and preserve this from Happening........For universal and world
Balance. WE have all seen the result of the Earth Changes since the
"Kachina Paths" have been cut in "Hotevilla" the Earth changes are
beginning. Do we dare allow this further insult to the Spirit world ?
Do we dare allow another assault to our ancient pathways? In deed this
may be 11:59:59 and we call on all Spiritual and Kind hearted Supporters
to assist in stopping this assault to the Hopi Traditional and Spiritual
rituals and sites. It might be interesting to find out why the Hopi
Cultural Preservation Office isn't interested in this as well. Maybe they
are having a change of heart and will help preserve and protect for
earnest?
Thank you all for being our friend.
Asquali, dep see manna
aka, Katherine Cheshire
touch the earth foundation
P.O. box 257
Solana Beach, CA., 92075
619-481-9824
http://www.timesoft.com/hopi
"Together with all Nations we Hold this World in Balance" Hopi Elders.
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 16:14:15 -0800 (PST)
From: M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net>
To: fredaATnospamblarg.net
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: suggestions RE: On/off topic, religion and proselytizing,
etc.
Message-Id: <199712180014.QAA04333ATnospammail.thegrid.net>
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At 02:02 PM 12/17/97 -0800, freda wrote:
>M wrote:
>< As their issue fades, they may also.
>
>If the topic eludes you, delete it, don't participate in that string.
This is obvious and has been suggested over and over again. I was merely
trying to add some alternatives to those who do not want to do that for one
reason or another.
>m again:
>> several times in the cc line as well.
>Really, who are you to judge what is a valad "issue" for someone else,
>IF YOU DON"T LIKE IT - delete it!
I can judge only for myself - of course - and I do judge for myself when I
routinely delete and often do not participate. Again deleting or not
participating are obvious, they are techniques used by the majority of us
and have been suggested over and over again. These selfsame problems still
come to the list time and time again anyway. I was merely trying to add
some alternatives (that I do not use but have seen used on other lists) to
those who want another way of approaching (what they consider a big) problem.
I consider the approaches I mentioned valid and I consider the issue valid,
so I suggest that >IF YOU DON"T LIKE IT - delete it!
>;
M
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 18:25:08 -0600
From: destinyATnospamcyberramp.net
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: PLEASE! Stay on topic and stop chatting! I want to
participate but can't with this many megabytes of email
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Jenny, you wrote :
>Hi folks...
>
>I'm new to the list. (snip) You can read about my awakening
>experience at: (http://www.execpc.com/~libra/kund/a_jenny.html)
(snip)
>Most of this email volume could be eliminated if people would stick to 2
>simple rules: (1) stay on topic-- that is "Kundalini" and (2) post only
>replies of interest to the WHOLE GROUP OF PEOPLE on the mailing list...
Replies of interest to the WHOLE GROUP OF PEOPLE on the mailing list......
hmmmmmm..... sorry, I don't think your request is possible from me.
(snip)
>I don't even have
>enough memory on my email program to handle more than 2 days worth of this
>list because a lot of these posts are unneccesarily long....
Give yourself a wonderful christmas gift - a new 4 gig hard drive for $300,
and maybe some extra ram.
(snip)
>I would especially find it useful if you all wouldn't discuss religion on
>this public mailing list, and particularly debating back and forth about
>Christianity, unless you can somehow make it a useful contribution about
>Kundalini.
Kundalini takes you through every block in your life - including your
distaste for religion. Discussion is healthy. From your web page you are
into healthy practices there in Austin. You can run.... and deny.... and
yell at your highest volume how free you are from your earliest
conditioning in your life.... but you can't hide the facts behind wicca,
paganism or any other wall. Your words scream of anger that is subterranean
inside. That's the purpose of this list. To let it all hang out. Every
issue is part of the kundalini process. Even your penchant for tantra,
naked bodies, and sexually safe evocative group movements.
39 is not a bad age to lighten up. Some never do in their lives.
Light and love...
John bill beaudine
(snip)
>Jenny
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 19:25:46 -0500
From: John Lounsberry <berryATnospamcnwl.igs.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Awakening
Message-ID: <34986D1E.4585ATnospamcnwl.igs.net>
Your request for personal experiences with Kundalini:
I can only say it is my life.
I am trapped on a course to pursue the elusive awakening. I have only
recently awakened
to the fact that I have never been in control of my life and the
directions that it flows.
I have lived a life of following a higher purpose.
My mantra is "not my will but thine o lord be done in me and through me"
I have followed a life of meditation seeking direction and
clarity of thought (seeing
and feeling the Kundalini energy moving in me!)
I have had many deeply moving experiences clearing and opening chakras
allowing them to
have the prana energy flow in.
I have studied Gopi Krishna read all his books met with him
and spent time with
him. I also find John White an enlightened writer. and admired Dr.Bucks
observations in
Cosmic Consciousness.
I have had most moving awakening take place on August 16
1997 at that point
I changed, all animosity was burnt out of me and I awakened to the fact
that all feelings
that steal from the moment must go.
I work in Engineering, a local Artist , Historian,
Environmental Naturalist, an
Athlete, Teacher and elected to a local Political Office. Many different
Professions.
After August 16, 1997: I have had a heightened sense of
awareness and a sense
of vision which I cannot explain. I feel an energy flowing in me that
must be released,
sometimes I feel it could Blow my head off.
There are higher forces working in me and through me, I can
only channel it.
I don't know what is next.
It feels good to talk to someone who may understand this
controlling force that
dominates my life. I do not share these feeling with my family and
those around me.
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Books that I have found of great interest to me.
1/ Author GOPI KRISHNA
- The Awakening of
Kundalini
Published 1975 By;
E.P.Dutton N.Y.
Planted in human beings is a powerful reservoir of psychic energy which,
when roused to
activity in the state of Kundalini, can lead to transcendental states of
consciousness, genius,
and supernormal psychic awareness.
- Higher Consciousness
Published 1974 Julian
Press N.Y.
Gopi Krishna's personal experience: Suddenly, with a roar like that of a
waterfall, I felt a
stream of liquid light entering my brain through the spinal cord... I
felt the point of
consciousness that was myself growing wider, surrounded by waves of
light....
- Kundalini: The
Evolutionary Energy in Man
A description of how he aroused the mysterious Kundalini force, and
achieved that
mystical experience of higher consciousness.
- The Biological Basis
of Religion And Genius
Published 1973
Turnstone Books
Originally intended as a speech for a conference of scientists (at
Florence, Italy) The
human brain, as the result of evolution, now has in it the capacity to
exhibit another kind of
consciousness which can know itself.
2/ Author JOHN WHITE
- Kundalini Evolution and
Enlightenment
Publisher 1979 Anchor
Press Doubleday
The search for a higher state of being takes many forms- eastern
religions, meditation,
occultism, mysticism, and evangelical Christianity, to name a few. but
one common theme
unites these seemingly diverse approaches to spirituality - kundalini
3/ Author CUTHBERT BUTLER
- Western Mysticism
Published Harper
Torchbook 1966
Three aspects of the writings of the mystics- Lives of Augustine,
Gregory and Bernard
4/ Author RICHARD MAURICE BUCKE, M.D.
- Cosmic Consciousness
Publisher Dutton
Paperback 1969
In reviewing the mental and spiritual activity of the human race, Dr.
Bucke discovers that
at intervals certain individuals have appeared who are gifted with the
power of transcendent
realization - or Illumination.
I have only recently come on to the mailing list and find the E-MAIL to
large and full
unrelated empty chit-chat (Please please please) use this network to
learn, grow, and help
each other.
To each of you who are
truly seeking,
Perhaps we will meet on
the path.
John in CANADA
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 11:13:42 +1030
From: Susanne Macrae <smacraeATnospamcamtech.net.au>
To: Lorianna Burkes <lady_enchantmentATnospamyahoo.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Enlightenment, Neatness
Message-ID: <349871BE.51B1ATnospamcamtech.net.au>
Hi Lorianna,
I never had the compulsive neatness but have often had the mess. When I
was young I used to be really hard on myself, thinking I must be so
lazy, because I just couldn't get those domestic chores done without a
huge effort. When I discovered that I was reactive to almost all
synthetic chemicals I started understanding why housework was so hard.
Now I use non toxic natural cleaning products it is much easier.
I think mind discipline is also extremely important. From my limited
reading of the different schools of yoga, the self control aspect seems
an integral part of these processes. I have recently reached a stage
where I felt that I needed to work more on mind discipline.
Looking around at society in general, the lack of self imposed
discipline seems to be the norm. This is merely an observation, not a
judgement. While neatness isn't necessarily a result of discipline,
(there can be lots of other reasons) using discipline to maintain
neatness could be a good way to go to develop mind self control.
I'll let you know how well it works!
Love, sue
Lorianna Burkes wrote:
>
> As a child, i thought the best thing in the world was to keep my room
> neat and tidy. I became so anal about it that i even had my own
> broom, dustpan, mop & bucket, cleaning supplies, and trash bags neatly
> kept in the wardrope of my room. My parents thought i was the perfect
> child <grins>. But at that age, 11-13, i was not interested in many
> things and had time to reflect on keeping my enviroment functional.
> At setting of my 13th year of this life, i had a huge revelation, one
> that i rarely share with anyone because when i did so in the past, i
> was ridiculed. It was at that time, probably about a month before my
> 14th b-day, that the voice came to me. These days the voice has a
> name, Evelyn, and i know her to be one of my three muses, but at that
> time, she had no name and i wasnt sure what or who she was. It
> frightened my parents to see me spending so much time with this
> "imaginary friend," and being the worrisome parents they are, they
> hauled me off to therapy. When the therapist asked me what kinds of
> things this voice told me, i said that it wasnt just a voice i heard,
> but full blown visions of wonderful places and things, and at times
> tragic things. No, i didnt think at the time that i was psychic, and
> i still dont claim to be that, but Evelyn did, and does, show me
> lovely settings and characterizations which often end up in my poetry
> and other writings.
>
> To make short of this, i became so immersed in my muse and what she
> had to show me, that i was no longer the neat-freak child i once was.
> More pressing things had higher priority. This still goes on in my
> life even to day. When the creative or spiritual energy flows through
> me, i could care less that there are dishes in my sink that have been
> there for days, or that my apartment is cluttered with magazines,
> clothes, books, etc. To me, a clean house is no longer priority 1 on
> my list of must do things. I even feel sorry for people who find that
> this need to keep a place extremely tidy is the wholeness of their
> lives...it makes me wonder if they ever hear voices in their heads or
> have a day dream, or are on a spiritual quest. Undoubtedly, they have
> nothing more pressing but to clean. Yippers!!!
>
> Just my two cents worth on the whole neatness stance
>
> *still trying to find things under the slushpool on her desk*
>
> Love and light
>
> Lorianna
>
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