1997/12/17 08:35
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #839
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 839
Today's Topics:
Re: grounding probs... [ Morgana Wyze <morganaATnospambest.com> ]
Re: Sacred Geometry [ Susanne Macrae <smacraeATnospamcamtech.net ]
Re: Kundalini & Science [ Susanne Macrae <smacraeATnospamcamtech.net ]
PLEASE! Stay on topic and stop chatt [ jennymassageATnospamwriteme.com ]
Re: Sacred Geometry [ dcondreaATnospampcnet.pcnet.ro (Blizzard) ]
Re: Kundalini & Science [ anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities. ]
Re: Kundalini and Science [ "Jindaro" <jindaroATnospamhydra.com.au> ]
Buddha Bashing [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ]
Thanks for warning me. [ DonBBenson <DonBBensonATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Buddha Bashing (longwinded) [ "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.or ]
Thanks for warning me. [ DonBBenson <DonBBensonATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Buddha Bashing [ "Harsh K. Luthar" <hlutharATnospambryant.e ]
Re: Buddha Bashing [ "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.or ]
Re: Kundalini & Science (Sorry short [ "Harsh K. Luthar" <hlutharATnospambryant.e ]
Re: Buddha Bashing [ "Susan Carlson" <divine_goddessATnospamhot ]
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 23:15:09 -0800
From: Morgana Wyze <morganaATnospambest.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: grounding probs...
Message-ID: <34977BFC.1EC6ATnospambest.com>
danelle t wrote:
I have been having serious problems
> staying grounded lately, it feels as if I am only half here...with the
> rest of me floating somewhere else. Sometimes it gets to the point
> where I have extreme difficulties communicating. The english someone is
> speaking sounds almost foriegn to me and i have to have them repeat the
> question a couple of times. Also when I am speaking I have taken on a
> stuttering havit, and it sometimes feels as if the words are stuck in
> the throat. Nothing will come out.
Hi,
This is normal...even spiritual students of my Wicca classes who aren't
awakened experience this. You're doing more with the right side of your
brain, and building bridges between the two hemespheres of the brain.
This causes a regression of learned skills, much like the sudden
clumsiness of a toddler when they are learning fine motor control.
It could take as long as eighteen months or as few as three to come
back, but your skill level wil be enhanced.
Morgana
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 17:44:22 +1030
From: Susanne Macrae <smacraeATnospamcamtech.net.au>
To: Bohemial <BohemialATnospamaol.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Sacred Geometry
Message-ID: <34977BCE.7862ATnospamcamtech.net.au>
hi Bohemial,
I'd also be interested in any ideas or opinions on this:
Bohemial wrote:
>
connection between the sacred 3--4--5 right triangle, kundalini yoga,
and sacred
> geometry.
The question of Sacred Geometry has had me intriqued for many years.
Since I discovered the word "mystery" contained in the word "symmetry".
The Golden Mean, the Golden Rectangle, the Fiobonacci series all tempt
me to explore them and find their secrets. (I haven't so far!)
I know a guy who makes a lot of money on the futures market using a
system based on the Fibonacci numbers.
When I looked at this web site
www.danwinter.com/whygold.html
I almost swooned over the geometric spirals. They look like lotus
flowers.
In my opinion there is definitely a connection between Kundalini and
Sacred Geometry. I'd like to hear more.
Love, sue
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 18:04:16 +1030
From: Susanne Macrae <smacraeATnospamcamtech.net.au>
To: anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Kundalini & Science
Message-ID: <34978078.597DATnospamcamtech.net.au>
anandajyoti wrote:
>
He had suffered such a volcanic eruption, during his practice
> that the awakened Kundalini in full force, brought about all his past life experiences to the
> fore
> and he could hardly bear the trauma caused by it. Out of fear or guilt, his tongue came out,
> full length, and he experienced extreme burning sensations all over his body.,
> Psychologically he was ill prepared, and as a result, he passed out. Then after three days,
> he passed out of his body too.
> These traumas do offer us the ability to know , what we must guard against in the Kundalini
> Practice.
I guess after seeing first hand and knowing of these particular
experiences, the tendency could be to want to protect others and guard
against illness or death befalling the aspirant. Or to help protect the
recipient from extreme reactions.
We can be too presumptious though in not allowing or trusting others to
have their own experience. I am a strong believer in the personal power
that each soul has to choose their own (albeit difficult) path. The man
mentioned previously probably has benefitted enormously from his
experience that led to his death. No-one can assume what is the right
or wrong experience for another.
Those who hold secrets, hold power over others and judge what is right
or wrong for another. To do this is to withold and deny them their
rightful growth and experience.
It would seem the explosion of people experiencing spontaneous Kundalini
awakening (without a teacher) is the message that it has been held back
long enough.
Love, sue
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 01:59:48 -0800
From: jennymassageATnospamwriteme.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
CC: jennymassageATnospamwriteme.com
Subject: PLEASE! Stay on topic and stop chatting! I want to participate but can't with this many megabytes of email
Message-ID: <3497A294.913ATnospamwriteme.com>
Hi folks...
I'm new to the list. Actually, I was on it over a year ago (I'm "Jenny" in
the "kundalini experiences" archive-- you can read about my awakening
experience at: (http://www.execpc.com/~libra/kund/a_jenny.html)
I had to drop off the mailing list after a few weeks back in 1996 because the
huge volume of email was too much for me to handle. I just re-subscribed
to the list and I've been lurking a few days now, and it looks like the same
old problem.
Most of this email volume could be eliminated if people would stick to 2
simple rules: (1) stay on topic-- that is "Kundalini" and (2) post only
replies of interest to the WHOLE GROUP OF PEOPLE on the mailing list...
PLEASE send those "back and forth" type of replies directly to each others'
addresses rather than to the mailing list. (that means NOT hitting the
"reply" function when you respond, but taking the time to get the email
address of the person you're replying to and plugging their address into your
"To:" line.... it takes more effort, I know, but I think it's really worth
it.)
Also, when you're replying to just a line or two on someone else's post, just
quote what you're responding to and not the whole post.... I don't even have
enough memory on my email program to handle more than 2 days worth of this
list because a lot of these posts are unneccesarily long....
well, thanks for letting me get on my soapbox about this.
This group could really be a big help and a comfort to me, if I could manage
to use it, but at the current volume, I probably won't be able to.
I would especially find it useful if you all wouldn't discuss religion on
this public mailing list, and particularly debating back and forth about
Christianity, unless you can somehow make it a useful contribution about
Kundalini. Most of the discussion I've witnessed around the
Christian/Biblical issues have in no way born any useful information about
Kundalini experience or practice, and I don't really want to have my email
box taken up with theological debate. If I did, I'd join a religion
newsgroup. I particularly don't appreciate postings from Christians who seem
to have absolutely nothing positive or useful to contribute to a meaningful
discussion of the Kundalini phenomenon, but are here simply to engage in an
Apology of their faith. Please go somewhere else to proselytize.
thanks all, and sorry for such a strident introduction to myself... hope to
be able to continue to join you..
Jenny
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 10:40:37
From: dcondreaATnospampcnet.pcnet.ro (Blizzard)
To: smacraeATnospamcamtech.net.au, Bohemial <BohemialATnospamAOL.COM>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Sacred Geometry
Message-ID: <66ATnospamdcondrea.pcnet.ro>
>connection between the sacred 3--4--5 right triangle, kundalini yoga,
>and sacred
>> geometry.
see the book: Rene Guenon 'Symboles de la science sacree' or the
english version ' Symbols of the sacred science'
Codrin
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 00:49:02 -0800
From: anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>
To: smacraeATnospamcamtech.net.au
CC: "kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>,
"heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com" <heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com>
Subject: Re: Kundalini & Science
Message-ID: <349791F6.68F53DDFATnospamgeocities.com>
Susanne Macrae wrote:
> anandajyoti wrote:
> >
> He had suffered such a volcanic eruption, during his practice
> > that the awakened Kundalini in full force, brought about all his past life experiences to the
> > fore
> > and he could hardly bear the trauma caused by it. Out of fear or guilt, his tongue came out,
> > full length, and he experienced extreme burning sensations all over his body.,
> > Psychologically he was ill prepared, and as a result, he passed out. Then after three days,
> > he passed out of his body too.
> > These traumas do offer us the ability to know , what we must guard against in the Kundalini
> > Practice.
> Sue>
> I guess after seeing first hand and knowing of these particular
> experiences, the tendency could be to want to protect others and guard
> against illness or death befalling the aspirant. Or to help protect the
> recipient from extreme reactions.
Anandajyoti>I fully agree with your view, Sue . We must all help in such circumstances, without
judgment.
> Sue>
> We can be too presumptious though in not allowing or trusting others to
> have their own experience.
Anandajyoti>I am all for the individual experiences of any one, but if we happen to know
the side effects, I would behoove it to inform them to make their individual choices, and allow
them to go with it.
A story comes to mind which has been in India for a long time.
A disciple was taught by his Guru, that everything is (Brahman) God.
Without reflecting on the meaning of it he goes out gladly , very energized , that everything thing
is God.
On the road, and elephant which had gone mad, was coming his way. The mahout or the keeper of the
elephant shouted, get away, get away, my elephant has become a mad rogue elephant.
The disciple thought to himself, that I am Brahman, the Elephant although a mad and rogue, is
Brahman. So why would the Brahman in the elephant attack or harm me, who is also Brahman. He did
not listen to the warning calls of the Mahout.
So the elephant came, and took the disciple with the trunk, and battered him by hitting the
disciple, on the road, and then after a while, threw him by the side, and went along.
The disciple was very hurt, he thought why did this happen and was confused.
So he goes walks back, to see his Guru.
His Guru was surprised to see the physically battered condition of the disciple, and asked what
happened. The disciple narrated to him , his whole experience.
On hearing it, the Guru replied, that is why it is so difficult, to give Brahma-Jnana ( the One in
all idea) to all . And why did you not listen
to the Mahout Brahma, who is also God, inside. If you listened to the
Mahout Brahma, you could have saved all this trouble of being physically
battered by the Mad elephant, who is inside, the same Brahma, but gone berserk.
The meaning of this story to us, from our childhood, was , little learning
is a dangerous thing. This story is not intended to slight you, or put you down, in any way. I am
simply sharing my perspective. Hope this does not offend you personally in any way, as I feel many
are as sensitive as yourself on the lists.
Sue>
> I am a strong believer in the personal power
> that each soul has to choose their own (albeit difficult) path. The man
> mentioned previously probably has benefitted enormously from his
> experience that led to his death. No-one can assume what is the right
> or wrong experience for another.
Anandajyoti>It is true, that we cannot assume the right or wrong here, and true that the man who
died through the experience, also took it with him, to manifest in another life, to carry it
forward, from where he had breathed his last , in this life.
So, I don't find anything wrong in having personal empowerment to choose
one's path, according to their own inclinations and propensities.
All paths lead to the same destination.
> Sue>
>
> Those who hold secrets, hold power over others and judge what is right
> or wrong for another. To do this is to withold and deny them their
> rightful growth and experience.
Anandajyoti>
I agree with you fully, here. But I also feel, that being well informed about anything, whether in
our physical or spiritual life it does empower us to make our own choices too, like an informed
decision.
> Sue>
> It would seem the explosion of people experiencing spontaneous Kundalini
> awakening (without a teacher) is the message that it has been held back
> long enough.
> Anandajyoti>
> True enough.
> In Love , Light and Life,
Anandajyoti.http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/6782
>
>
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 20:00:40 +1100
From: "Jindaro" <jindaroATnospamhydra.com.au>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Kundalini and Science
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Susan,
It is very interesting what you say about increased heartbeats. My mother
suffered from Wolfe-Parkinson syndrome (sp) and one of the symptoms of this
was heart palpataions - sometimes for days on end. She suffered with this
for about 20 years before doctors diagnosed her condition and subsequently
operated. They removed an extra artery or vein in her heart I think - not
quiet sure. Anyway, she found that when she turned her head a certain way,
she no longer had a pulse that could be detected if you felt the point on
her neck. She was showing a doctor this one day and he was horrified.
(grin).
But it seems that this condition is hereditary and I feel that I may have it
too as I have experience mild heart palpatations on a few occasions but only
while lying down with my hands stretched above my head - weird. Oh well, at
least I know what it is all about now..... I am going to show my mother this
email you wrote - I'm sure she will be extremely interested in it!!!
Thanks
Sharon
_________________________
>>Prior to the experience of certain Samadhis, in a very natural way, the
>>optical nerves are stimulated and through this the brain and the heart
>>and indirectly the breathing is influenced. <snip>
>
>> This is why many of the methods of Kundalini Yoga (for
>>example, taught in Hatha Yoga, Kriya Yoga and Laya yoga) in various
>>traditions involve putting gentle pressure on the eyes and closing the
>>ears in various mudras.
>
>-I was registered nurse who worked in intensive care and step-down units
>for over 10 years.
>
>For atrial fibrillation (extremely rapid heartbeats greater than 140
>beats a minute for a prolonged period of time) treatment at times was a
>non-pharmological technique...massaging the carotid arteries in the
>neck. This stimulated the baroreceptors...sites sensitive to pressure
>in the arterial walls...to lower the heart rate. When heart rate was
>lowered, blood pressure also lowered to decompensate for easier blood
>flow ( it was at least hoped so this would happen). *** Do not try this
>without supervision...your heart could stop beating and I wont be there
>to start it up again..:-)***
>
>Anyway, I was surprised to find out that massaging the eyeballs has the
>same effect. Deep pressure can lower heart rate by an baro-electrical
>effect. (Who has not loved to rub their eyes after a stressful day?) I
>was watching a heart monitor one time and saw a woman totally loose her
>ventricular heart electrical pattern while a doctor used one of these
>techniques...Made me jump out of my chair and yell down the hall,
>'whatever you are doing, STOP IT!'
>
>I think it's fascinating that K/Shakti does this naturally...an
>energetic treatment for stressed and tired hearts.
>
>Of course when heart rate is lowered, breathing rate tends to follow in
>a relatively healthy person. The process of dynamic homeostasis of the
>body/mind and all its systems is fascinating to me still even though I
>have left nursing.
>
>I think, K will find a very important place in the field of
>psychoneuroimmunology...just my humble opinion.
>
>Blessings,
>
>Susan
>
>______________________
>Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
>
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 08:27:06 -0600
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Buddha Bashing
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Gloria Lee wrote:
>"It is indeed difficult to separate the ideals from the distortions made by
>>man... were all of Buddah's followers perfect? Or is it only politically
>>correct to slam the old Judeo-Christian faith?
You will get no arugment from me. In fact, I have a *big* problem with
Buddha being a bored rich guy who decides to abandon his wife and kid (to
what fate? anyone know?) to wander off and "find himself". I asked my
favorite Philosophy Professor, and all he had to say was "It is
problematic." Er... hyeah....
There is a book called "If You Meet the Buddha on the Road, Kill Him," by
Sheldon Kopp. Anyone familiar with it?
sincerely,
amckeon
(Moooo! There goes another one!)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 09:18:34 EST
From: DonBBenson <DonBBensonATnospamaol.com>
To: deliriumATnospamionet.net, destinyATnospamcyberramp.net
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Thanks for warning me.
Message-ID: <4890b0f1.3497df3cATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 97-12-16 22:02:03 EST, deliriumATnospamfull-moon.com writes:
<< makes me feel like hugging him...
>>
Dear Kathy,
Thanks for warning me. This way I can be prepared and not be my usual
totally uncouth and undisciplined self.
You see, if John bill beaudine suddenly came up and hugged my neck, I
would want to overcome the terrible misunderstanding that resulted from my use
of logic in my exegesis of Revelation 1:1a. So I would hug him right back and
say, <Mighty pleased to meet you, John bill, let's go get us a few beers and a
mess o' crawdads.> At that point, he would cut me and stomp me and we would
be blood brothers and friends for life -- until the last of my blood ran out
into the bayou.
But if you suddenly came up and hugged me without warning, I would
probably think <Mmmmm. She smells good.> and start nibbling on your ear. Then
as you disentangled yourself in shock and horror and deep hurt, a hundred of
your K-sisters would instantly arrive from around the world and beat me to a
pulp in your defense. And then I would be slapped with a host of criminal and
civil charges and penalties resulting from my harassment of and assault on
you. My wife would say, <You idiot! You knew that would happen. Why did you
do it? Why can't you ever learn?> And thus my few remaining years, which I
had hoped would be good ones, would be spent in litigation, confusion, and
disgrace. Worst of all, the gospel would be ill spoken of on my account.
And so I say again, Kathy, thanks for warning me. Sincerely, Don
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 08:31:18 -0600 (CST)
From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
To: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Buddha Bashing (longwinded)
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On Wed, 17 Dec 1997 amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us wrote:
> Gloria Lee wrote:
> You will get no arugment from me. In fact, I have a *big* problem with
> Buddha being a bored rich guy who decides to abandon his wife and kid (to
> what fate? anyone know?) to wander off and "find himself". I asked my
> favorite Philosophy Professor, and all he had to say was "It is
> problematic." Er... hyeah....
>
The story as i know it was that the Shakya prince, living a sheltered
palace existence, encountered an aging man, a sick person, a dead person
and a sage. These experiences awoke within him a rather burning desire to
weed out suffering for everyone. So he renounced everything & became a
sage himself. It was not done out of boredom, but out of
awakened 'bodhicitta'. Which to a bodhisattva (he wasn't the Buddha yet)
can mean the heartfelt desire to end suffering for every single sentient
being, not just his family or immediate town or district.
Perhaps he reasoned that Yasodhara and Rahula (his wife & son) would be
taken care of by his father & his family. It is interesting that Yasodhara
herself eventually became one of the first bikkshunis.
Whatever, the point of that part of the story is to abandon wordly
attachment. The symbol of that is leaving home. "for he so loved the
world..." the christian verse goes.
Awakenings, have this tendency to loosen the holds and grips on our
conventional reality. They change us. We really do 'leave home'. imo. IF
we dont, and we hold onto the tried & true, yikes! it hurts! You lose
ground and wander into the ether with skills and tools for the solid.
Anyway! just another opinion :) take it or delete it :).
--janpa tsomo
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 09:17:55 EST
From: DonBBenson <DonBBensonATnospamaol.com>
To: deliriumATnospamIONET.NET, destinyATnospamcyberramp.net
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Thanks for warning me.
Message-ID: <e488b0f7.3497df33ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 97-12-16 22:02:03 EST, deliriumATnospamfull-moon.com writes:
<< makes me feel like hugging him...
>>
Dear Kathy,
Thanks for warning me. This way I can be prepared and not be my usual
totally uncouth and undisciplined self.
You see, if John bill beaudine suddenly came up and hugged my neck, I
would want to overcome the terrible misunderstanding that resulted from my use
of logic in my exegesis of Revelation 1:1a. So I would hug him right back and
say, <Mighty pleased to meet you, John bill, let's go get us a few beers and a
mess o' crawdads.> At that point, he would cut me and stomp me and we would
be blood brothers and friends for life -- until the last of my blood ran out
into the bayou.
But if you suddenly came up and hugged me without warning, I would
probably think <Mmmmm. She smells good.> and start nibbling on your ear. Then
as you disentangled yourself in shock and horror and deep hurt, a hundred of
your K-sisters would instantly arrive from around the world and beat me to a
pulp in your defense. And then I would be slapped with a host of criminal and
civil charges and penalties resulting from my harassment of and assault on
you. My wife would say, <You idiot! You knew that would happen. Why did you
do it? Why can't you ever learn?> And thus my few remaining years, which I
had hoped would be good ones, would be spent in litigation, confusion, and
disgrace. Worst of all, the gospel would be ill spoken of on my account.
And so I say again, Kathy, thanks for warning me. Sincerely, Don
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 10:31:53 -0500
From: "Harsh K. Luthar" <hlutharATnospambryant.edu>
To: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Buddha Bashing
Message-Id: <3497F069.5CDFATnospamacad.bryant.edu>
amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us wrote:
>
>> You will get no arugment from me. In fact, I have a *big* problem with
> Buddha being a bored rich guy who decides to abandon his wife and kid (to
> what fate? anyone know?) to wander off and "find himself". I asked my
> favorite Philosophy Professor, and all he had to say was "It is
>
Guatam Buddha's wife and son Rahul stayed in Buddha's parents house.
Indian poets have written about their suffering and how Rahul always
asked his mother about his father.
Buddha eventually came back after his enlightenment. His wife asked him.
"Do you love me." Buddha reportedly said something like, "You were my
first love. It is because I loved so much that I had to resolve the
mystery of suffering and existence. Much of Buddha's family joined his
group. His cousin Ananda was his devoted disciple and followed him
everywhere. Due to his great attachment to Buddha, Ananda did not get
enlightened until the day after Buddha passed away.
Harsha
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 08:40:25 -0600 (CST)
From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Buddha Bashing
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i know when i've been beat :)! thanks harsha for retelling the story in a
much better way than i did.
i feel you caught the essence of it better than i did.
maitri!
--janpa
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 10:51:55 -0500
From: "Harsh K. Luthar" <hlutharATnospambryant.edu>
To: anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>
Cc: heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com, lodpressATnospamintercomm.com,
"Harsh K. Luthar" <hlutharATnospambryant.edu>,
Gene Kieffer <gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com>, smacraeATnospamcamtech.net.au,
kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Kundalini & Science (Sorry short)
Message-Id: <3497F51B.1112ATnospamacad.bryant.edu>
anandajyoti wrote:
I agree with much of what Anandajyoti said (although he attributed
something to me that was written by Gene). The following points of
clarification.
1. To answer Gloria's point: Harsha is simply my name. When I use it, it
certainly does not mean I am putting anyone down. And I hope I have not
put anyone down.
2. Gopi Krishna's account is authentic and honest and has validity; it
also has very serious limitations which are obvious to me due to my
background.
3. Between the ages of 18 and 21, I went through a very difficult time
with the Shakti Awakening. Later on I experienced various Superconscious
states and Samadhis and ultimately Recognized the nature of the Self. I
know both the Terror and the Beauty of Kundalini Power. My observations
are purely from an experiential perspective.
4. When I was 12 and sitting on the open roof of my grandfather's house
with all my cousins playing around, I had insight into my past and my
future and formulated the first principle that I live by. "If one ever
has to choose between the Truth and one's teacher, one should always
choose the Truth. And I thought if some one ever has to choose between
what Harsha says and the Truth, they should always choose the Truth. I
have never once deviated from that. I speak plainly and simply. Everyone
should follow the Truth in their Heart.
Harsha
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 07:16:18 PST
From: "Susan Carlson" <divine_goddessATnospamhotmail.com>
To: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us, dorf01ATnospammail.win.org
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Buddha Bashing
Message-ID: <19971217151620.26579.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
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>> Gloria Lee wrote:
<snip>
>> Buddha being a bored rich guy who decides to abandon his wife and kid
(to
>> what fate? anyone know?) to wander off and "find himself".
<snip>
>>
>
Japna wrote:
>can mean the heartfelt desire to end suffering for every single
sentient
>being, not just his family or immediate town or district.
>
<snip>
>Whatever, the point of that part of the story is to abandon wordly
>attachment. The symbol of that is leaving home. "for he so loved the
>world..." the christian verse goes.
>Awakenings, have this tendency to loosen the holds and grips on our
>conventional reality. They change us. We really do 'leave home'. imo.
IF
>we dont, and we hold onto the tried & true, yikes! it hurts! You lose
>ground and wander into the ether with skills and tools for the solid.
>
This subject always fascinates me..how individual awakenings impact home
life.
When my K awakened I certainly 'burned some bridges' with my family in
the search to 'find myself'. Seven years later I am slowly rebuilding
those bridges.
My k awakening led me to live 3,000 miles from my family...two months
later. I started a totally different career. Left all my furniture, car,
my job, my bills, my responsibiilites, my friends, all my personal
possessions...and took what I could in two suitcases and left town. I
even left my dog, Frosty....sigh (I was 34).
I dont regret doing it..chasing K...I do regret at times 'how'I did it.
I now have read stories of 'saints' in India and in the West who
have/had successfully integrated their spiritual unfoldment with their
daily, in the world, lives.
Now I want to 'shine' where I live, in the now...not somewhere else
where perchance, in my perception, in might be easier.
In the best of all possible worlds, I would have chosen to unfold
spiritually in a responsible manner. I know 'responsible' may be a
matter of perception here.
I must question my attachmnent to a dramatic 'spiritual' awakening, for
with all my searching, is not god/dess always in my heart and in the
hearts of those I live with? Shakti/chiti permeates every particle in
the universe and is found in the spaces between the particles.
Again, the old cautions, is true joy and happiness something that is
found without myself, outside myself?
Wondering again,
Susan
ps. 'for he so loved the world' is quoted out of context...John
3:16...does not have to do with material attachments or leaving
home...it is a pivotal verse that comments on the Love of the Father for
the World.
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