1997/12/16 20:58
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #837
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 837
Today's Topics:
RE: The name of G-D (was RE: kundali [ Mike Stickles <msticklesATnospamantalys.co ]
RE: Bondage by Karma or Freedom by C [ Mike Stickles <msticklesATnospamantalys.co ]
RE: God and I [ Mike Stickles <msticklesATnospamantalys.co ]
Contradictions [ "Tom S" <t_shermanATnospamhotmail.com> ]
The Secret Divine [ Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu> ]
Re: Myth mini-rant (was RE: Bible sl [ sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net (Jack) ]
Re: sooo...ya don't beleive.. [ destinyATnospamcyberramp.net ]
Re: sooo...ya don't beleive.. [ freda <fredaATnospamblarg.net> ]
Re: sooo...ya don't beleive.. [ valerian <madammumATnospamptialaska.net> ]
Re: sooo...ya don't beleive.. [ freda <fredaATnospamblarg.net> ]
Unidentified subject! [ iri <iriATnospamivyrealty.com> ]
Re: Dreaming & Bugs [ Delirium <deliriumATnospamfull-moon.com> ]
Re: Myth mini-rant (was RE: Bible sl [ Delirium <deliriumATnospamfull-moon.com> ]
Revelation (DonBB) [ destinyATnospamcyberramp.net ]
Re: Revelation (DonBB) [ Delirium <deliriumATnospamfull-moon.com> ]
Re: Revelation (DonBB) [ destinyATnospamcyberramp.net ]
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 16:24:01 -0500
From: Mike Stickles <msticklesATnospamantalys.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: RE: The name of G-D (was RE: kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #830)
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(Another repost of a post that seems to have been lost -
apologies if I'm wrong)
I believe that as iri said:
> BTW, writing G-D is a convention for not taking (or
> saying) G-D's name in vain, therefore by omitting the
> O it is symbolic of not blaspheming the name of the
> Lord.
this is *symbolic*. It would become "petty dogma" only if
it became a rule which nobody remembered (or believed in)
the reason for anymore.
Many people and groups have varying traditions regarding
how they address God, each of which carries a different
symbolic meaning. For some individuals, the form of
address will change over time, reflecting their personal
understanding of their relationship with God. Use of a
name form like Yahweh or Jehovah emphasizes the
personal nature of their relationship; those using Lord or
Almighty God emphasize God's power and majesty;
the use of G-D or a similar device emphasizes God's
holiness (my view, anyway - correct me, iri, if I'm wrong
here); I personally call God "Father" or "Dad" which
emphasizes the "family" nature of the relationship (as
in the Bible, Galatians 4, especially verse 6).
>Really, folks, is God so very petty and vain so as
>not to want us to accknowlege who god is? Are
>we sooooo low compared to God that we are not
>worthy of even a word for God.
Let's look at it from the other side - is God so petty and
vain that He will not allow us to address Him in the way
that best reflects our understanding of Him? Or will He
accept our approach to Him according to the attitude of
our hearts, and teach us through the Spirit so that our
understanding can grow?
- Mike
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 16:22:36 -0500
From: Mike Stickles <msticklesATnospamantalys.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: RE: Bondage by Karma or Freedom by Christ?
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(reposting since it seems to have never made it to the
list - sorry if I'm wrong about that)
Athena dear,
Methinks you operate under a confusion.
>So are you defining your *absolutist* truth by
>feedback of the 5 sense oriented illusion of this
>3-dimensional world ????
Nope. My belief is that there *is* absolute truth - that
is, a universal truth behind the scenes which provides
the commonality between our individual perceptions.
I fortunately have yet to develop the arrogance required
to believe I know that truth in its entirety.
>how can something be both a *belief* and <in>
> Truths < which are abbsolute > .... sounds like
>an oxymoron to me !!!
Your syntax is a little confusing, but I assume you're
pointing out the apparent contradiction between belief
(assumed to be conditional or uncertain) and the
"certainty" of an absolute. The contradiction is indeed
only apparent. When I say, "I believe," that is not just
another way of saying "I think." It means rather, "I am
sufficiently convinced this is true to base my actions
on it." For example, if I say, "I believe this building is
on fire," but do nothing to get out, call the fire dept,
etc, *that* would be a contradiction.
>hmmmm... please give example of one such
>*absolute* truth ????..
Certainly. The first absolute truth I recognize is "there
are absolute truths" (actually, "there is absolute truth"
would be better, since truth forms a consistent whole).
This is not redundant - the question of whether any
absolute truth(s) exist(s) is one of the basic questions
of philosophy. Second - "God is." This is rather vague,
I realize, but belief in the existence of God must come
before any consideration of his/her/its nature. Note, to
say that a truth is "absolute" does not mean that it is
accepted by all - just that it is true for all whether or
not they accept it. Gravity will act on me whether or
not I believe in it. God is there whether or not I accept
it as fact. All of my other beliefs and assumptions
regarding truth are based on these two.
>please explain this *known* phenomena < ask
>any cop > ...why 5 witnesses to the same
>accident will give 5 different versions ???? Is there
>something actually *wrong* with their sensory
>aparatus ??? Or are they Perceiving and
>Translating what they perceive through their own
>*agenda* ??? < ie. Belief systems, past
>experiences, emotions, et cet > ??????
They are indeed perceiving through their own filters, but
look at what that implies - that is there is a *common
something* which they are all perceiving. The very fact
that we can agree on anything about this world implies
that there is an "absoluteness" underneath which we
all perceive (though imperfectly) through our sense
perceptions - otherwise, what would cause the
commonalities? The only other explanation I could think
of would be that the rest of you are illusions, merely part
of me and not separate at all - but if so, that underlying
unity of all would then be the "absoluteness" underneath.
>You say you are a fundamentalist... please explain
>to me what Jesus meant in Mt 8:13... or how Jesus
>healed ????
I fail to see how my being a fundamentalist would imply a
disbelief in healing or the power of God - it should be just
the reverse. Or do you think my belief in absolutes must
imply that I don't think faith has a place, that everything is
predestined by physics? Nope, ixnay, not so. There are
spiritual absolutes as well as physical ones. The principle
of "you reap what you sow", karma, "what goes around
comes around," or however you put it, is an absolute no
less real for the fact that it cannot be measured in a
laboratory like gravity or radiation.
Perhaps I'm not understanding what it is you're asking in
this question, or what you're assuming my mindset to be.
>In order for it to be a *universal* truth... it MUST be
>true under ALL circumstances
Yep. However, that does NOT mean that APPEARANCE
will be the same under all circumstances. Back to the
example you were using, gravity. Gravity doesn't mean
that something will simply "fall down" - it means that all
bodies with mass exert an attractive force on all other
bodies which is proportional to their masses and in
inverse proportion to the square of their separation. There
is indeed gravity in space - but the force is far less than
on the Earth's surface because out there you are farther
away from significant masses. A carrier pigeon is subject
to the pull of gravity - but by the laws of aerodynamics it
uses the air to exert a lift force which balances out the
force of gravity, keeping it aloft (which it of course is not
directly aware of - that is, the poor bird doesn't have to
solve the differential equations of motion in order to fly -
another example of the laws operating regardless of
belief or understanding).
Looking back to the Greeks and forward to Einstein - we
see that in the physical realm at least, certain truths were
recognized long ago, but our understanding of them has
evolved over time. I believe (i.e., am fully convinced) that
this happens in the spiritual realm as well - we recognize
a truth but have to grow in our understanding of it.
>everybody looks at life through their* experiences..
>*all* is related to *self* ... put *that* in your dogma
>pipe <s>
As I said, the *reality* of truth and our *perceptions* of it
are two different (though related) things. And it would be
strange indeed if truths had no variance in their effects.
Back to gravity - the trajectory of a cannonbal, the flight
of a pigeon, the stately dance of the stars and planets,
the clumsy thud of my rear on the sidewalk after slipping
on the ice - all are varying effects caused (at least in part)
by the truth of gravity (in cooperation with aerodynamics,
inertia, and the like). The wide variations in the effects -
or the perceptions - certainly does not negate the unity
of the underlying truth(s).
Climbing down off my soapbox (and juggling the tomatoes
instead of throwing them :-)...
- Mike
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 16:26:21 -0500
From: Mike Stickles <msticklesATnospamantalys.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: RE: God and I
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(Yet another repost - I think this is the last lost one)
amckeon writes:
>Especially when we have such mixed messages in
>the bible of love and fear. How can someone who
>wants us to fear him also expect love from us?
>Wouldn't that be an oxymoron? <snip>
Not really. My memories of my own earthly father are a
good example for me. As a very young child, he instilled
in me a fear of his punishment in areas where I was too
immature to know on my own what was right, but that did
not interfere with him loving me or me loving him. In fact,
his discipline was very much an expression of his love for
me. He loved me too much to let me continue in habits
that could ruin my life if allowed to grow unchecked. His
methods of teaching me right and wrong changed as I
changed - as I matured, physical discipline decreased
and reasoning and teaching increased. As I became an
adult, fear(discipline) no longer played any role in our
relationship.
The Bible says, "The fear of the Lord is the *beginning* of
wisdom." It is a starting-place, not a destination. Another
verse says, "perfect love casts out fear." As love grows,
fear recedes. I was initially prompted to search for God
out of fear of what my eternal destiny would be - now, I
continue to seek to deepen my relationship with Him
out of a growing love for the one who created me. I won't
say that fear is totally "cast out", but when fear appears
I know that I have found an area in my life where love has
not yet penetrated.
- Mike
P.S. - Susan wrote
>Those who are reflectively inclined advance by knowing God
>Those whose emotions are strong do better to concentrate on
loving God
>The actively inclined make time by serving God
>while experimenters become good meditators <snip>
>Just thinking about some of the recent posts, maybe some of our
>differences can be explained by the differing temperaments and
their
>inclinations. Someone who works on just loving God may find it
hard to
>reconcile with the person who aims to know God and visa versa?
IMHO, an excellent summation.
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 15:27:26 PST
From: "Tom S" <t_shermanATnospamhotmail.com>
To: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Contradictions
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Dear K List,
I was wondering that when we have opinions does it reflect how our life
is going at the time?(How easily that could change,can it?) When
well-meaning people use God to put people down or an other example would
be"If i am happy why isn't everyone else" statement. And how smart we
think we are,how we like to brag and be know it all's.I guess it says
that we are all inner children down here trying to find the answers,and
some people think they found it. I guess i never will.
Sincerely,
Tom Sherman
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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 13:53:09 -1000
From: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: The Secret Divine
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Hi Gloria:
Thanks you for posting this message from Gene:
I have to concur with this wholely.
>>> He says: People generally think that Soma means the sacred mushroom
or some
> other mind-altering drug. Scholars like Dr. Watson, Dr. Grof, etc.,
> think that the Rig Veda is referring to a psychedelic plant, such as
> comes from the Hom tree, or the sacred mushroom. But that is the
> exoteric teaching. They do not know about the esoteric meaning, which
> refers only to the initiated, and means the transformed seed, the retas,
> which flows upward into the brain and fuels ones consciousness.
This is true in the Upanishads too... there is huge misunderstanding and I
have told many people it is the soma that drips onto the back of the
tongue and they look at me as if I am nuts.. but thank goodness this is
getting out. Thanks for posting this. Thanks.
> It is because this esoteric knowledge has been withheld from the
> people by New Age gurus, teachers, writers, etc., that the New Age
> Movement has stalled and has become stagnant.
Well your New Age movement may be, but mine isn't! Ha aha... The real
gurus have gone on to their abodes.. that is why.. they had a window to
teach in and then they had to go.. sort of 70-89... It seems that way
anyway.
This silence has to be
> broken if there is to be any progress in the 21st Century.
There is no silence here.. I disagree with Gene here.. I cannot say this
list is silent and you all know I spout off all over the place. Look at
Mystress Angelique for heaven's sake wanting to go on TV. It is not
so much a silence as that without the experience people could never
imagine such a thing.. and I would say it is up to the people like us on
this list and at KRC to start spreading the word. All this was sacred
secret knowledge only 50 years ago.. forbidden to be told.
HOWEVER, even if those who have not had this experience never have it and
cannot understand it.. WE - yes the K-ites - have had this experience and
we have the creative intelligence that will carry with it ALL the ones who
have not experienced it. I believe in the 100th monkey effect.. there is
something that occurs when enough people are at a certain vibratory rate
then the whole species begins to vibrate at that rate.. the Hopi say
that 144,000 is all that is needed to be awake; Hopi and the Maya
and a few other ancient peoples who have maintained the memory of the
history of our species say this. It is
very new age concept but be thankful for it for there have come many
blessings out of the Harmonic Convergence consciousness raising efforts in
1987.
> Once Urdhava-retas occurs, the subject can then blossom into a genius,
> a poet, a world-teacher. That is really what Kundalini is all about.
> But this knowledge is being withheld for political and religious
reasons.
Who is withholding it... I wonder if anyone knows this? I do believe in a
conspiracy to keep people ignorant and misinformed by greedy economic
forces... but is anyone actually withholding the knowledge of K? How
could they? The forces that held this in secret for so many centuries
no longer are doing this. As my guru said, he was given a mandate to come
to the West and tell as many souls as possible and so were many other
gurus. It hardly seems like there is withholding now. Do you agree with
this Gloria?
Thanks for the post. ANy idea how to get their mailings.. they do not
answer my mail.
Ruth
******
Love allows freedom. Drop the idea that attachment and love are the same
thing. They are enemies. It is attachment that destroys love. (Osho)
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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 23:53:05 GMT
From: sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net (Jack)
To: Mike Stickles <msticklesATnospamantalys.com>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Myth mini-rant (was RE: Bible slamming)
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On Tue, 16 Dec 97 21:16:44 +0000, you wrote:
>If you remember the title/author/whatever of the book that
>you read this in, please let me know. I've heard the theory
>before that all belief systems before 10,000 BC were
>female-based, that matriarchy was widespread, etc, but
>quite frankly have never seen any substantiation of those
>claims (not to say I haven't seen them asserted a lot).
>
>- Mike
The Chalice and the Blade by Riane Eisler
In search of the Indo-Europeans by James P. Mallory
Snowcrash - Neal Stephenson
Genesis Revisited - ?????????
Best I could remember. Mallory and Eisler are anthropology. Snowcrash
is the Sci-Fi and Genesis is non-fiction that ties in with Snowcrash.
Jack
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 18:12:43 -0600
From: destinyATnospamcyberramp.net
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: sooo...ya don't beleive..
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>"everything is spiritual, what isn't?" ...Ramtha
>
>freda
"Ramtha." ...God
:-)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 16:19:07 -0800
From: freda <fredaATnospamblarg.net>
To: destinyATnospamcyberramp.net
CC: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: sooo...ya don't beleive..
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destinyATnospamcyberramp.net wrote:
>
> >"everything is spiritual, what isn't?" ...Ramtha
> >
> >freda
>
> "Ramtha." ...God
>
> :-)
I suppose so... aren't we ALL God?
--
..freda..
BE-IS-AM ...manifesting again...
http://www.blarg.net/~freda/01rg/hm/frhm.htm
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 15:24:25 -0800
From: valerian <madammumATnospamptialaska.net>
To: fredaATnospamblarg.net
CC: destinyATnospamcyberramp.net, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: sooo...ya don't beleive..
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freda wrote:
>
> destinyATnospamcyberramp.net wrote:
> >
> > >"everything is spiritual, what isn't?" ...Ramtha
> > >
> > >freda
> >
> > "Ramtha." ...God
> >
> > :-)
>
> I suppose so... aren't we ALL God?
no, I think until just after the New Year, only Santa Claus is God...
Does Santa have any symbiotic relationship to the baby Jesus? I mean
does he have to give him a *cut* in all the profits somewhere?
(sorry Jesus, you forgot to read the *fine print at the bottom!)
:-)
v
--
"There was a man who entered a local paper's pun contest. He sent in
ten different puns, in the hope that at least one of the puns would win.
Unfortunately, no pun in ten did."
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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 16:40:52 -0800
From: freda <fredaATnospamblarg.net>
To: madammumATnospamptialaska.net
CC: destinyATnospamcyberramp.net, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: sooo...ya don't beleive..
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> > > >"everything is spiritual, what isn't?" ...Ramtha
> > > >
> > > >freda
destiny writes:
> > > "Ramtha." ...God
> > > :-)
freda here:
> > I suppose so... aren't we ALL God?
V writes:
> no, I think until just after the New Year, only Santa Claus is God...
> Does Santa have any symbiotic relationship to the baby Jesus? I mean
> does he have to give him a *cut* in all the profits somewhere?
> (sorry Jesus, you forgot to read the *fine print at the bottom!)
> :-)
> v
Freda here:
I am not sure what your point is here?
Are you by chance suggesting that the "illusions" of some are real, like
say,........yours?
and the "illusions" of someone else's say that of.... Ramtha, is unreal?
it is either all or nothing, you can't have it both ways.....
and this being MY illusion, I say we are all God. [even when I sign
Santa on the gift card!!!!!!!]
--
..freda..
BE-IS-AM ...manifesting again...
http://www.blarg.net/~freda/01rg/hm/frhm.htm
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 17:05:55 -0800
From: iri <iriATnospamivyrealty.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Unidentified subject!
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i see love and i cry from happiness
i see pain and i cry from sadness
i see the miracle of life and i cry from the shear wonder of it
i cry a river for someone, perhaps even an ocean of tears
and then i remember an old tune
young maiden young maiden te-ell me true,
what can grow without the dew
what can burn for years and years
and what can cry but shed no tears
-----SNIP------
young maiden young maiden, i'll te-ell you true
a rock can grow without the dew
love can burn for years and years
and a hearrt can cry but shed no tears
Kundalini or otherwise some things are just wonderful
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Raymond's wife is in tears with worry
Raymond's daughter who is a teenager is frightened and hardly speaks
Raymond's operation was postponed till Friday
Stress abounds
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a friend comes to visit with me over the holidays
he makes the most of life....amazing all the more
for a few years now, since he returned from a consulting contract in Uganda
his doctor has said he has a chronic bronchitis condition
but it's more, he said his lung fibres are hardening and one day his lungs
simply wont expand enough for him to breathe
his doctor had estimated that he has 5 - 10 years to live
still, he makes the most of life...a valuable role model for some to learn from
he has made one concession - he doesn't smoke cigars or pipes any more
he lost his wife to cancer many years ago...his son has a family of his own
and lives too far away from him to see him on a regular basis...
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GOD/DESS, life and death in his/her name
WHY?
bombs flying, toxic waste, death all around
today the wedding, next week the same soldier's funeral
been there, seen it...see myself in the mirror
why am i here? why do i do it?
how many lives can i save? so i asked numerous times
tired...mistakes can happen when tired...oooo what's the use
smoke grenades, teargas grenades, percussion grenades, shrapnell type
grenades, anti-tank mines, anti-personnel mines, button mines, parcel bombs,
letter bombs, bullets fly...7.62mm United Nations standard issue, dumdum
bullets, hollow point bullets, armour piercing bullets, grenade launchers,
laws rockets, Topolovs, Stealths, Ak47, M16, Uzi, heat seeker missiles, air
to air missiles, ground to air missiles, air to ground missiles, napalm
bombs, percussion bombs, germ warfare delivery systems, nuclear delivery
systems, automated firing control systems, pulse engine technology (look for
the knotted rope-like contrails)...what a world!...so bent on destruction
WHY?
YES WE NEED AN AWAKENING but it must be on a global scale
In the meantime, we need a worldwide healing...help the world to save itself
Ascencion does not come soon enough
and yet perhaps this is what the souls of people wish to experiment with...
wisdom or folly I know not...what say you all?
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the light, the heat, the warmth, the glow, the guardians are here
and now they speak volumes...Gabriel, David, Michal, Gilgamesh
but it is for my ears at the moment...why me? is it a gift or a burden?
Peace comes to this planet all too rarely like a stranger
Death all too frequently and all too familar like an old friend
it should be the other way around
Peace on Earth and Good Will to All would seem to be nice right about now
The Sounds of Silence...where be you?
Make this the first of many happy holidays and eventually make it every day
Make war no more...the sooner the better
Be not afraid of something unfamiliar
Make not an enemy of someone who has a different belief than you
May the spirits always be good to you and Bless each and every one of you
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 20:05:28 +0000
From: Delirium <deliriumATnospamfull-moon.com>
To: Kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Dreaming & Bugs
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> A McKeon wrote:
>
> I have puzzled at hearing that some people have "night sweats" that
> really bother them. I have always found them pleasant. Restful sleep and
> productive dreaming at the same time. Maybe about once a month I actually
> sleep about 5 or 6 hours in a row without having to get up. It is so
> refreshing. If this potential for good sleep comes around on a work day,
> and the alarm interrupts it, it really pisses me off. People who can sleep
> a straight 8 hours or more without awakening don't realize how lucky they
> are.
Night sweats came for me about three years ago and haven't left...the dreams
are wonderful, the sleep is good, but boy are those jammies getting washed
often! <grin> I'll frequently wake up absolutely drenched to find that the
bedclothes and sheets aren't wet at all...I don't understand this...but it
seems my kundalini might have been stirring for quite a bit longer than I
realized, from reading the posts describing various "symptoms"...night sweats
among them, yes?
I am looking right now at a painting I did about the time these started, I
called it at the time "the cosmic egg"...and I think it describes the kundalini
state for me...I'll put a scan up on my webpage if I ever get it finished!
> M wrote:
> >Recently I have been undergoing a metal detox and feel so many of these
> >symptoms have come back stronger all over again - - - including the loss of
> >my dreams. It makes me so sad. I feel I loose a big part of my spirituality
> >and lots of my celelstial guidance along with the dreams. I hope the detox
> >will ultimately bring them back full force.
Don't be sad about not remembering the dreams...I personally think it means
your detox is going well, the healing is being done...and the dreams, if you
have them, are subconsciously remembered...we *can* get addicted to dreaming
(my dreams are so colorful and wild I have times when I'd much rather be
sleeping and dreaming than awake!)
> and AMcKeon added:
> P.S. Maybe those bugs are absorbing the toxins for you. They could be your
> icky little buddies.
Yep,,,I'm thinking of my little "buddies" in my first apartment after high
school...I think they "absorbed a lot of toxins" for me then! <grins>
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 20:23:32 +0000
From: Delirium <deliriumATnospamfull-moon.com>
To: Kundalini-l <Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Myth mini-rant (was RE: Bible slamming)
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Remember, Mike, that in *loads* of cases the actual documentation of
these events was destroyed by those who conquered...the library at ...
Alexandria? methinks...without having the history books for reference
it's a guess...but I think that's right...was one prime example...it has
been said that a major part of historical documentation was lost in the
sacking of the library. So just 'cause it ain't written down don't mean
it didn't happen.
--Delirium
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 20:48:31 -0600
From: destinyATnospamcyberramp.net
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Cc: DonBBenson <DonBBensonATnospamaol.com>
Subject: Revelation (DonBB)
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Don....
I took quite a bit of time to answer your inquiries concerning Christianity
in precise verbage. To this day you have not responded either to the list
or to me concerning the relevant issues I carefully presented to you; even
though I cc'd you privately.
I feel that your non-response is an indication of either your ignorance or
your tactics to avoid direct common sense confrontation. So be it.
What I relayed to you is truth; if you have a differing opinion I am
awaiting your response.
With Light and Love,
John bill beaudine
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 21:04:14 +0000
From: Delirium <deliriumATnospamfull-moon.com>
To: destinyATnospamcyberramp.net
CC: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Revelation (DonBB)
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Not being Don, but being posted to by Don, I'm not sure precisely *what*
or *who* Don is.
What I mean by this (before you label me a kook <g>) is: This person
shows up on the list and posts newcomers with invitations to "accept
Jesus"...then he posts *warm and fuzzy* stuff like the recent, that
makes me feel like hugging him...
My thinking is that he is a "plant" (no, not a philodendron!) <grins>
I'm formulating a theory that DBB is calculatingly posting stuff that
intentionally spurs others to post either "attacks", rebuttals, or just
gets things generally stirred up. I dunno if this is correct, but it's
my theory...(note to DonB...yer "busted", dear! :-)
For what it's worth (which is probly nada, nix, zippo!)...Delirium
(With you being "destiny" I'd gather we're *related*)!!!<har!>)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 21:09:29 -0600
From: destinyATnospamcyberramp.net
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Cc: deliriumATnospamionet.net
Subject: Re: Revelation (DonBB)
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>For what it's worth (which is probly nada, nix, zippo!)...Delirium
>
>(With you being "destiny" I'd gather we're *related*)!!!<har!>)
we are One....
There is a time for repose and a time to attack.
I am tired of DonBB's bullsquat-toddy.
Clarity demands direct response, which I gave, and his non-response seaks
volumes.
John bill beaudine
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