1997/12/14 11:05
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #828
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 828
Today's Topics: Re: Bible slamming [ Richard Wentk ]
where/what is God....? [ TDVW36AATnospamprodigy.com ( THOMAS SMITH) ] Re: Kundalini And Study [ Gloria Greco
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com Subject: Re: Bible slamming
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At 13:34 13/12/97 -0600, Athena wrote:
>>> Well, for me that particular old grouch was originally a
personification of >> a certain rather crude form of tribal consciousness. And still is for
some > people. :-) >
>Excellent thought !!!!! >
>However... does that invalidate * creator/creation * theory/concept * >???
Maybe. Maybe not.
Maybe a creator isn't neccessary at all. Maybe the universe just sort of
happened. Maybe we created it collectively and then forgot we were playing with it. Maybe it's all the work of an evil 4th dimensional ET who got out
of the wrong side of bed one morning. :-)
Ultimately - who knows? You pays your money and you buys your philosophy. If you're lucky somewhere along the way it will coincide with some version
or other of reality.
>> Sitchin and Nibiru have been quite thoroughly torn to shreds in various >> places. Personally I think his ideas are *very* flaky,
> >In *my* truth... the presentation of these ideas seem flakey...but based
>on sound scientific findings... >
>To wit: "After the discovery of the Planet Pluto in 1930CE, astronomers >soon noted that earlier theories regarding the hypothetical influences
>of such a planet on the orbits of Planets Uranus and Neptune were not >validated by the existence of *only* Pluto. So eventually in the 1970s
>after computers were becoming commonplace, a computer-generated model of >this "Planet X," as it was called, was created. It was determined that
>Planet X would have to be at least five times bigger than the Planet >Earth. They also calculated the length and shape of its orbit around the
>Sun as well as the number of years necessary to complete such an orbit."
Ah. Now this idea didn't last very long after someone realised they had missed a few numbers in their calculations.
None of the Voyager probes showed any evidence of the kind of gravitational
influences that a large tenth planet would create, and Pluto's orbit is stable enough for the latest set of NASA planetary elements to accurately
predict its position until well into the next century.
Also, a 3600 year orbit is not astronomically stable, unless the planet at the other end is a few thousand times larger than the Sun - in which case
we're orbiting it, and it isn't orbiting us, and we'd have noticed that by now.
So on current evidence Nibiru is pretty damn unlikely.
If new evidence turns up I promise to change my mind. Honest. :-)
>> and for me it makes
>> no more sense to me to *believe* in them than it does to *believe* in the Bible
>> as the 'received word of God.' One's an ancient myth, the other is a modern >> myth.
> >Is it a *myth* ??? or just a hypothesis that has not been proven yet ???
It's a myth if it remains unprovable. Or if the evidence looks less than
convincing if you look at it closely. Or if it makes more sense to read it metaphorically as a depiction of someone's inner psychological landscape
rather than as a literal reality.
>> Nibiru, for example, is an astronomical impossibility. Ain't no such >> animal. If there were we'd have seen it by now. Sorry. :-)
> >Well... Computers were no such animals 100 years ago....to paraphrase
>Willie : >" There are things Horatio, not yet dreamed of in our world.."
> >So I submit to you, Richard... there are Truths not yet discovered...
True enough. I have no problem with that idea. But still - I'd be very
surprised indeed if Nibiru were one of them.
For my money the future is likely to be *much* weirder than any of us can even begin to imagine right now. I suspect 4th dimensional ETs with a bad
attitude won't even get a look in...
>> Something similar goes for Mr Icke, by the way. I've met the guy, done some >> work with him, and know his former mentor. She used to live near here and
>> is not, I have to say, the most grounded person I've ever met. >
>hmmm sounds like a judgement call to me *grin*..... heheheh its ok, >people call me *weird* too...but I have particularly wide shoulders...
Actually she's a sweet person, as is he. But in my experience I've found
these rather right-brained types are good at the heart centre stuff, but also gullible as anything and very excitable emotionally - in that they'll
believe anything that gives them an emotional buzz without bothering to reality-check it first.
I prefer to work with people who sit somewhere between the left-brain and
right-brain camps - grounded intuition seems a lot more convincing and effective to me. More reliable too, both personally and spiritually.
In the spiritual world, I tend to give paranoia and conspiracy theories a
wide berth. I'm sure there's lots more going on behind the scenes that we know about, and some of it is less than healthy. But IMO any 'enemies' that
are out there are far from omnipotent - they're far more likely to be very sad people, or possibly very sad entities, that simply look pathetic and
frightened up close. They're certainly not worth investing with our fears. Besides, that only gives them more power, no?
Just my personal bias...
>> As for chips and the Mark of the Beast and Revelation -..... Or are we
going to > waste the *next* two thousand years quaking in our shoes waiting for the End >Times again?
> >Those that don't get their spiritual *shit* together will... imho
Hey - now isn't *that* a judgement call? :-)))
I have a fantasy that one day a realisation will sweep across the world and
*everyone* will realise that they don't need to live in fear any more. Or that they're under any pressure to 'make the grade' emotionally or
spiritually, because if they don't really bad things will happen to them.
I'd be very happy indeed if that happened.
>*grin* to *me* people are creating, from their belief system,and with >their emotions... that which *they* need to try to sort out the eternal
>questions ...
True enough. But it doesn't hurt to cow-tip a few sacred cows every so often, just to see if they're really the stuck and immovable parts of the
spiritual landscape that they appear to be.
:-))
R. Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 17:42:20 +0000
From: fransATnospamdegas.telebyte.nl To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
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Everybody dreams, there's no doubt about that. And dreams do their
job whether you remember them or not. Lot's of people do, and lot's don't, no big deal. When you remember dreams a lot, they haunt your
mind, i would say it's a sign to do something with them... If not, it's just not your way and you probably sleep better!, frans
> I have also noticed that as i get older, i tend to not remember my > dreams as often...and i am usually so exhausted by the time i do go to
> bed, that i sometimes dont even think i dream. I think dreaming or > not dreaming is an individual thing.
> > Love and Light...
> > Lorianna
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 17:42:50 +0000 From: fransATnospamdegas.telebyte.nl
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com Subject: Re: dead bugs
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Hello M, in DREAM terminologie it would surely be possible. Do you feel good about it? Anyway, i would say it is what makes sense to
you, (just check if you're not fooling yourself) and trust that. Frans
> Anyone else ever see an unusually high proportion of dead bugs lying around > both here and there and know about its metaphysical sinifigance/symbolism?
> My intuition says it is an outward manifestion of the metal detox I am going > through and probably something good. Bugs to me (indoors anyway) seem to
> symbolize irritants. >
> I'd appreciate input on this. >
> Thanks, >
> M >
> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 17:57:08 +0200
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Hi :)
>From my experience with the bible and catholic church it definitely doesn't agree with me personally. to me its a froceful religion which thrives on fearing god. I am not saying its bad just bad for me. My parents are catholic. I have constantly been forced to go to church even though I say I dont want to. I also was forced to be confirmed. Now that doesnt make sense does it? I mean confirmation means you are old enough to say whether you want to be catholic or not a sort of second baptism. Yet I really had no say in it. In reference to the bible I would say that its like any other book, its good if read critically. There are some things in there which I just simply cannot agree with. Who's to say whether some monk in a monastery in the middle ages didn't decide to change a few words for his personal gain. We just dont know. I still have to go to church but when I do I have to shield myself cos I feel suffocated and encapsulated. I feel just because I go in there I am damned for who I am. The catholic god is a god of fear and jealousy from my point of view. Over this year I have looked at and studied quite a few religions. God is not something seperate from us something out there. ITs within. This is the holographic view of the world. We are part of the whole but are the whole. I guess I have a problem with organised religion in general. Giving your power away to a priest or whatever. Confession only allowed through a priest to me is ridiculous. just my point of view and from my experience. This is my truth but of course its only one truth out of many. As for the 4th dimensional ET thing I think its a very plausible idea. I have read a bit about it. If you think about the bible there are so many contradictions and also with other religious books. I just wonder could those be placed there just to confuse us and make more fear for these entities to feed on? In the realm of the soul we already know everything. There is no need for books. Books server as a trigger for what we already know.
Love and Light Ivo Visic
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Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 10:57:47, -0500 From: TDVW36AATnospamprodigy.com ( THOMAS SMITH)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: where/what is God....?
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Where/what is God?
And God said:
To some of you I am a man. To some of you I am a woman.
To some, I am both. To some, I am neither.
To some of you I am pure energy. To some, the ultimate feeling, which you call love.
And some of you have no idea what I am. You simply know that I AM.
And so it is. I AM.
I am the wind which rustles your hair.
I am the sun which warms your body. I am the rain which dances on your face.
I am the smell of flowers in the air, and I am the flowers which send their fragrance upward.
I am the air which carries the fragrance. I am the beginning of your first thought.
I am the end of your last. I am the idea which sparked your most brilliant moment.
I am the glory of its fulfillment. I am the feeling which fueled the most loving thing you ever did.
I am the part of you which yearns for that feeling again and again.
Whatever works for you, whatever makes it happen - whatever ritual, ceremony, demonstration, meditation,
thought, song, word, or action it takes for you to "reconnect" - do this. Do this in remembrance of Me.
amen
____
God Loves You Forever Tom
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 10:00:10 +0100 From: Gloria Greco
To: Manoj Nanda CC: "kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com"
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Manoj Nanda wrote:
> > With Final Exams
> coming soon I wonder if anyone had any helpful advice. >
> The problem could essentially come from a lack of surrrendering when > Shakti wants to not work, Its just when I dont work I get the niggling
> feeling I should be doing something > all the time or I just wont get the grade. I am doing quite a technical
> course Computing and Informations Systems so it can be quite distressing > when my left brain decides to zonk
> out and stop processing in logic. >
> What other experiences have people had with this? >
> Hi Manoj,
When we did our newspaper twice a month which were 20 to 24 pages each of which I did most of the writing, and what I didn't write I edited.
There was simply one way to do it, and that was to do it when it came and rest when it didn't, and in the switching of the attention from one
point of concentration to another you actually obtain unconscious concentration which moves everything to a much higher frequency.
It is the combination of movement from point to point in flow that really creates the dramatic shift in energies. What I find to be
interesting is that this is a technique taught in Zazen Zen, it is called transferring attention and relieving obsession towards one
pointedness through deliberate action of movement. You have to be very detached so that you don't cross signals and stay
with the flow, but if you do this and do it naturally with rhythmn, concentration and complete trust and knowing you will have amzaing
results without any effort whatso ever. Use it as spiritual training. When you are totally open and use it as waking concentration with self
discipline controlling the letting go process to stay in the heart center, you will simply be amazed at what will manifest.
This also works if you have something on your mind in zen, instead of pulling away from it, you go into it and simply concentrate on it, when
it leaves then it will really leave. Gloria
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Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher. Gloria Joy Greco
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