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kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #827


kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 827

Today's Topics:
  RE: Intro. & a Few Answers [ st <jtstATnospambsl1.bslnet.com> ]
  RE: Bible slamming [ Lorianna Burkes <lady_enchantmentATnospamy ]
  Re: *REAL TIME EMERGENCY*[off topic] [ valerian <madammumATnospamptialaska.net> ]
  Re: Thirty Three [ Lorianna Burkes <lady_enchantmentATnospamy ]
  Re: Bible slamming [ "F. Drew " <leydaATnospamvalunet.com> ]
  Kundalini And Study [ Manoj Nanda <nandamATnospamcs.man.ac.uk> ]
  Merry Christmas Kiss [ TDVW36AATnospamprodigy.com ( THOMAS SMITH) ]
  the Way and the Calves [ TDVW36AATnospamprodigy.com ( THOMAS SMITH) ]
  Grace and the Beast [ DonBBenson <DonBBensonATnospamaol.com> ]
  Re: Thirty Three [ "Kirk Anderson" <d242kaosATnospamgte.net> ]
  Re: ego......EGO [ TDVW36AATnospamprodigy.com ( THOMAS SMITH) ]
  Interested in subscribing [ mraft <at3ATnospamearthlink.net> ]
  Re: [genius] *REAL TIME EMERGENCY*[o [ valerian <madammumATnospamptialaska.net> ]
  Kundalini-Awakening tips searched [ thomas.reinbergerATnospamt-online.de (Serv ]
  RE: 2nd chakra--Negative not necessa [ Dieter Dambiec <d.dambiecATnospamstudent.c ]
  The Colors of Love [ "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu> ]
  Re: Bible slamming [ LH5110 <LH5110ATnospamaol.com> ]
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 17:42:53 -0700 (MST)
From: st <jtstATnospambsl1.bslnet.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: RE: Intro. & a Few Answers
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.91.971213172435.6866O-100000ATnospambsl1.bslnet.com>
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Greetings all,

I've been lurking on this list due to a Server problem. I'm wading thru
belated digests and have discovered the comforting spirituality on this List.
I'm honored to be a member.

To answer a few questions in my backlog of Digests:

Ruth asked about the seven year cycles. This is directly correlated with the
astrological cycles of Saturn. I, too, received a K awakening at the age of
33, after enduring (and learning) the lessons from my Saturn Return at
age 28. My friend, who is 33, is also having his awakening at this age.
This is an amazing occurrence! I feel I *began* at age 33.

Also, after suffering through a bout of Roman Catholicism, which confused me
endlessly, I am now firmly enmeshed in an eclectic form of a nature religion,
where I have found a deep sense of inner peace. Who cares if people look at
me oddly while I converse with trees. :)

What prompted me to join this List is to comingle with others who are
experiencing a series of jolts, which my Guides have told me are *clearing
blockages.* Last week I had an almost seizure type of activity, during
meditation, which was slowed by my Guide to *sever the link* with me so as
not to overtax my body. I assume this is a normal occurrence with others on
the List. ?? I was in such a deep trance that I was hardly aware of the
seizure activity; my friend had to explain this to me. Comments?

Delurking to show appreciation for this List.

Peace,
Zehra
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 16:25:45 -0800 (PST)
From: Lorianna Burkes <lady_enchantmentATnospamyahoo.com>
To: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>, Mike Stickles <msticklesATnospamantalys.com>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: RE: Bible slamming
Message-ID: <19971214002545.4106.rocketmailATnospamsend1b.yahoomail.com>
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---Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu> wrote:
>Are we asking
why we had to be kicked out of the Garden of Eden.. who could be mad
with us and put us into such a dire strait? Who calls it love to kick
us out like that? Not any thing I call God... so check out that Bible
with a new flag in your head. If this were your father would you like
him? AND if he is your father, where has your mother been all this time?
These are not intended to be flippant questions.. I am seriously asking
you.
The answers can unpeel thousands of years of domination and deprivation.
===================

Ruth...like yourself, i have asked these same questions and more since
i was a child....even asked my preacher, and later my bishop about
these (as i changed religions hoping to find the answers), but what i
have discovered over time is that my "God" is in everything around
me...down to the simplist of things, and definitely within me to my
core....and so i can not accept the teachings in the Bible as complete
"words of God" because for me, they do not sound like things the God i
know and love would say or do. I dont accept the fact that God is
jealous, vengeful, war-monging, and selfish. My god, the one that
dweels within and without me is loving, caring, respecting and
peaceful. I dont need a book to tell me these things....this isnt a
slam on the Bible...i think it must be beneficial to those who would
rather be led than to lead themselves. i personally chose to follow
my instincts about my God.

Love and Light...

Lorianna
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Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 15:23:23 -0800
From: valerian <madammumATnospamptialaska.net>
To: Phil Vinson <pvinsonATnospamflash.net>
CC: Listening-lATnospamzrz.TU-Berlin.DE, genius-lATnospamMyList.net, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com,
 zendoATnospammail.win.org
Subject: Re: *REAL TIME EMERGENCY*[off topic]
Message-ID: <34946A5A.583DATnospamptialaska.net>

> >v:without looking at it, does anybody know how likely a fuse box with a
> >closed door is likely to short out the whole electrical system? in
> >short, should i be calling 9-11, or just over-reacting???
>
>pv: Not likely, but I wouldn't stick my hand in the fuse box while it's wet.
> I'd try to dry it out with a hair dryer or such.

v: thanks for the tip!
 people around here seem to think it's not an emergency, since we still
have power!
sorta like the American Medical Association - "if it ain't broke, don't
fix it!"
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 17:14:06 -0800 (PST)
From: Lorianna Burkes <lady_enchantmentATnospamyahoo.com>
To: NancyATnospamwtp.net, kundalini-1 <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Thirty Three
Message-ID: <19971214011406.14427.rocketmailATnospamsend1b.yahoomail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Greetings All...

Well since we are all posting when our lives began to change and we
became more spiritually aware, i thought i would post my eye-opening
moment for everyone too.

For many years i had turned my back on anything religious or spiritual
(bad vibes from a church and its members...wont go into details) and
so i lived my life pretty close to that of atheisim. Then about 2
years ago, i began to get these vibes...not sure what to call
them..but i began to look at things a little differently. Even to
having children...which is something i SWORE i would never do..and now
i want them badly. I think this was when kundalini began in
me...although i cannot tell for sure if that was indeed what it
was...but i became so restless...like there was something important i
was supposed to be doing but couldnt put a finger on what it was.
Over these two years..i have studied many spiritual paths and various
forms of higher learning to help me with my quest...i am now 31 and
feel that my journey is still in progress and i am so excited to learn
more and more about it.

Thank you all for sharing...

Love and Light...

Lorianna

---Nancy <NancyATnospamwtp.net> wrote:
>
> Thirty-two was a year of death for me. The old life I had set up and
> perpetuated needed to ripped away from my soul and thrown away. Who I
> was died at 32.
>
> I am finding 33 to be a time of rebirth, greater intuition and
insight.
> I have found one of the projects I am spiritually contracted to work
on.
> I have discovered my twin flame. I am able to find peace amidst the
> chaos of the world around me.
>
> Overall, 33 is a very good year.
>
> Nancy
>
>

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Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 20:30:15 -0800
From: "F. Drew " <leydaATnospamvalunet.com>
To: "Lorianna Burkes" <lady_enchantmentATnospamyahoo.com>,
 "Ruth Trimble" <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>,
 "Mike Stickles" <msticklesATnospamantalys.com>
Cc: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Bible slamming
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From: Lorianna Burkes <lady_enchantmentATnospamyahoo.com>

>>Are we asking
>why we had to be kicked out of the Garden of Eden.. who could be mad
>with us and put us into such a dire strait? Who calls it love to kick
>us out like that? Not any thing I call God... so check out that Bible
>with a new flag in your head. If this were your father would you like
>him? AND if he is your father, where has your mother been all this time?
>These are not intended to be flippant questions.. I am seriously asking
>you.
>The answers can unpeel thousands of years of domination and deprivation.
*

And maybe misinterpretation..............
Maybe this God's message has been misinterpretation by power hungry men.
*
Drew
" So Far; So Good "
leydaATnospamvalunet.com
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 02:07:21 +0000
From: Manoj Nanda <nandamATnospamcs.man.ac.uk>
To: "kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Kundalini And Study
Message-Id: <34933F59.B914CEDEATnospamcs.man.ac.uk>

Hello Beloved Kundalini List, I have not written for quite a while so
let me
just clear my throat *ahem*

 I just want to point out a problem I seem to be having with Kundalini
and Studying. I have seen a few viewpoints on the list regarding this,
namely Ruth who could read books
by touching them and the other extreme of people messing up studies
totally. I tend to be
fluctuating between the two, one day Information flows in at incredible
rates, other days
i feel dull and debased and completely unable to work. With Final Exams
coming soon I wonder if anyone had any helpful advice.

The problem could essentially come from a lack of surrrendering when
Shakti wants to not work, Its just when I dont work I get the niggling
feeling I should be doing something
all the time or I just wont get the grade. I am doing quite a technical
course Computing and Informations Systems so it can be quite distressing
when my left brain decides to zonk
out and stop processing in logic.

What other experiences have people had with this?

Love and Truth
Manoj.
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 21:07:31, -0500
From: TDVW36AATnospamprodigy.com ( THOMAS SMITH)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Merry Christmas Kiss
Message-Id: <199712140207.VAA10804ATnospammime4.prodigy.com>

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This is the start of a cyber Christmas kissathon...SMOOOOOOOCH...
pass it along and catch as many people as you can under the
Mistletoe :) (it is even ok to send it back to the person who
sent it to you.

____
God Loves You Forever
Tom
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 21:25:37, -0500
From: TDVW36AATnospamprodigy.com ( THOMAS SMITH)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: the Way and the Calves
Message-Id: <199712140225.VAA12458ATnospammime4.prodigy.com>

Beautiful Blythe simply beautiful............
 

____
God Loves You Forever
Tom
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 22:52:42 EST
From: DonBBenson <DonBBensonATnospamaol.com>
To: adrienne45ATnospamhotmail.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Grace and the Beast
Message-ID: <924bb7d5.34935812ATnospamaol.com>

In a message dated 97-12-12 12:01:19 EST, you write:

<< Way to go! HAve you had your sex today?
  >>

Thanks, Adrienne. You're awfully brave to encourage me. Yes, I have had my
sex everyday so far. John 1:14 says Jesus came forth full of grace and truth.
In my case it was <<snakes and snails and puppy dog tails>>. My wife Ann (an
English name from the Greek form of the Hebrew name meaning *grace*) keeps
trying to tame me so that I won't be so different from her, but the fact that
I really am different keeps popping back up. Just the other day when the cats
wanted to play and I obliged them, Ann observed once more, <<You're such a
boy!>>

Viva la difference! I think we all realize that our kundalini experiences
arise from our sexuality. Don
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 23:18:15 -0500
From: "Kirk Anderson" <d242kaosATnospamgte.net>
To: "Lorianna Burkes" <lady_enchantmentATnospamyahoo.com>,
 "List Posts Kundalini" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Thirty Three
Message-ID: <01bd0847$4d10f8a0$fe322499ATnospamtms>
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 charset="iso-8859-1"

L:
Then about 2
years ago, i began to get these vibes...not sure what to call
them..but i began to look at things a little differently

Me:
Lorianna, I wonder what this is! I am now 28 y/o, and have felt something
of a revolution in the way that I look at the world, or function in it at
least. I have always been very interested in spiritual things, but I seem
to have the attitude from Hell. Like, the world has fucked with me so bad,
that things should just work out on their own, if it's to balance out...
Needless to say, this has effectively frozen me out of any kind of powerful
spiritual experience! But just a few days shy of 28, I started being able
to make progress against some of the most intractable of my internal
obstacles. Things that would normally take months to resolve, I can now
vault over in a period of days. I still seem to be congenitally incapable
of experiencing anything requiring true imagination or heartfelt feeling. I
am struggling so >hard<, and I wonder if perhaps this bit about 'shaktipat
at 33' might be foreshadowing things to come.

Really, I can't believe the difference between my outlook now, as compared
to just 2 wks ago, before I turned 28! Maybe there's hope yet, at the big
33...

Anyway, many of the posts before yours on this subject have really touched
me, but I have such a hard time finding words for the feelings inside me--or
of even knowing >what< those feelings are in the first place!--that I never
tried to reply. Also, I think that my self-involvement lifted for a few
moments, giving me room to imagine that the other people here might care--or
that that caring might mean something to me.

Strange strange synchro with the evening I've just had, and then finding
that bit from Thomas, about Conversations with God, in my inbox! Like I
said though, I really don't have the words...

Yeesh! I'm rambling. I'd better go. Thanks!

242
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 00:20:20, -0500
From: TDVW36AATnospamprodigy.com ( THOMAS SMITH)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: ego......EGO
Message-Id: <199712140520.AAA19990ATnospammime4.prodigy.com>

namaste' Shama.....

There is no right or wrong......

So, the bottom line is.....Listen to your heart....
If what you hear.....raises no questions then it is true..
If what you feel.....raises no questions then it is true..
If what you see.....raises no questions then it is true..
If what you sense.....raises no questions then it is true..
If what you experience.....raises no questions then it is true..
If your action.....raises no questions then it is true..
Unconditional Love.....feel it within your Heart...it is true..

lower self = personality
higher self = soul
All = God

____
God Loves You Forever
Tom
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 01:42:12 -0800
From: mraft <at3ATnospamearthlink.net>
To: "kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Interested in subscribing
Message-ID: <3493A9F4.8E4489CCATnospamearthlink.net>

Good Morning,

I have recently heard about your list and am very interested in becoming a
member. Could you please send me instructions on how to subscribe?

Thank you,

Mike
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 14:41:37 -0800
From: valerian <madammumATnospamptialaska.net>
To: genius-lATnospamMyList.net
CC: Listening-lATnospamzrz.TU-Berlin.DE, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, zendoATnospammail.win.org
Subject: Re: [genius] *REAL TIME EMERGENCY*[off topic]
Message-ID: <34946097.5242ATnospamptialaska.net>

never mind; maybe just taking a nap & write 'Dear Abby' about it later!
 guess it's not yet a *nuclear disaster*.
 notably have a *real problem* with my own ineptitude...
it totally freaks me out to have to face it!
does 'making sense' neccessitate 'totally freaking out'?
next life remind me to go into electronics...
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 13:30:45 +0100
From: thomas.reinbergerATnospamt-online.de (ServusLan!)
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Kundalini-Awakening tips searched
Message-ID: <01bd088c$1a063520$0100007fATnospamlocalhost>
Content-Type: text/plain;
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Hi folks !

Could anybody give me DETAILED information on awakening the Kundalini ?

I recently heared that I should imagine a beam of sunlight coming into my
head .... and so on.... I'm sure you all know the story. But I got no exact
information about how and why. So it would be kind if somebody tells me
more.

Thanks

Tom
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 23:33:11 +1100
From: Dieter Dambiec <d.dambiecATnospamstudent.canberra.edu.au>
To: "'Kundalini-l'" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: RE: 2nd chakra--Negative not necessarily bad
Message-ID: <01BD08F4.2F62F9E0.d.dambiecATnospamstudent.canberra.edu>

On Wednesday, December 03, 1997 6:06 PM, Mystress Angelique Serpent
[SMTP:mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com] wrote:
> I find this verry interesting.. what is negative?
> What I percieve from my point of view as mostly silent observer lately, is
> that the second Chakra expresses regardless of attempts to repress. What
> is repressed often springs back stronger anyways.. Negative ideas about
> the energy cause negative manifestations.

I would agree, but there is nothing stopping a process of transcendence from
occuring which is not to do with repression.

> Our greatest psychiatric geniuses have said that sexual repression is at
> the root of all human miseries. When our bodies and minds are denied their
> most fundamental instinctive expressions of love and unity, the individual
> suffers, and so the society suffers.

Society also suffers through instincts - there is nothing sacred in it.

> Disdain for the chakra of distain? Some puzzle at work, here..

Disdain is simply a recognition of movement from crudity to subtlety - it is
not necessarily a negative tendency at all. The tendency is simply an
expression of the desire for subtler things/awarenesess.

> I have some distain.. but mostly sympathy.. for those who chose to think
> that a chakra might be dangerous.

Everything depends on the ability to properly discern it use.

> > stupor,

Inability to act due to debility of senses is an example.

> >>over-indulgence,
>
> Over indulgence in what? There has seemed to be mostly an overindulgence
> in judgements about whose path is most correct.. can one not also
> overindulge in celibacy or meditation?

Not in meditation no, because the source of Eternal Inspiration has not
limitation and so can never be exhausted. Celibacy without Love of another
sort, ie Divine Love, Devotion, is a waste of time.

How about over indulging in the
> bliss of the heart chakra to the point of scorn for the other centers?

The bliss is found in the highest chakra. Heart chakra also give joyous
feelings and compassion and all sorts of effects, but can make it difficult to
function sometimes in practical field. So it is not necessarily all positive
(that is a myth).

> Sex is the force of creation moving inside of humans, and most living
> things in nature.

Intro-vitro fertilisation does not directly rely on sex between couples? In
future children may well be produced in laboratories - that is not big deal
really. It may be better :) The force of creation is the sperm and ova
forming the zygote. On that communions the tiny mind of the sperm and ova die
and a new mind enters the zygote, as per its attraction to its needs.

Since the physical structure starts from spermatozoa, which has a positive
motion and , therefore, a wave-length, the physical structure thus formed must
have a wave-length accordingly... the dissociated mind also has wavelength (in
a potential form) and a momentum which has to be expressed. The dissociated
mind needs physical parallelism for proper expression and, therefore the cosmic
mutative/operative force causes the dissociated mind from eternal space to
enter the adjustable physical structure assuming a form in the mother's womb.
This is how life comes into physical creation.
>

Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 09:33:30 -0500
From: "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: The Colors of Love
Message-ID: <01bd089d$3fb8b840$40d01fa8ATnospamsharonwe>
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Hi,

After chatting with an energy healer a couple of days ago I channeled a
little info
for her on ICQ. Later, I thought about what she told me and tried to get a
few concepts from Tomm without writing them down.

In this way, I got the gist of the answer to the first question below...but
that led to still other questions....
----------------------------
1:16 AM 12/14/97
Q: I have been told by those who perceive energies that my energy changes
when I channel your writing, and that it's like another person, "deeper,
calmer, colder, with no emotion." Since you are supposed to be an aspect of
my higher self, and since I associate my higher self with love, I'd
appreciate your comments.

A: Yes. My name is Tomm. As you have already perceived these initial
concepts my comments will come as no surprise to you.

Love is not emotion, it is energy. The feelings that you associate with
this energy are emotions which you attach to it. These emotions are not
intrinsic to this energy.

Conversely, feelings of fear signify nothing more than the absence of this
energy due to blockage. Fear and Love are the polarities of emotion. All
other emotions are derivatives of these polarities.

Q: It sounds so simple put that way. We remove blocks, thus allowing the
flow of energy which removes the emotion of fear and substitutes the emotion
of love. But where does that leave us humans when we divorce ourselves from
our emotion? What is left in its place? If the emotions that signify bliss
and that "warm fuzzy feeling" are not love, and are dispensed with, then it
seems to me that pure untempered "love" could be rather bleak.

A: It seems so to you now because you cannot define yourself without
associating yourself with emotion. Just as you attach emotions to the
energy you call love and then mistake the emotion for the energy, so you
attach emotions to your reality and mistake your emotions for your self.

You are not your emotions. You are swayed by them, just as a tree is
swayed---and sometime broken---by the winds that blow through its limbs, but
emotions are not a part of you. They are human projections that mirror
quite faithfully your access to the energy of love.

When you have learned to open yourself fully to this energy, you will have
no further need of experiencing these emotions because you will have fully
become the energy you seek. Emotions, you see, are an indication of the
state of that becoming.

It is a mistake to believe that one should "become emotionless" and by so
doing become "more spiritual." This is putting the cart before the horse.
To attempt to deny one's emotions, is to deny the gauge of one's progress.
Just as it is foolish to ignore the gas gauge in your car, so it is foolish
to ignore your emotions---both these activities can seriously hinder your
progress.

Q: So, then, as I understand it, emotions are a tool that we use on the way
to becoming love. Once there, we have no further need of them. But still
it seems to me that we will miss these tools. They seem to define our human
state. Will they be replaced with something of value?

A: At the level of your understanding, emotions may be compared with very
low pitched tones. Slow, ponderous sonic waves that batter with their
varying pitches. When the frequency of these waves is increased, you
experience lighter faster sounds that, if skillfully manipulated, become
music. At a higher frequency yet, these waves are experienced as light and
color. At this stage of your development, you are still deaf and blind to
the music and color of love. With growth you will begin to hear and see.
----------------------------
Love,

Sharon
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Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 10:19:17 EST
From: LH5110 <LH5110ATnospamaol.com>
To: leydaATnospamvalunet.com
Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Bible slamming
Message-ID: <469f9e4b.3493f8f8ATnospamaol.com>

If you regard history back in the "ancient" times only the "Priests" were
allowed to read the word of "God" and translate it to the ignorant folks which
also included the kings and queens on down the list. It was basically taboo
to even know how to read. If this wasn't a control/ego thing I don't know
what is. We were told women were nothing and for the most part women
"allowed" themselves in this position that they were stupid and only here to
bear children and be there for man's pleasure.

This was not just followed in the Western culture but all over the earth.

If the Bible was TRULY God's words than I believe there would only be one
translation and it would not be based on "Fear of God". God says we are to
have love and light for everyone so why should be "Fear" Him. God is the
name of the higher power that the Western world has given him, but the Native
Americans call him the Great Spirit and other cultures He is known by other
terms.

The Western culture is so filled with ego that we only believe that we have
"God" which I think is very sad. But I also feel it is sad that other
culture seem to bend the same way for their "greater spirits"/guru, etc.

When I meditate I acknowledge Him by all the names which He is known.

Love and Light

Linda

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