1997/12/11  19:14  
 kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #817 
  
kundalini-l-d Digest				Volume 97 : Issue 817
 
Today's Topics: 
  RE: Newbie to list                    [ Mike Stickles <msticklesATnospamantalys.co ] 
  Re: 3 Piercings (was Re: Enlightenme  [ Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospamsynopsys.com> ] 
  Re: New generation                    [ Charles Michael Beaver <yodaATnospamband1. ] 
  RE: Earth Resonance - A question      [ sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net (The Lesser  ] 
  Twin Flame                            [ veroungerATnospamearthlink.net ] 
  Re: Re: The Stars reflect/support ?   [ "danelle t" <danelletATnospamhotmail.com> ] 
  RE: Earth Resonance - A question      [ "danelle t" <danelletATnospamhotmail.com> ] 
  Born at the right time                [ Ivo Visic <magehydroATnospamdial-up.net> ] 
  Twin Souls and attachement            [ veroungerATnospamearthlink.net ] 
  Re: feelings/knowing/ego              [ Athena <starwindATnospamgte.net> ] 
  3300                                  [ iri <iriATnospamivyrealty.com> ] 
  Re: The 7 headed beast                [ onarresATnospaminreach.com ] 
  AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Cen  [ daniel lea <daniel-leaATnospamhotmail.com> ] 
  Bible slamming                        [ Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu> ] 
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 16:54:13 -0500 
From: Mike Stickles <msticklesATnospamantalys.com> 
To: Thumper <thumperATnospamnetquarters.net> 
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com 
Subject: RE: Newbie to list 
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Thumper wrote:
 
 ><snip> I was concerned with line  posted as: 
 > > 'Be all things to all men'... 
 >I believe the apostle Paul said  
 >    IMHO...This implies that one should wear masks 
 >or be a chameleon to all I come in contact with. It is 
 >literally impossible for me to be all things to all people, 
 >simply because I would be recreating myself every 
 >time I encountered another person.<snip> By 
 >recreating myself to please those around me, I have no 
 >way of finding my truth, because I will be living your 
 >opinions <snip>
 
I have a different perspective on Paul's statement - I see 
becoming "all things to all men" not as trying to please 
those around me, but trying to avoid turning them away 
unnecessarily. The aim is to be understandable within 
the cultural context of those you are dealing with. So, if 
I am in Papua New Guinea, I will not hug my wife in 
public - that is considered gross immorality. In Saudi 
Arabia I will be sure I do not show the bottoms of my 
shoes to anyone, nor use my left hand to greet them 
or give them anything - both offensive gestures - but I 
will be sure to accept offers of coffee, even though I don't 
like coffee, because it is considered common courtesy 
(you don't have to drink it, you'd just better not refuse it). 
If I am speaking to scientists, I will support my words with 
facts and figures; to evangelical Christians, with quotes 
from the Bible.
 
All of us have "filters" through which we see the world - to 
become "all things to all men" is to try to be aware of the 
filters of those you are dealing with, and act and speak 
accordingly. In a way, it's not much different than speaking 
in a foreign language when talking to someone for whom it 
is their native tongue. The accomodation does not require 
you to modify the content of what you say.
 
- Mike
 
P.S. - Welcome, Thumper! 
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 13:47:17 -0800 
From: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospamsynopsys.com> 
To: "Harsh K. Luthar" <hlutharATnospambryant1.bryant.edu>, lodpressATnospamintercomm.com 
Cc: smacraeATnospamcamtech.net.au, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, 
 heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com, gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com 
Subject: Re: 3 Piercings (was Re: Enlightenment) 
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At 10:17 AM 12/11/97 -0500, Harsh K. Luthar wrote: 
>> > Sue mentions: 
>> > `` I have 
>> > observed and worked with people experiencing both and consider that the 
>> > force of the eruption has more to do with the amount of work kundalini 
>> > needs to do in that particular person, than with any other single 
>> > factor. '' 
>> > 
>It has to do with several factors. One is the youth of the person. The 
>younger the person is and particularly if the person is practicing 
>celibacy the Kundalini will come with a huge force. If the sexual 
>conduct has not been regulated it will come with much less force. The 
>"Drilling" analogy seems appropriate to me, but may not be so for 
>everyone. After the three granthis have been broken the flow of Shakti 
>will be nice and smooth like the flow of oil. However, people do 
>experience different aspects of the Kundalini in different sequences, so 
>no general rules for interpreting the Kundalini manifestations can be 
>made. One basic thing, however, that I have found to be true, is that, 
>regulation of sexual conduct has a great impact on the Kundalini rising 
>and the substance of different manifestations. 
 
Kurt asks: 
I would completely agree with you that the retention of the vital essences 
of the body aid the intensity of the kundalini energy. I wonder if you have 
come across a model in the Hindu (for lack of a better word) systems as to 
why? In the Hindu systems (such as Hatha Yoga Pradipika, or the Kaula 
tantric systems) kundalini is spoken of as a Godess.  She is also spoken of 
as a kind of ``atomic unit'' - and not in dependence on other elements for 
her existance - so why would celibacy affect her nature or intensity?
 
On the other hand in the Buddhist tantric systems there is a dynamic 
between the vital essence``white bodhicitta'' which descends from the crown 
and rising ``red bodhicitta'' or gTummo which rises from the navel. The 
white (retained by celibacy and not lost) feeds the flames of the red, 
intensifying them. Simultaneously the red rises to further melt the white, 
intensifying the flow. So in this system it's easy to see why celibacy is 
useful. It literally gives you more material to burn. But I believe in this 
system the white drops are retained for men but it is actually the red 
drops that are retained for women - though both are interrelated as above.
 
The relationship that is easiest for a westerner to understand is the role 
of celibacy in the Chinese system. In that system jing (semen) is 
biologically transformed into qi (prana) and into shen (spirit, perhaps 
citta or consciousness). If you lose the jing then you lose  the basis of 
the whole program. I talked to a qi gong teacher about this and he said 
that even this is a kind of imprecise biology. He hopes some day we will 
understand precisely how the hormones are retained through celibacy and how 
that affects the qi. I hope so too!
 
>Kundalini Yoga is one path to enlightenment but it also creates much 
>confusion among people. The ultimate goal of all Yogas and Tantras is to 
>recognize that "Peace that Passeth all Understanding" is within us and 
>it is our Real Nature or Original Nature. One goes through all the 
>hoopla only to come face with One's Own Self! 
 
I wholeheartedly agree that the goal of kundalini yoga is enlightenment - 
and there are many diversions along the way. As there are readers from 
Buddhist, a variety of Hindu, Sikh and a variety of Christian backgrounds 
here -will it suffice to say that we are all committed to seeking the 
enlightenment, as espoused in our own traditions?
 
Mangalam 
Kurt 
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 21:03:14 -0600 
From: Charles Michael Beaver <yodaATnospamband1.bandwidth.net> 
To: Danielle R Dumont <jacinthaATnospamjuno.com> 
Cc: dorf01ATnospammail.win.org, shawebbATnospamyhc.edu, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, 
 kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com 
Subject: Re: New generation 
Message-Id: <348F57F1.E27D264BATnospamband1.bandwidth.net> 
 
Dear All:
 
    Try The Millenium Children by Caryl Dennis at
 
http://home1.gte.net/caryl/main.htm
 
Danielle R Dumont wrote:
 
> On Sun, 7 Dec 1997 19:16:18 -0600 (CST) "Debora A. Orf" 
> <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org> writes: 
> >all i can say is i feel lucky to have been born in the summer of love, 
> >1967. 
> > 
> >seemed like a good time to incarnate. 
> > 
> >go figure ;) 
> > 
> >--debora a. orf> 
> 
> Debra  (and list) 
> 
> I can relate to the topic of souls incarnating at this particular period 
> of earth's history.  Being born in the summer of 1969 my generation has 
> experienced a windstorm of diversity. 
> 
> I for one am happy to be alive at this particular period and know that I 
> chose to be an incarnate soul on the earth now.  Speaking of Star Seeds, 
> I have a belief that my 6 year old definitely is one.  She appears 
> advanced in many ways.  She was premature and couldn't wait to be born - 
> as if she knew she needed to get started right away. 
> 
> Jacitha
 
 
-- 
Sincerely;
 
Mike Beaver 
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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 23:03:47 GMT 
From: sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net (The Lesser Half) 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: RE: Earth Resonance - A question 
Message-ID: <3492714f.107317055ATnospammailhost.worldnet.att.net> 
 
For those of you that make use of the Earth's resonance for healing, 
etc. Has anyone noticed a change in the resonance since December 8th ?
 
This change seems to have shifted my resonance and when I went back 
into cycle again there seemed to be a stronger energy flow. Knocked me 
for a loop 4x in one day. The headaches and draining have subsided but 
now I'm a bit apprehensive about going back into the groove. 
 
Also since the eight I've had a lot of trouble with electromagnetic 
fields. My PC will reboot for no apparent reason and if I put my 
finger to the CRT screen the desktop pattern will craze along the path 
of my finger.
 
All of this seems to come and go with no particular pattern. Anyone 
else having problems ? TIA
 
Jack 
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 18:12:54 -0500 
From: veroungerATnospamearthlink.net 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Twin Flame 
Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19971211181254.0079c390ATnospamearthlink.net> 
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Hello to all of you,
 
I would be also interested in getting the answers for the origins of the 
concept of the Twin Flames. 
Also, I would like to know, if this is the samething as a Soulmate. 
A definition would be welcome.
 
Thank you,
 
Veronique 
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 15:34:01 PST 
From: "danelle t" <danelletATnospamhotmail.com> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: Re: The Stars reflect/support ? 
Message-ID: <19971211233401.819.qmailATnospamhotmail.com> 
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Danny- 
 I recieved this information from a friend of mine that is a channeler  
and medium.  She is much more read up on this subject then I but i have  
found a couple websites that have some information.  I hope this helps  
you.  ;-) 
www.lord-maitreya.org/photon.htm 
www.rat.de/spirituell/gemeiner/961113EN.htm
 
 
danelle- 
your ability to accept reality relies on your ability to percieve it.
 
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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 15:44:21 PST 
From: "danelle t" <danelletATnospamhotmail.com> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: RE: Earth Resonance - A question 
Message-ID: <19971211234421.5185.qmailATnospamhotmail.com> 
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< Has anyone noticed a change in the resonance since December 8th ?
 
Jack>
 
 
Jack- 
 This directly ties in with the photon belt i was previously speaking  
of.  The earth came into this belt on the 8th and will be in it's path  
for a year.  It raises the vibrations of the planet...causing power  
surges that will effect electronic equipment.  I have been told that it  
is particularly importan t to back up EVERYTHING on your computers on to  
disks during this time.   Good luck to everyone during this long  
adjustment period ;-)  The end results will be well worth all of it!  
 
 
 
danelle- 
your ability to accept reality relies on your ability to percieve it.
 
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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 01:49:24 +0200 (GMT) 
From: Ivo Visic <magehydroATnospamdial-up.net> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Born at the right time 
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.971212013511.17047A-100000ATnospammail3.dial-up.net> 
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Hi everyone 
Its so amazing to think of this immense plan which our minds cannot even 
begin to comprehend is taking place all the time. Everyone at everytime 
was born at exactly the right moment of planetary alignments and genetic 
heritage from their parents and right location for their best 
development.Even though at times it does not seem like this, I know 
sometimes I jsut think what the hell is going on these aren't my right 
plaes and parents. Yet I wouldnt be who I am today if it weren't for them. 
If we just let our hearts guide us  more than our chattery minds and 
judgemental egos. I just had a thought a few weeks ago about kundalini and 
was wondering what you ppl think.From about December I think my kundalini 
has been rising even though I did not know of it consciously as I do now. 
IT affected each of the chakras in sequence as I can see now from the 
situations at a distance. In beginning of year I was dealing with issues 
of survival and also of sexuality and basic life force which corresponds 
to the first two chakras. I contemplated and almost slit my wrists (thank 
goodness something stoped me) and also I had to accept my being gay and 
how that relates to me and others. Then came the 3rd chakra when my 
intuitions starting flowing and I started to use this chakra more and 
more. Two months ago or so my heart chakra was being worked on and it had 
been quite hurt and sore for a while now because of an experience which i 
do not feel comfortable to discuss at present (guess I havent let it go as 
much as I would like to) but now I feel so much freer in my heart chakra 
and find it easier to love and love myself and to trust in love. Now I am 
working with my throat as kundalini rises there. Almost now things are 
comign to me about living my truth and speaking my truth. Also how I 
interact with others, I can see my friendships are under quite alot of 
strain. A lesson in communication is how I see it and also in change as I 
see some of my friends moving away from me and feel more distance. Then 
again the only constant in life is change and doesnt that make it much 
more exciting :) 
Any thoughts on waht I just rambled on about feel free to comment :)
 
Love and Light 
Hugs and Kisses 
IVo Visic 
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 19:01:50 -0500 
From: veroungerATnospamearthlink.net 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Twin Souls and attachement 
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Hello,
 
First of all, I would like to thank the person who had the idea of the 
kundalini list. I have started reading it faithfully every day in the past 
2 weeks and it has helped me tremendously and informed as well.
 
This is not my first time writing to the list, about difficult moments I 
had to go through. Today, I feel much better and I have a questions for you 
all.
 
I have met my twin soul ("Ames Jumelles, French term) by pure luck under 
very strange circumstances. Although I was not familiar with all these 
terms ie: twin souls, soul mates, or twin flames, I knew this man was the 
one I had looked for my whole life, from the minute we talked to each other.
 
He was at the time looking for his Twin Soul and of course we fell in love 
and our love hasn't stopped growing ever since.
 
However, we are apart for he thought that I was getting to attach to him.
 
My question is as follow: 
If I love him with all my heart and my soul, deeper every day, does that 
mean I am attached to him? 
We have been apart for a long time now, but my feelings go on fonder for 
him every minute, and I just cannot find another man that could take his 
place.   
Then again, is this attachement? 
I dont look for a tomorrow anymore, I just enjoy my days as they go (my 
present) and try to make the best of them. I feel his love within my heart 
and I trust it. Perhaps one day, will he be knocking back at my door.
 
Sorry if this seems VERY HARD to follow at times, but it is difficult to 
explain the whole situation without unveilling too much of our privacy.
 
Thank you for your understanding,
 
Vero
 
 
  
 
   
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 18:34:10 -0600 
From: Athena <starwindATnospamgte.net> 
To: tg langston <tgxxxATnospamjuno.com> 
CC: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com 
Subject: Re: feelings/knowing/ego 
Message-ID: <34908682.2171ATnospamgte.net> 
 
tg langston wrote: 
>  
> Hey Athena.... 
>  
> .  When I 
> realized this *truth* (spirit is knowing, ego is feeling) a couple of 
> weeks ago, I've been waiting on confirmation of it -- what I've received 
> so far is confirmation for both sides.... oh well.
 
Let me try to restate that..< smile >
 
We live in a world of perception and duality... and sometimes words are 
used with different meanings...and not clearly explained... which really 
confuses  some people ...
 
Best example I can give you is the word LOVE... to the mystic its what 
holds the Universe together..an absolute acceptance of God for 
his/her/its creation...thats why you need to be carefull what you *pray* 
for... ALL God/dess can say, is YES and Amen... 
 
To the mundane world Love means caring, sharing and usually sex < if 
appropriate > ... but *usually* with some strings attached...ie ... I 
will love you if...We, the human Mind < read : Ego > are forever putting 
conditions and parameters on our love..wants, demands, 
expectations...when our *beloved* CAN NOT possibly live up to those 
expectations, disagreements or fights ensue, and we get our feelings 
hurt ...hurt feelings are always related to *fear* which is strictly of 
the EGO
 
*KNOWING* I define as absolute-unquestionable-down-to-your-toes 
AWARENESS ... of something.. ie. God IS.. is of the Spirit... it is 
*not* something you have read ...studied...figured out for yourself... 
used logic on... it is simply a knowingness that we *all* have...down 
deep inside..< its part of the equipment we bring with us when we 
incarnate >... but many have chosen to *forget* for a while... read my 
post on *devine onion* < grin>
 
On the other hand ... knowing <something> as in learned from books or 
any ouside source is of the Ego mind..unless of course you have 
*embodied* it.. ie. experiental knowing... then it falls into the Spirit 
catagory above... simplest example... kundilini awakening... many have 
read about it < know there is such a thing> proportianally few have 
experienced it *KNOW* < embodied > it...
 
So am I confusing you further ???? *chuckle*
 
Feelings work the same way...there are deep inner urgings... which is 
spirit trying to communicate *with* US < the human Mind/Ego >... they 
will *always* speak of Love and a deep inner peace...of Light and 
freedom...of Growth and expansion... and there are *feelings* that are 
*usually* responses or reactions to what somebody did/said TO/ABOUT 
us... those are of the Ego, and hold us in bondage...and when traced far 
enough back... are of *fear*..
 
FEAR by the way is our Ego's basic protection system...its what keeps us 
seperated from each other...and by extention from God < source > 
>  
> had a good point which I am still pondering -- that when our knowing 
> is in conflict with our feeling, one of them is placing limitations on us
 
A psychologist  came up with this... " when intellect and emotion come 
into conflict... the emotions *always* win..." sorry I can't remember 
the name... a tad of creeping senility *grin*
 
 
> Thanks for your puzzle piece to the intuitions - I understood that! 
> Nothing like a good ol' story to help fit the puzzle piece in place...
 
:)
 
>  
> xxxtg 
>  
> ps  so what happened to the boyfriend??
 
hehehhe... we both released him... we have yet to see which one he comes 
back to.. if either...
 
PPS... hope you do not mind my sharing this private post with the 
list... it *may* just help someone who is struggling with these same 
questions... 
>  
> 
With cosmic laughter and in Joy
 
Athena 
--  
Love and Light unto your Path...THERE IS ONLY ONE OF US...Athena 
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 16:29:54 -0800 
From: iri <iriATnospamivyrealty.com> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com 
Subject: 3300 
Message-Id: <199712121232.GAA18814ATnospamsmtp1> 
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I've been thinking about this most amazing number that someone inquired about.
 
firstly,it is an amazing number because the 00 looks like an eight on its 
side which of course is similar to the symbol for infinity
 
secondly, if you stack two 0's (one on top of the other) you get an 8 then 
if you draw a vertical line through the eight (at the midpoint) you get a 
backward facing 3 and a front facing 3
 
It seems to me that 3300 represents that we are half-way to eternity (a new 
life) but we got lost along the way (the front 3 should be facing the other 
3...the front 3 is effectively backwards)...We need to recognize that we are 
on the wrong path...turn around and go back till we meet the path we are 
supposed to be on...When we have gone far enough down the path, we will 
recognize the final steps to be taken to make that leap into the new life or 
realm or plain of existence
 
That's my thought on this number...What are yours? 
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 16:36:32 -0800 
From: onarresATnospaminreach.com 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: The 7 headed beast 
Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971211163632.006aeca8ATnospammail.inreach.com> 
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gsdonne wrote:
 
  
>>>>><<m more oriented on thinking of  K as the other side of the coin the 
Bible says something like the Beast will arrive from the sea like a dragon 
with 7 heads or so, I meant to put this to my questions about the 7 cobras...  
>> 
>   Re 'The Beast" of Revelations and the Chakras. There is an Edgar Cayce 
book on 'Revelations' which interprets it as the opening of the Seven 
chakras. >From memory, it was a very comprehensive and intelligent 
interpretation. Should still be in print. My copy was lost years ago. gsdonne 
> 
Perhaps this information will help a bit - it is from 'The Edgar Cayce 
Primer' - Herbert B. Puryear, P.h.D ... I know there is a better 
description of the seven seals written by yet another author while 
reasearching the information in the Edgar Cayce Library in Virginia Beach. 
 
"In the beginning chapters in the Revelation, John sees a vision of a book 
with seven seals. This book may be understood to be the body, inclusive of 
the physical, mental and spiritual. The seven seals indicate how removed we 
ordinarily are from the incredible potential of the seven glands, 
functioning as spiritual centers. As spiritual centers, these glands are 
storehouses of memory for all of our previous incarnations and in a certain 
sense, the history of the soul. Since they are storehouses of karmic 
memory, it is by the grace of God that they remain sealed until we are on 
the spiritual path and prepared to deal more effectively with the memories, 
problems, and talents which accompany their opening.
 
In the vision, John weeps as he realizes that no one in heaven or earth is 
worthy to open the seals of the book. However, there appears a Lamb, the 
Christ, with seven eyes, who opens the seals, one by one. This sequence of 
events in the vision is extremely important and instructive for us in the 
initial stages of our spiritual awakening. The awareness that no one is 
worthy enough to open these seals except the Christ. 
 
The body is a temple of the living God both as the place where we may meet 
Him and as an instrument of an awareness through which we may attune to 
Him. As an instrument of attunement, the endocrine glands serve as points 
of contact between the Spirit and the body. These centers are the 
transformers of the One Force of Spirit into physical consciousness and 
manifestation. The functioning of these centers is, in turn, ideal chosen 
and dwelt upon by the imaginative forces of the mind." 
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 15:46:43 -1000 (HST) 
From: daniel lea <daniel-leaATnospamhotmail.com> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center  
Message-Id: <199712120146.PAA20515ATnospamhaleakala.aloha.net>
 
do you have to first see the aura fields in living things before you open the first chakra? Also, are there signs before it actually opens? 
Date: 	Thu, 11 Dec 1997 16:07:16 -1000 
From: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com 
cc: Warrior <anthonyATnospampal.u-net.com>, Carol Hathor <popcornATnospamtheofficenet.com>, 
 Rich Amber <richambATnospammarus.com> 
Subject: Bible slamming 
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Hi Mike:  You asked:  
>>>> 
P.S - Ruth - why the big blast against the Bible? I've 
never understood the hostility sometimes showed to it. 
I know some people have been bludgeoned with it - via 
poor interpretation and overzealousness - but why pick 
on the book (actually books)?>>>
 
I think you already understand the answer.. it is the way it has been used 
and abused sort of like a prostitute!  Whatever it WAS and is.. it is very 
sad that so many make it the be-all and end-all of their "religion".  It 
is waved under ones nose as the MAJOR voice of GOD.. (god forbid) and one 
is not allowed to question this.  But all the texts I own from India 
written by acknowledged and verified SAINTS are never treated with this 
attitude by Hindus...yet they have more right to be called "the living 
word of God" than anything written in the Bible by any logical standard 
you can apply since the beings were "Self Realized" and wrote in their own 
words... first hand.  Maybe it is the volume of Saints from India that 
makes them more blase' about all this "god" stuff...and the dearth of such 
texts in the West that makes people wave it about as such a sacred 
thing...who knows?
 
The Bible --  from every source 
of historical fact I have read or heard about.. was written hundreds of 
years after the fact by people who were not living nor enlightened at the 
time of the events they write about!  Now common sense tells us that this 
cannot be the "living word of God."   Is this fiction then? Many of the 
facts from the Bible came from ancient cultures... and I would highly 
recommend you all read the Sitchin series about what went on in the 
ancient times for I feel it will not be long now before we get the veils 
of our history and our past uncovered and there will be a HUGE alteration 
in the human experience of itself at that point.   
 How is this going to affect the Bible punchers? (not the slammers!)
 
If Sitchin and other writers are correct, your BIBLE will be seen to be a 
propaganda document for a 4th dimensional ET ancestor of ours who created 
us out of a dna experiment!# DUH... bells going off -- major alarm..#$** 
  
H ha.. check this one out folks.. in 30 
years all your little kids will know about this....or sooner... the 
evidence is being uncovered but hidden for it blows all the paradigms we 
ever held about ourselves completely out the window... blown neurons *&%$ 
If we find out who we really are...we could tell those who are trying to 
control us.. religions, governments, fear-mongers etc... to get lost. This 
would mean they would lose control of their subservient workforce.  So 
they hide it as much as they can and it is not hard since  
most of the planet still thinks we are the only life form in the universe 
inspite of all the evidence this ain't true and the law of averages would 
mitigate against it... They want us to I think that we are so alone 
here and need their intervention and control.  
 
As long as human beings do not know how incredibly creative, gifted, 
intelligent, kind, loving, powerful, important and  multi-dimensional they 
are, they are easy to control... and here is where th Kundalini comes in. 
It kicks us all up to the level of full access of our pineal gland (3rd 
eye) and our awareness of the beings on other dimensions and our own 
connection to the source.  This source connection means we do not believe 
stories from the Bible any more about burning bushes or voices out of 
them.  It means we LOOK INSIDE and we check out our own source of 
knowledge.. the heart.   This also means we can get information from 
sources OFF PLANET (this is not an  endorsment of channeling or being 
abducted!ATnospam#).
 
According to the next Einstein, Michio Kaku, we  are pretty low 
on the scale of civilizations cosmically speaking...so we can't get very 
far off this planet to find out in our physical bodies  until we raise 
ourselves out of the reptilian sludge!  I believe that the next 20 years 
will determine whether we raised ourselves out of it, or we fell back into 
it...    
... but sooner or later, just like the Darwin thing, a new way of seeing 
ourselves will come out fully into the popular consciousness.  We are not 
as tiny and puny as we have been made to feel and think we are... and the 
Bible is part of this huge propaganda story ... It puts Madison AVenue to  
shame... !! But then it has had a lot of support from self-interested 
religions... who have the intention to control.  
 
My biggest and most sincere wish is for mankind to find his true beauty 
and power NOW... and I see huge resistance to that.. so I can only write 
little words here to you on this list.  However, I have plans..... 
 
 I guess you can see why I am want to get this myth about the Bible  
exorcised! 
  AND  
This is why I love living in this era.... because it will change!
 
As a matter of fact Mike.... 
I had tried to get and glean some enlightenment from the Bible all my life 
yet it was an Indian guru who awakened my Kundalini and at that stage, I 
could truly grasp something from that book.  But then I could understand 
many things from that vantage point.. insights came pouring in about Roman 
Catholic religion which had totally puzzled me for years...!  All the 
pieces of the mosaic fell into place.  The Bible has much wisdom, but no 
more than any other text.. the Torah or the 
Kabbalah or the Koran... or The Teachings of Ramana Maharshi.. If it were 
treated in this way, I probably would have no charge about it at all.
 
Here is the spark from my charge!  Hope you enjoyed it!  Ruth  
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