1997/12/10 11:48
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #810
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 810
Today's Topics:
Re: 3 Piercings (was Re: Enlightenme [ John Halonen <halonenATnospamflash.net> ]
Re: Re: Thirty Three [ DouglasMF <DouglasMFATnospamaol.com> ]
Deep breathing [ John Halonen <halonenATnospamflash.net> ]
Thieves and ourselves. [ John Halonen <halonenATnospamflash.net> ]
Re: Enlightenment [ Gloria Lee <glorybeATnospamintrepid.net> ]
Re: Kundalini and the Beast [ DouglasMF <DouglasMFATnospamaol.com> ]
Sorry about the double postings [ John Halonen <halonenATnospamflash.net> ]
Re: *Lord Matraiya* [ "F. Drew " <leydaATnospamvalunet.com> ]
no subject [ iri <iriATnospamivyrealty.com> ]
Re: *Lord Matraiya*(RANT warning), D [ Kathy <deliriumATnospamfull-moon.com> ]
RE: implanted chips [ Mike Stickles <msticklesATnospamantalys.co ]
getting blissed by writers [ hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com (Holly N. Ba ]
The Mystress Does Physics [ DonBBenson <DonBBensonATnospamaol.com> ]
Friends [ Athena <starwindATnospamgte.net> ]
From My Heart [ DonBBenson <DonBBensonATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: 3 Piercings (was Re: Enlightenme [ "F. Drew " <leydaATnospamvalunet.com> ]
Re: 3 Piercings (was Re: Enlightenme [ freda <fredaATnospamblarg.net> ]
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 09:55:53 -0800
From: John Halonen <halonenATnospamflash.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: 3 Piercings (was Re: Enlightenment)
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>Gloria says:
>
>"There is a huge difference between the nice elating pranic or kundalini
>movement that flows up the spine to just kiss the chakra's...and what I
>call a full out eruption"
>
Sue:
>There certainly is a big difference but not in the end result. I have
>observed and worked with people experiencing both and consider that the
>force of the eruption has more to do with the amount of work kundalini
>needs to do in that particular person, than with any other single
>factor. The blockages that kundalini releases are the accumulations of
>our past dogmas, judgements, actions, thoughts, feelings etc. If the
>eruptions are violent, Kundalini in her wisdom has decided they need to
>be. Kundalini can also be subtle, permeating the physical and
>energetic, rather than blasting. That is one of the magnificent things
>about her, she knows exactly what each of us needs and responds
>accordingly!
>
John:
I believe the tickling prana on the locks is a cleanseing the body does
in order to help loosen the locks for the kundalini, but do not believe
prana can pierce them.
I do bielive that the more work done in this area can lessen the drama felt
leading up to the actual undoing of the lock.
I have not experienced this yet, just something I see in my mind's eye.
Even now though I watch my councious shift, and somtimes it feels as though
I could walk out in front of my body while fully alert and walking down the
hall.
I can locate my concious on certain areas of the shushumna and BAM! things
defintely happen. but I belive this is just prana focused on blockages and
not the actual granthis.
I want to thank everyone for the discusion on this topic.
It is very valuable and helpful.
May you untie your granthis as easily as a christmas bow :)
Blessings
John Halonen
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 10:52:56 EST
From: DouglasMF <DouglasMFATnospamaol.com>
To: MeadowartATnospamaol.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Re: Thirty Three
Message-ID: <2fcd8caf.348ebadaATnospamaol.com>
I could not agree more with this wonderful post. This is exactly why I have
become so peeved at this list from time to time. We all have these wonderful
expereinces, dreams, vision, and what ever you want to call them. They should
be shared discussed, and most importantly encouraged with open minds and
hearts. I think there are a great number of people who have their hearts in
the right place but a few too many have their head up their (sandskrit
explative removed).
-doug
the final peace completes the whole
when one realizes the final peace is the whole
In a message dated 12/10/97 2:44:05 AM, you wrote:
<< All experiences of God are subjective. If God ever fits into the little
boxes we make for him, I want no part of him, because he's just not big
enough. (Bend the gender to suit yourself, folks...he/she/it).
Swami Vivekananda pointed out that ''even a donkey can carry a whole
library on its back''...we can argue academic points all day and it doesn't
mean we are one iota closer to being enlightened. I don't want to be
evangelized by anybody, Christian, Hindu, or whatever.
I'm here on this list because of the energetic experiences that transcend
the boundaries of theology and bring me closer to the sublime.>>
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 10:01:16 -0800
From: John Halonen <halonenATnospamflash.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Deep breathing
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Lately I have been doing some breath work. Deep breath meditation
down into the abdomen. After a few days of this my conscious has been
sucked into the third chakra like a whirlwind. This was a great feeling
and it was easily slowed down by the discontinuing of the deep breaths.
Something made me want to post this. Maybe someone needs a breath of
fresh air. Give this a try.
It was as simple as watching a deep breath go into the abdomen completely,
and then watching the FULL exhale. And it has to be the full exhale, like
your
conscious is with your breath as the last of it leaves your mouth.
and repeat.
Blessings,
John Halonen
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 10:02:09 -0800
From: John Halonen <halonenATnospamflash.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Thieves and ourselves.
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Isn't it funny that we have to become theives and break through
three of the toughest locks in the universe just to help find ourselves.
Lot's of people lock up valuables to keep them safe.
What I was wondering is, was this something done to ourselves over a great
period of time, or are these the locks god has given to the great garden
of eden in each one of us.
I find it funny also that I just read an article on the net on how to
pick locks. Tried it on some at my house and turns out I'm pretty good at it.
Just something I always wanted to do. :-)
The best part of the article.
somtimes locks get damaged in the process. Think about what you are trying
to do,
because there is usaully another way to accomplish it. you just haven't
thought
of it yet.
Just something to think about.
Blessings
John Halonen
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 11:16:47 -0500
From: Gloria Lee <glorybeATnospamintrepid.net>
To: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Enlightenment
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At 08:17 AM 12/10/97 -0600, you wrote:
>Kurt wrote:
><snip>
>>It is still necessary that the practitioner reflect on the inherent
emptiness
>>>of the bliss that is created..
><snip>
>>..possible that one is literally stuck in bliss without experiencing the
>>>ultimate cognitive realization.
><snip>
>
>I have felt this "empty bliss." When this first happened to me and it was
>very intense, I would approach the nearest human and tell them how happy I
>was to see them, assuming that this bliss must in some way be connected to
>them, and beam all this love at them. I was met with fear and confusion. I
>know now that I must have looked quite out of my mind. I learned to quit
>doing that. (Except with my husband.)
>
>Now when this happens I usually don't bother other people with it, but I
>still look around for the "object" of this bliss. What is it? What is
>causing this? What am I so excited about? There is an anticipation... I
>look out the window at the sky and wonder if I am getting an intuition that
>something big is about to happen. One time I did see the Northern Lights.
>But usually it is just sky, nothing out of the ordinary...
>
>When I cannot find an object, I search for a concept to grasp. I want this
>bliss to stay, but I need something to focus on, something to "think
>about...". And then this bliss just "goes away."
>
>So I guess that the very *emptiness* of the bliss is the point, huh?
>Fascinating. Don't think I've gotten to that "ultimate cognitive
>realization," so I must be "stuck." Don't quite know where to go from here.
>I'm not "practicing" any disciplines other than exercise to stay healthy
>and keep my weight down. Bought a video tape on kundalini yoga but haven't
>even watched it yet...
>
>Sorry if this is all really vague, but I had no words for this phenomenon
>at all until your post :). Thanks for the ideas.
>
>JOWW (just one woman's weirdness),
>amckeon
>
Gloria LEE here
I love your courage and openess..amckeon...wonderful as it is to have our
*experts* on the list..it is postings like yours that warm my heart. If we
had to *know* all the details of how our body rides a bicycle..we would
fall off thinking about it all.
You are not *stuck* ...enjoy the process as it is happening..experiences of
bliss are a nice gift..you are in the moment when having them..enjoy. You
reminded me also of that feeling that I had of expecting "something big"
must soon follow this awareness..but whatever might it be?? I used to refer
to these as *bliss attacks*..(and still do) and I recall having many way
before associating any of this with kundalini (never having even heard of
it back then). Trust yourself to allow the process.. much *efforting*
often gets us nowhere anyway..which is NOT to imply.. do not read, learn,
watch videos, or practice your meditation...but simply let go of trying to
manufacture certain results before their time..there is no need to rush
...where you are and who you are is ok for now. Trust and love will carry
you forward on your path. Whatever you are experiencing now is probably
just what you need for now. Spirituality is not a competitive sport...
hehe..( you sound like a fun person to know and live with...the courage to
be yourself and all that..wow..glad you are here with us on the list :)))))
I like the saying
"Resistance is futile...but a great time-waster" Thankfully..there appears
to be all the time we may need. here's one of my favorite bliss poems..
Ocean
I have a feeling that my boat
has struck, down there in the depths,
agaist a great thing.
And nothing happens!
Nothing... Silence... Waves...
Nothing happens? Or has everything happened,
And we are standing now, quietly, in the new life?
by: Juan Ramon Jiminez
trans by: Robert Bly
>
>
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 11:04:57 EST
From: DouglasMF <DouglasMFATnospamaol.com>
To: rgvgATnospamHOTMAIL.COM, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Kundalini and the Beast
Message-ID: <3ab291b2.348ebdabATnospamaol.com>
I like what he has to say in theory, maybe the 7 heads are our chakras?
what do you think?
-d
the final peace completes the whole
when one realizes the final peace is the whole
In a message dated 12/10/97 4:00:27 AM, you wrote:
<<´m more oriented on thinking of K as the other side of the coin the
Bible says something like the Beast will arrive from the sea like a
dragon with 7 heads or so,>>
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 10:18:16 -0800
From: John Halonen <halonenATnospamflash.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Sorry about the double postings
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Sorry about the double postings. I was having a mail client problem and
this shouldn't happen again.
On the other hand, all the spelling mistakes are clearly my own. :)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 11:02:06 -0800
From: "F. Drew " <leydaATnospamvalunet.com>
To: "DonBBenson" <DonBBensonATnospamaol.com>, <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>,
<kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: *Lord Matraiya*
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From: DonBBenson <DonBBensonATnospamaol.com>
. What I have been thinking
>all these years is that Hopis, Buddhists, Jews, Christians, and others are
all
>awaiting the same One in different translations of the Name and different
>cultural traditions.
***
That's the way I see it.
*
Drew
" So Far; So Good "
leydaATnospamvalunet.com
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 08:59:15 -0800
From: iri <iriATnospamivyrealty.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: no subject
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Chips are also implanted (by veterinarians) in dogs and i believe cats as a
way of identifying them if they get lost. It is a service that you can
request and is easily done in the vet's office. This service has been
offered for considerable time. The chip of course has the pet parent's name
and telephone number and pssoibly the vet's as well. I don't really know the
details.
As for people, if it were applied to the Alzheimer/senile patient and if the
patien twere to get lost then there would be a way to identify his/her
family or guardian, doctor, medication, and other pertinent dsetails that
might help to save a life and make the missing persons identification
process that much easier.
I wonder for those religious observers if the chip would be some kind of
beast of evil....or would it be considered good?
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Don has been referred to as a warrior and/or a guerilla evangelist. I would
ask Don the following. Is this your true belief or are you using a tactic to
stimulate conversation and generate feedback by getting people to express
their ideas and opinions. Goading people works to a point, but one must know
when to draw the line. I hope this is a tactic that you are still learning
to master, because if it is not then perhaps you need to look deep within
yourself to ask why you are doing it. If you are are trying to hone your
skills then try joining a debating team. You should get plenty of practice
in that environmment.
For my part, i have two mentors and consider myself to be lucky. one of them
(zarcon) seldom writes this list. sorry Don, you're not the other one
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 11:11:05 -0600
From: Kathy <deliriumATnospamfull-moon.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: *Lord Matraiya*(RANT warning), Don Benson, etcetera
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DonBBenson wrote:
> <snipped> When Dad showed me this article, what especially
> caught my attention was the depiction of *Lord Matraiya* -- the buddha
>
> prophesied to rule over the paradise of the future. What I have been
> thinking
> all these years is that Hopis, Buddhists, Jews, Christians, and others
> are all
> awaiting the same One in different translations of the Name and
> different
> cultural traditions. What do you think?
I'm suspicious of you, Don...knowing your posts privately to me and
publicly to others, I sort of figure somewhere here you have a hidden
agenda...if I sound like I don't trust you, well, honestly, I don't. I
think this recent post means you're up to yet another "trap" of some
sort...and my suspicious nature here kind of upsets me, especially when
I'm just on the verge of experiencing unconditional love...
I allowed people "like you" (from what I've read of you) to "victimize"
me in my youth and I am bearing the scars of this now. So forgive me if
I sound bitter or pissy...just there's a lot of anger here inside me
that needs to be expressed and your posts have begged for me to express
it in your general direction...I *want* to love you and those like you,
but you scare me so bad with your apparent intolerance that I run away
and wish *you* would disappear.
On the other hand, if suddenly you have sort of come to a conclusion
that all of us *are* actually on the same voyage but on different
paths...well...that *still* doesn't explain why you proselytize to the
list...
Don't get me wrong here, either...I'm sure that at home you're a
perfectly nice person, it's just that your posts on this list "trip me
out" and make me experience the anger from a bunch of things in the
past...I'm trying very hard (probably too hard) to love you and others
"like" you unconditionally...my heart has it but my head keeps saying
"but this is your enemy, silly..."
I realize this post opens me up for more "stuff" but that's okay....I
don't agree with you and "your lot" scares the crap out of me...because
I think of "your lot" as some of the perpetrators of the nastiest crimes
against other humans...and all in the name of God?
I don't get how "your God" could intend for *anyone* to burn in a
fundamentalist type hell for eternity. Nobody's that evil...if this hell
exists then God is a devil himself...and I am tired to death of hearing
how I am condemned to hell for not believing as you do.
I had this stuff crammed down my throat as a child and I really got
scared silly...I couldn't help but wonder as I got older why anyone
would want to scare children into thinking that there was a hell...then
realized it was probably either out of fear, misplaced concern, or just
a good ol' control trip...
Whatever it all was, I'm tired of being afraid of the Don Bensons of
this world...of the gun freaks at work...of things that are cruel and
brainlessly mean...and I don't want to fear them...Don, I don't like
what I read coming from you and there's obviously a reason for this
dislike...I realize this post may provoke you, but it may also make you
understand why some of us on this list are "running for the exits"...the
"Christian Soldiers" scare me...not because of their "compassion", but
instead because I feel seriously threatened...unsafe...with you around.
(end of Rant)
With love (as much as I can muster)...Delirium
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 12:13:15 -0500
From: Mike Stickles <msticklesATnospamantalys.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: RE: implanted chips
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>I wonder for those religious observers if the chip
>would be some kind of beast of evil....or would it
>be considered good?
The chip itself would be neither - it definitely could be
used for good and noble purposes; however, it doesn't
require much imagination to see it being used as a
tool for controlling the populace, or even as the
"mark of the beast" mentioned in Revelation. Most
technologies work this way. Look at the automobile
as an example. It has brought us (good) ambulances,
fire trucks, next-day packages, pizza delivery, home
appliance repair, and so on; but also (bad) smog,
drunk driving, "pork" in transportation bills, drive-by
shootings, and the D.C. Beltway, among other stuff;
and lots of neutral or debatable (is it good or bad?)
stuff like drive-in movies, drive-through restaurants,
suburbs, drive-up banking, the interstate highway
system, and so on.
- Mike
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 11:35:42 -0600 (CST)
From: hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com (Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D.)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: getting blissed by writers
Message-Id: <199712101735.LAA11373ATnospamdfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com>
Amkeon's post on bliss/emptiness made me think of Annie Dillard's line
about "the love that has no object." She is one of my favorite
writers, not least because she can describe the transcendent experience
better than anybody. Ori's booklist is mostly theory-practice; I'd
love recommendations of novelists, essayists, poets, etc. who get this
stuff down on the paper. Holly
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 12:38:28 EST
From: DonBBenson <DonBBensonATnospamaol.com>
To: mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: The Mystress Does Physics
Message-ID: <d4ec6104.348ed3b8ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 97-12-07 16:25:59 EST, mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com writes:
<< I have persuaded a scientist friend of mine to work with me and prepare a
paper for the Nobel Prize committee. "What the Heck?" he said.."They can
only laugh". He is very unconventional, and retiring anyways, and Goddess
K. has begun to have her way with his analytical scientist's mind.. and
they nominated Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi last year..
Something might just come of it, who knows?? >>
Just a friendly word of caution about the possible desirability of being more
prudent and selective in realizing your dreams. Paul Goodman, the bisexual
visionary philosopher hero of the sixties, said in one of his books -- Growing
Up Absurd or Compulsory Mis-Education -- that a professional is someone who
does it for the money. I hope you will guard your amateur standing (an
amateur being one who does it for love) in the field of physics and not let
yourself be seduced by the glamour of wealth and fame which surrounds the
Nobel Prize committee, and leave us poor struggling souls muttering, How could
our beloved List Mystress sell out like that?
But as for making a significant contribution to theoretical physics, I say go
for it. Surely I am not the only one looking forward to reading your joint
paper. Sincerely, Don
P.S. Thanks for teaching me how to type a clickable URL. I bet you learned
that from the Duke of URL hisssself.
P.P.S. Thanks also for your significant recent contribution to my theological
education. I wanted to respond to that post, but I was dumbfounded.
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 11:54:00 -0600
From: Athena <starwindATnospamgte.net>
To: AF <morgandATnospamerols.com>
Subject: Friends
Message-ID: <348ED738.3BA9ATnospamgte.net>
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Another heart-string puller....from a dear friend who knows I am going
through another ...dark hour of the soul...and I am passing it on to all
who might need the same message...Happy Holidays
I Love You, my friends
**********
>><<ATnospam>><<ATnospam>><<ATnospam>
>><<ATnospam>>FRIENDSHIP<<ATnospam>>
>><<ATnospam>><ATnospam>><ATnospam>>
>>
>>
>> << Friendship is a strange thing....we find ourselves telling each other
the
>>deepest details of our lives...things we don't even share with our families
>>who raised us...But what is a friend? A confidant? A lover? A fellow email
>>junkie? A shoulder to cry on? an ear to listen? a heart to feel?...A
friend is
>>all these things...and more. No matter where we met,....I call you
friend. A
>>word so small...yet so large in feeling...a word filled with emotion. It is
>>true great things come in small packages.
>>
>><<ATnospam>>
>>
>> Once the package of friendship has been opened, it can never be
>>closed...it is a constant book always written...waiting to be read...and
>>enjoyed
>>
>>¤°º`~¤ø,¸Ô¸,ø¤°º`~¤ø¤°º`~¤ø,¸Ô¸,ø¤°º`~¤øø¤°º
>>
>> We may have our disagreements...we may argue...we may concern one
>>another... friendship is a unique bond that lasts through it all.... A
part of
>>me is put into my friends...some it is my humor...some it is my listening
>>ear...some it is real life experiences...some it is my romanticism...but
with
>>all, it is friendship. Friendships forged are a construct stronger than
steel
>>built as a foundation....necessary for life...and necessary for love. :-)
>>
>>¤°º`~¤ø,¸Ô¸,ø¤°º`~¤ø¤°º`~¤ø,¸Ô¸,ø¤°º`~¤øø¤~`°`°º
>>
>> Friends, you and me....
>> you brought another friend...
>> and then there were 3...
>> we started our group...
>> Our circle of friends...
>> and like that circle...
>> there is no beginning or end..
>>
>> Keep this going....
>> Email all your friends this message....
>> Email all those friends you never met....
>> Those you have... and those you've lost along the way...
>>
>> ATnospam}----}----
>>
KNOW that you are Loved:-)
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Love and Light unto your Path...THERE IS ONLY ONE OF US...Athena
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 12:38:25 EST
From: DonBBenson <DonBBensonATnospamaol.com>
To: NancyATnospamwtp.net
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: From My Heart
Message-ID: <53e6d504.348ed3ceATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 97-12-09 23:31:42 EST, you write:
<< But Don, I want to know why YOU feel the way you do. Can you tell me
from YOUR heart why your beliefs are the way they are. What I'm asking
you is why you feel that the Bible reflects truth for you, which is
obviously the case.
Most sincerely,
Nancy
>>
Okay, Nancy, I'll try. There is such a vast amount of personal experience to
sort through and summarize, I hardly know where to begin and where to stop.
Some of my earliest memories as a young child involve sitting cross-legged on
a sofa with our dachshund Noodles, afternoon sunshine warming us through the
window, meditating and basking in the presence of God. Happy days.
The unhappiest days came in January 1953 when I was in third grade. Troubles
at home and in school, New England winter gloom, and deeply disturbing visions
of hell produced in me an intense spiritual crisis. Concurrently, I was
enrolled in a Red Cross intermediate swimmer class and had regular access to
the indoor pool at Mt. Holyoke College, where I often swam the length of the
pool underwater.
One of my chores at home, besides feeding the ducks and geese and weeding the
garden, was to change the sheets on my bed every Saturday. I was starting to
hate my bossy mother for interfering with my free spirit by telling me what to
do, and so I often turned this three minute task into a three hour struggle.
One Saturday afternoon after swimming in the morning, I sat cross-legged on my
unmade bed, and I huffed and I puffed and I held my breath until I died. Only
I didn't die. I trembled and I shook and I saw a great light and I
experienced the most extraordinary pleasure throughout my body.
Having devoured the Child's Book of the Planets by Willy Ley, a 1952 Christmas
gift, at first I thought the great light was a vision of our natural sun. But
then I saw someone who looked like an ordinary natural man come quickly and
stand in the middle of the star at the center of our planetary system. Having
just read about the thermonuclear reactions in the sun and its extreme
internal temperatures, I was aghast. To my utter amazement, this totally
supernatural man made himself known to me as Jesus in a very friendly natural
way as though he were my older brother and I could grow up to be just like
him. This was way beyond what I had learned about Jesus from Sunday school
lessons. This was not just an upstart from Nazareth, who got put down by the
religious and political authorities more than 1900 years ago. This was the
risen Christ, absolute Lord of all creation, and he knew me better than I knew
myself, and - rotten kid though I was - he loved me more than I could possibly
imagine. Yet, with all his other responsibilities, he still had time to come
by and visit with me like I was his only kid brother -- a boy with four
sisters, who wished he had a brother.
End of first installment. Have I rambled on too long already? Don
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 12:13:03 -0800
From: "F. Drew " <leydaATnospamvalunet.com>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>, "John Halonen" <mtmindATnospamusa.net>
Subject: Re: 3 Piercings (was Re: Enlightenment)
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From: John Halonen <mtmindATnospamusa.net>
>Just something I see in my mind's eye.
>Even now though I watch my conscienceness shift, and sometimes it feels as
though
>I could walk out in front of my body while fully alert and walking down the
>hall.
******************
I remember when I was a kid, walking to school, being angry because I could
not just will myself there and save time. And this was before " Star Trek "
came along. ( opps, showed my age. ) hehehehehehehe.
*
Drew
" So Far; So Good "
leydaATnospamvalunet.com
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 10:49:59 -0800
From: freda <fredaATnospamblarg.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: 3 Piercings (was Re: Enlightenment)
Message-ID: <348EE457.692FATnospamblarg.net>
I would like to thank Gloria, Susanne, Harsh, amckeon and John okay, all
of you, for your dialog. I was drawn to the list. Although I was told a
number of years ago that what was happening to me might be a K awakening
I did not know what it was, it sounded "way out there" and I dismissed
it in favor of being "nuts". I have not had any training I know of
noone to whom I could turn to to explain the "odd" experiences I have
been having for the last nine years. (the odd behavior and wierd
insights began just prior to my 33 birthday) The articles and books I
found had been of little help, I have a difficult time understanding the
texts. Reading your experiences and insights has helped me to feel more
at ease with this process. I am less afraid and I don't feel so alone
better yet I NO LONGER THINK I AM LOOSING MY MIND.
Thank you doesn't seem enough.
Freda ~ BE-IS-AM
http://www.blarg.net/~freda/01rg/hm/frhm.htm
ICQ # 4323543
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