1997/12/04 04:39-kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #788

1997/12/04 04:39
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #788

kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 788

Today's Topics:
  Re: Multi-orgasmic & desperate need [ TomWinans <tomwinansATnospamearthlink.net> ]
  Re: The shakes [ LilEli <LilEliATnospamaol.com> ]
  Re: What is Going On? [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
  Re: Multi-orgasmic & desperate need [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
  Re: The shakes [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
  Re: The shakes [ anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities. ]
  Depression Month [ Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu> ]
  Alignment of Planets [ Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu> ]
  Realization [ Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu> ]
  oxymorons] (fwd) [ Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu> ]
  Re: Enlightenment [ TDVW36AATnospamprodigy.com ( THOMAS SMITH) ]
  bodily fluids - changed to Krsna sto [ Dieter Dambiec <d.dambiecATnospamstudent.c ]
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 21:26:32 -0800
From: TomWinans <tomwinansATnospamearthlink.net>
To: STARNYCATnospamaol.com, trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu, DonBBensonATnospamaol.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Multi-orgasmic & desperate need for help
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Dear STARNYC,

I hardly feel adequate to address an issue of this seriousness.
All I can do is suggest three things that might help, might not help:

1. Take up some highly creative activity if not already doing so.
   These energies have a not completely undeserved reputation for
   being destructive if deprived of a creative outlet....and
   consider returning to work if your work will provide that,
   or finding work that will provide that.

[ Although that will only help if that is the problem. ]

2. Find a local support group....Ask your spiritual therapist
about providing one. Pressure him if need be.

3. Take advantage of the internet where it is now possible for
   the first time in history to make many meaningful relationships
   with people even thousands of miles apart. If you what you
   need turns out to be simply people to talk with about this new
   facet of your life, the internet does that well.

Also don't be afraid to talk with both Gloria Greco and Mystress
Angelique Serpent on this list who both have a lot of practical
information to share, even if from "slightly" different perspectives.
----
Surfing The Ecstatic Tsunami of Life & Love ~~~ Tom.
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 00:25:43 EST
From: LilEli <LilEliATnospamaol.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: The shakes
Message-ID: <2b64fe3.34863ed9ATnospamaol.com>

In a message dated 97-12-04 00:10:58 EST, ori wrote:

<< I am able to still the shaking when I need to-- when I'm walking
around at work for example, but as soon as I'm back in a quiet
private place the shaking starts again.... <snip> ....
From what I've read and heard, it seems that this can be part of
the process. I know ultimately that I need to listen to my own body
wisdom to allow the energy to find a way through. On the one hand it
seems a sign of progress... that something is really moving.
On the other hand, I'm not sure it is necessary.... <snip>...
I'm wondering what some of the collective wisdom is regarding how
best to work with this process. Also interested in the personal
experiences of others... >>

Hi Ori....Lisa here....

Funny you should mention the shakes. Recently I've been dealing with
similar sensations. For me though, I cannot stop them. Instead I've
tried to just relax into them and let the energy do as it must.

As always I tend to think of K last as a reason for my experiences. It
isn't until I put all the pieces together that the light dawns and I realize
it's just the Goddess doing her thing with me again. For me right now
it's sort of a combination of the shakes, a battle with maintaining my
energy, and being hyper-sensitive to those around me.

Just wondering Ori, are you too experiencing any other issues along
with the shakes?

Blessings to you...

Lisa
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 21:42:43 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: smacraeATnospamcamtech.net.au
CC: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: What is Going On?
Message-ID: <3485C444.1B2FATnospamintercomm.com>

Susanne Macrae wrote:
>
> My friend said she feels like she is treading water in the twilight
> zone. My word for the month is "despair". Overwhelming, unequivocal,
> irrational, profound, pendulous, embracing, insidious despair. Somehow
> in between bouts of this despair I can briefly recognise my "normal"
> state of optimism and peace, fleetingly before I sink again.
>
> Sue

Sue,
what is going on in your life? Is it a difficult time for you during
holidays, it is easy to get caught up in activity and thinking during
this time since it is so emotionally charged, maybe even some stress
from desire, habit, feelings of previous Christmas, etc.
Regardless, we live at a fantastic time, with great potential for those
aware enough to develop through one pointedness the detachment for
change. Like to hear more from you. Gloria
--

Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at:
http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/
&
http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/
Hope you enjoy them!
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 22:01:33 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: STARNYCATnospamaol.com
CC: trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu, DonBBensonATnospamaol.com, heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com,
kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Multi-orgasmic & desperate need for help
Message-ID: <3485C8AD.3D8AATnospamintercomm.com>

> HI Starny, Gloria here:
You are still working from the solar plexus, one can have times when it
would appear that he/she is heart centered, however, whenever there is
confusion and emotional turmoil it means your in the solar plexus.
The thing you need to do is detach enough to understand the process
underway, and most important, make a one pointed effort to get into your
heart center. A while ago I posted on why it was important to get into
the heart before opening up to a lot of psychic energies which are going
to lead to confusion and what I call spinning. Spinning happens when you
are self involved, ie, attached to a teacher, wanting something that
isn't happening, expecting certain results from your actions, etc.
Whenever a person has a lot of spiritual activity, kundalini for
instance, he/she can assume it is going to bring them into a higher
knowing...when instead the negative energy manifests due to ego/shadow
control, they are blown away.
The process involves letting go of control for self, and connecting up
to a higher frequency so that you can come to know that higher self in
you, so that through the Holy Spirit, you can build a direct
relationship inside with God. Your higher self comes into the picture
stronger with every act of letting go, detachment and turning your life
over to your creator.
Starny:
I am terrified becasue my spiritual therapist said that I had a
> sado-masochistic relationship with my meditation teacher, not my fault--and
> that my teacher's god experiences are psychotic--the teacher who was in over
> her head said she would be my friend--and was lovely two weeks ago and said
> she would meditate with me again--and is now not returning my phone
> calls--ITherapist said that I have acute trauma from teacher and K process at
> same time--I want to go back to teaching at the University--I can't bear the
> isolation and friends not understanding--and boyfriend frightened after
> knowing me for 9 years and having seen everything--I am in panic and
> semi-suicidal--have no family and close friends to trust--Meditation teacher
> told me to detach from the world and let ego die--I am desperate-
> conflicted-confused and need hope, and light and stabillity--
> and a teacher with higher consciousness then mine--my meditation teacher said
> I was self-realized but not enlightened--that I knew god--but I can't control
> my mood swings and was very social with phone ringing and lots of interesting
> work--and have no family or anyone who takes me seriously except the
> psychological pathologizers--
> need hope and light and clarity--are any of you in New York that I could
> speak to?

Gloria:
All of this comes down to self involvement, no judgement here, it isn't
right or wrong, it just is. But, that swing of emotion called moods is
casting you into the darkness. Go into my homepage and pull up the
meditation I have there, seriously look at it, and perhaps it will bring
clarity to you. This is a meditation that is focused on helping to build
that spiritual highway to God, so much effort is put into not knowing,
thinking, trying, that it all put strips you of the ability to go on.
This is all illusion thrust upon you by the shadow, your shadow is that
part of you that has always controlled your life. It doesn't want to
lose you, so it creates havoc and even puts those thoughts in your head
about suicide. Lets be rational for one moment so that you can see past
this illusion. If you are miserable here, what makes you think you are
going to be in a better space on the other side where you can't help
yourself???This is the real illusion, here you have choice, you have
ability to choose light over darkness, there you go to the frequency you
have allowed to rule your life. Now, doesn't that kind of say...you are
better off her where change is as close to you as a decision.
> I need an enlightened master in meditation to mirror my Love and calm me--
> please help
> terribly confused, getting to many conflicting and frightening pieces of
> advice from my alleged support system-
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 22:07:43 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: LilEli <LilEliATnospamaol.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: The shakes
Message-ID: <3485CA1E.6883ATnospamintercomm.com>

HI Ori,(Gloria)
You know what I'm going to say, don't you? It is just a part of the
dance, learn to look at it like it is happening to someone else. Very
often the shaking is to break a block, it can be very helpful if you
don't allow any negative thoughts or fears to get into it. It also often
raises your frequency and if you are using an actual physical experience
to get through something...that is all it is.
How connected are you to that heart center? Gloria
>
>

--
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 23:58:09 -0800
From: anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
CC: LilEli <LilEliATnospamaol.com>
Subject: Re: The shakes
Message-ID: <34866291.76D2ATnospamgeocities.com>

LilEli wrote:
>
> In a message dated 97-12-04 00:10:58 EST, ori wrote:
>
> << I am able to still the shaking when I need to-- when I'm walking
> around at work for example, but as soon as I'm back in a quiet
> private place the shaking starts again.... <snip> ....
> From what I've read and heard, it seems that this can be part of
> the process. I know ultimately that I need to listen to my own body
> wisdom to allow the energy to find a way through. On the one hand it
> seems a sign of progress... that something is really moving.
> On the other hand, I'm not sure it is necessary.... <snip>...
> I'm wondering what some of the collective wisdom is regarding how
> best to work with this process. Also interested in the personal
> experiences of others... >>
>
> Hi Ori....Lisa here....
>
> Funny you should mention the shakes. Recently I've been dealing with
> similar sensations. For me though, I cannot stop them. Instead I've
> tried to just relax into them and let the energy do as it must.
>
> As always I tend to think of K last as a reason for my experiences. It
> isn't until I put all the pieces together that the light dawns and I realize
> it's just the Goddess doing her thing with me again. For me right now
> it's sort of a combination of the shakes, a battle with maintaining my
> energy, and being hyper-sensitive to those around me.
>
> Just wondering Ori, are you too experiencing any other issues along
> with the shakes?
>
> Blessings to you...
>
> Lisa

Anandajyoti writes:

I have experienced and still experience these shakes, most of the time I
can feel it start in the spine and then flow through the whole body.
If it does occur even while driving, or amidst work place, I normally
put my consciousness to regularize my breathing, slow and deep and
exhale with mouth open. Sometimes at workplace, I even retire to the
washroom, and regularize my breathing there. It takes about three to
five minutes of regularizing my breathing, then the shakes go away, but
I get constant vibration in my head, around the third eye, it lingers
for hours sometimes,during which I feel a calmness,mentally and
emotionally, and become very focussed on what ever I am doing at the
time.
Then like a child, forget all about it.

Anandajyoti
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/6782
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 23:04:58 -1000
From: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
cc: smacraeATnospamcamtech.net.au
Subject: Depression Month
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95q.971203230100.15351E-100000ATnospamuhunix4>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

Hi Susan
>>>From: Susanne Macrae <smacraeATnospamcamtech.net.au>
To: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: What is Going On?
My friend said she feels like she is treading water in the twilight
zone. My word for the month is "despair". Overwhelming, unequivocal,
irrational, profound, pendulous, embracing, insidious despair. Somehow
in between bouts of this despair I can briefly recognise my "normal"
state of optimism and peace, fleetingly before I sink again.
Sue
>>>
Fortunately I have not been feeling this, but just about every major
friend I have HAS...anyone I know who is spiritually inclined is going
through this deep period of depression. It could be the planetary
situation...(This is not Doctrine Don!) which is said to be pretty
intense alignments right now... I have also heard that it is the
precursor to more light infusions... sort of cleaning out the basement so
the dirt is gone before the clean stuff comes in... definitely NOT your
textbook description here.. but just the same.. it might be comforting.
Ruth
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 23:15:46 -1000
From: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Alignment of Planets
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95q.971203231430.15351G-110000ATnospamuhunix4>
Content-Type: MULTIPART/DIGEST; BOUNDARY=----------------------------
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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 23:30:22 -1000
From: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Realization
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95q.971203232717.24995A-100000ATnospamuhunix4>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

Hi Harsh: Thanks for this information. I have been waiting to see this in
print....
>>>Enlightenment or Self-Realization may certainly take place independent
of the traditional Kundalini system. On certain paths. gaining knowledge
of granthis, Chakras and subtle nerves is considered wholly irrelevant.
This creates confusion in the minds of many.>>>

The Brahma Kumaris say that K. awakening is not necessary for
enlightenment.. they follow Raja Yoga.. the yoga of mind I understand. I
felt that this was true, even though I could not say how I knew... yet
most of the yogis from the Hindu traditions say that only with K.
awakening can one reach this state. What I figure happens is that the
individual soul is awakened to K. by initiation in past lives, and merely
finishes up in the lifetime where enlightenment seemsto happen without K.
Awakening.. what do you think?
Ruth
*****
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 23:44:27 -1000
From: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
cc: LightWork-L email list <LIGHTWORK-LATnospamMB.PROTREE.COM>
Subject: oxymorons] (fwd)
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For those who love language and lightness... a giggle to lighten some of
the depressions...
> Act naturally
>
> Found missing
>
> Resident alien
>
> Advanced BASIC
>
> Genuine imitation
>
> Safe sex
>
> Airline food
>
> Good grief
>
> Same difference
>
> Almost exactly
>
> Government organization
>
> Sanitary landfill
>
> Alone together
>
> Legally drunk
>
> Silent scream
>
> British fashion
>
> Living dead
>
> Small crowd
>
> Business ethics
>
> Soft rock
>
> Butt head
>
> Military intelligence
>
> Software documentation
>
> California culture
>
> New classic
>
> Sweet sorrow
>
> Childproof
>
> "Now, then ..."
>
> Synthetic natural gas
>
> Christian Scientists
>
> Passive aggression
>
> Taped live
>
> Clearly misunderstood
>
> Peace force
>
> Toronto Life
>
> Temporary tax increase
>
> Computer jock
>
> Plastic glasses
>
> Terribly pleased
>
> Computer security
>
> Political science
>
> Tight slacks
>
> Definite maybe
>
> Pretty ugly
>
> Twelve-ounce pound cake
>
> Diet ice cream
>
> Rap music
>
> Working vacation
>
> Exact estimate
>
> Religious intolerance
>
> and one of my personal favorites:
>
> Microsoft Works
============================ sometimes...
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 06:05:27, -0500
From: TDVW36AATnospamprodigy.com ( THOMAS SMITH)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, smacraeATnospamcamtech.net.au
Subject: Re: Enlightenment
Message-Id: <199712041105.GAA13544ATnospammime4.prodigy.com>

stated:

Maybe the big picture is beyond us all (realized masters included)?

Love, sue
===============

Sue.........

The big picture is IN us all...... you need not go any further then
Within yourself......there you shall find all your answers.....

Ask and you shall receive..........
The soul speaks to you in feelings. Listen to your feelings.
Follow your feelings. Honor your feelings.

Namaste'
Tom
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 22:33:43 +1100 (EDT)
From: Dieter Dambiec <d.dambiecATnospamstudent.canberra.edu.au>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: bodily fluids - changed to Krsna story
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.971204222138.17192F-100000ATnospamstudent.canberra.edu.au>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

Don't know much more about this Holly, ... so something different ... just
for interest ...

The drama is long and at times beset with difficult scenes for the
playwright. One
such scene occurred after the total defeat of the Kaoravas at the hands of
the Pandavas, who also suffered heavy losses in the battle.
Dhrtara's't'ra, Ga'ndha'rii and others had reached the battle field.
Opposite them were Lord Krs'n'a, the five Pandava brothers and their
mother. Both parties were in tears. Suddenly, Krs'n'a came across to the
Kaorava camp. They stood facing each other. Ga'ndha'rii and the one
hundred daughters-in-law were also profusely weeping. Following the social
custom of the day, Krs'n'a tried to console Ga'ndha'rii, saying, `Why are
you shedding tears? As you are an intelligent person, you know
very well that this is the law of the world:
"whoever is born is destined to die some day,
whoever comes, goes."

Then Ga'ndha'rii said, `Krs'n'a, when other people lament, one can
easily go to their houses to console them. But when one is grief stricken
oneself, one forgets this and feels even more grief on hearing those words
of consolation.' (The fact is that when an accident takes place in
someone's family, one should not mention the event but should simply go
and sit near the grief stricken person). Krs'n'a remained silent.

`Krs'n'a,' she continued, `I know that you are the person whose duty it is
to direct the drama. I accept this. In your drama you have assigned a
certain role to the Kaoravas and a certain role to the Pandavas. But you
could have assigned the role of the virtuous to my sons instead. Why have
you chosen to show your partiality in this way ?'

It was difficult for Krs'n'a to reply to this question. Krs'n'a
could have reversed the roles, making the Pandavas the sinners and the
Kaoravas the virtuous. Why did He not do this? This was her grievance
against Krs'n'a. Krs'n'a had to remain silent.

Ga'ndhari said, `Krs'n'a, I will lay a curse on you.' What was
Ga'ndhari's complaint? She wanted to know why Krs'n'a had assigned the
role of the wicked to the Koaravas and the role of the virtuous to the
Pandavas. On that occasion Krs'n'a was unable to give any answer, although
there was an answer which could have been given. Ga'ndhari persisted,
`Krs'n'a, you must give we permission to lay a curse on you.'
Before
laying a curse on the Controller of the Drama, one must
first obtain His permission.
Ga'ndhari continued, `Just as all my sons died before my own eyes, let
your entire dynasty be destroyed before my own eyes.' Krs'n'a said in
affirmation, `Let it be so.'

Everything in this universe takes place according to His wish.

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1997/12/04 04:39
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #788