1997/12/03 12:18
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #786
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 786
Today's Topics:
Re: Hungry Kitty [ "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.or ]
Re: Curiosity and more curiosity [ "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.or ]
Re: Intro from Pam [ jeannegATnospamicon.net (Jeanne Garner) ]
Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource [ "Susan Carlson" <divine_goddessATnospamhot ]
Re: Untamed Powers (Off Subject) [ "Susan Carlson" <divine_goddessATnospamhot ]
have your cake AND... [ Am <heidiATnospamadan.kingston.net> ]
Come to TalkCity and Chat about Kund [ Sean Nomura <snomuraATnospammail.arc.nasa. ]
Congratulations for acheiving a high [ "zarcon pitom" <zarconpitomATnospamhotmail ]
Re: Kundalini Meditation [ Blythe <merlinATnospampnn.com> ]
Re: Enlightenment [ "Harsh K. Luthar" <hlutharATnospamresearch ]
Re: Kundalini Meditation [ "Susan Carlson" <divine_goddessATnospamhot ]
K triggers? [ "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.or ]
Re: What is going on? [ HeleniliusATnospamaol.com ]
RE: pompous manifesto:Sex and intell [ Mike Stickles <msticklesATnospamantalys.co ]
Re: Celibacy and Enlightenment-A sho [ "Harsh K. Luthar" <hlutharATnospambryant1. ]
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 08:15:16 -0600 (CST)
From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
To: jwaltersATnospamridgecrest.ca.us
cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Hungry Kitty
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On Tue, 2 Dec 1997 jwaltersATnospamridgecrest.ca.us wrote:
> Reading the posting on the "V" mudra and the cat's behavior reminded
> me of something interesting. Our kitten Mac comes running and loves
> to wrap himself around my feet anytime I'm doing Tai Chi or chi-gung.
> Mac ignores me the rest of the time :). Interestingly he has become
> huge at 7 months of age, bigger than most full-grown cats.
>
> So I suppose that pets being attracted to energy is common for this
> group ?
in the middle of a meditation period my dog comes bounding into my room
and tries to jump up onto my window seat. i had to laugh, he seemed so
happy to be there. He's a little guy, a Westhighland White terrior we
rescued from a puppy mill. Couple of times i've found him curled up on the
floor next to my shrine.
maybe i shouldnt close the door so much when i meditate but have you ever
had a dog staring up at you as you peer at the world through half-closed
eyes? guess my calm abiding isnt calm enuf to pass the doggy-stare test
yet ;).
maitri,
--janpa
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 08:27:31 -0600 (CST)
From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
To: Athena <starwindATnospamgte.net>
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Curiosity and more curiosity
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On Tue, 2 Dec 1997, Athena wrote:
> Debora A. Orf wrote:
> > without getting too far into things that are secrets, is someone able to
> > answer in a general way?
>
>
> Secrets ??? is this list about secrets ???
>
> I just suscribed today, and am wondering if I am on the right list....
>
> I have NOT studied Eastern mystecism, beyond a few popular books...
i'm sorry that my post triggered this. after years of trying to deal with
myself in this crazy world, i turned to Eastern thoughts, mainly Buddhist
ones, and found a home.
So from me you may hear things that reference things that are 'esoteric'.
i'm sorry, its just my way of referencing the world.
In Tibetan Buddhism there are some practises that work on one's energy
that are not 'open to the public' so to speak. it does not mean they are
special and we are keeping folks in the dark deliberatly.
It does mean one needs a teacher to do them. its set up to prevent
catastrophe. A buddhist practioner is trying to awaken/rediscover his or
her own latent potential, or Buddha nature. Sometimes this takes quiet
contemplation under a tree. Sometimes it requires the Nuclear Weapons of
spirituality.
Well that's how i see it :).
If one does not agree with me, that is fine. Please disregard what i have
to say then, as my intent is not to harm. If you find that reading my
words causes distress, then please, do not read them, just delete the
posting and i promise to keep trying to use my speech with skill instead
of ignorance.
Please have a wonderfully fabulous day.
Maitri, (another sanskrit term, this one means 'with lovingkindness')
--dao
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 08:35:20 -0600
From: jeannegATnospamicon.net (Jeanne Garner)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Intro from Pam
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>Thank you Pam and Athena for posting what you did today.
>
>Like each of you, I am not knowledgeable in all of the Hindu names and
>the technical blah blah blah that happens so much here. I am, however,
>familiar with Kundalini, having experienced it many times, both gently
>and forcefully in what people in here call kriyas.
Hi, Jim:
Don't give up on the list--it seems to go through cycles, just as its
members do. Even if some seem kinda "know it all" at times, most, maybe
all, are loving, helpful, and sometimes even inspiring. In my own
experience, I've noted that I have my own cycles of reading everything, of
ignoring certain names, or not reading anything at all for awhile. To my
great surprise, I've learned and grown because of posts I didn't
particularly like, or, at first, understand--but the growth came mostly
because I, or someone else, asked the important question: so what's a
"_____" anyway? No shame in not knowing, after all--but what a joy to open
up to new knowledge, new perspectives, new ways of growing!
Since joining this list, I've encountered several "inadvertant gurus." From
a "conventional" standpoint, several of these would seem most unlikely.
Lesson? Can't judge a book. I know, the saying adds "by its cover," but I
like to leave that off. Any given book is going to be helpful to =someone=
somewhere. If I don't happen to fancy it now, I might later, I might have
done so in the past, or maybe it just wasn't written for me. But you can be
sure it was written for someone. It has its audience--and its
lessons--somewhere in the world, even if only for the author.
The same goes for posts here. You'll probably read what you need to read,
but in general, I'd say there's more to be learned when the mind is open and
actively curious, rather than dismissing the unfamiliar out of hand.
Jeanne
==-* My stars!
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 08:32:14 PST
From: "Susan Carlson" <divine_goddessATnospamhotmail.com>
To: pmyersATnospammail.coin.missouri.edu
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
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>Date: Thu, 03 Jan 1980 06:13:36 -0600
>To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
>From: Pam Myers <pmyersATnospammail.coin.missouri.edu>
>Subject: Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
>
>Hi,
>
>This is very similar to what people experience after an attunement
>to Reiki. (A process that opens the crown, heart, and hand chakras to
enable
>one to channel healing energy.) See my web site in the sig file below
for more
>info on Reiki if you are not familiar with it. Sometimes people receive
these
>attuenments spontaneously without the aid of a Master--but that is not
>common .
>
>Pam :)
I was viewing a site that had the attunement meanings posted on it...to
be clear there were no symbols shown...and i received a
powerful k blast to my whole body. it was so powerful i had to hold
onto the arms of the chair to keep from falling over.
there is energy held in the definitions of the symbols...not just the
symbols themselves.....reiki stuff amplifies my k experiences and i have
only received two reiki treatments in about 10 years.
>At 05:17 PM 12/2/97 -1000, you wrote:
>>I'm not sure it was the big "K".
>>Please enlighten me.
sounds like the big k itself.
blessings,
Susan
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Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 08:41:14 PST
From: "Susan Carlson" <divine_goddessATnospamhotmail.com>
To: duncanmATnospamemh22.eustis.army.mil
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Untamed Powers (Off Subject)
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>From: "Duncan, Mark" <duncanmATnospamemh22.eustis.army.mil>
>To: Kundalini List <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
>Cc: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
>Subject: Untamed Powers (Off Subject)
>Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 09:21:01 -0500
>
>A friend of mine has a gift of healing by energy.
>
>However, when she gets mad, glass breaks and mirrors shatter in her
>presence. She is desperately seeking help on how to control this
power.
>She is such a nice mild mannered person it is hard to see this level of
>anger coming from her. She will not even hurt a fly (seriously). Is
>there anywhere to go for info? What books are available.
she doesnt need info on how to control her powers....she needs an
experience of having peace in her heart.
>From my experience in counseling hundreds of people about anger,
the"mild mannered" "not hurt a fly" are often filled with unexpressed
rage and resentment....this why her energy is being expressed in
violence and destruction.
Finding a good anger therapist will help...paticulary one who has
experience in treating codependency also.
As her heart quiets...so will her destructiveness.
blessings,
Susan
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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 12:49:30 -0500
From: Am <heidiATnospamadan.kingston.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: have your cake AND...
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>just my two cents from years of experience .... my two ex's thought I was a
>nymph ....but apparently I was stuck in my lower chakras at that time ....
>better now that I have experienced the kundalini opening..
To be stuck in either is probably not ok. To balance the two is to be ALL to
have it ALL, so to speak. :)
IMHO Am
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 08:54:40 -0800
From: Sean Nomura <snomuraATnospammail.arc.nasa.gov>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Come to TalkCity and Chat about Kundalini
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Hey all! :)
There's a great place to chat called TalkCity. You can chat if you have
Netscape. This will allow a 'chat program' called EZTalk to load in on your
browser so you can enter any of the chat rooms that are available.
Any and all are invited to come to TalkCity at: http://www.talkcity.com/chat/
After EZTalk is loaded in, click 'List Rooms", then click "All Rooms", then
click "kundalini"
Those of you using mIRC or Pirch, the server address is
"chat.talkcity.com:6667"
If there is no one there you can create the Kundalini chat room yourself
(or any other chat room).
The chat rooms allow for up to 50 people at a time.
See ya there!
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 08:59:43 PST
From: "zarcon pitom" <zarconpitomATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Congratulations for acheiving a higher level of self awareness
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Experiencing the K comes in many forms, whatever the initiator.....be it
sexual play in whatever form it takes, NDE or other, the form is not
really the important thing for it may differ with each of you.
Is BDSM right or wrong.....the Mystress would say right and others may
say wrong.....it like many things is an individual choice and that
choice is right for that individual.....Is this the instigator of a "k"
awakening?.....good for that individual.....perhaps with the next it is
an NDE.....then that is the right avenue of experience.....
The list is seemingly preoccupied with sex at the moment.....from an
observer's prospective this is a fascinating new cycle.....an openness
between K-Listers.....a comfort level to discuss intimacy....
bravo!!!!!...shedding fear of being ridiculed (that is what you are
doing subconsciously) for one's opinions, fantasies and desires is one
major step to feeling love..... I applaud those of you who have acheived
a higher level for that is what this discussion is really about.....but
it really is a new level of openness with yourself.....
Perhaps, in ways unknown to the list, the Mystress has prompted you to
rise above your previous limitations. If so then you should thank the
Mystress, silently if you wish, for her Goddess type of assistance.
I will be more open and start it off. Thank You Mystress/Goddess for
your help.
zarcon
i am of the ages
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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 09:08:54 -0800 (PST)
From: Blythe <merlinATnospampnn.com>
To: TDVW36AATnospamprodigy.com ( THOMAS SMITH)
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Kundalini Meditation
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At 05:47 AM 12/3/97 -0500,Tom, you wrote:
>My favorite is the classic bhutta shuddhi. It takes awhile to write
>it out,
>so just tell me if you're familiar with it, and if not, I'll write it
>all
>down.
Please write it down, Tom. I've not heard of it. Thanks.
Blythe [with cat on lap]
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 13:23:17 -0500
From: "Harsh K. Luthar" <hlutharATnospamresearch1.bryant.edu>
To: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospamsynopsys.com>
CC: "Harsh K. Luthar" <hlutharATnospambryant.edu>, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Enlightenment
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I wrote:
To associate Kevala Nirvikalpa Samadhi with the breaking of Granthis is
considered an error in Jnana Yoga.
>
Kurt responded: I think it's comments like this that begin to get us
onto slippery
> territory. It's not that what you're saying is unprecedented it's that I
> don't know where you're coming from (i.e. from what tradition you are
> speaking) when you say it.
Since I followed the Classical Hatha Yoga Path involving raising of
Kundalini (before starting on the Jnana path) it was necessary to break
the three granthis and go through various stages before Recognition of
the Self. However, for someone who has followed the path of Jnana from
the beginning, Kevala Nirvikalpa Samadhi *can* result without first
making a direct attempt to raise the Kundalini. In fact it has happened
in rare cases with Ramana Maharishi being the prime example. The Sage
spontaneously realized the Self when he was barely 17 and remained in
the Sahaj state until his physical departure at the age of 70. Ramana
Maharishi was visited by many who were considered the greatest Kundalini
Masters of the day, including Swami Yogananda, the founder of
Self-Realization Fellowship, I believe Swami Nityananda, and Swami Rama
to name just a few who are known in the U.S.
Enlightenment or Self-Realization may certainly take place independent
of the traditional Kundalini system. On certain paths. gaining knowledge
of granthis, Chakras and subtle nerves is considered wholly irrelevant.
This creates confusion in the minds of many.
I am convinced that without Self-Realization, it is not possible to
reconcile the different paths. And afterwards, it is not necessary!:-)
God bless everyone with all that is best in life.
Harsh
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 08:58:36 PST
From: "Susan Carlson" <divine_goddessATnospamhotmail.com>
To: TDVW36AATnospamprodigy.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Kundalini Meditation
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>From: TDVW36AATnospamprodigy.com ( THOMAS SMITH)
>Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 05:47:54, -0500
>To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
>Subject: Kundalini Meditation
>
Tom,
One of the best Kundalini meditations I have found is a movement
meditation by the Osho foundation called appropriately enough,
Kundalini Meditation.
You can buy their CD or tape off their website I believe. Osho was a
tantric mystic and teacher, very popular with western people.
I have found it to be an effective meditation.
you may be able to find an Osho center near you that offers the
Kundalini meditation on a regular basis.
Blessings,
Susan
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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 11:35:30 -0600 (CST)
From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: K triggers?
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God rest ye merry, gentleones....let nothing you dismay :)
Thoughts: (random sorta)
Someone mentioned k-trigger being abuse. Yikes. as horrible as that can
be, i think that person is hardly alone.
For other's its webpages, colours. remember the first time you saw an aura
& went 'omigarsh!--they do exist!'
Shimmering trees and blue mountains. Visions and sounds and colours.
kinda scary.
Some its the Goddess, Shakti.
i think for me, it was the fractals. :) I was looking at Sharon's web site
and realized why i put a fractal on my own website. Do you notice the
shape of the mandelbrot set is similar to the aura shapes depicted around
the Bodhisattva's pictures? Triggered a "Hey cool--that looks like...."
call it a Kirlian Kodak Moment.
Then the fun side of K, headaches, dizzyspells, hunches, psi flashes,
auras. the "am i going crazy" stuff.
at first it was always explosive. always catapulting me into intense bliss
and/or lights. Now its more steady....its more trustworthy. It moves, but
it does not 'explode' as often. never thought i'd get here.
ok enuf rambling...
Tashi Delek,
--dao
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 13:23:09 -0500 (EST)
From: HeleniliusATnospamaol.com
To: mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: What is going on?
Message-ID: <971203132308_-1926579299ATnospammrin79>
Comments on "what's going on?"
I identify with all of this post completely. I have for quite some time
noticed the synchronicity of the crises/funks of everyone in my life. We
move through the same patterns at the same time...kinda like how female
friends/roomates often find that they syncronize their menstrual cycles.
Scientist have studied this phenomenon but fail to explain it in their (i'm
a scientist too so i can poke fun!) often limited view of energy exchange
systems.
I remember hitting this type of feeling every year at this time, but the
intensity does grow. My best friend's apartment burned down, family
illness, "blue funks", energy so intense it's like radiation exposure...My
face actually is visibly almost raw...I know what tim's talking about too
with the various layers of new spiritual bodies...I have had this experience
off and on for quite a while, but the intensity is escalating at a phenomenal
rate. I've been through these cycles before...they can be miserably hellish,
but they are great times of growth. After a week or so of what we've been
having, I am suddenly in this new incredible layer of strength, love and
overwhelming peace. So, the way I look at it, this is going to be great!
I thought I'd sign off with something I wrote about this "funk" about 9 years
ago, when I was an undergrad.
winter
The ineffable stillness of my heart's solstice
is a cold burning of lead and blood,
leaving me to walk alone in the Valhalla of the undead,
where i take a seat of honor in a winter of ash and heroes.
*****************************
Does anyone associate this certain "solstice" grey sky as somehow "tasting
metallic", or like tin? I have this taste of metal when it is this
particular time of year, when it is this particular shade of drain/zap.
Initially, i did not percieve the "taste" in anyway tangible, but the
symbols fit. I'd write in my journal, "the sky tastes like tin...." or
about that familiar "greying into everything, that my entire soul is being
oxidized, and i'm so hollow in my unconcern. It's like watching how the
trees grow thin in the flat landscapes of your soul. It becomes the nothing
that is everything....and the unconcerned observer of myself was the very
part of me that provoked a feeling of being "disturbed." I realize my own
little language for these
solstice blues is very esoteric, but perhaps not entirely.
If i said " i live in a white washed world of Clorox and tears," would it at
least communicate something to other K people? That is a side topic which
fascinates me...the poetic descriptions of various spiritual
struggles/exp/states...wondering if their is a cohesive dynamic underneath
one's putting one's soul to words..symbol and language...a fascinating realm.
Peace be with you all,
Helen
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 14:00:40 -0500
From: Mike Stickles <msticklesATnospamantalys.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com,
Mystress Angelique Serpent
<mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
Subject: RE: pompous manifesto:Sex and intelligence.
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Just a few things that hit me...
<snip>From my experience of highly sexual people,
>which is vast, "perverts" tend to be much brighter
>than average folks.. the idea of the "stupid pervert",
>is a predjudice of patriarchy. <snip>From my
>perspective, intelligence and a high sex drive go
>together more often than not..<snip>
Interesting - in my experience, I've seen no correlation
(my experience is from the "very bright" rather than the
"highly sexual" side). That would still make the "stupid
pervert" idea a prejudice, or invalid stereotype - one I've
never heard before, actually (Of course, I've been so
insulated from most prejudices that I had never even
heard a racial slur until my first year of college).
<snip>To my mind, the few religions that are sex-
>positive are the ones really invested in empowering
>the individual. The religions that are sex-negative/
>repressive.. usually patriarchal, like the Judaeo-
>christian and some Vedic.. tend to hide the sacred
>power of sexuality under a lot of warnings and tabus
>to keep the seeker controllable. (watch out for the
>snake!)<snip>
Could also be that the warnings and tabus were originally
intended as "safety fences" - as you said, sexuality has
sacred *power*, and most of us have had experience w/
power that we weren't ready for. That's one of the reasons
that numerous teachings in various traditions were kept
under "lock and key" for so long. Of course, whenever you
deal with power/authority, those who want to corner the
market are more than ready to expand the rule book (the
Pharisees come to mind in my tradition).
Interesting, tho, that you would think of Judaeo-Christian
religion as "sex-negative/repressive". Obviously, our take
on permissible forms of sex and sexuality would be far
more restrictive than yours, yet I have definitely never had
the feeling that I'm missing out on anything, or have to
repress any sexual desires. A look only at the outer
practices might lead someone to think that my wife and
I have a very limited sex life, but each position has within
itself a practically limitless variety and scope. I guess it's
like Dr. Who's ship - the Tardis (did I spell that right?) -
the thing is way bigger on the inside than it looks on the
outside. What looks like a small range of practices can
be explored for a lifetime without exhausting it.
As a little aside here, the ones who get the most bad
press for sexual repression - the Puritans - actually did
teach that married couples should enjoy their sex lives.
When one man's wife complained that he was neglecting
their sex life, and he refused to stop neglecting it, they
excommunicated him!
Of course, I am part of a fellowship whose take on the
roles of male and female, while still "patriarchal" in some
sense, is more concerned with mutual submission,
service and respect than with "who's in charge." Maybe
the "repression" or "negative" aspects come from power
struggle - when nobody's on a power trip, the problem
doesn't manifest. And I have observed that fellowships
where mutual love and respect are stressed tend to be
far more concerned with individual empowerment - there
the clergy/laity line is rubbed out almost completely.
<skipping snips on the intelligence stuff since they'd
be *way* too big>
I don't know that I'd put the intelligences in a hierarchy
since they have different purposes - neither is "smarter"
than the other, in my view, unless you try to use them
where they do not apply.
Example - my body intelligence would be pretty poor
in determining how to organize the functions of my
current programming project into libraries (though my
intuition, informed by years of experience, can help).
On the other hand, my brain would fail trying to get me
through a bike ride - even if I could maintain balance,
I'd ride right off a cliff before I could finish calculating
the moments of inertia and velocity vectors for a turn.
For me, the goal has always been to have all the parts
working together in harmony, so to speak, with each
one "calling the shots" in its own realm. Logical mind,
intuition, body intelligence, spiritual awareness - each
has something to contribute. It is as if the "I" of me is
President of my life, which the various intelligences as
my "cabinet officers". Each specializes in a different
domain. In various situations their advice is weighted
differently. But there is an "I" which is not any of them
who makes the decisions regarding my actions. At
times that "I" may allow one to "take over" - as an
example, if I were accosted in a back alley, my "I"
would allow a split-second for logic, intuition and
spirit to recommend between fight or flight, make its
choice, then turn the whole shebang over to the body
and stay out of the way until the dust settled or the
pursuit was left behind!
- Mike Stickles
P.S. - Like that "2 hugs a day" thought - at my church
I'm getting famous (infamous?) for the "hug attack" -
sneaking up behind someone who looks like they need
a hug and suprising them with one. We're a "huggy"
fellowship so nobody gets upset about the hug - most
everybody loves it - but I have come close to wearing
someone's coffee a few times when I didn't notice their
mug until it was too late. :-)
P.S.S. - You've mentioned a couple of times about
some other mailing lists you're on. Would you be willing
to list a few you find particularly enlightening, and diverse
enough to tolerate a Fundamentalist Christian mystic?
(back in college I knew some folks in a few non-Christian
mystical traditions who reacted to my mere presence as
if I was a stereotypical Bible-thumping fire-and-brimstone
preaching stump evangelist. That's why I rarely do any
direct proselytizing, and never among folks with a mystic
bent - in my experience as soon as I say I'm a Christian
they re-hear every sermon ever preached at them, in an
instant - so why be repetitive? If they have any serious
misconceptions, it's more effective to deal with that over
time in topical discussions rather than by preaching.
Besides, preaching is one-way, so *I* don't get to learn
anything that way :-). As the cliche goes, there's a good
reason why God gave us two ears and one mouth :-).
Anyway, getting back to the point, I wouldn't want to be
a disruptive presence).
P.S.S.S - Nothing actually, I've just always wanted to
get to three "P.S."s in one message :-).
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 15:03:12 -0500
From: "Harsh K. Luthar" <hlutharATnospambryant1.bryant.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Celibacy and Enlightenment-A short story
Message-ID: <3485BB00.4562ATnospamacad.bryant.edu>
At the age 22, I was training to be a monk. I used to make a living
teaching Yoga at a major health club in NYC. Beautiful models and
actresses wearing revealing work out clothes came there everyday and it
was a challenge to not be distracted. On top of it, my job required me
to take measurements of the members when they first joined and show them
how to use various machines. In order to remain chaste, I tried not to
make eye contact with the women and looked at their shoulders or past
them when holding a conversation.
One day, a particularly stunning female member joined and was assigned
to me. After I took the measurements, she requested that I feel her
buttocks ("Tush" as she put it) for firmness. I was stunned. "How will
you know if I have gotten firmer unless you have something to compare it
to," she said, and insisted that I comply. My supervisor standing next
to me said, "We have to please our customers!" So with the blood rushing
to my face and neck with embarassment and practically in tears, I did as
I was told. She was quite firm.
After that it became a weekly ritual for her. She insisted at the end of
each week that I determine the extent of her firmness in that area. And
feeling that this was part of my job duties, I methodically and
carefully did so each week and gave my report to her.
Some months went by and one day she did not show up as scheduled. A
friend, a fellow Yogi, knowing my plight said to me, "You are spared
this week. It must bother you that you have to do this as part of your
job." I could not resist smiling. "No it does not bother me anymore
David," I said. "I am more concerned about the fact that I have started
to look forward to it!" And we laughed and laughed and laughed.
Harsh
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