1997/12/03  02:01  
 kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #784 
  
kundalini-l-d Digest				Volume 97 : Issue 784
 
Today's Topics: 
  Re: What is going on?                 [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistres ] 
  Re: ESO: Mini or Maxi -take ya pick!  [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistres ] 
  Re: Janpa's curiosity                 [ Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospamsynopsys.com> ] 
  Re: The truth will out                [ LH5110ATnospamaol.com ] 
  Re: The truth will out                [ TomWinans <tomwinansATnospamearthlink.net> ] 
  AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Cen  [ Paul Joseph Nanna <nannaATnospamix.netcom. ] 
  RE: No harm taken....                 [ Blythe <merlinATnospampnn.com> ] 
  Re: Janpa's curiosity                 [ "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.or ] 
  upper versus lower/all chakras        [ Blythe <merlinATnospampnn.com> ] 
  Just A Thought to Share               [ LH5110ATnospamaol.com ] 
  Re: Just A Thought to Share           [ TomWinans <tomwinansATnospamearthlink.net> ] 
  V Hands, aka The Spock mudra          [ ori^ <oriATnospameskimo.com> ] 
  Hungry Kitty                          [ jwaltersATnospamridgecrest.ca.us ] 
  Re: Intro from Pam                    [ jim.christophersonATnospamjuno.com (Jim R  ] 
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 18:15:24 
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: What is going on? 
Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19971202181524.333768e4ATnospamdomin8rex.com> 
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   Hiya:  
  I picked up this thread from another list.. energy movements like this 
are often felt by Kundalites.. I have been doing a lot of distance energy 
work, so I cannot tell what effects are from that and what is "just going 
around".. but I thought I'd toss it out for discussion here.. how is 
everyone feeling these days??  
  Usually on the K.list, energy movements like this show up higher as a 
level of passion and fractiousness.. stuff being expressed and released.. 
seen some of that happening lately fer sure.  
  Blessings, Mystress.
 
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>From: Michelle Withers <cmwithATnospamCONCENTRIC.NET> 
>Subject:      Re: What is going on? 
>To: LIGHTWORK-LATnospamMB.PROTREE.COM 
> 
>Dear all, 
> 
>I'll join in on this sharing.  Just about everyone I know has been stomach 
>sick since Wednesday last week (it's all gone now), even people traveling 
>from far away, got sick - before any germ could have incubated....like 
>hours later, sort of thing.  It's not been food poisoning, just alot of 
>upset stomaches in this neck of the woods.  I haven't called a single 
>person who hasn't commented that they had several sick people home for the 
>day - or had a difficult thanksgiving due to illness.  The odd part is that 
>the Dads/husbands all came down with the illness later than everybody else, 
>and with all the men I know, they all caught it on the same day.....very 
>odd indeed.  :) 
> 
>I like the idea that this is more than just coincidence - could be another 
>interesting energy build up before christmas.  Last year prooved to be very 
>interesting, and quite powerfully transformational....pretty much across 
>the board. 
> 
>I guess we'll see - huh? 
> 
>Davit, it's nice to hear from you again.  :) 
> 
>In light and love, 
> 
>Michelle 
> 
> 
>>On Tue, 2 Dec 1997, Athena wrote: 
>> 
>>> Tim Duna wrote: 
>>> > Does anyone know what's going on with the REALLY heavy energy days today 
>>> > and this past weekend?  Yesterday, it felt like I was getting an earthen 
>>> > lightbody (crystalline body, not merkaba), coming from below instead of 
>>> > from above.  But also, I felt like I was getting another body coming 
from 
>>> > above, like a spiritual layer to the lightbody descending, or something 
>>> > like that.  Anyone else feel this, or have something to say about it? 
>>> 
>>> hmmm.. you said it pretty well my friend... I too have been getting all 
>>> kinds of *strange* energy ...transformations...but mine seems o be 
>>> manifesting through the heart chakra... and the solar plexus... 
>>> 
>>> Different strokes for different folks ??? 
>> 
>>It really seems that way. I've been going through a difficult crisis 
>>in the last few days, too. It's over now, but it wasn't very easy, 
>>especially for my close ones, if you know what I mean.  ;) 
>> 
>>** 
>>* Vjera Lopina            e-mail: vlopinaATnospamfilolog.hfi.hr           * 
>>* Slovenska 19                    Vjera.LopinaATnospamffzg.hr             * 
>>* 10000 ZAGREB, Croatia           IRCnick: Marsovac                * 
>>** 
>Tim:
 
I second the question...just re-phrased a bit...
 
My personal "sign" of lower digestive tract distress triggered about a 
week and a half ago, and broke last Wed/Thurs - this is normally a sign 
of heavy energy to come.
 
I'm sure there are lots of opinions and explainations to be offered (and 
hope they will be), but I personally attribute it to the start of the 
winter solstice energy wave - in other words, the past weekend was the 
trough that leads to the "energy wave" cresting around Dec 22nd.  Same 
pattern as last year, just a bit stronger...
 
Anybody laying significance on 12/12 this time around??
 
davit 
>********* 
*** 
> 
>To view my porcelean angels goto http://www.roo.com/mall/mw/index.htm or 
>http://angelnet.com/frame.html.  Goto the "stories" section in the lower 
>left corner and my story is called "Clay angels".  There is a photo at the 
>end.  She is also at http://w3.one.net/~crbryant/redweb/redweb.html 
>
 
>
 
Mystress Angelique Serpent,  
  Dominant Experiential Facilitator. 
Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent 
      :D   ;)  :0   :)   ;P   :0   ;)   :D   :0   :)  ;P  :0  ;)  :)     
    Common sense and a sense of humor are the same thing, moving at  
   different speeds. A sense of humor is just common sense, dancing. 
   -- Clive James  
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
 Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Officially the most beautiful city in the world. 
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 19:12:42 
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: ESO: Mini or Maxi -take ya pick! 
Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19971202191242.2c3752e4ATnospamdomin8rex.com> 
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  The original ESO book came out in 1982.. in 1990 they put out an updated 
version.. "The ESO Ecstacy Program".. about 3x longer, it's been rearranged 
into a course for couples, including a number of communication excercises 
to "clear the air", so such intimacy is possible. Tastefully illustrated. 
Serpent's seal of approval as the best sex manual on the planet.. it does 
not deal with tantric energy tho.. but for the perceptive, one can SEE 
where the energy goes and how to enhance it.  
  Paperback, about $11.99 US prices. Alan P.Brauer and Donna J. Brauer. 
  ISBN 0-446-39178-6 
 Blessings, Mystress.
 
  Note to Ori^.. add this to the Cybrary? 
 
At 15:06 29/11/97 -0400, you wrote: 
>Have you read ESO?????  Abook called Extended Sexual Orgasm.  I read it 
>back in the seventies or early eighties I don't remember the author, it 
>deals with the male and the female aspects of this topic you are 
>discussing. 
> 
>   \----/            love and hugs, 
> <(------|=>          Turtle Woman 
>   /----\                "those who know me think i am beautiful, those who 
>                           don't,  don't know me!!!!!"  (jcazemiro) 
>
 
Mystress Angelique Serpent,  
  Dominant Experiential Facilitator. 
Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent 
      :D   ;)  :0   :)   ;P   :0   ;)   :D   :0   :)  ;P  :0  ;)  :)     
    Common sense and a sense of humor are the same thing, moving at  
   different speeds. A sense of humor is just common sense, dancing. 
   -- Clive James  
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
 Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Officially the most beautiful city in the world. 
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 18:08:02 -0800 
From: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospamsynopsys.com> 
To: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org> 
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com 
Subject: Re: Janpa's curiosity 
Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971202180801.00f3c8ecATnospampcpo-1> 
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>yours truly studies Dzogchen in a Nyingma lineage. (HH Dudjom Rinpoche's)
 
I guessed the Nyingma part but when you say HH Dudjom Rinpoche's - is that 
your particular branch. Since he's passed away I think he's passed on 
things to ... I know that HH Penor Rinpoche is formally the head of the sect.
 
> 
><snip stuff for space> 
> 
>One comment tho,  
> 
>> Like Tsong Khapa, one of the great Nyingma thinkers Longchen Rabjampa (I'm 
>> on thinner ice here) follows the Madhyamaka school. The difference is that 
>> he believes that the absence of true existance *does* imply another mode of 
>> existance. As I understand it this other implied nature of existance is the 
>> non-duality of ``rigpa'' or the empty clarity of mind.  
> 
>More like luminously clear. "empty' is a troublesome translation for 
>sunyata. I've heard the translation 'limitless' to fit the word more. 
 
The word being translated is not shunyata (stong pa nyid) but shunya (stong 
pa). Recently Choskyi Nyima Rinpoche visited the Bay Area and gave a series 
of teachings. He repeatedly described rigpa as ``gsal stong'' - literally 
clear and empty - his translator translated the phrase as such. In any 
case, weren't you supposed to be a Newbie :-)
 
> 
>i associate Longchen Rabjampa with Dzogchen too. His book "The practise of 
>Dzogchen".
 
That's why I used him as an example.
 
>> >Does one, like we do, have to take special vows and follow your guru's 
>> >advice. 
>>  
>> Actually it was responding to this point that got me interested in your 
>> post but now I've exhausted myself :-) 
> 
>take a break! 
> 
>> I can't decide whether  it is the monastic aspect or the Tantric aspect of 
>> Tibetan Buddhism that really caused the emphasis on vows. In any case there 
>> are lots of vows as you know. In all my experiences with Indian yogis I've 
>> never been given a vow of any sort.  
> 
>i'd hazard its both. Certain initiations require that one be ready 
>morally and mentally and all other factors one can think of. So they 
>require that one take the Bodhisattva's vow or other vows, some of which 
>are never revealed except between guru & disciple. Kinda like if you want 
>to be like so & so Buddha or Bodhisattva, you gotta agree to act like 
>them too . 
 
but if it came from tantra you would expect it to be shared in shaiva 
tantra as well since there are so many other parallels. there is a real 
departure in the two traditions, shaiva and buddhist tantra, on the issue 
of secrecy and vows - at least as shaiva tantra is currently exposited.
 
>maitri, (what does mangalam mean)> 
 
it's similar to tashidelek - which I expect your familiar with. 
Auspiciousness!
 
Kurt 
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 22:04:28 -0500 (EST) 
From: LH5110ATnospamaol.com 
To: NancyATnospamwtp.net 
cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com 
Subject: Re: The truth will out 
Message-ID: <971202220427_-2140786556ATnospammrin58.mail.aol.com>
 
what is so amazing to me is that we profess kundalini but apparently many are 
stuck in their lower chakras - found when we are truly open the energies flow 
upward and open many areas of our brain for the power we are to have - maybe 
some of you should try it and get out of the sex dependency routine....sex it 
great, but if we believe this is where it is then we are travelling by our 
lower chakras only -  
 
just my two cents from years of experience ....  my two ex's thought I was a 
nymph ....but apparently I was stuck in my lower chakras at that time .... 
better now that I have experienced the kundalini opening.. 
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 19:20:09 -0800 
From: TomWinans <tomwinansATnospamearthlink.net> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com 
Subject: Re: The truth will out 
Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971202192009.006db838ATnospammail.earthlink.net> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
 
>what is so amazing to me is that we profess kundalini but apparently many are 
>stuck in their lower chakras - found when we are truly open the energies flow 
>upward and open many areas of our brain for the power we are to have - maybe 
>some of you should try it and get out of the sex dependency routine....sex it 
>great, but if we believe this is where it is then we are travelling by our 
>lower chakras only -   
> 
>just my two cents from years of experience ....  my two ex's thought I was a 
>nymph ....but apparently I was stuck in my lower chakras at that time .... 
>better now that I have experienced the kundalini opening..
 
Let me assure you that after getting beaten out of my body by my old man when 
I was a kid and spending most of 40 years in my head, that "upper chakras" by  
themselves are not where it's at (even if they bring us useful things).
 
How 'bout some balance. 
---- 
Surfing The Ecstatic Tsunami of Life & Love ~~~ Tom. 
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 17:17:05 -1000 (HST) 
From: Paul Joseph Nanna <nannaATnospamix.netcom.com> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center  
Message-Id: <199712030317.RAA16503ATnospamhaleakala.aloha.net>
 
I'm not sure it was the big "K". 
Please enlighten me. 
A warm glow that permeated my body from the center of me, out. 
the feelings experienced were, a "rage-ing peace", a love and security like I would imagine an 
infant feels at it's mothers breast. I felt as if I were in two worlds, pinned to my chair with  
such bliss that it was almost unbearable. Time, went bye-bye. 
It was as if a big switch had been thrown and something inside of me 
had been activated. The energy was rolling and came from within. People commented 
an a "difference" I had. I had the feeling of having no begining and no end. 
Anyway, to express into words is difficult, but I hpe you can give me some 
steerage. The experience has subsided, and now I want to know what hit me. 
Blessings, 
Paul Joseph 
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 19:29:22 -0800 (PST) 
From: Blythe <merlinATnospampnn.com> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: RE: No harm taken.... 
Message-Id: <199712030329.TAA11567ATnospampnn.com> 
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At 07:32 PM 12/2/97 -0500, Mike S wrote: 
I'm also active on several lists dealing with 
>scientific and environmental issues, and the "clash of egos" 
>occurs frequently on them, with far more heat than light 
>being generated. It's sad when people are more attached to  
>*being* "right" than to *learning* what's right.
 
Years ago, when we'd walk out of co-op meetings reeling from the above 
mentioned behaviors, my husband called it peeing on trees: everyone wanting 
to do it last, best and highest. A sort of intellectual territoriality. It's 
no big deal anyway, only a snake's hand. 
blessings are, and frost and starlight tonight. 
Blythe 
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 21:34:01 -0600 (CST) 
From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org> 
To: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospamsynopsys.com> 
cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com 
Subject: Re: Janpa's curiosity 
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.971202212626.19890A-100000ATnospamwinc0> 
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
 
On Tue, 2 Dec 1997, Kurt Keutzer wrote:
 
> >yours truly studies Dzogchen in a Nyingma lineage. (HH Dudjom Rinpoche's) 
>  
> I guessed the Nyingma part but when you say HH Dudjom Rinpoche's - is that 
> your particular branch. Since he's passed away I think he's passed on 
> things to ... I know that HH Penor Rinpoche is formally the head of the sect.
 
yep. he is. 
 
> >> non-duality of ``rigpa'' or the empty clarity of mind.  
> > 
> >More like luminously clear. "empty' is a troublesome translation for 
> >sunyata. I've heard the translation 'limitless' to fit the word more.  
>  
> The word being translated is not shunyata (stong pa nyid) but shunya (stong 
> pa). Recently Choskyi Nyima Rinpoche visited the Bay Area and gave a series 
> of teachings. He repeatedly described rigpa as ``gsal stong'' - literally 
> clear and empty - his translator translated the phrase as such. In any 
> case, weren't you supposed to be a Newbie :-)
 
O but i am. about as newbie as they get. i just am sometimes a fast 
learner :). Thanks for the clarification. 
 
> That's why I used him as an example.
 
;)
 
> but if it came from tantra you would expect it to be shared in shaiva 
> tantra as well since there are so many other parallels. there is a real 
> departure in the two traditions, shaiva and buddhist tantra, on the issue 
> of secrecy and vows - at least as shaiva tantra is currently exposited.
 
hmm. What does shaiva tantra say as to the dangers of tantra? part of the 
reason for the vows & secrecy (a lot is in books tho) is to protect the 
curious only practioner from something that rewires the wetware and can be 
unnerving without guidance. 
 
When you're warmbooting the wetware OS you gotta be careful. that's my 
take on where they came from. 
 
> >maitri, (what does mangalam mean)>  
>  
> it's similar to tashidelek - which I expect your familiar with. 
> Auspiciousness! 
> 
 
Yes i am :)
 
Tashi Delek & since i'm signing off, Kahli Shuk :)
 
--Jam'pa mTsho'mo 
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 19:52:27 -0800 (PST) 
From: Blythe <merlinATnospampnn.com> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: upper versus lower/all chakras 
Message-Id: <199712030352.TAA12118ATnospampnn.com> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
 
> 
>At 07:20 PM 12/2/97 -0800, Tom wrote: 
>>>what is so amazing to me is that we profess kundalini but apparently many are 
>>>stuck in their lower chakras - found when we are truly open the energies flow 
>>>upward and open many areas of our brain for the power we are to have -sex is 
>>>great, but if we believe this is where it is then we are travelling by our 
>>>lower chakras only -   
> 
>>Let me assure you that after getting beaten out of my body by my old man when 
>>I was a kid and spending most of 40 years in my head, that "upper chakras" by  
>>themselves are not where it's at (even if they bring us useful things). 
>> 
>>How 'bout some balance. 
>>---- 
>>Surfing The Ecstatic Tsunami of Life & Love ~~~ Tom. 
> 
> Thanks, Tom. 
> 
> Like Tom, and for similar reasons, I've spent most of my life anywhere but 
>in my body. Since I've finally gotten those old dustbunnies cleaned up some, 
>and have begun to learn how to be grounded, I'm seeing that the more 
>powerfully clear I am in ALL expressions of my life, the more Deity is able 
>to work freely through and in me. I love being in  body/spirit. 
>Frosty starlight and blessings, 
>Blythe 
> 
> 
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 00:32:21 -0500 (EST) 
From: LH5110ATnospamaol.com 
To: Kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com 
cc: butterbean6ATnospamjuno.com 
Subject: Just A Thought to Share 
Message-ID: <971203003221_1484194684ATnospammrin58.mail.aol.com>
 
Kundalini / / /  Psychic / / /  Spiritual / / /  Guru / / /  
 
We call it by different names that which we are seeking and lose ourselves in 
these WORDS.   We use the computer to communicate with each other yet we have 
within ourselves a much greater computer/telephone/telegraph, etc.    If we 
stay away from the many confusing theories and teachings of others and go 
within and then outward we might find what we have been searching for has 
always been within us and within our reach.     The mind is the best 
computer, teletype, telephone and we can be anywhere in the universe by just 
projecting ourselves there.   If we start with loving ourselves and accepting 
ourselves we might find that we are already spiritual, our kundalini is open 
and we are all the "Great One" intended us to be.
 
If we use our inside computer, telephone, telegraph no one could ever tell us 
a lie or hide anything from each other.    The "bad" would be eliminated 
because people could not say one thing but think another.     Try it, you may 
find you like it. 
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 21:44:24 -0800 
From: TomWinans <tomwinansATnospamearthlink.net> 
To: Kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com 
Subject: Re: Just A Thought to Share 
Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971202214424.006cf8dcATnospammail.earthlink.net> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
 
Dear LH5110ATnospamaol.com,
 
>If we use our inside computer, telephone, telegraph no one could ever tell us 
>a lie or hide anything from each other.    The "bad" would be eliminated 
>because people could not say one thing but think another.     Try it, you may 
>find you like it.
 
I like it, I've thought many of the same things many times......The challenge 
is getting that inside telephone to work again.....so that we can have an 
etheric internet to go with the electronic one. 
---- 
Surfing The Ecstatic Tsunami of Life & Love ~~~ Tom. 
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 21:41:52 -0800 
From: ori^ <oriATnospameskimo.com> 
To: Kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: V Hands, aka The Spock mudra 
Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19971202214152.007cfba0ATnospammail.eskimo.com> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
 
Thought I'd share this stabilizing technique  
fresh from the etheric realms via my friend Lightdeer
 
V Hands, aka, The Spock mudra 
brought to you by Lightdeer's Magic Team
 
A technique to help you stabilize into your vastness 
For those congested energy/higher maintenance types of days
 
Holding both hands in front of you,  
Fingers pointing up 
Palms facing forward 
Thumbs away from rest of hand 
Separate fingers in the middle with 2 fingers on each  
   side together (the Spock mudra from Star Trek)
 
This opens a V to receive energies from your vastness. 
It stabilizes and opens your halo out to touch edges  
   to lightsphere around thru and within your physcial body
 
Breathe in-- and open 
Breathe out-- and receive
 
Allow the energies coming in to strengthen your hara and aura
 
To deepen the connection...send a line of light up from  
your omega (8 inches below the base of the spine)  
up into ur vastness that is up dimensionally
 
 instant energy 
 keep relaxing ur belly 
 
now to seal it....flip ur hands down so v is pointing down
 
____
 
I have to say folks... the impact was subtle, yet profound. 
I felt an instantaneous shifting and stabilizing of my energy.
 
And I found it interesting that my cat Flame had joined me and 
was not happy about me flipping my V hands to seal the work. 
I guess he wanted more energy to come in :) 
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 22:08:23 +0000 
From: jwaltersATnospamridgecrest.ca.us 
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com 
Subject: Hungry Kitty 
Message-Id: <199712030609.WAA24682ATnospamridgecrest.ca.us> 
 
Reading the posting on the "V" mudra and the cat's behavior reminded  
me of something interesting. Our kitten Mac comes running and loves  
to wrap himself around my feet anytime I'm doing Tai Chi or chi-gung.  
Mac ignores me the rest of the time :). Interestingly he has become  
huge at 7 months of age, bigger than most full-grown cats.
 
So I suppose that pets being attracted to energy is common for this  
group ?
 
James 
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 00:27:02 -0700 
From: jim.christophersonATnospamjuno.com (Jim R Christopherson) 
To: pmyersATnospammail.coin.missouri.edu 
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com 
Subject: Re: Intro from Pam 
Message-ID: <19971203.004337.10078.0.jim.christophersonATnospamjuno.com>
 
Thank you Pam and Athena for posting what you did today. 
 
Like each of you, I am not knowledgeable in all of the Hindu names and 
the technical blah blah blah that happens so much here. I am, however, 
familiar with Kundalini, having experienced it many times, both gently 
and forcefully in what people in here call kriyas.
 
Your posts to me were a breath of fresh air to me in this chamber where 
often times the air gets foul with what I call petty squabbling and *I 
know more than you do* posts. I am here to learn about being happy and 
living and loving life to the fullest. I am here to learn how to 
surrender to the energy which is my life force (or my soul as I like to 
call it) I want to achieve my life's purpose, not just talk about it. I 
believe that my life's purpose can be expressed only through n alignment 
of my mind, body and spirit...
 
I am tired of just getting by and going through the motions of an 
existence. I am tired of not meeting or knowing many people who do not 
understand what I talk about.  I joined this group just a couple of weeks 
ago with the hope of meeting people who were sincere and genuine and 
could speak my language.
 
I mostly enjoy and read the posts that talk in plain English about 
everyday events. For me, I quickly delete the long posts with all of the 
technical jargon. Hopefully, they mean something to others. 
 
I don't know many things. I do not have all the big words, but I do know 
how to love. I do know how to discern truth for me. One of the biggest 
lessons that turned my life around is when I realized that I do not have 
any answers for anyone but me. I look for the truth in those posts where 
people are sharing what is true and real for them, not those where I feel 
people are pontificating.
 
I am glad that there is room and freedom for each person in here to learn 
or not learn whatever it is that they are seeking.
 
Namaste,
 
Jim 
======= 
On Dec 2, Athena <starwindATnospamgte.net> wrote
 
I just suscribed today, and am wondering if I am on the right list....
 
I have NOT studied Eastern mystecism, beyond a few popular books...
 
I have not done YOGA... beyond a few months, as exersise , recommended 
by my chiropractor, when I was getting over an automobile accident that 
re-injured my spine...
 
I < think >  I know what kundilini is, defined it thus to a student of 
mine who was asking me about *weird* energy... : 
  
** 
>From a western mysical perspective, as I understand it, it is the 
life-force/spirit-essence of our beingness... part of is is represented 
by the chi < the part that keeps ya alive and going > the rest is the 
*coiled serpent* at the base of your spine... which peacefully sleeps, 
until awakened.
 
<snip>
 
Since I am not schooled in the Eastern traditions, does that mean I have 
no *kundilini * ???
 
.... that it will not awaken...
 
.... that I cannot attain Enlightenment ???
 
< nor can the other several Billion alive on the planet today, who are 
*not* schooled in the Eastern Tradition ... but are experiencing *weird* 
energy and need direction > ???????
 
Would someone kindly point me to a list where I can learn more about 
this ??? That refer to books written about this subject by people that 
are at least pronouncable to the western toungue ??? 
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On Tue, 2 Dec 1997 18:31:36 -0600 (CST) Pam Myers 
<pmyersATnospammail.coin.missouri.edu> writes: 
Hi all,
 
I have just been on this list a day or two. Finding it interesting but 
must say I'm not so well versed in Eastern religions and some here. 
  
I started Hatha Yoga 25 years ago (did not practice  to well through 
pregnancies mind you :) ) and have been doing Reiki for several months.
 
Have had some signs of Kundalini rising I believe and was having panic 
attacks but once I realized what was happening and breathed through the 
blockage in my chest --it was much better. I also employed the services 
of a graduate of the Barbara Brennan School of Healing. They do various 
techniques with the aura--that really helped me! 
 
I have had some feeling of energy flowing up the spine and shakes like 
there is an earthquake but it has been manageable. 
 
I just started a program at the School of Metaphysics. 
 
Well that is my story :) 
 
Pam 
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