1997/11/30 21:56
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #776
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 776
Today's Topics:
RE: Urddhvareta/menopause [ "Rick Puravs" <ric51ATnospamgeorge.lhi.net ]
Re: Defending Dieter (was Mini or Ma [ Gloria <glorybeATnospamintrepid.net> ]
Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #771 [ The.Lesser.HalfATnospamworldnet.att.net ]
Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #771 [ M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net> ]
Re: Ten bodies system of numerology [ M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net> ]
The truth will out [ Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu> ]
RE: Urddhvareta/menopause [ Blythe <merlinATnospampnn.com> ]
Re: The truth will out [ M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net> ]
Re: The truth will out [ "Jason S. White" <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch ]
Re: Defending Dieter (was Mini or Ma [ "Jason S. White" <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch ]
Re: The truth will out [ freda <fredaATnospamblarg.net> ]
Re: The truth will out [ Teresa <TGarlandATnospamVIPMail.com> ]
Re: The truth will out [ Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu> ]
Re: The truth will out [ dante rosati <danteATnospampop.interport.n ]
Re: The truth will out [ Am <heidiATnospamadan.kingston.net> ]
Re: The truth will out [ Nancy <NancyATnospamwtp.net> ]
Re: The truth will out (Am) [ dante rosati <danteATnospampop.interport.n ]
Re: The truth will out [ "F. Drew " <leydaATnospamvalunet.com> ]
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 11:26:54 -0500
From: "Rick Puravs" <ric51ATnospamgeorge.lhi.net>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: RE: Urddhvareta/menopause
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Dieter wrote....
"Also, note that the second chakra has 6 propensities - disdain, stupor,
over-indulgence, distrust, fear of annihilation, pitilessness. The
propensities (vrtiis in sanskrit) of over-indulgence and fear of
annihilation would be related to sexual urges and imbalance in this area
causes imbalance in relation to other propensities and imbalance in human
expression (eg distrust and lack of mercy)."
These propensities are all negative. Surely the chakras, being sacred and all,
must have positive propensities as well. Creativity and increased refinement
in the case of this chakra. I'm sure somebody a bit more familiar with these
systems can list more positive qualities. Besides isn't part of the reason for
working with a chakra to overcome the negative aspects associated with it?
Don't want to get too far out on the duality limb here, as unification would seem to be more the goal. And as part of this goal, the bringing together of
the male and the female in bliss and harmony is such a great symbol of the
work to be accomplished.
Rick
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 12:45:01 -0500
From: Gloria <glorybeATnospamintrepid.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Defending Dieter (was Mini or Maxi)
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At 04:06 PM 11/29/97 -0500, you wrote:
>In a message dated 97-11-29 15:26:14 EST, Anita writes:
>
><< just have to admit that I have, temporarily at least,
> put you in the "Men Who Think Women Are Icky" category. >>
>
>Please let Dieter out of this box. I am a woman who has been generously
>helped by very kind and well thought out private emails from Dieter, who
>would never have wasted his time had he thought I was "icky." It hurts me
>everytime I read attack thoughts coming from list members to each other. We
>are dicussing very big and controversial issues on this list, and active
>debate is wonderful. But remember, we are debating the concepts and
>opinions, not individual personalities or circumstances.
>
>The subject of sex is always such a powderkeg for discussion anyway,
>especially since kundalini movement can affect it so dramatically. One of
>the side effects when I had my spontaneous kundalini activation was that my
>sex drive shut down cold for awhile. Very, very scary. But guess who got me
>through it? People on this list. I got very thoughtful and loving help from
>a woman who is a frequent target for criticism on this list and who would
>probably scare the feces out of me if I ran into her on the sidewalk, one
>Angelique, AKA Serpent. And guess who else offered elegant and sage advice
>to help me to understanding? Gloria, AKA Church Lady.
>
>We can all help each other while never telling another person he or she is
>wrong. We are so fortunate.
>
>Peg
>
May I simply say Amen to this?? As much as I appreciate the opportunity to
read and learn from this list, it is rather intimidating to even think of
posting when I see people turn their considerable wisdom and knowledge into
weapons..on occasion...rarely...Yikes, its happening NOW, as we speak...
>
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 17:44:54 GMT
From: The.Lesser.HalfATnospamworldnet.att.net
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #771
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On Sat, 29 Nov 97 15:56:25 +0000, you wrote:
>-----Original Message-----
From: freda [SMTP:fredaATnospamblarg.net]
oh well, thats foreplay......... and that is a natural
funtion is it not?
Awakening after 28 yrs. of marriage. I asked my wife to teach me how
to make love to her. Now her 3 second sneezes seem to last until the
next.
An American male of European extraction.
"When single shines the triple sun, what was sundererd and undone. Shall
be whole, the two made one. By gelfling hand or else by none. "
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 10:27:47 -0800 (PST)
From: M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net>
To: sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #771
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At 05:44 PM 11/30/97 GMT, The.Lesser.HalfATnospamworldnet.att.net wrote:
>
>Awakening after 28 yrs. of marriage. I asked my wife to teach me how
>to make love to her. Now her 3 second sneezes seem to last until the
>next.
>
>An American male of European extraction.
>
>
This could be bigger than Promise Keepers! (and maybe should be!!) Get it
on Oprah and the Six O'Clock news. You owe to the species...!!
M
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 10:32:24 -0800 (PST)
From: M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net>
To: ori^ <oriATnospameskimo.com>
Cc: Kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Ten bodies system of numerology
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ori^,
thank you. this really seemed right on when I did it. I am not sure how to
use the information other than as reinforcement of my own 'suspicions'.
Were I less self-aware it would have added clarity and that is remarkable too.
M
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 09:25:01 -1000
From: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: The truth will out
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Dear amckeon: and List members:
Thank you for your thoughtful posts about Dieter. I guess you saw a side
of him I had been sensing for a while but never put my finger on it.
There are so many males who are this way on the planet and all I can think
is that they are doomed and partially extinct with this attitude. But if
you look at the whole planet you see this same attitude in so many
cultures where the male cannot honestly deal with his feminine.. and the
feminine is "icky"... she is uncultured, she is wild and free, she does
not conform to boundaries, she smells, she is loose and flying in the
wind, she is a screaming thing, she is a bleeding thing, she is so many
uncontrollable things.. to men like that.. and they have constructed
through religious dogma and rational constructs all kinds of reasons why
they do not need women... do not need to acknowledge their own feminine
and can get along without HER the Goddess, very well!
Fortunately there are many wonderful men to whom the Goddess is worshipful
and creative and freeing... I have often wondered about the increasing
numbers of transvestites and gay men... and asked whether it is that they
are pushing the polarity too far in the other direction to balance what to
them is a painful rejection of the exotic Goddess in our culture.
In any case. I salute your courage and insight amckeon.
I loved your tale of Thanksgiving...
I had the same thing happen to me at a family reunion when I first got
shakitpat...
you say:>>>Something in me snapped, and a tumble of words spewed forth
from my
mouth that I seemed to have no control over, like Tourette's Syndrome or
something. Perhaps it was truth demanding to be heard. There was a
pressure
and a heat, but not the uncomfortable, fiery anger that I have felt in the
past. Well, Mom was shocked, taken aback, etc. I could tell she was hurt.
I
was not sorry for telling the truth, but I was sorry for my inability to
express myself better.>>
I snapped at my mother exactly likethis.. as she was dumping her stuff on
me.. constant nagging about why was I not different and doing things her
way. Something came out of my heart.. a force I cannot describe it.. and
it literlly smacked her right in the chest...I yelled so loud "STOP THAT"
and I had never felt so much power. I thought it was my guru.. I
had no clue.. but it was her darkness trying to get into me and my energy
just came out.. like asword I suppose and shoved it back into her. She
shuddered from head to toe like in a sort of exorcism...YES! It was wild
and all in the back of our car! She is a sort that did not openly
get revenge on me then, but she has been getting it through my other
family members ever since... but she is softening now... But she has never
had the same power over me since.. phew the karmic debts we have to pay!
Well Thanks for sharing this with us.. and I have this incident in my book
to show some of the crazy things that happen after awakening.!
Ruth
*****
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 11:28:01 -0800 (PST)
From: Blythe <merlinATnospampnn.com>
To: Dieter Dambiec <d.dambiecATnospamstudent.canberra.edu.au>
Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: RE: Urddhvareta/menopause
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Thanks for expanding on your words, Dieter. It sounds as if drinking enough
water would be important, also, as dehydration would effect the lymphatic
system. Most people don't drink enough water. What's your take on that?
Blythe
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 12:19:49 -0800 (PST)
From: M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net>
To: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: The truth will out
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At 09:25 AM 11/30/97 -1000, Ruth Trimble wrote:
>But if
>you look at the whole planet you see this same attitude in so many
>cultures where the male cannot honestly deal with his feminine.. and the
>feminine is "icky"... she is uncultured, she is wild and free, she does
>not conform to boundaries, she smells, she is loose and flying in the
>wind, she is a screaming thing, she is a bleeding thing, she is so many
>uncontrollable things.. to men like that.. and they have constructed
>through religious dogma and rational constructs all kinds of reasons why
>they do not need women... do not need to acknowledge their own feminine
>and can get along without HER the Goddess, very well!
Or, they "put her in a pumpkin shell and there they keep her very well".
This rhyme is centuries old and the syndrome is older still.
Marvelous depictons of this dynamic in the book by J. Rhys and film Wide
Sargasso Sea. Individually it is about what drove Jane Eyre's >Mrs.<
Rochester mad, but on the grander scale it is just what you describe.
> I have often wondered about the increasing
>numbers of transvestites and gay men... and asked whether it is that they
>are pushing the polarity too far in the other direction to balance what to
>them is a painful rejection of the exotic Goddess in our culture.
I've wondered this too. Dennis Rodman is a particularly powerful
symbol/icon who must make the macho very uncomfortable. SO0ooo perfect for
our times!!
Remember this from my NDE traits list:
>>
>>6. our personalities balance out, fewer fears, men become more caring,
>>women more assertive
>>
>I loved your tale of Thanksgiving...
>I had the same thing happen to me at a family reunion
I remembered your story and saw the similarities but I did not remember who
wrote it. Thanks for reminding me. I was glad to know my memory was not
too off.
Happy Thanksgiving to All,
M
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 22:48:35 +0100
From: "Jason S. White" <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch>
To: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: The truth will out
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Ruth Trimble wrote:
>
> Dear amckeon: and List members:
> Thank you for your thoughtful posts about Dieter. I guess you saw a side
> of him I had been sensing for a while but never put my finger on it.
> There are so many males who are this way on the planet and all I can think
> is that they are doomed and partially extinct with this attitude. But if
> you look at the whole planet you see this same attitude in so many
> cultures where the male cannot honestly deal with his feminine.. and the
> feminine is "icky"... she is uncultured, she is wild and free, she does
> not conform to boundaries, she smells, she is loose and flying in the
> wind, she is a screaming thing, she is a bleeding thing, she is so many
> uncontrollable things.. to men like that.. and they have constructed
> through religious dogma and rational constructs all kinds of reasons why
> they do not need women... do not need to acknowledge their own feminine
> and can get along without HER the Goddess, very well!
This is one side of the coin. The other side has the men glorifying themselves
and seeing the weaknesses and sicknesses of the women on the planet. It is a
rich legacy that we can learn from and find the better way.
> Fortunately there are many wonderful men to whom the Goddess is worshipful
> and creative and freeing... I have often wondered about the increasing
> numbers of transvestites and gay men... and asked whether it is that they
> are pushing the polarity too far in the other direction to balance what to
> them is a painful rejection of the exotic Goddess in our culture.
Perhaps this is a shadowy manifestation of men's sickness. What would
be the same for women's sickness?
However, my intent is not to invoke the shadow or point fingers.
It is only through sickness that there can be healing. Perhaps the
potential for healing is a force of attraction between men and women.
But in order for healing to take place we must be prepared to admit a
sickness in ourselves. And we have to love the other through their
sickness. My intent is towards that alone.
Only then do we become Gods and Goddesses worthy of worship.
Healing love to all women and men on the planet.
Jason.
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 22:15:51 +0100
From: "Jason S. White" <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch>
To: Gloria <glorybeATnospamintrepid.net>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Defending Dieter (was Mini or Maxi)
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Peg wrote:
> >We can all help each other while never telling another person he or she is
> >wrong. We are so fortunate.
> >
Gloria wrote:
>
> May I simply say Amen to this?? As much as I appreciate the opportunity to
> read and learn from this list, it is rather intimidating to even think of
> posting when I see people turn their considerable wisdom and knowledge into
> weapons..on occasion...rarely...Yikes, its happening NOW, as we speak...
>
Amen.
Where there is lightness, there is darkness.
That is real.
Your lightness can never be consumed by darkness.
Don't be afraid.
Jason.
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 14:00:09 -0800
From: freda <fredaATnospamblarg.net>
To: M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net>
CC: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: The truth will out
Message-ID: <3481E1E9.25ACATnospamblarg.net>
Enough of judgeing "DD" you are comming across as one of those who think
men are "icky". DD is not all men and all men are not DD. Give it a
rest.
I appriciate the dialog, but I would rather be informed without having
to read the slamming of fellow members.
--
Freda ~ BE-IS-AM
http://www.blarg.net/~freda/01rg/hm/frhm.htm
ICQ # 4323543
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 17:40:25 -0500
From: Teresa <TGarlandATnospamVIPMail.com>
To: fredaATnospamblarg.net
CC: M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net>, Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>,
kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: The truth will out
Message-ID: <3481EB58.D3412493ATnospamVIPMail.com>
Here, here. There is must too much negative energy being spent on this.
Please, let's just get back to the topic of kundalini.
Teresa
freda wrote:
> Enough of judgeing "DD" you are comming across as one of those who think
> men are "icky". DD is not all men and all men are not DD. Give it a
> rest.
> I appriciate the dialog, but I would rather be informed without having
> to read the slamming of fellow members.
> --
> Freda ~ BE-IS-AM
> http://www.blarg.net/~freda/01rg/hm/frhm.htm
> ICQ # 4323543
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 13:31:27 -1000
From: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
To: "Jason S. White" <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch>
cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: The truth will out
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Hi Jason:
Loved your thoughtful post. I agree it is not all male stuff that is off.
We women have been too busy holding you all up and enabling.. I think that
has to end. We have to cut the helping cords and say... "Lud let them help
themselves, they have all we have after all." This I have done recently
and have found the man that was hidden because I was rescuing too much. It
is really now wonderful to see that men can make it on their own and we
can now truly co-create with them instead of having to prop them up all
the time in the emotion and heart department! This is progress and
freedom for all. Roll on the future and cocreation! Ruth
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 18:33:15 -0500
From: dante rosati <danteATnospampop.interport.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: The truth will out
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reasons why some men can't (or wont) deal with women:
1) pussycats have claws, sharp ones, and they >love< to use them. The level
upon which they are used, and the way they are wielded, vary from case to
case. The only thing you can be sure of is that they're there, just waiting
to come out. Often a woman does not really bring them out until a couple of
months into a relationship. Women do not take their claws out for male
friends, but if the man expresses sexual interest or makes advances, they
may come out like a switchblade. On the other hand, what would a pussycat
be without her claws? Alot less magnificent, and thats for sure. :-)
2)many women are just as sexually screwed up as men, just in a different
way. It takes two to make a pathological social construct, and the current
shadow bargain between a man who wants sex "from" a woman, and a women who
"gives" a man what he wants in return for something else (money, security,
fixing things around the house), needs two willing participants. Its so sad
that the most beautiful thing in life has been turned into just another
commodity by so many.
many women are the sweetest sweethearts in the world as a friend, but once
the sex thing starts - look out! Claws and game playing deluxe! I think its
part of the reason why some men opt for gayness.
I know women who freely admit that deliberately >not< having sex with a man
is a better way to control him. Nasty stuff. Of course alot of men are no
better. At least for men sex is usually its own end, not a means to other
ends as it is for some women.
Now, dont flame me, I know not all women are like this all the time. I know
some women who are never like this, but there are >many< who are. Women
need healing too, and >not< just from the abuse they've "suffered" from us
nasty brutes. Women have grown their own sexual pathology that needs to be
addressed.
how should it be instead? I repeat the quote from the Tantras:
"The man sees the woman as a goddess,
the woman sees the man as a god.
By uniting the diamond septer and the lotus
they should make offerings to each other.
There is no worship beyond this."
Unfortunetly, some women like the first sentence, but they dont want to
balance it with the second!
Men get judged harshly sometimes in a common scenario: The woman plays sex
games behind closed doors: (withholding sex to aid in manipulation, etx.)
this is not visible to the outside world. The man (if he is a man) fights
back by going elsewhere. Eventually he gets caught. The women broadcasts
this news far and wide, inviting sympathy from anyone who cares to listen
to her tale of woe at the hands of the unfaithful beast she lives with. You
see how it can go, but remember it always takes two to play this sort of
game.
What can men do to try to break out of these cycles?
- Chasing women is a fool's errand. You give away your power and you're
just begging for the woman to use it against you. Instead, a man must
become centered in himself and make himself into someone that a women would
want to be with. Then you let them come to you. :-) This is from the
start is a different dynamic because it does not start off with the man
wanting something "from" the woman.
- men often feel a sort of desparate need to have sex with a woman because
women are the bearers of beauty, sweetness and happiness. While it is true
that these things must be found within one'sself, for a man, these things
also come through women. The confusion is thinking that one must have
physical sex with a woman in order to bask in her sweetness. So, one can
have a beautiful friendship with a women involving no physical contact, and
still be experiencing the kind of bliss usually considered to be the result
of physical sex. What is the result of this kind of interaction? The woman
no longer has the temptation to use your desire for her as a manipulation
tool, not because you feel no desire for her, but because you >feel no
desperation< . Seeing her is having sex, sitting with her is having sex,
speaking to her is having sex. One feels one's sexual desire for her, but
at the same time is perfectly satisfied with what is, after all, the
energetic sexual exchange that is always going on.
Those focused on the material plane of course cannot experience this. That
is why there are so many men whose basic attitude is (and I quote
something a ladyfriend of mine told me a guy said to her):
"If we're not going to be doing it, theres no point in even talking" (i.e.
continuing the friendship).
Now some women, upon understanding that a man may experience bliss and bask
in her sweetness without ever touching her, might become alarmed and feel
like they are being used. But now, the only way they can stop it is to
sever all contact with you. If they see you at all, speak to you, spend
time with you, it is as if they were having sex with you. Should this
bother them? Of course not, silly, its the way things are supposed to be -
open and free energy exchange between the sexes based on love and mutual
respect , not on power struggles and game playing. You share your feminine
energy with me, I share my masculine energy with you. outcome: mutual
bliss. Do we both feel the desire to make it physical, with all the
complications that seem to go along with it? maybe, maybe not. but either
way is a.o.k.
sex is a communion of two who love each other, but it is also a yin- yang
energy exchange. Remember that the spirits communing are not inherently
male or female, so ultimately that communion is not based on sexual energy
exchange. However, the finite personalities >are< male and female, and they
interact this way as naturally and inevitably as the sun rising and
setting.
So, women are the antithesis of "icky", but sometimes their behavior as
women (ie bearers of female sexual energy) >is< "icky". Everyone needs to
wake up so that all the Buddhas and Buddettes can play freely in the Buddha
fields together and experience mutual bliss.
dante
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 21:28:14 -0500
From: Am <heidiATnospamadan.kingston.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: The truth will out
Message-Id: <199712010228.VAA30177ATnospamadan.kingston.net>
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> The man (if he is a man) fights >back by going elsewhere.
>dante
THAT'S a man in your eyes? That tells me everything I didn't need to know
about ya.
I wasn't going to comment on this topic because some things should not be
touched with the proverbial pole if they are ridiculous enough. These
backbitings from people who profess to be ENLIGHTENED?
Have we had our Kundalini today? Yes, we have had no Kundalini? ;););)
Live in the LIGHT,
Am
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 18:58:42 +0000
From: Nancy <NancyATnospamwtp.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
CC: dante rosati <danteATnospampop.interport.net>
Subject: Re: The truth will out
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dante rosati wrote:
> ...its the way things are supposed to be -
> open and free energy exchange between the sexes based on love and mutual
> respect , not on power struggles and game playing. You share your feminine
> energy with me, I share my masculine energy with you. outcome: mutual
> bliss. Do we both feel the desire to make it physical, with all the
> complications that seem to go along with it? maybe, maybe not. but either
> way is a.o.k.
>
> sex is a communion of two who love each other, but it is also a yin- yang
> energy exchange. Remember that the spirits communing are not inherently
> male or female, so ultimately that communion is not based on sexual energy
> exchange. However, the finite personalities >are< male and female, and they
> interact this way as naturally and inevitably as the sun rising and
> setting.
I have been dismayed with this thread of sex talk until I read your
thoughtful reply.
The way I see it, it's not about prolonged sex, techniques or number or
length of orgasims. It's about merging energies as you have discribed so
beautifully, Dante.
I have absolutely no desire to engage in physical sex without a
spiritual union. That kind of sex is just masterbating with a partner.
I want union, integration. I desire the physical to reflect my spirit. I
long to discover the completeness which is me through the soul of
another. It is an energy exchange and merging which produces a holy
third--the you and me which is us.
Until I have that kind of potential with a partner, I'd rather sleep
alone.
Nancy
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 22:47:35 -0500
From: dante rosati <danteATnospampop.interport.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: The truth will out (Am)
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Am writes:
>> The man (if he is a man) fights >back by going elsewhere.
>
>>dante
>
>
>THAT'S a man in your eyes? That tells me everything I didn't need to know
>about ya.
>
lets not forget that sex energy is kundalini, and as they say, if you play
with fire, ya gonna get burned. Power games masqurading as sex games are
"playing" (in a negative sense) with kundalini.
What I should have said was "The man (if he is a man) refuses to play a
power game and finds someone else who wants to be close to him." The worst
thing you can do is try to talk someone into wanting you, or trying to
bargin with them or coerce them. Its either happening or it aint. All we
need to do is be with those with which it >is< happening. Not trying to
make square pegs fit into round holes.
>I wasn't going to comment on this topic because some things should not be
>touched with the proverbial pole if they are ridiculous enough. These
>backbitings from people who profess to be ENLIGHTENED?
>
interesting that you think the topic of sexuality is ridiculous and not to
be touched with a ten foot pole. I guess that tells me everything I don't
need to know about you. :-)
In my not always so humble opinion, sexuality is easily one of the most
powerful manifestations of kundalini. As such it cannot be explored enough,
either conceptually or experientially. The one thing it should >not< be is
used, objectified, for ulterior motives. I gave one such example of how
this can happen. If it pushed your buttons, then take a look in the mirror,
dont go hissin' and spittin' at me!
dante
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 23:15:57 -0800
From: "F. Drew " <leydaATnospamvalunet.com>
To: <NancyATnospamwtp.net>, <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Cc: "dante rosati" <danteATnospampop.interport.net>
Subject: Re: The truth will out
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From: Nancy <NancyATnospamwtp.net>
>I want union, integration. I desire the physical to reflect my spirit. I
>long to discover the completeness which is me through the soul of
>another. It is an energy exchange and merging which produces a holy
>third--the you and me which is us.
>Until I have that kind of potential with a partner, I'd rather sleep
>alone.
>Nancy
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