1997/11/29 08:30
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #773
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 773
Today's Topics:
Re: Kundalini emergence...or what? ( [ "Rick Puravs" <ric51ATnospamgeorge.lhi.net ]
Re: The thinker feels [ Blythe <merlinATnospampnn.com> ]
Re: HRTZEN: Cuanto Cuesta? [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
re: transcendent experience [ Blythe <merlinATnospampnn.com> ]
Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #771 [ freda <fredaATnospamblarg.net> ]
struggle (fwd) [ Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu> ]
Mini or Maxi -take ya pick! [ Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu> ]
Re: Multi-orgasmic [ "Jason S. White" <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch ]
Re: who? [ "Jason S. White" <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch ]
Ten bodies system of numerology [ ori^ <oriATnospameskimo.com> ]
Re: The thinker feels [ HeleniliusATnospamaol.com ]
Re: *>transcendent experience<* was: [ HeleniliusATnospamaol.com ]
Re: Mini or Maxi -take ya pick! [ freda <fredaATnospamblarg.net> ]
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 19:10:14 -0500
From: "Rick Puravs" <ric51ATnospamgeorge.lhi.net>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Kundalini emergence...or what? (a newbie post)
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Delirium wrote...
>The energy moving through me in waves was not sexual per se but it was
>as though I was having an orgasmic experience of some sort...with the
>universe. That is not adequate to explain and describe what I
>felt/didn't feel...it was ecstatic, mystical...a oneness...those words
>are not enough.
Having been working with Mantak Chia's book "The Multi-Orgasmic Man", I
had just sent a friend this quote about 5 minutes before reading Delirium's
letter. ....
"If you are practicing (with a partner), you may also feel your sexual
energy circulate through her and her sexual energy circulate through you.
Eventually you may feel as if the physical boundaries between the two of you
dissolve. Many men
have experienced this oneness with a partner, or even a feeling of oneness
with the
universe, during extraordinarily intimate lovemaking. With Sexual Kung Fu,
you will
learn how to return to this place regularly with your partner and even by
yourself.
This kind of sexual union with another person and between yourself and the
universe can actually result in a transformation of consciousness. It is for
this reason that sexuality in the East has often been seen as part of the
spiritual path,
and not as something opposed to it."
Mantak Chia....from "The Multi-Orgasmic Man"
......and while i was doing the copy and paste to get that from another
letter, i
looked over at the TV (sound turned off) and there is a Chia Pet commercial
on.....(whoa....good thing this is a long weekend)......multiple
synchronicity
here....which i was getting to.....as the next letter i read was Ruth's on
"The
Multi-Orgasmic Man", where she wrote.....
. On my
>other list we have expounded the virtues of the multi-orgasmic male who
>never has to shed semen.. and I feel sure that the Hindus are taught this
>from early years.
>The multi-orgasmic male does not need to shed a single drop of semen yet
>he can still have orgasms, as many has he chooses and his partner is
>equally orgasmic. I cannot think of a better way to bond with someone of
>the opposite sex than that!
Which brings me to Ruth's other letter from a few days ago on Urddhvareta,
where she wrote.....
"Urddhvareta (please correct my spelling Hindi speakers) is the energy I
experienced coming up from the sexual organs through the belly and up
through the body. As it rose up, it bestowed intense orgasmic delight."
This is similar to what i am experiencing while working with this Mantak
Chia
book.....even though i am consciously tring to circulate the energy by
sending
it up my spine, i am getting rather intense and somewhat sexual feelings of
energy moving up through the belly, that is up the front of my body....
All of this may be digressing somewhat from Delirium's original post.....so
i do wish to say that it was a great description, so good that i could
almost feel
it myself, sitting here in my semi-glowing synchronous state. Welcome to the
list Delirium.
Rick
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 19:00:40 -0800 (PST)
From: Blythe <merlinATnospampnn.com>
To: Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin.umich.edu>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: The thinker feels
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At 03:25 PM 11/28/97 -0500, you wrote:
>
> I do the same. Do any of you feel a "hardness" around your heart
>area when you stop feelin', or is it just My imagination?
> Dan
>
Prior to a workshop I did with Spirit Bradley on Dancing the Chakras,
anytime I felt too much, my heart would ache and feel as if it might burst.
During the workshop, heart began to 'flow', is how it feels. No more ache,
much more love, less negative-seeming emotion.
B
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 19:10:10 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: madammumATnospamptialaska.net
CC: Listening-lATnospamzrz.Tu-Berlin.DE`, genius-lATnospammylist.net,
heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: HRTZEN: Cuanto Cuesta?
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valerian wrote:
>
> herein lies a real moral & spiritual dilemma for me at this moment, with
> which I might humbly ask guidance from those more elevated & experienced
> souls whose discourses are an endless source of insight, as well as
> amusement, within my partial quantum continuum.
> i wish to remain removed from that cataclymic abyss where fire & light
> make shadows upon the screens of fadied memories & cause confusion &
> inner turmoils, (as well as bliss, so they say).
> but, with God(s) as my witness, there is a pithy lack of depth to
> reverential encounters without the shrouds of mystery which surround the
> icons of prepetual *awe*.
> so, to be totally removed & impervious to one's senses in thwarted
> attempts to psycho-analyze & thusly grasp those depths of meaning
> intellectually (if indeed they be manifest in some variant flights of
> fancy) is to take armour against the very core of the samesaid
> *meaning*, because they exist on different planes of experience
> entirely, like the observer & the observed, granted.
> with insight & discipline to graduate this passion from the lowest
> *sex* chakra, through the heart, & great warmth & empathy from the
> throat & communications, where do you go from here?
Gloria:
I'm not sure that I have your question, but it seems that you are
asking what happens after mastering the spiritual dance from the sex
chakra, solar plexus to the heart, what then? Is this correct?
The reason for making the heart center your first major goal is because
it will bring you face to face with your higher self, Christ self, or
oversoul, however you perceive it. And, in making this direct awareness
because of the now automatic teaching from the Holy Spirit, you can move
nicely into the throat chakra, third eye and eventually crown area.
Remember none of them open and simply move on to the next although some
experience it this way, for many, it is kind of a cycle of movement. The
thing is that those who open the third eye and are still stationed out
of the solar plexus suddenly find themselves very caught up in psychic
energy. Psychic energy is not a high vibration, it usually connects into
the desire body of an other person along with accessing information from
that person what he or she really wants to happen, these folks also
become very sensitive to the environment as well as world or mass mind.
This can be hard to break free of, especially if one also gets caught up
in the tempation of money that can come with these lower gifts. How do
you by pass this?
You enter with security into the heart center, when the third eye
opens, instead of finding yourself connected into the world frequency so
much, you find yourself connected into Divine Will. That is what God
sees for the planet, his/her vision of potential. This same third eye
energy will take you beyond and into working for manking. This then
really is a different path, one that only takes you farther and farther
into that direct experience with God. The word love means one thing to
one working from the solar plexus...even with advanced sight through the
third eye, when the person is heart centered, love is entirely
different. It is detached, impersonal, yet selfless and will to
sacrifice, but the hitch here is ...the love quality manifests from the
love of the Divine for humanity, instead of the personal thought, ideas,
and manipulation that so often comes from personal love.
Valerian continues:
> this passion seen as a 'journey' will only remain valid & self-generated
> when one can give it up in sacrifice entirely to God, unconditionally as
> pure & untainted devotion, without reading personal meaninggs & skewered
> misconstructions from [the *other* person] tangled in the flawed web of
> the mortal psyche as well as onesSelf. in other words 'Love is a rose,
> but ya better not pick it...' and so on.
> my question is - is all this really neccessary? am i describing typical
> human inter-relations, or are these the idealized ramblings of a recluse
> finding the *light* in very odd places recently?
> thank you in advance for any input.
> no, this is not a 'generated philosophical query' from some bot, i
> actually have a void & genuine interest for any input on this remarkable
> phenomena at the time...
> ;)
> --
> *we now return you to your regularly scheduled programs...*
> http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/7982/index.html
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at:
http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/
&
http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/
Hope you enjoy them!
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 19:30:04 -0800 (PST)
From: Blythe <merlinATnospampnn.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: re: transcendent experience
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>At 12:58 PM 11/28/97 -0800, you wrote:
>
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>>I am just now reading PMH Atwater's Beyond the Light: What isn't being said
>>about near-death esperience. She puts NDE into four categories, one is the
>>NDE-like experience...a gentle version, without illness, trauma, etc.
>>Basically an OBE type experience that is transcendent. She goes on to
>>describe 7 traits of people who have had any of these types of experiences.
>>They are:
>>
>> 1. we depersonalize love, we love without attachments or
>>conditions, this is confusing to those who were 'specia' to us before the
event
>>
>> 2. boundaries, rules and limits seem irrelevant, the usual cautions
>>and abilities of discernment fade
>>
>> 3. the past and future seem irrelevant, we look to the distance to
>>find memories and don't look directly at anyone or anything
>>
>> 4. our sensitivities enhance and expand (electrical ones too),
>>intuition increases, moves toward the psychic
>>
>> 5. we are less attached to the physical reality and it can take a
>>long time before we re-establish our body's importance and relevance
>>
>> 6. our personalities balance out, fewer fears, men become more
>>caring, women more assertive
>>
>> 7. we have difficulty communicating because we think so abstractly
>>and hear a "different drummer"
>>
>>
>
>Thanks, M. It does help to hear such a list.
>Blythe
>
>
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 20:29:26 -0800
From: freda <fredaATnospamblarg.net>
To: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
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Ruth, You write:
> I would suggest to the males on this list, and I am sure other
>women would agree with me, that if you are not operating in this mode,
>then you are wasting your energies and you and your partner are being
>short changed in the ecstacy department by hours.. and hours...! AND >those Goddesses who put up with your 3 second orgasms are to be pitied!
Speaking as a woman,
I have had some of the most amazing experiences as a bi-product of the
so called "3 second" orgasm. Don't pitty that which you don't
understand. Why do you place orgasm in a time frame. What does time have
to do with it? Why should I wait for hours and hours in order to raise
my energy level? If the goal is a shift in consciousness, this seems
like a waste of time and energy to me, However, if you are intersted in
"foreplay" (i.e. the land of the hula which could be called foreplay in
a grass skirt!) then I suppose that even the wicked ol semen sometimes
might spill, oh well, thats foreplay......... and that is a natural
funtion is it not?
I agree with D.D.
>Frankly, sex is not a big deal - the inner motives for our actions is >what counts.
--
Freda ~ BE-IS-AM
http://www.blarg.net/~freda/01rg/hm/frhm.htm
http://www.blarg.net/~freda/01a/mnf/mrite.htm
ICQ # 4323543
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 23:20:18 -1000
From: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
To: LightWork-L email list <LIGHTWORK-LATnospamMB.PROTREE.COM>
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: struggle (fwd)
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This will make us remember our Mother Nature...
Forwarded to me from a friend:
STRUGGLE
A man found a cocoon of an emperor moth. He took it home so that he
could
watch the moth come out of the cocoon. On that day a small opening
appeared, he sat and watched the moth for several hours as the moth
struggled to force the body through that little hole.
Then it seemed to stop making any progress. It appeared as if it had
gotten as far as it could and it could go no farther. It just seemed to
be stuck. Then the man, in his kindness, decided to help the moth, so
he
took a pair of scissors and snipped off the remaining bit of the cocoon.
The moth then emerged easily. But it had a swollen body and small,
shriveled wings. The man continued to watch the moth because he
expected
that, at any moment, the wings would enlarge and expand to be able to
support the body, which would contract in time. Neither happened! In
fact, the little moth spent the rest of its life crawling around with a
swollen body and shriveled body and shriveled wings. It never was able
to
fly.
What the man in his kindness and haste did not understand was that the
restricting cocoon and the struggle required for the moth to get through
the tiny opening was the way of forcing fluid from the body of the moth
into its wings so that it would be ready for flight once it achieved its
freedom from the cocoon. Freedom and flight would only come after the
struggle. By depriving the moth of a struggle, he deprived the moth of
health.
Sometimes struggles are exactly what we need in our life. If we were to
go through our life without any obstacles, we would be crippled. We
would
not be as strong as what we could have been. Give every opportunity a
chance, leave no room for regrets.
- Unknown
Courtesy of Bhagwati Prasad
Both the hummingbird and the vulture fly over our nation's deserts. All
vultures see is rotting meat, because that is what they look for. They
thrive
on that diet. But hummingbirds ignore the smelly flesh of dead animals.
Instead, they look for the colorful blossoms of the desert plants. They
vultures live on what was. They live on the past. They fill themselves
with
what is dead and gone. But hummingbirds live on what is. They fill
themselves
with freshness and life. Each bird finds what it is looking for. WE ALL
DO!!
Unknown - Sent from Ken
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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 23:45:44 -1000
From: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
To: freda <fredaATnospamblarg.net>
cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Mini or Maxi -take ya pick!
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Dear Freda: >
> Speaking as a woman,
> I have had some of the most amazing experiences as a bi-product of the
> so called "3 second" orgasm. Don't pitty that which you don't
> understand. Why do you place orgasm in a time frame. What does time have
I would also say to you, don't dismiss what you haven't experienced!
This experience.. ask Mystress, ask Harsha.. they will tell you is not
foreplay.. it is orgasms which go on for hours.. they are not the
screaming and gasping kind.. but the inner and mind-blanking type that put
you into some state that cannot be described.. but it feels like the upper
levels of the 4th dimension to me! It is cosmic.
to do with it? Why should I wait for hours and hours in order to raise
> my energy level? If the goal is a shift in consciousness, this seems
> like a waste of time and energy to me, However, if you are intersted in
Well girl.. check it out before you rationalize it too freely..
There is no language that can do justice to it.. try it.
How would an icecream taste to someone from a desert? See.. can't
describe it.. must be experienced... Don't be too quick to write it off!
But I hope you have a man who will cooperate.. as my friend's beau is just
too lazy to try it and now they are splitting up... she feels that a
goddess should be treated as one.
I agree.
It is a huge source of healing, joy, satisfaction and wonder.. and in my
opinion when men and women create this much ecstacy, the whole of Nature
resonates and the trees grow, the plants thrive and the birds and bees go
about their work with more joy. The creativity it fosters is astonishing.
I can only tell you what is out there.. it is up to you to step out and
taste it...
Ruth
*****
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 12:17:31 +0100
From: "Jason S. White" <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Multi-orgasmic
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Ruth Trimble wrote:
>
>
> Once you put yourself into the public arena, it is hard to hide your
> shadows and your true nature, Denise.
>
>
So true. I never realized how much can be learned just by the act of
expressing yourself on a public forum. It is a great opportunity to see
your current state, your reactions and the reactions (or non-reactions)
of others to you.
For me, I have been able to give voice to a way of expression that I
don't normally use in day-to-day interactions with people. Through this
forum I have been discovering what parts of my spirituality I want to
bring into face-to-face relationships and what parts I want to remain in
my private experience. I've learned the importance of not babbling
about kundalini, yoga, energy, love, lightness and darkness, etc. to
people who are not ready to hear it. It takes creativity to only talk
about these things indirectly. But such a grand and mysterious vision
is impossible *not* to talk about in some way or another.
So thanks to the list for yet another way of making life... well...
multi-orgasmic.
Love. Jason.
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 12:26:52 +0100
From: "Jason S. White" <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch>
To: chris keir <chriskATnospamfirstnet.co.uk>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: who?
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chris keir wrote:
>
> who is there to touch?
is there a way to not touch?
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 04:15:54 -0800
From: ori^ <oriATnospameskimo.com>
To: Kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Ten bodies system of numerology
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Greetings List Members,
As I mentioned in my last post, I've been learning about the ten bodies
system of numerology through the yoga class I've been taking. What follows
is information I have compiled from a few different books regarding this
system and how to calculate your own natal numerology chart. The titles
are listed below.
>From the introduction to "Numerology":
"This system of numerology describes the ten bodies in detail and also
gives a technology for learning to use them appropriately in any situation.
The art and science of the ten bodies allows you to realize that any
disharmony you experience can be identified and then restored to harmony.
Yogic Technologies for Mastering the Ten Bodies [a chapter in this book]
goes through each body and gives a number of techniques you can use to
bring that body into consciousness and harmony."
The 10 bodies (and the 11th embodiment) are:
1st-- Soul body
2nd-- Negative Mind
3rd-- Positive Mind
4th-- Neutral Mind
5th-- Physical body
6th-- Arc line
7th-- Aura
8th-- Pranic body
9th-- Subtle body
10th-- ("One-Plus" body) Radiant Body
11th embodiment-- The Command Center; the Guru: spiritual excellence
To calculate the five positions of your natal numerology chart
soul, mastery/karma, gift, knowledge/destiny, and path
use the numbers of your birth date. When a number is more than one digit,
you add the two digits until you get one digit, EXCEPT for 10 and 11.
I'll use my birthdate for an example-- July 11, 1957
Soul Number is the number of the day of the month
11 (e.g. if you were born on the 15th add 1 + 5 = 6)
Mastery/Karma number is the number of your birth month
7 (July = 7th month)
Gift number is the sum of the last two digits of the birth year
3 (57 = 12 = 1 + 2 = 3)
Knowledge/Destiny number is the sum of the 4 digits of the birth year
4 (1957 = 1 + 9 + 5 + 7 = 22 = 2 + 2 = 4)
Path number is the sum of all birth date digits
4 (7 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 9 + 5 + 7 = 31 = 4)
a brief meaning of the 5 positions:
"After we determine our birth numbers, we will have 5 numbers that
indicate our primary strengths and weaknesses. This is a good place
to begin working on our ten bodies. Whatever bodies are represented
in our birth chart, begin strengthening them and becoming more
conscious of them. In the case of the Soul, Mastery/Karma, and Path
numbers, start developing those bodies more. In the case of the
Gift and Knowledge/Destiny numbers, be sure that we're actually
using those divinely-given strengths as much as we can."
--from Numerology Manual by Guruchander Singh Khalsa.
The Soul position shows the body which is the link to our soul
Typically this is a weak link, asking to be strengthened.
"The Soul position represents your inner self. It is the moving
force behind your personality & it is a part of your emotional
makeup as well... When you want to understand what is truly
important to someone, look to their Soul.
The Mastery/Karma position is the body through which we experience
conflict in the world or external disharmony. It indicates our
weak spots, requesting growth and attention. "The Mastery/Karma
position is your homework assignment in this life. It represents
an area of experience that you will be working on perfecting
throughout your lifetime... If your relationships are not
working well, look to the Mastery/Karma position for the answer."
The Gift position is the body where the Divine has gifted us.
It is a natural talent to rely upon.
The Knowledge/Destiny position is the body of developed
capacity and experience. If we are comfortable using the
reincarnational model, this number shows what capacities we have
worked on and developed in many other lifetimes, what well-
developed talents we have brought with us into this life.
If we are comfortable using the Western genetic model, these
would be capacities/talents for which we have a genetic propensity.
This body is usually one of the strongest aspects that
people see in us. "It represents an area of knowledge in which you
typically have a high degree of ability. This is one of the places
to look when you want to know the inner language of a person."
The Path position is the body which reflects what we have to do in order
to feel spiritually fulfilled. It shows our channel for serving others
and for teaching others how to fulfill themselves. "When we master
the body indicated by our path number, we'll feel that we're finally
doing what we're supposed to be doing." (Numerology Manual)
The books go into greater detail about the meaning of each number
in each position. I will take for an example from my own numerology
the 7th body in the Mastery/Karma position. 7th body being the aura.
"If 7 is your Karma number, you may find yourself feeling overwhelmed
by your external environment and your relationships. You may be
easily confused in situations where there is a lot of stimulation
around you, because your aura is letting too much in and not
containing you enough. Any practice that strengthens the aura
will help you feel your own integrity and security so that nothing
outside you can sway you."
Then I turn to the chapter titled "Yogic technologies for mastering
the ten bodies" where it suggests that to master the 7th body
--Eat sweet, yellow foods and wear citrine and amber
--Do any meditation where you focus on your tenth gate (the crown of
your head)
--Do the exercise set "Balancing the aura" in Kundalini Yoga for Youth
& Joy
--Do the "Meditation for the Divine Shield" in Kundalini Meditation
Manual for Intermediate Students
--Do the exercise set "Strengthening the aura" in the Kundalini
Yoga Sadhana Guidelines manual
--Read and study the life and teachings of Guru Har Rai.
Quotes taken from:
"Numerology, as taught by Yogi Bhajan" by Guruchander Singh Khalsa.
"Tantric numerology" by Guruchander Singh Khalsa.
"Akara Numerology: The Numerology of the New Age" by Nam Hari Kaur Khalsa.
I am finding this system to be a useful tool for taking a different
look at how to further integrate and fine-tune my energetic and
physical bodies. With this post I've provided only the briefest of
introductions toward using yoga as a technology to master the ten
bodies.
In service to the process of awakening,
ori^
oriATnospameskimo.com ICQ: 2918880
http://www.eskimo.com/~ori/ori.html
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 09:41:07 -0500 (EST)
From: HeleniliusATnospamaol.com
To: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: The thinker feels
Message-ID: <971129094107_529752847ATnospammrin44.mail.aol.com>
amckeon,
I also enjoyed Dan's story. In fact, it reminds me very much of many of my
own encounters. I choose to remain open emotionally to others in this way
and I find that there is a great strength in being vulnerable without fear or
judgement. I just recently met a close friend and her husband for dinner,
and when she came to sit down at the table she clasped my hand and I looked
into her eyes and I began to cry. At first this puzzled her, but then she
"got it." I had simply been so glad to see her, that love just overwhelmed
me in a soft and beautiful way, for she and I are both on this spiritual
journey in our own way, and seeing her felt like home somewhere in my core.
Later we were all discussing various things and she told me that she always
felt emotions like that, but never felt safe enough to show them.
for me, the freedom comes from being able to participate in every moment and
in every situation with this same openess with my emotions. I find that if
people are rude and angry, there is a lot of pain behind those feelings, so
instead of feeling attacked, I feel compassion and love for the suffering the
other person is feeling. If I recieve criticism, I assume it is a
contribution to me, whether it was intended to be so or not. It gives me an
opportunity to grow regardless. Human nature can be cruel at times, but
cruelty is coming from pain, and I personally don't believe there is anything
that can't be changed without enough unconditional love. We humans are a
difficult lot, but my own experience has been encouraging. People in
general are so shocked by sincere personal encounters that if not totally
softened, they usually are stopped dead in their tracks! I encourage you to
continue to take this venture out now and then, but as always, see what works
for you.
love,
helen
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 09:53:15 -0500 (EST)
From: HeleniliusATnospamaol.com
To: chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net, amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, deliriumATnospamionet.net
Subject: Re: *>transcendent experience<* was:Kundalini emergence..or what?(a newbie post)
Message-ID: <971129095315_1183027472ATnospammrin58.mail.aol.com>
interisting! Thanks for the list! I don't know if i've had a technical
obe/nde, but i've definitely been steadily increasing on all 7 of those
qualities for quite some time now...i couldn't say how many years. I think
I've always been more or less this way, but it just seems to increase as I
go...the momentum as well. Thanks for the information!
helen
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 07:28:54 -0800
From: freda <fredaATnospamblarg.net>
To: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Mini or Maxi -take ya pick!
Message-ID: <348034B6.2D08ATnospamblarg.net>
Dearest Ruth,
I did not mean to indicate to you that I do not indulge and enjoy! both
kinds of pleasure.
My comment was directed at your opionion that those of us who can find
bliss in less than an afternoon -as well- are to be pittied.
As to my man, he is quite cooperative, and thank God he is not as narrow
minded as you seem to be as it is he who preferes the long afternoon and
it is I who sometimes needs the release/boost of a "quick" fix. I find
that sometimes a release of built up energy is just the thing to calm
things down.
Personally, I think it would be a drag if I had to ALWAYS set aside
hours.
I hold to my origianal statement, having experienced both, I think they
are both wonderful, it is the "intent" if I am feeling lusty then give
me lust, if I am looking to calm move that energy in a more controled
manner then I'll set aside the time to do do so. There is room in my
life for both.
--
Freda ~ BE-IS-AM
http://www.blarg.net/~freda/01rg/hm/frhm.htm
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