1997/11/26 09:37
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #769
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 769
Today's Topics:
Re: Urddhvareta [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: Fw: Enjoy . . . [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: Fw: Enjoy . . . [ M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net> ]
Re: The 'I' [ Susanne Macrae <smacraeATnospamcamtech.net ]
Unidentified subject! [ Radhakrishnan B <brkATnospamcri.co.in> ]
The thinker feels [ Nancy <NancyATnospamwtp.net> ]
RE: 48 Hours -Skeptic HEaven [ Mike Stickles <msticklesATnospamantalys.co ]
Thanksgiving [ DonBBensonATnospamaol.com ]
Re: Thanksgiving [ Lorianna Burkes <lady_enchantmentATnospamy ]
RE: The 'I' [ Mike Stickles <msticklesATnospamantalys.co ]
Re: Thanksgiving (fwd) [ "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.or ]
Re: Thanksgiving (fwd) [ "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.or ]
RE: The 'I' [ Dieter Dambiec <d.dambiecATnospamstudent.c ]
Re: The thinker feels [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ]
Re: Urddhvareta [ Blythe <merlinATnospampnn.com> ]
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:40:52 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
CC: hlutharATnospamkeynes.bryant.edu, Mike Stickles <msticklesATnospamantalys.com>,
kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Urddhvareta
Message-ID: <347AAB32.6453ATnospamintercomm.com>
Ruth Trimble wrote:
>
> Hi Gloria and Harsh:
> IT is when I read this list I find out so much of what I have learned in
> the past 18 years of seeking.
> Urddhvareta (please correct my spelling Hindi speakers) is the energy I
> experienced coming up from the sexual organs through the belly and up
> through the body. As it rose up, it bestowed intense orgasmic delight.
> I believe it to be the the ojas or light/life force in the ovaries which
> creates the egg in females or from the testes in men that creates the
> sperm and contains that vital force which creates a child when both are
> put together. Thus it is verily the LIFE force itself and in the
> urddhavreta it does not go down into biological function, but it slowly
> through practice and meditation and a lot of grace, moves up inwardly
> through the body. This is the state that ones sees in many sages from
> India whose eyes are rolled upward into the head I assume they
> experience this same bliss. I also believe from my experience that the
> ascent of this life ojas to the 3rd eye
> allows the soma juice to drip into the back of the tongue
> This is something that yogis yearn for.. and some have their tongue
> tethers cut so that the tongue may reach back behind the nose to taste the
> soma there...
> This is what I understand from my experience... what do others know of
> this?
> > This is true, Gloria here:
> > Harsh what to you know about urdhava-retas?
>
> Ruth
Yes Ruth, it is the upward movement, while it is rare occassion when it
actually manifests to the fullness, it is what will bring it all
together. This is why the sexual energies are so sacred and important to
go into transformation and never to be misused. In India I understand it
means the same things as enlightenment. I would like to hear what Harsh
has to say since he is also into Tantra. Gloria
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at:
http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/
&
http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/
Hope you enjoy them!
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:52:51 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: PEGLUMPKINATnospamaol.com
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Subject: Re: Fw: Enjoy . . .
Message-ID: <347AAE01.75BDATnospamintercomm.com>
PEGLUMPKINATnospamaol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 97-11-25 01:11:49 EST, you write:
>
> << Am I the only one who remembers "Farfel" the puppet dog saying this and
> then clamping his big carboard mouth shut at the end? >>
>
> You mean the Jerry Mahoney Show? One of the things I have noticed on this
> list is that many of us seem to be in our late forties and early fifties and
> understand these dated references.
HI Peggy, I noticed the same thing however, my kundalini process has
been going on forever it seems. But, what you have said about the
developmental stages sounds quite accurate, we do move along from stage
to stage. We just had this conversation in our foster care training,
Dennis and I are going to do a emergency home for the county with girls
6 to 11. Anyway, these stages are very important in understanding what
happens as specific times, and this holds true through out life.
Remember in India, men at 50 often go off into their spiritual life
since they have finished the responsiblities etc, I'm not sure what
women do...but it is the same.
At the recent KRN conference, one of the
> attendees commented to me that she feels that the kundalini process is a
> normal stage of adult development. Another attendee said he feels the baby
> boomers are a consciousness wave who came to Earth to raise its level of
> spirituality. Anyway, there are so many of us, that if we can do justice to
> opportunity given us, we can make a difference.
>
> And, if I might add a related idea I've been wondering about, maybe the human
> species is about to enter its adulthood. Was anyone awake in biology class
> when we were taught "Ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny"? In other words, each
> individual member of a species goes through, in its lifetime, all of the
> developmental stages that the entire species went through during its
> evolution. That's why the human embryo goes through a developmental stage
> with gill-like structures suited to a watery environment, just as human lungs
> evolved only after our aquatic ancestors left the sea. In the same way,
> might the consciousness of an entire species and/or culture go through the
> same developmental stages of an individual? If so, humankind today, with its
> dominance of aggression, competition, physical indulgences, and fixation on
> glamour, fame, and thrill-seeking reminds me of a bunch of teenagers on a
> mindless joyride. It's wonderful to imagine a world full of spiritual
> grownups.
>
> Sorry, I seem to have digressed from the original chocolate thread. The
> chocolate chips must have kicked in.
>
> Peg
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at:
http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/
&
http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/
Hope you enjoy them!
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 22:18:00 -0800 (PST)
From: M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net>
To: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Fw: Enjoy . . .
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At 11:15 PM 11/25/97 -0600, amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us wrote:
>Very interesting. Do you feel or act more like a redhead these days? I have
>three younger sisters with more gray hair than I have, one is even entirely
>gray! It has been suggested that it is because although I am the oldest, I
>often act the youngest. Silliness, wearing brightly colored clothes, buying
>toys for myself, for example.
>
My stick straight hair has gotten wavy and I too buy an increasing number of
'toys' to play with!!
Do you think Randi would have a good scientific explanation for these kinds
of things? Perhaps Lobster would know.
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 17:10:45 +1030
From: Susanne Macrae <smacraeATnospamcamtech.net.au>
To: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: The 'I'
Message-ID: <347BC468.755DATnospamcamtech.net.au>
Ruth Trimble wrote:
>
I cannot but feel that "I" you
> talk about is the EGO...which is a construct of dreaming. It will be
> dissolved in REALITY and then what? Who then can you say "had
> experiences?" It will be impossible to find anything to point to.
> Well what convolutions we can get into.
> Take care... Ruth
>
I know I am not explaining myself very well. When I re-entered (through
the Akashic Records) the energy that was "me" at the birth of my
consciousness, I re-experienced the original "I". This was the
embrace of all that was with a on my place in the big picture. This is
the "I" that I refer to. How this has changed, expanded and contracted
and lived through experience is still held together by the original "I".
My reality of "I" comes from the path I have travelled and we have all
travelled different paths. This list provides a wonderful opportunity to
search and to seek. Thank you all.
Love sue
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 14:19:00 +0530
From: Radhakrishnan B <brkATnospamcri.co.in>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Unidentified subject!
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Is there any site where I can obtain pictures relating to Kundalini Yoga
postures and other stuff of that sort.
I am also looking for a picture like that of one sitting in the Lotus
Posture.. if any one do have one, can you please mail me directly.
Thanx.
With Regards,
B.Radhakrishnan
CRI India [P] Ltd.,
2nd Flr, Temple Towers,
Nandanam, Madras 600 035. India.
Ph. : +91 44 434 0520/4163/4538
mail : brkATnospamcri.co.in
"Experience is being able to recognize your mistakes when you make them
Again."
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 05:05:07 +0000
From: Nancy <NancyATnospamwtp.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: The thinker feels
Message-ID: <347BAE00.70A0ATnospamwtp.net>
I've been having trouble with rapant thoughts...you know...the obsessive
kind that don't serve any productive purpose. This morning at 3:30 a.m.
(up with my thoughts again) I think I figured out why.
I have always tended to be a more "left" brain person. Thoughts over
emotions. Ration over intuition. Since this awakening (K?) process has
begun, I have become much more feeling and intuitive.
Thinking is an old habit for me. I obsess about people or ideas, running
these over and over in my mind. I imagine different scenarios, try to
control each variatioin in my mind. My pattern has been that if I can
figure it out before it happens, then I'll be prepared for whatever may
come. (good concept anyway :-)
What insanity! I realize that I think because I don't want to feel. My
mind has been racing--thinking, thinking, thinking about one situation
for the past 6 weeks. This morning I realized, I THINK SO I DON'T HAVE
TO FEEL! Isn't that funny! I have been so afraid to face my emotions
that I would rather drive myself insane obsessing!
Anyway, I asked myself to stop the thinking and to allow myself the
feeling about this especially troublesome situation. Amazingly, nothing
bad happened. I didn't die from exposure to my emotion. In fact, I felt
quite calm and content to experience feelings.
Maybe this sounds so obvious to most of you... It was so profound for me
that I thought I'd share this.
Nancy
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 16:54:08 -0500
From: Mike Stickles <msticklesATnospamantalys.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com, Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
Subject: RE: 48 Hours -Skeptic HEaven
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>You have given me a new perspective on this..
>I guess I was not thinking of the limited
>understanding of so many. But isn't it time
>this was debunked too.. or is the debunking
>actually happening? Even 5 years ago
>I never heard of a western doctor prescribing
>acupuncture to patients, and now I hear of it
>all the time!
I would say your second statement is more true to
what's happening now - the "debunking" is in
progress, but its effectiveness lies in the fact that it
is not the same kind of "debunking" that those with
an anti-supernatural bias are doing.
Normally, in "debunking" you try to show someone
logically that a belief they hold (or are considering)
is invalid in some way. This is what the TV shows
were doing. However, I have personally found this
pretty ineffective in persuading someone to drop
their bias against the supernatural. Rather, when
that bias cracks it is because they have come to
respect me as a person, and then I have the open
space to talk about my own beliefs. It seems to
follow this general pattern:
1) Person believes that supernatural is "bunk" and
only gullible loonies believe in it.
2) Person gets to know me, respect me, and so
does not consider me a gullible loony.
3) I get opportunity to share beliefs with person.
Person must now toss out belief (1) or belief (2).
Since experience is usually a more powerful
influence than abstract theory, usually belief (1)
gets modified. The person still may believe that
the supernatural is bunk, but at least is willing to
accept that some of us who believe in it are in
fact capable of coherent thought :-). I may not
gain a convert (not often my primary purpose
anyway), but I usually lose a cynic. This is how
I believe the "debunking" of anti-supernaturalism
will proceed - one skeptic at a time, by personal
exposure.
Also, I agree with your take on why some may
not advertise their abilities - the ignorance and/or
hostility of others is often not worth dealing with.
Usually, it is probably a bit of both reasons. One
thing I hadn't thought of the first time is that for
some their gift may be (in truth or in their own
belief) contingent upon something else which
they are afraid others might not accept.
As a personal example, I never shared my
prophecies with anyone outside of the small
groups that heard them, since they were given to
me by God without my seeking them out. I feared
that if others found out that I had accurately given
prophecies, they would come and ask me to
prophecy for them about such-and-so, and I
had no idea how to "seek" a prophecy. Then I
would either have to say "no" a bunch of times
(which I was not very good at) or try to seek
for a prophecy which might or might not turn
out to be true (that is, might as easily be from
my own imagination as from God). I wasn't sure
that someone seeking a prophecy would accept
that I didn't believe I could just ask for one and
get it - that I had to wait for it to be given to me.
So I kept my mouth shut. More of fear than
humility.
- Mike Stickles
P.S. - Welcome to the out-of-closet realms! :-)
And I'm sure your appearance will go well (hmm -
by now probably "will have gone well" would be
more accurate :-).
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 09:13:27 -0500 (EST)
From: DonBBensonATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Thanksgiving
Message-ID: <971126091327_-724664209ATnospammrin79>
Friends, on the occasion of Bible Week and Thanksgiving in the USA, I am
inspired to share this message with you:
The Old Testament reading for Nov. 25 in my One Year Bible describes the
faithfulness of Daniel and his companions when they were brought as teenagers
from Israel to Babylon about 2,600 years ago. Nebuchadnezzar interviewed
Daniel, Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah: <And in all matters of wisdom and
understanding about which the king examined them, he found them ten times
better than all the magicians and astrologers who were in all his realm.>
For this, Daniel gave thanks and praise to God.
Many of you will remember Nebuchadnezzar's command to the magicians, the
astrologers, the sorcerers, and the Chaldeans: <if you do not make known the
dream to me, and its interpretation, you shall be cut in pieces, and your
houses shall be made an ash heap.> When they failed and the king gave a
command to destroy all the wise men of Babylon, the God of heaven revealed
the secret to Daniel in a night vision. So Daniel blessed the God of heaven
and said:
<<Blessed be the name of God forever and ever, for wisdom and might are HIs.
And He changes the times and the seasons; he removes kings and raises up
kings; He gives wisdom to the wise and knowledge to those who have
understanding. He reveals deep and secret things; He knows what is in the
darkness, and light dwells with Him. I thank You and praise You, O God of my
fathers; You have given me wisdom and might, and have now made known to me
what we asked of You, for You have made known to us the king's word.>>
Daniel 2:20-23 NKJV
In his dream, the king saw a great image with head of gold, chest and arms of
silver, belly and thighs of bronze, legs of iron, and feet partly of iron and
partly of clay. The image portrayed five successive world empires: Babylon,
Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome, and the divided and mixed world empire that will
exist at the time when <the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which shall
never be destroyed.>
When the final desperate form of the Roman empire arises, false spirituality
- the great harlot named "Mystery, Babylon the Great, the Mother of Harlots
and of the Abominations of the Earth" - will sit as queen and deceive all
nations by her sorcery. But an angel will come down from heaven, having great
authority, and cry mightily with a loud voice, saying, <<Babylon the great is
fallen, is fallen, and has become a habitation of demons, a prison for every
foul spirit, and a cage for every unclean and hated bird!>> Revelation 17&18.
Like Daniel and his companions, a few people in the kundalini community are
firmly committed to serving the God of heaven. We give Him thanks and praise
for whatever material and spiritual gifts, graces, and blessings we may
receive.
Friends, on Thanksgiving Day 1997, whom will you serve? To whom will you give
thanks and praise?
In a few years, the kingdoms of this world will <become the kingdoms of our
Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!> Daniel's God
and my God will reward His servants the prophets and the saints, and those
who fear His name, small and great, and destroy those who destroy the earth.
Rev.11. When Babylon the Great is about to be destroyed there shall be a
voice from heaven saying, <Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her
sins, and lest you receive of her plagues. For her sins have reached to
heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities.> Rev.18:4-5. Where will you go
and what will you do in that Day?
I hope and pray y'all will be in that number when the saints go marchin' in.
Let's thank and praise the Lord together today. Glory to God! Amen.
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 06:40:53 -0800 (PST)
From: Lorianna Burkes <lady_enchantmentATnospamyahoo.com>
To: DonBBensonATnospamaol.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Thanksgiving
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I didnt come on this list to be preached at...in future..please send
your preaching to those on the list who are christian and not to me,
since i can not speak for others on the list. I personally chose not
to be spamed by christian teachings...so please exclude me the next
time...
Thanks...
Lorianna
>
> Friends, on Thanksgiving Day 1997, whom will you serve? To whom will
you give
> thanks and praise?
>
> In a few years, the kingdoms of this world will <become the kingdoms
of our
> Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!>
Daniel's God
> and my God will reward His servants the prophets and the saints, and
those
> who fear His name, small and great, and destroy those who destroy
the earth.
> Rev.11. When Babylon the Great is about to be destroyed there shall
be a
> voice from heaven saying, <Come out of her, my people, lest you
share in her
> sins, and lest you receive of her plagues. For her sins have reached
to
> heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities.> Rev.18:4-5. Where
will you go
> and what will you do in that Day?
>
> I hope and pray y'all will be in that number when the saints go
marchin' in.
> Let's thank and praise the Lord together today. Glory to God! Amen.
>
>
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 14:10:55 -0500
From: Mike Stickles <msticklesATnospamantalys.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: RE: The 'I'
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In a book I have called "How to Meditate" there is an
interesting meditation on "Who am I?" which I have
never tried, but after reading these posts I think I
might do so.
I'm doing this from memory (the book's at home) so
if any of you have it and I missed something, sorry -
you can correct me in a later post...
You start as for any meditation, sitting straight in a
quiet place etc etc (no details here since I think we
all know how to meditate and have our own preferred
methods), then calm your mind and pose to yourself
the question, "Who am I?" You then wait quietly for
answers to come up within your mind, or actively
search for answers - I think that the book suggests
doing the first, and using the second to jump-start
the process again if your mind comes up with nothing
on its own for a while (though I might be getting this
mixed up with another meditation on that last part).
The answers will usually refer to attributes of you,
without touching the "I" of you. You answer these in
turn and go back to listening. Examples from what
I personally might receive when I do this:
I receive "I am a computer programmer." My
response would be, "No, that is what I do to earn
money. Who am *I*?"
I receive "I am a father and husband." My response
would be, "No, those are the roles I serve in my
closest relationships. Who am *I*?"
I receive "I am a Christian." My response would be,
"No, that is a description of my relationship with God
and Christ. Who am *I*?"
I receive "I am Mike Stickles." My response would be,
"No, that is a label by which others can communicate
with or about me. Who am *I*?"
The book, as I recall, says that it is not uncommon
for one to have to continue this meditation over some
weeks or months before receiving an answer which
has no response. At that time, you are finished with
this meditation. If you are so moved, give it a try, and
then any of us who get the "answer which has no
response" can share that with the group (although I
have a sneaking suspicion that it won't be something
you can communicate via words, useful labels though
they be, so that we would actually be able to share
only what it meant to us or how our view of ourselves
has changed).
- Mike Stickles
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 08:55:09 -0600 (CST)
From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Thanksgiving (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.971126085445.28823B-100000ATnospamwinc0>
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On Wed, 26 Nov 1997, Lorianna Burkes wrote:
>
> I didnt come on this list to be preached at...in future..please send
> your preaching to those on the list who are christian and not to me,
> since i can not speak for others on the list. I personally chose not
> to be spamed by christian teachings...so please exclude me the next
> time...
Hi, for one, i'm buddhist. However, i have to admit i found it wonderful
that any traditional christians found K to be something that was not 'of
Satan'.
Since the Christian religion as i know it sort of likes proselytizing, at
some point, when they speak, they will preach.
After having my religion referred to as devil worshipping...anything else
seems pretty positive.
One point the post made altho via its christian viewpoint was 'what do we
give thanks for'? (ok she said to 'whom', but i'm not a Theist, so it
doesnt apply to me)
so...one thing we can all do is give.
give thanks by smiling,
sharing,
helping,
praying,
walking the extra mile,
speaking the extra word
to explain
to someone
when you
dont really
want to take the time to
do it.
Exchange your joys for their
sorrows.
Burn up those sorrows you
took in your heart of
compassion
and tell your friend...
Thank You!
because of you i
learned compassion.
Patience
Tolerance.
and Love.
Isn't that what the Christian prophet said?
"Love one another as i have loved you?"
or to use a Sanskrit term,
Maitri, (boundless lovingkindness to you)
--Janpa Tsomo
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 08:55:50 -0600 (CST)
From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Thanksgiving (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.971126085531.28823C-100000ATnospamwinc0>
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On Wed, 26 Nov 1997, Lorianna Burkes wrote:
>
> I didnt come on this list to be preached at...in future..please send
> your preaching to those on the list who are christian and not to me,
> since i can not speak for others on the list. I personally chose not
> to be spamed by christian teachings...so please exclude me the next
> time...
Hi, for one, i'm buddhist. However, i have to admit i found it wonderful
that any traditional christians found K to be something that was not 'of
Satan'.
Since the Christian religion as i know it sort of likes proselytizing, at
some point, when they speak, they will preach.
After having my religion referred to as devil worshipping...anything else
seems pretty positive.
One point the post made altho via its christian viewpoint was 'what do we
give thanks for'? (ok she said to 'whom', but i'm not a Theist, so it
doesnt apply to me)
so...one thing we can all do is give.
give thanks by smiling,
sharing,
helping,
praying,
walking the extra mile,
speaking the extra word
to explain
to someone
when you
dont really
want to take the time to
do it.
Exchange your joys for their
sorrows.
Burn up those sorrows you
took in your heart of
compassion
and tell your friend...
Thank You!
because of you i
learned compassion.
Patience
Tolerance.
and Love.
Isn't that what the Christian prophet said?
"Love one another as i have loved you?"
or to use a Sanskrit term,
Maitri, (boundless lovingkindness to you)
--Janpa Tsomo
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 23:38:41 +1100
From: Dieter Dambiec <d.dambiecATnospamstudent.canberra.edu.au>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Cc: "kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: RE: The 'I'
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From: Jason S. White [SMTP:zymphtATnospambluewin.ch]
The end of "I" occurs when your body dies and your matter-energy is
released to take new forms.
[Dd>] If the body is cremated or alternatively left to rot while in the
grave how exactly are you saying this 'matter-energy' takes new forms. The
opposite to the above statement seems more reasonable. I am curious as to
how you arrive at this understanding.
Matter-energy seeks the knowing of itself through "I", the human form.
[Dd>] Are you saying matter-energy is eternal consciousness. Indeed that
would be rather novel. Elaboration out of curiousity seems to be required.
There will
come a point where it is no longer necessary for an "I" to exist for
matter-energy to be aware of itself. Matter-energy will configure
itself into souls of pure awareness with no need of a human form.
[Dd>] How?
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 10:04:24 -0600
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: The thinker feels
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Nancy wrote:
>What insanity! I realize that I think because I don't want to feel. My
>mind has been racing--thinking, thinking, thinking about one situation
>for the past 6 weeks. This morning I realized, I THINK SO I DON'T HAVE
>TO FEEL! Isn't that funny! I have been so afraid to face my emotions
>that I would rather drive myself insane obsessing!
Hello! Been there, STILL do that! I ruminate over things like a cow with
three stomachs. Rechewing and redigesting until every experience is ground
to dust and finely sifted. And I am just plain *better* at thinking than
feeling, I don't "do" emotion well. Perhaps this is a malady that primarily
affects introverts?
>Anyway, I asked myself to stop the thinking and to allow myself the
>feeling about this especially troublesome situation. Amazingly, nothing
>bad happened. I didn't die from exposure to my emotion. In fact, I felt
>quite calm and content to experience feelings.
Yeah, that is probably the way to go, I really hate it though. Emotion
seems so unproductive. Someone hurts you, you cry. They hurt you again, you
cry. It is so much more satisfying to try and puzzle out how to avoid the
person, or how to deal with them differently, how to detach, etc.
Detachment seems a work of the brain rather than the heart.
>Maybe this sounds so obvious to most of you... It was so profound for me
>that I thought I'd share this.
It may be obvious, but it is something I personally need to be reminded of.
One of my ego's biggest stumbling blocks. Balance is what is really called
for, of course, but who wants to be balanced ;) ?
sincerely,
amckeon
(wondering if I could've done a better job with this post...)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 08:27:16 -0800 (PST)
From: Blythe <merlinATnospampnn.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Urddhvareta
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At 11:40 AM 11/25/97 +0100, you wrote:
>
>Yes Ruth, it is the upward movement, while it is rare occassion when it
>actually manifests to the fullness, it is what will bring it all
>together. This is why the sexual energies are so sacred and important to
>go into transformation and never to be misused. In India I understand it
>means the same things as enlightenment. I would like to hear what Harsh
>has to say since he is also into Tantra. Gloria
>
>--
>
>Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
>Gloria Joy Greco
I've a question. What constitutes misuse of our sacred sexual energies?
Exploitative sexuality feels like it's definitely misuse.
I can come up with other ideas, but immediately my mind begins arguing..
Perhaps we each have to determine right practice for ourselves and in
consensus with our loves{Loves}.
Blythe
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