1997/11/15  16:10  
 kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #752 
  
kundalini-l-d Digest				Volume 97 : Issue 752
 
Today's Topics: 
  Re: Time                              [ jim.christophersonATnospamjuno.com (Jim R  ] 
  compelled to write the following ver  [ iri <iriATnospamivyrealty.com> ] 
  Re: compelled to write the following  [ Gloria <glorybeATnospamintrepid.net> ] 
  A different perspective               [ "Denise A. Frank" <dafrankATnospamearthlin ] 
  Re: Elaina's post                     [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ] 
  Lessons from the Soul - #37           [ John Otis <sacredwindATnospamusa.net> ] 
  Re: Time                              [ "Jason S. White" <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch ] 
  Re: sorrow after k experience         [ merlinATnospampnn.com ] 
  Re: compelled to write the following  [ "F. Drew " <leydaATnospamvalunet.com> ] 
  Suffering                             [ Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu> ] 
  ShriRamana Maharshi                   [ Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu> ] 
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 12:16:21 EST 
From: jim.christophersonATnospamjuno.com (Jim R Christopherson) 
To: shawebbATnospamyhc.edu 
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: Time 
Message-ID: <19971115.101710.8590.0.jim.christophersonATnospamjuno.com>
 
On Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:32:04 -0500 "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu> 
writes: 
>Hi, 
> 
>Let's all wear our watches.  Just take out the batteries.   
> 
>Talk about living in the moment.... 
> 
>Sharon 
>shawebbATnospamyhc.edu 
>A new fractal gallery was posted to this site on September 10th: 
>http://home1.gte.net/itriazon/Sharon.htm 
>USA Today Hot Site; Cosmic Site of the Night: Cool Central Site of the  
>Day; 
>ENC Digital Dozen for June '97; Enchantment Award; ArtSearch Featured  
>Site; 
>NetTech NeatTech: Best of the Web in Educational Technology; Eye Candy 
>Honorable Mention 
> 
>
 
Talking about watches, I had an idea a few years ago to invent a watch 
with no inner workings and a face that just reads, "NOW"
 
You will always have the right time
 
In addition, a quote I know reads, "A man with one watch knows what time 
it is. A man with 2 watches is never sure."  
What does that make a man with no watches?
 
Jim 
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 10:53:12 -0800 
From: iri <iriATnospamivyrealty.com> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com 
Subject: compelled to write the following verse-WHY? 
Message-Id: <199711151851.KAA29473ATnospamwoohoo.erc.bc.ca> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
 
I do not understand why i was compelled to write what you see below, however 
I present it to you for your evaluations and commentaries if you so desire 
I offer no comments of my own
 
my voice is in the wind 
it whispers thru the trees 
and when i settle as a cloud upon the land, the earth does shake mightly 
the tides rise up to greet me 
the earth spews forth its flame and rock 
it billows smoke when it states its ire 
for as i live in the great here and now 
so do you all, for you are of me 
a day for you is but a twinkle of an eye for me 
each day for me is, as some have called it, a thousand of your linear years 
understand too that all light can be upon you if you so desire......you have 
the choice to enter.....be not afraid 
you have the choice to run and hide..... 
tho from whom i ask do you hide but from yourself perhaps 
everything works in harmony everything its cycle 
as is life and death a cycle of the linear self 
do you see the light 
do you hear the silence 
do you feel the wind speaking to you 
the trees clap with glee 
the winds whisper victoriously for you  
you are the victor when you see the smells of life and hear the sounds of light 
this seems linearly incongruous and yet the fact remains that the higher 
self can do what the linear self can not.....the physicals will learn the 27 
orders 
of the unreal.....27 is the number of earthquakes that will call for the 
sleeping minds to ascend.....they are coming 
they will propel all physicals to unite when the 27 arrive 
it will not be, as the physicals call it, tomorrow 
the reshaping of the planet must be nearly completed first 
then as one of the final steps to the planetary awakening the 27 will 
appear. The earth will speak volumes 
listen for the silence and feel the wind speak 
it will be the time shortly thereafter 
all things are the here and now for the non-physical realm  
but all things for physical understanding must be referred to linearly 
the light is for all to enter.....entrance is by free will 
those who ascend will find a realm beyond physical beliefs and properties 
all is good all is right  
the 27 means more than earth shaking events 
that is for the physical to understand and contemplate  
here and now 27 is significant.....2 and 7.....7 and 2 
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 14:29:27 -0500 
From: Gloria <glorybeATnospamintrepid.net> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: compelled to write the following verse-WHY? 
Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971115142927.0071318cATnospamintrepid.net> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
 
At 10:53 AM 11/15/97 -0800, you wrote: 
>I do not understand why i was compelled to write what you see below, however 
>I present it to you for your evaluations and commentaries if you so desire 
>I offer no comments of my own****
 
my best guess, iri, is that the poetry gods have found another willing 
victim...
 
>too that all light can be upon you if you so desire......you have 
>the choice to enter.....be not afraid 
>you have the choice to run and hide.....********
 
>tis snipped here to save the space of repeating.. but bravissismo!!!*****
 
>do from whom i ask do you hide but from yourself perhaps 
>everything works in harmony everything its cycle 
>a 
> 
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 11:47:07 -0700 
From: "Denise A. Frank" <dafrankATnospamearthlink.net> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: A different perspective 
Message-ID: <346DEE2B.5DE2ATnospamearthlink.net> 
 
Hello all...
 
Been lurking on (and learning from) this list for many months now.  Made  
a connection (possible one, anyhow) yesterday that has finally brought  
me to want to share with the group. Two things actually.... both  
involving a NDE that I experienced back in 1980 (at age 28)... one just  
an interesting experience/perspective and the other a possible answer to  
a question that has long remained a puzzle.
 
My NDE was precipitated (as best they can figure) by a bout with viral  
encephalitis... high fever, coma for several days... then gone.  For a  
period of time after this episode, I had frequent pain between my  
shoulder blades as if there was a knife stuck in my back.  Yesterday I  
had the thought that perhaps this had something to do with one of my  
chakras.  Anyone have any ideas about this?  It lasted for several  
months off and on... then simply went away. 
 
The other ditty I wanted to share... and it still makes me giggle... is  
the 'response' I received while seeking an answer to the question - WAS  
what I experienced a true 'death' experience?  I have no memory of about  
a ten-day period except for what I call my 'death experience'... was a  
powerful lesson where I was shown how I was mis-using my life energy.   
Anyhow... I never saw the proverbial tunnel with the white light at the  
end that many others have talked about.  What I saw was simply a white  
line.  I somehow *knew* that everything above this line represented  
*life* as I knew it and everything below the line represented *death*.   
I knew I was right *on* this line and that it was my choice as to which  
direction I wanted to go.  (Obviously, I'm here, so we know the answer  
to THAT one.) In my meditation, my *answer* went something like this:  
 
"MUST you be like everyone else, Denise?  Imagine that white line you  
saw.  Grabbing it like a hand-held scope of sorts... *turn* this white  
line so that you can bring one end of it to your eye so you can look  
through it.  NOW what do you see?  A tunnel, right... a WHITE tunnel...  
with light all around!  You simply had a different angle and perspective  
to it... that's all!"
 
Isn't that a classic?  I STILL smile when I think about it.  Sure not  
something *I* could have come up with... yet so perfectly true! 
 
Though our perspectives within life may differ and our angles of  
approach vary... it's all the same game, eh?  Fun to share and learn of  
our differences AND our similarities.
 
Warmly, 
Denise 
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 14:14:28 -0600 
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: Elaina's post 
Message-ID: <1332516332-4717397ATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
 
elaina wrote:
 
>I had a friend 5 years ago, we were very close. 
<snip> 
>I found out in the course of our 2 year 'friendship' that she was indeed NOT 
>my >friend.  I walked away from her, and when I did so alot of strange things 
>>started happening.  First, I remember I had trouble sleeping, and eating.  I 
>>also had strange storylines going through my head, and I believed everyone of 
>>them.  (I know this all sounds wierd but please bear with me). Anyway to make 
>a >long story short,at age 31 I was diagnosed with manic depression....but 
>what I >don't tell the doctors is that almost all of the 'storylines' that 
>went on in >my head when I was going through mania have come to pass in the 
>last five >years..!
 
Hello!
 
My "best" friend became bored with me (she into thrill-seeking and 
motorcycles, I more into intellectual pursuits), and rather than be 
straight about it (as she still needed me to dump her emotional problems 
on), she suggested I see a psychic friend of hers about my "strange 
behavior" (staying awake at all hours, talking too much about the 
metaphysical, etc.). This "psychic" manipulated me, dumped on me, pumped me 
for insights she herself could use, etc. It was an incomprehensible mess. I 
felt drained of energy, doomed, hopeless and worthless when I left. My 
"friend" seemed angry with me for being such a "wimp" about it.
 
Our friendship of about 10 years ended soon after that. My boyfriend also 
withdrew from me. I slept and ate little. I remember thinking that someday 
everyone in the world will have this period of "crazyness." I didn't see it 
as K. or "awakening" or anything positive, just that it was an inevitable 
happening due to the pressures of modern living, pollution, information 
overload, worldwide violence, etc.
 
This storylines thing is also familiar. I am embarrassed to admit this, but 
most of my storylines end up on tv, rather than in real life (amckeon 
"television psychic," heh). Although "South Park" has totally taken me by 
surprise, but I digress (what else is new?) And at the time I "dreamt" 
them, I wasn't even watching that much. I do now though!
 
I also was "diagnosed", but not with manic depression... When will the DSM 
update it's descriptions to include "Kundalini Disorder." That I'd like to 
see! ;-P~
 
Anyhoo, this was many years ago for me, my K. has cooled to a wee pilot 
light, sometimes I miss it, and then I have to remind myself how the 
occassional ecstacy never balanced the pain, fear, and confusion.
 
You are very lucky to have found this list at this time. Drink of the 
wisdom and support that is here. Absorb what is useful to you and discard 
the rest. Time (whether an illusion or not :)) is a great healer in itself. 
Faith and prayer also help tremendously, not to mention a good 
multi-vitamin :).
 
welcome to the list! 
amckeon 
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 13:17:47 -0700 
From: John Otis <sacredwindATnospamusa.net> 
To: sacredwindATnospamusa.net 
Subject: Lessons from the Soul  - #37 
Message-ID: <346E036B.66B1ATnospamlaplaza.org> 
Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------79D34CDB6744"
 
Greetings from the Hill of Light,
 
What a beautiful day!  We had eight inches of snow last night, I have 
plowed our road which is 3/4 of a mile down to the highway.  The sun has 
come out and we just came in from a great hour or so of cross-country 
skiing.  It is like a picture postcard everywhere we look.  As we 
meandered through the aspens and pines, pushed down the road following 
the trail we blazed as we hiked up earlier, we were constantly reminded 
of the beauty and harmony of nature, of Life, of the natural flow of 
existence through which we are energized to manifest consciousness in 
every phase of our life as embodied souls.  The only reaction to this 
infinite statement of the beauty of creation is to consciously say 
'thank you' for every sparkle, for everything experienced, for each and 
every soul encountered along the path.  There is a reflection of Truth, 
a statement of infinite Intelligence offered from each and every 
experience.  As there is a merging of that which is observed with that 
which is known from the soul perspective, the joy of Love being 
expressed as Light, manifesting as Life embraces the entirety of soul 
consciousness.  
 
May each step along the path be soft, gentle, and full of Love.  Nothing 
else matters!
 
Blessings of Love and Light,
 
John and Cheryl
 
Note:  If for any reason you wish to unsubscribe from the 
Sacred Wind list, send us an email at your convenience! 
Thanks! <sacredwindATnospamusa.net>
 
>From the Land of Enchantment
 
<sacredwindATnospamusa.net> 
<http://www.observations.org/sacredwind.html> 
    HOW AND WHY DO YOU REACT? 
   
   
In the process of awakening, there are points that appear to 
be  discreet moments of connection and, as these points  are 
woven  together,  it is seen and known that  all  points  of 
consciousness,  all  points  of  awareness  are   connected. 
Nothing  can exist separate from the whole.  It only appears 
that way from the human perspective.
 
There  is a continuum of consciousness that is infinite  and 
all   encompassing.    There  are   observations   of   this 
consciousness by the soul.  There are points of awareness of 
this  consciousness where insights, as they are called,  are 
gained  that  push the boundaries of perception beyond  that 
which  has  previously  been  accepted.    These  points  of 
awareness  weave  together  the  tapestry  of  the  infinite 
consciousness of existence.
 
It  is  important  to recognize that along this  pathway  of 
awakening  to this infinite consciousness there  are  indeed 
moments  when it is like coming to a rest stop  where  there 
are  activities  taking place.  There are often  attachments 
and  reactions  to that which is being observed.   Reactions 
are  most interesting for, if you look at the word  you  use 
for  this phenomenon of becoming involved in the limited and 
temporary  expression of creation at any given  moment,  you 
find  that  reacting means you will have  to  act  again  to 
discover  the process of becoming unattached and  uninvolved 
in that to which you reacted..
 
Reacting  is  acting over and over and  over  again  as  the 
points of attachment become understood and then known,  then 
released, and then let go of in every respect.  So  consider 
that  to  which you react.  Consider the motivation for  the 
reaction.   Is  it  because of a challenge to  one's  belief 
system?   If that is so, perhaps it is important to consider 
the belief system that you are holding on to so tightly.  Is 
the  belief  system created out of the paradigm  of  earthly 
three  dimensional existence offering a structure  in  one's 
environment  for  the  purpose  of  trying  to  define   the 
undefinable?
 
Belief systems are temporal.  They, too, will pass with time 
and  should  be  released from one's  consciousness.   If  a 
reaction  is indeed based upon the foundation of an  assumed 
reality  of  a belief system, then perhaps there  should  be 
some consideration as to why one would hold onto that belief 
system.
 
Is  the  reaction perhaps one that challenges the ego  where 
there  is  such a desire within the ego to be right  and  to 
have  control?   If that is the point of reference  for  the 
reaction,   perhaps  the  purpose  of  the  ego  should   be 
considered.   The ego is like a transportation vehicle.   It 
takes  you  from  point  A to point B,  but  once  you  have 
arrived,  you  don't need it any more.  The ego  is  like  a 
survival mechanism for working one's way through the  morass 
and vicissitudes of three dimensional existence.  The ego is 
like  a  reflective teacher.  As there are responses to  and 
involvement  in  the  created  environment  from   the   ego 
perspective,  the  ego  is  saying,  I  am  separate,  I  am 
important, I have values and rights.  I am a separate entity 
and   need   to  maintain  that  separateness.    As   these 
considerations  are reflected upon, you can  see  that  such 
conditions of the ego are indeed temporary passages  through 
cycles  of  learning.  When you then arrive at understanding 
what  the  ego really is, it is easy simply to  discard  it. 
Consider  if  the  reaction to an event, a statement,  or  a 
projection   by  another  soul  is  indeed  from   the   ego 
perspective,  and  if so, consider the vanquishing  of  that 
ego.
 
Is  the  reaction one of fear, perhaps not  knowing  or  not 
being  accepted?   Is  the fear of endangerment  because  of 
certain  conditions  that may or  may  not  exist?   If  the 
reaction is based on fear, it is important to recognize what 
fear is.  Fear is simply lack of knowing.  When you know the 
truth  of your existence, what is there to fear?  You  as  a 
soul  are  immortal.  You as a soul are a complete statement 
of the creative essence of the universe.  You, as a soul, as 
reflected  in  the Attributes of the Soul,  are  a  complete 
statement  of the beauty, the harmony, the might, the  life, 
the  truth,  the reality of all creation.  There is  nothing 
lacking.
 
To perceive something that is limited and to be fearful then 
of  that which is beyond what is accepted for the moment can 
only  lead one into a temporary holding pattern.   The  fear 
will  eventually be dissolved as alignment is made with  the 
eternal realities of soul consciousness.
 
So  you  see,  these  are some examples of  the  pattern  of 
reaction.  Consider why you react, why you respond, what the 
motivation is, what the foundation is for that urge to react 
to  any externalized condition.  As you do so, that which is 
the  foundation upon which reactions are based  will  be  is 
released  and let go.  The pathway to inner revelation,  the 
inner pathway to knowing the truth will slowly be revealed.
 
It  is  all  a  pattern of alignment.  It is  a  pattern  of 
releasing.  It is a pattern of learning.  It is a pattern of 
remembering who you are as a divine ray of the very  essence 
of  creation.  You are Love.  You are Light.  You are  Life. 
You  are  the Creator in action.  You are the perfection  of 
creation.   You, as a soul, are immortal.  You  are  a  soul 
that  is part of and one with all creation.  Know the  truth 
of your existence.  Be that truth.
 
ALIGN:  71031 
     THE VEIL OF SEPARATION 
   
   
We come from the depths of the consciousness of Oneness.  We 
come  as the collective statement of the expression of being 
that is the consciousness of I AM.  We come from that point, 
from that singular point of consciousness that contains all, 
that  is all, that is the radiant beam of the Source of all, 
the Source of Love carried forth on the beam of Light energy 
manifesting as all created experience and expressions.
 
There  is  a veil of separation that appears to be at  times 
impenetrable.  There is this veil of separation that  allows 
one  to  approach the edge of Reality, but then the response 
is to remain in the illusion of the created environment.  We 
say  illusion,  but  it is not really an  illusion.   It  is 
simply  an  alternate reality.  It is the reality  that  has 
been  assumed  because  of the attachment,  because  of  the 
involvement  in  the assumed reality.  If you  look  deeply, 
satisfaction  and comfort comes from being contained  within 
an    externalized   environment   that   has    boundaries, 
limitations,   and   definitions.   To   go   beyond   those 
limitations, which are very three dimensional,  is  to  move 
through  this  veil  of separation and  to  blend  with  the 
infinite  statement of energy that is being presented  on  a 
moment  by moment eternal basis from the Source of all  into 
the created essence of the continuum of existence.
 
It  is  so much a part of the three dimensional world to  be 
looking at a component and saying this is it.  It is so much 
a  part  of the three dimensional world to be reflecting  on 
concepts  that  have  definition, have  description  through 
words that in turn have predisposed meanings that have  been 
ingrained into the understanding of the mental being that is 
observing such conditions.  It is by circulating within this 
limited perception that one gains then a comfort for  within 
that which is known, that which is perceived and understood.
 
The  world  of three dimensional thinking and activity  does 
have  its boundaries.  We have discussed this often in terms 
of  even  the universe in which you find yourself.   From  a 
physical  perspective, the universe seems  quite  vast.   It 
seems  as though it is nearly unlimited, but that is  simply 
the  physical universe.  We have often mentioned that beyond 
the  physical universe there is what we call the  omni-verse 
that is infinite in scope.  It is simply the presence of the 
essence of creation in and as and through all existence, not 
simply  the  physical existence.  So you see, this  veil  of 
separation  is  but  a  constructed medium  that  the  three 
dimensional  mind,  emotions, and physical  conditions  have 
embraced in order to provide an arena of defined activity.
 
In  your meditation, in your times of inner reflection,  you 
penetrate this veil of separation.  You see beyond; you have 
feelings,  and  sometimes  visions.   You  have  points   of 
connection  that are very real, but from the  worldly  three 
dimensional  perspective seem, let us  say,  other  worldly. 
There  are  those  points of inspiration.  There  are  those 
moments of expression that come into your consciousness, not 
from  the  manipulative activities of the three  dimensional 
existence,  but from the infinite foundation and  expression 
of  the  creative energy of the omni-verse.  This  is  where 
inspiration   comes  for  what  manifests  as  art,   music, 
writings,  poetry,  as creative expressions  take  form  and 
substance within the three dimensional world.
 
There  is  always the Source.  There is always a channel  of 
expression  that connects to an ever more vast and  infinite 
reservoir  of  creative energy.  The soul is the  link.  The 
consciousness of the soul is the manifestation of that link. 
The  consciousness  of the soul is the knowingness  of  that 
link   expressing   in  and  through  all  activities,   all 
expressions.  The veil of separation is not  permanent.   It 
is instantly transmuted and transcended through recognizing, 
identifying with, and realizing that there is no separation, 
that  you  are not a body and a soul.  You are  simply  soul 
consciousness manifesting.  It is that simple.   Within  the 
context  of  soul consciousness, within the context  of  the 
makeup  of  the  soul  as  a  total  and  complete  infinite 
statement of creation, are all of the attributes of creation 
which we call the Attributes of the Soul.
 
Reflect  on  these attributes.  Feel the source  from  which 
these attributes emanate.  Feel how each of these attributes 
come  into  manifestation through the consciousness  of  the 
soul that is manifesting in the physical environment or, for 
that matter, in any point of the environment of the infinite 
expression of creation.  Reflect on, meditate on, merge with 
these   Attributes   of  the  Soul.   The   attributes   are 
collectively  the well-oiled key that opens the  lock,  that 
penetrates  the veil of separation, and provides the  avenue 
of   expression  that  is  consistent  in  each  moment   of 
expression with the reality of who you really are as a soul.
 
It  is time to set aside all that would hold one in the grip 
of three dimensional thinking, acting, and associations.  It 
is  time  to  see  all creation from the singular  point  of 
awareness  that  is  beyond the veil of separation  that  is 
contained within the pure consciousness of soul reality.
 
It is time.  It is time.
 
I  AM  simply  I AM, the Love, the Light, and  the  Life  of 
creation.
 
PERCPT:  71003 
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 22:17:46 +0100 
From: "Jason S. White" <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch> 
To: Jim R Christopherson <jim.christophersonATnospamjuno.com>, 
 Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: Re: Time 
Message-ID: <346E117A.A7FF5093ATnospambluewin.ch> 
 
Jim R Christopherson wrote:
 
> Talking about watches, I had an idea a few years ago to invent a watch 
> with no inner workings and a face that just reads, "NOW" 
> 
 
LOL!  BEAUTIFUL, I LOVE IT!!!  :) 
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 13:20:14 -0800 (PST) 
From: merlinATnospampnn.com 
To: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org> 
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: sorrow after k experience 
Message-Id: <199711152120.NAA04345ATnospampnn.com>
 
Debora wrote:				Blythe responds:
 
>i have wandered			September and October 
>it seems				Found me home 
>for centuries				In golden, glowing joy. 
>looking for my home.			Landscapes both inside  
     And out 
>Every house				Were luminous with my 
>eventually 				Own self. 
>decayed into				I was at home with  
>ruin.					Me. 
     At last.
 
>i was one 				One quick bounce. 
>who put her hands			I find myself- Again- 
>in the fire				In need of learning 
and called 'HOT!'			What is ground. 
     What is center. 
and today				What is home. 
i am 					 
not seperate 
from those				B 
beings. 
 
the  
everbranching 
reality 
that forms 
in every single 
atom 
of every single 
being
 
connecting me 
to the View  
to the point 
i cant 
point 
to me  
anymore.
 
then only then 
is there somewhere 
like 
home. 
 
om ah hung vajra guru padme siddhi hung!
 
now if inner 
can equal outer
 
there may be 
progress made.
 
--dao
 
 
<---- End Included Message ----> 
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 14:57:22 -0000 
From: "F. Drew " <leydaATnospamvalunet.com> 
To: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>, "iri" <iriATnospamivyrealty.com> 
Subject: Re: compelled to write the following verse-WHY? 
Message-Id: <01bcf1d6$c997dec0$LocalHostATnospamdefault.valunet.com> 
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 charset="iso-8859-1" 
 
>my voice is in the wind 
>it whispers thru the trees 
>and when I settle as a cloud upon the land, the earth does shake mightily 
>the tides rise up to greet me 
>the earth spews forth its flame and rock 
>it billows smoke when it states its ire 
>for as I live in the great here and now 
>so do you all, for you are of me 
>a day for you is but a twinkle of an eye for me 
>each day for me is, as some have called it, a thousand of your linear years 
******************** 
Sounds like a lot of anger to me. 
* 
Drew 
" So Far; So Good " 
leydaATnospamvalunet.com 
Date: 	Sat, 15 Nov 1997 13:02:09 -1000 
From: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com 
Subject: Suffering 
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Hi Tim: I have been watching the tone in your letters improve. Seems like 
the dark night of the soul might be turning a little grey.  I was reading 
something by Ken Carey and he said that the night is always darkest before 
the dawn comes.. it comes gently.. not in a bit splendour at first, but 
quiet rays of soft hues that slowly swallow the night. From night one can 
look at the light.. from light can one see darkness?  Thus it is as if you 
are being given the opportunity to see which one you choose...  
You say:  
 >> Many 
traditions seem to find that suffering by one person can alleviate the 
suffering of others.  The Native Americans have that sundance ritual, the 
one where they put hooks in your cheast and to get out of them, you rip 
yourself out of them, after a day to three I think.  I think it's 
portrayed in the movie, 'A Man Called Horse'.  I myself begin to wonder if 
suffering is a universal karma.  A great block in the consciousness of 
God.  
>> 
Suffering for anyone on a spiritual path in this time, is sort of par for 
the course... I don't know of anyway around it.. unless you came here 
fully light and without any work to do!  I feel that it isabout the work 
we committed to.. and there is always a place no matter how dark it seems 
where one can just sit and observe the one who is suffereing.. and realise 
that "I am not THAT pain."  This is an enormous boon...a great key to all 
matters in 3rd dimension.. the space where  there is never any suffering 
or pain, or even excitement.. it is the eternal witness.. Home!   
Most of the people on this list seem to have gone through this depths of 
darkness.. the dark night of the soul...we all survived and I for one have 
absolutely no blame I feel to put anywhere but squarely with my own 
choices.  
I hope you feel proud to be bearing the burden of pain for others who are 
less aware and awake than you are. I know I do. But then I have been a fan 
of Jesus fora long time. 
Take care... Ruth  
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Date: 	Sat, 15 Nov 1997 13:07:17 -1000 
From: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com 
Subject: ShriRamana Maharshi 
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Hi Harsh Luthar:  
You wrote:  
>>>By divine grace, I found the right 
spiritual teacher for me. After that Ramana Maharishi started to appear 
in my dreams to guide me and was very kind to me. Eventually Shakti 
started rising in meditation in a normal way. Superconscious states and 
experiences became natrual and easy. I was not yet 24, when one day in 
Kevala Nirvikalpa Samadhi, I realized experientially the core of my 
being as pure Sat-Chit-Ananda. 
>  
I have had similar grace from this incredible being.. and learnd a lot 
about what this whole path is about.. not visions, not unconscious bliss, 
but total clear here and now at the moment awareness without any 
stickiness or dependency.  Quite amazing...  Check him out... 
 .Ruth 
 
 
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