1997/11/13 07:35
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #748
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 748
Today's Topics:
Illusion What Illusion? [ Susanne Macrae <smacraeATnospamcamtech.net ]
Working with Spirit [ Nancy <NancyATnospamwtp.net> ]
Re: Watches and Equipment [ Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin. ]
Re: Fwd: Returned mail: User unknown [ Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin. ]
Unsubscribe me please. [ Tim Duna <tdunaATnospamlax.net> ]
Do Not Open These Virus E-Mails [ "L. D. McClanahan, Ph.D." <ldmcclATnospame ]
Re: FW: Energy fields and the body [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: Illusion what illusion? [ Rik Wallace <rik_wATnospamrocketmail.com> ]
Re: Illusion What Illusion? [ dante rosati <danteATnospampop.interport.n ]
Re: Unsubscribe me please. [ Tim Duna <tdunaATnospamlax.net> ]
As long as I'm still on... [ Tim Duna <tdunaATnospamlax.net> ]
Re: Working with Spirit [ E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com> ]
Re: As long as I'm still on... [ E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com> ]
Re: As long as I'm still on... [ valerian <madammumATnospamptialaska.net> ]
shining trees and other things [ UweJohannATnospamaol.com ]
Re: As long as I'm still on... [ "Harsh K. Luthar" <hlutharATnospamresearch ]
Introduction [ Lorianna Burkes <lady_enchantmentATnospamy ]
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:15:33 +1030
From: Susanne Macrae <smacraeATnospamcamtech.net.au>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Illusion What Illusion?
Message-ID: <346A3F9D.583EATnospamcamtech.net.au>
The Illusion is the BIG PICTURE.
We are living scene by scene and are immersed in our current act or
drama. The only time we can see the BIG PICTURE is when we finish the
movie and are no longer playing our part. It is up to each of us when
we choose to stop acting.
Love, Sue
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 19:20:22 +0000
From: Nancy <NancyATnospamwtp.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Working with Spirit
Message-ID: <346A0174.2523ATnospamwtp.net>
In response to the Monksville or Bust e-mail, several people have
responded that one can embrace spirit no matter what the
situation...even working in an office setting.
I have to tell you that I am have great difficulty with this. I started
a new job about six weeks ago. I've been having fun being the
hero...doing the impossible, working more than anyone else, coming up
with the creative idea, using my intuition to circumvent issues before
they become problem.
Today I realized that I was falling back into the old pattern I had
emerged from. Prior to this new job I had been hardly working. It was
nice in a way because I became much more balanced. Now I find myself
tired, not exercising, not doing yoga, meditation, reading,
writing...all the things that help me become more centered.
I didn't even know this was happening until this week. A couple of
issues were becoming problems. I found myself beginning to become
enraged. I have been so full of adreneline, pumped up and ready to
attack. Today I had lunch with a friend who I had confronted about work.
It really blew up into a nasty situation. Today we cleared the air and
she commented on my frentic energy. You mean...maybe I have a part in
this??? :} ha ha
This wildly creative energy and intuition is a great asset at work but
it also has its shadow side. It's hard to not fall in this trap again.
Anyone else have this issue? What have you done to keep yourself
balanced?
Frantic minds want to know.
Nancy
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 22:13:33 -0500 (EST)
From: Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin.umich.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Watches and Equipment
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A few days ago, I realized there was a great difference between
the skin on my wrist and the skin on my hand. During winter, my hands
would become chapped and raw. Recently, I felt my body was ignoring my
hands, or at least the top half of each hand especially below the little
finger. I didn't feel energy flowed there as efficiently as everywhere
else in my body. I felt perturbed by this and asked my body why it
ignored my hands.
After reading your mailings, I removed my huge calculator, battery
powered watch, and I feel better already. Lets see if my hands improve.
I think that either the body gives in to the foreign magnetic
fields or the magnetic fields are interrupted by the body depending on
which is stronger. Perhaps I'm more sympathetic to my watch than most and
my body adjusted to it rather than the opposite.
Just a theory.
Dan
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 22:30:35 -0500 (EST)
From: Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin.umich.edu>
To: CDeepaATnospamaol.com
cc: kundalini-LATnospamexecpc.com
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> sense.....and seems absolutly unthinkable......but....I think....that little
> by little....people will see....not with their minds.....but in some other
> way....that this is an illusion.......it will be revealed
> somehow....to..us....to me and u....sometime...when...we are..ready....or
> something like that.....
Reminds me of the times when I wanted to become psychic. I
finally told myself that I wouldn't be able to know the minds of others
unless it was painless to both of us. So, I decided to seek
enlightenment, cleaned up the dust bunnies in my mind, and Voila!
Dan
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 21:33:12 -0600
From: Tim Duna <tdunaATnospamlax.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Unsubscribe me please.
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Hello,
I'd like to be removed from the list please. You guys should really get
this thing fixed...
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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 21:27:34 -0600
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>Tim
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>At 08:31 AM 11/12/97 -0600, you wrote:
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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 23:49:03 -0500
From: "L. D. McClanahan, Ph.D." <ldmcclATnospameurekanet.com>
To: k-list <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Do Not Open These Virus E-Mails
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Kundalini List;
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:07:01 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Mike Stickles <msticklesATnospamantalys.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, HeleniliusATnospamaol.com
Subject: Re: FW: Energy fields and the body
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Mike Stickles wrote:
>
> I have
> > another
> > question/observation regarding the link between spirituality and
> > environmental sensitivity. I work in medicine, and notice that the
> > environmental disease patients seem to have a greater spiritual
> > sensitivity
> > and energy when compared to the general public. Anyone know anything
> > about
> > this? I am new on the list but i didn't get to post an introduction
> > questionaire as the server was down.
Mike and others,
I have been dealing with kundalini my whole life, the electrical things
seem to be effected by the ebb and flow of the k energy. I have had many
phonemona things happen, like a set of lamps I bought for my sister,
they didn't work at all unless I walked into the room and then they
would come on by themselves. It just freaked my sister, she got rid of
them. (this was over 30 years ago)
Computers do tend to go crazy at times, watches, that kind of stuff. In
the past seven or eight years I became sensitive to my environment to
the point that I had to carry a shot with me in case I was stung by a
bee. I was allergic to sound, vapor, smells, everything that grew, etc.
That has calmed down also, thank goodness. I can be around flowers
without swelling now, and I am not so sensitive to smells. I think this
came on after my last back surgery when I was given drugs. My body is
extremely sensitive to anything going in. Before that they had run a cat
scan on my brain and almost killed me with the iodine, after the iodine
I became sensitive to everything. The body seems to run on a very
delicate thread. I won't go through the medical system anymore as I did
before. I've learned that what doesn't effect others in way of
intrussion to the body isn't the same for those working the
enlightenment process.
I can tell you I am doing fantastic now. But I am aware, very aware of
projections, thoughts, energies in all forms, and frequencies. My body
is an instrument, and it wants to react to everything going on around
me. Or, it is reaching out to absorb and transform everything that is
around me. This is probably more accurate. Gloria
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at:
http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/
&
http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/
Hope you enjoy them!
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 21:52:15 -0800 (PST)
From: Rik Wallace <rik_wATnospamrocketmail.com>
To: d.dambiecATnospamstudent.canberra.edu.au, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Cc: rik_wATnospamrocketmail.com
Subject: Re: Illusion what illusion?
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---Dieter Dambiec <d.dambiecATnospamstudent.canberra.edu.au> wrote:
> I just don't go along with the illusion stuff. You can't just say
something is an illusion. That's just a statement the premise for
which is not explained.
I will agree with you, Dieter. Saying "reality is an illusion" may
be a good thought-provoker, but in the long run, i believe it works
much more nicely to say that there are many possible views of reality
other than the "common sense" one most people are accustomed to.
Reality simply appears differently from different perspectives.
None is less "real" than any other. Holding a "grand illusion"
perspective I feel is like saying that people don't really have
faces, b/c if you were able to see them from the back, you'd see
that there is no face. Isn't that kinda silly? :)
To echo Dieter in another way, in order to have an "illusion",
we must have some piece of "objective reality" to contrast it to.
If everything is an illusion, what are we comparing it to?
But even having something objective to compare our "illusive"
view to, some philosophical rigor would demand that our "illusion"
is just as much a part of Reality as the thing we're comparing it to.
It's real as an _Illusion_. It's just the same piece of reality
from another perspective.
I still think it's ok to casually say "reality is a big illusion" -
as long as we know exactly what we mean when we say it.
RELATIVE to our "enlightened" perspctives, the material common-sense
reality is an illusion, yes. But from the material common-sense
perspective, our kundalini hallucinations are also illusions.
Does that make sense? Am I being clear enough? Illusions are
necessarily defined _relative_ to something else. But objectively,
an illusion is a REAL phenomenon of seeing something from an altered
perspective.
I hope I'm making sense, and not being TOO abstract, tho this IS
a very abstract and difficult topic... basically all of philosophy
since Descartes. :) Tho I also get the sense that nobody here's
REALLY arguing this point, and Dieter is just asking for some
"precision of speech." Is that the general sense here?
Thanks for your brilliant posts Dieter. Keep 'em coming.
Love and chocolate sprinkles -rik
ps. ok changed my mind ;)) i guess i HAVE had some gripes with
a lot of talk along the lines of "there is one reality and we k'ers
are fortunate enough to glimpse it, while the others are just watching
a made-for-TV movie." Which is nonsense, b/c there's nothing unreal
about TV! really - tho it may be an odd thing to say... it's _TV_
and it's meant to be viewed _as TV_, as a phenomenon in itself.
This is sort of an important point for seekers, b/c the practice
of judging one perspective from an outsider perspective as "less real"
or "less truthful" is what keeps one relegated to the role of "seeker"
rather than "BE-er". It's all part of reality, and part of the
God-quest is to embrace all perspectives. Consider Compassion...
the art of not judging from one's own perspectives but of absorbing
others'. Others' perspectives are no less valid, for they are as real
as anyone elses. Embrace them as facets of your own. /end gripe
Send feedback - I'd like to know how this transmission's coming in...
I need YOUR perspectives. Happitude 2 U all....
__
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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 03:04:18 -0500
From: dante rosati <danteATnospampop.interport.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Illusion What Illusion?
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>The Illusion is the BIG PICTURE.
>
>We are living scene by scene and are immersed in our current act or
>drama. The only time we can see the BIG PICTURE is when we finish the
>movie and are no longer playing our part. It is up to each of us when
>we choose to stop acting.
>
>Love, Sue
I think its possible to see the big picture, (or, "bigger" pictures -
there's always multiple levels) at the same time one is immersed. "Acting"
should not mean "being false", but rather "manifesting in this realm". That
way, we stop "acting" (on this plane) when we die.
>watching yourself "acting"< is, in a way, "seeing the big picture", for
>with the self-awareness of simultaneous action/observation we become gods
>and goddesses.
In Bergman's "Fanny and Alexandre", the character of the grandmother, who
had herself been an actress, says that we all have our parts to play. Some
play theirs carelessly, others with great diligence. Those who are acting
without self awareness are playing their parts "carelessly". With the
attainment of self awareness, the "bird's eye view" gives one the freedom
to craft one's "roles" in more imaginative, creative ways. For what else is
that "bird's eye view" but the eye of the One.?
dante
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 02:30:47 -0600
From: Tim Duna <tdunaATnospamlax.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Unsubscribe me please.
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At 11:34 PM 11/12/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Maybe you should think twice about unsubscribing.
>Figure out why this is happening yet?
>
>Namaste,
>
>Denise
No, thank you, I'll think once. I was on here before and know all
about here. It's too much mail, and it's not good for my energy right now.
Tim
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 02:55:28 -0600
From: Tim Duna <tdunaATnospamlax.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: As long as I'm still on...
Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19971113085528.0067fd68ATnospammail.execpc.com>
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You've guys have been writing really pretty poetry. Here's something from
reality. It is more poetry story, and I don't care if the punctuation is
right or not, it was written not too long ago in misery. And I don't need
'help', I don't need any bullshit crappy two bit advice for me. I don't
need to 'center in the fuckin heart' and I don't need to align with divine
will. These things are bullshit and meaningless to me. When all of you
grow up and get high level tears in your aura coupled with K, let's see how
you fare.
I suffer on my cross that no-one sees. My pain breaks into a million parts,
yet no-one hears. Garbled torture seeps to those with talking
hearts---guilt and shame we all shall have! I speak from my endless well, a
well for the damned.
For no-one *knows* my pain
I wish I could cry, but crying equates more suffering. I could tear myself
from my stakes, yet I won't die. Mercy is not my fate, only cascading
pushing, And like the heroin addict, just enough to get me by.
You will rarely hear my voice, for it cannot speak. For it knows it won't
bring an end to it's own fury. Only "God" has that choice, and He's a
fuckin' asshole, so I will drink alone, forever by myself with noone to help...
Thanks be to God.
Tim
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 11:32:04 -0800
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, NancyATnospamwtp.net
Subject: Re: Working with Spirit
Message-ID: <346B55B4.596ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
Nancy wrote:
> This wildly creative energy and intuition is a great asset at work but
> it also has its shadow side. It's hard to not fall in this trap again.
>
> Anyone else have this issue? What have you done to keep yourself
> balanced?
>
> Frantic minds want to know.
>
> Nancy
Take a moment when you need it to remember and focus.
Take that moment often.
One day the moment will take you . . .
Be Centered
Most Kind Regards
Lobster
God works in mysterious ways but
the bizarre.
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 11:48:52 -0800
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: jan.watsonATnospamsympatico.ca, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: As long as I'm still on...
Message-ID: <346B59A4.14FDATnospamdial.pipex.com>
Tim Duna wrote:
>
> You've guys have been writing really pretty poetry. Here's something from
> reality.
Timmy,
Sweat Heart,
Would you like to sell your soul to Satan - you may get a refund?
> It is more poetry story, and I don't care if the punctuation is
> right or not, it was written not too long ago in misery. And I don't need
> 'help', I don't need any bullshit crappy two bit advice for me. I don't
> need to 'center in the fuckin heart' and I don't need to align with divine
> will. These things are bullshit and meaningless to me. When all of you
> grow up and get high level tears in your aura coupled with K, let's see how
> you fare.
We will get very very angry and swear and stomp our little feet.
and say:
O God I hate you
You are a pain
Get off my back
Leave me alone
> I suffer on my cross that no-one sees. My pain breaks into a million parts,
> yet no-one hears. Garbled torture seeps to those with talking
> hearts---guilt and shame we all shall have! I speak from my endless well, a
> well for the damned.
> For no-one *knows* my pain
Nobody is interested in your pain - least of all you.
> I wish I could cry, but crying equates more suffering. I could tear myself
> from my stakes, yet I won't die. Mercy is not my fate, only cascading
> pushing, And like the heroin addict, just enough to get me by.
Yeah right on!
God - who needs Her.
Give me a woman any day . . .
> You will rarely hear my voice, for it cannot speak. For it knows it won't
> bring an end to it's own fury. Only "God" has that choice, and He's a
> fuckin' asshole, so I will drink alone, forever by myself with noone to help...
>
> Thanks be to God.
Amen
Most Unkind Disrespect
Lobster (miserable useless bastard)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 04:49:52 -0800
From: valerian <madammumATnospamptialaska.net>
To: Tim Duna <tdunaATnospamlax.net>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: As long as I'm still on...
Message-ID: <346AF766.425AATnospamptialaska.net>
Tim Duna wrote:
>
> You've guys have been writing really pretty poetry. Here's something from
> reality. It is more poetry story, and I don't care if the punctuation is
> right or not, it was written not too long ago in misery. And I don't need
> 'help', I don't need any bullshit crappy two bit advice for me. I don't
> need to 'center in the fuckin heart' and I don't need to align with divine
> will. These things are bullshit and meaningless to me. When all of you
> grow up and get high level tears in your aura coupled with K, let's see how
> you fare.
>
> I suffer on my cross that no-one sees. My pain breaks into a million parts,
> yet no-one hears. Garbled torture seeps to those with talking
> hearts---guilt and shame we all shall have! I speak from my endless well, a
> well for the damned.
> For no-one *knows* my pain
>
> I wish I could cry, but crying equates more suffering. I could tear myself
> from my stakes, yet I won't die. Mercy is not my fate, only cascading
> pushing, And like the heroin addict, just enough to get me by.
>
> You will rarely hear my voice, for it cannot speak. For it knows it won't
> bring an end to it's own fury. Only "God" has that choice, and He's a
> fuckin' asshole, so I will drink alone, forever by myself with noone to help...
tim -
self-medication for severe depression is a common theme in creative
persons with *mood swings*.
objectively, i must point out that, either due to alcohol (or
whatever) or due to your self-imposed cage of loneliness,
you seem to consider yourself, & your pain as *different* or removed
from 'the human condition'. it is not. your pain is no different from
any one else's pain; just experienced by you, so you are having
difficulty relating more objectively.
you won't find anyone who can convince you of anything, either online
or *meat time* when you have already condemned everyone in general as
*ignorant* & *unfeeling* & god is an asshole. god is not an asshole.
this is all illusion coming from your pain stricken libido. i don't
have a clue of your relative position to 'kundalini-awakening'.
do you have any spiritual life? meditation? stretching or yoga?
sounds like taking up *running* might give your pain a kick in the butt!
run & run & run until everything makes sense, okay?
v
ps (when in doubt, take a whole lot of very deep breaths...)
--
valerie cooper
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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:10:21 -0500 (EST)
From: UweJohannATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: shining trees and other things
Message-ID: <971113081021_1937275654ATnospammrin44.mail.aol.com>
Hello dear folks,
I have questions about two symptoms, they occure in the last days.
The first, I want to tell you:
Monday evening, I was going in for sports, I'm doing it for my faulty back
since some month, back'n stretch it's called, a special kind of airobic only
for the back.
During this action sometimes i wonder, because it seems that the light has
changed a little bit clearly, but next day it will come better.....
I was on my way home from my job, driving with my bike across the city, I'm
living in. Suddenly, I was on the way through a park with old, big chestnut
trees and they where looking as they where shining. I thought it couldn't be
true, and a unpronounceable feeling rises in me I can only discribe it as
absolute or unconditional love. Everything around me was shining, I had to
shout for joy......
Next morning it happend for a short moment again on my way to the job.
The second:
Since this monday there is a lasting tingling my thigh, left and right side
and on chakra one (root chakra).
In this connection I feel my Chakras 6 and 7 are always working (active or
so) since I made a course for healing with energy. And since I am reading
this posts I was stimulated to focus on Chakra 4 (heart) and 5 (throat, here
I have a block I belief and feel) for longer time.
These symptoms are new for me, it is very pleasant, I enjoy it. I want to
know, from your experienced point of view (Kundalini was some month ago a
foreign word for me) if it is better now to pay attention to something or let
things ride as they do.
I meditate, maybe 3 years, in the last year up to 2-3 h/day, simple shamata,
and some exercice to spin the chakras, I learned it from the master of
"spiritual human yoga". It is only a carefullness on the centers one by one
until there is a feeling, thats all, no other yoga, or other techniques.
Please let me know if you think, it's necessary to do thomething or not.
Many thank for your advice
Love and light (......makes more sense to me now)
Uwe
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:27:47 -0500
From: "Harsh K. Luthar" <hlutharATnospamresearch1.bryant.edu>
To: Tim Duna <tdunaATnospamlax.net>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: As long as I'm still on...
Message-ID: <346B0E63.890ATnospamacad.bryant.edu>
I felt so sad having read this message. May God bless you and ease your
pain and suffering.
Tim Duna wrote:
>
> You've guys have been writing really pretty poetry. Here's something from
> reality. It is more poetry story, and I don't care if the punctuation is
> right or not, it was written not too long ago in misery. And I don't need
> 'help', I don't need any bullshit crappy two bit advice for me. I don't
> need to 'center in the fuckin heart' and I don't need to align with divine
> will. These things are bullshit and meaningless to me. When all of you
> grow up and get high level tears in your aura coupled with K, let's see how
> you fare.
>
> I suffer on my cross that no-one sees. My pain breaks into a million parts,
> yet no-one hears. Garbled torture seeps to those with talking
> hearts---guilt and shame we all shall have! I speak from my endless well, a
> well for the damned.
> For no-one *knows* my pain
>
> I wish I could cry, but crying equates more suffering. I could tear myself
> from my stakes, yet I won't die. Mercy is not my fate, only cascading
> pushing, And like the heroin addict, just enough to get me by.
>
> You will rarely hear my voice, for it cannot speak. For it knows it won't
> bring an end to it's own fury. Only "God" has that choice, and He's a
> fuckin' asshole, so I will drink alone, forever by myself with noone to help...
>
> Thanks be to God.
>
> Tim
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 05:39:25 -0800 (PST)
From: Lorianna Burkes <lady_enchantmentATnospamyahoo.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Introduction
Message-ID: <19971113133925.3936.rocketmailATnospamsend1b.yahoomail.com>
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Greetings! My name is Lorianna and i have just recently been
introduced to Kundalini by a dear new friend....*smiles at Antione*...
I am a Reiki practicioner, so i do know something about
chakras...where they are located and how to open them...but it is
still an on going lesson for me as i have only been practicing Reiki
for 9 months and am still learning its power.
I have felt some of Kundalini's energy thru Sacred Sexuality, i.e.
Spiritual Sex, so i do know that it is a wonderful experience;
however, I am curious to know more about Kundalini. So any
information anyone can pass along to me will be much appreciated.
Can anyone suggest books or other web sites that i might obtain to
further my knowledge?
Now for a little more about myself. I am 31, a full time college
student currently obtaining a CAS (Certificate of Advanced Studies) in
Humanities, I am a poet and aspiring novelist, and I am currently
single. I am also Wiccan/Pagan/Pantheist, as well as an herbalist and
vegetarian.
It is a pleasure to be on this list. Thank you all for the patience
in reading my ramblings. I promise to keep most of my posts as short
as possible. I will keep everyone informed of my progress in learning
Kundalini as events unfold in the future.
Love and Light to all
Lorianna....AKA....Lady_Enchantment
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