1997/11/07 10:42
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #735
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kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 735
Today's Topics:
Re: Thoughts. [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistres ]
Re: to olfaction at the border [ dante rosati <danteATnospampop.interport.n ]
psychosis [ "Krikka-Dmon Lilliehöök" <ztargazer ]
Thank you [ Donald Smith & Mary Kennedy-Smith < ]
New to list [ dcondreaATnospampcnet.pcnet.ro (Blizzard) ]
RE: Remote Viewing [ Dieter Dambiec <d.dambiecATnospamstudent.c ]
departure reckons the tally [ Dieter Dambiec <d.dambiecATnospamstudent.c ]
Re: Re: Thoughts. [ CGIAJWATnospamaol.com ]
*an attempted,failed, rejected poem* [ Gloria <glorybeATnospamintrepid.net> ]
Re: WE ARE ONE! [ FIute <FIuteATnospamprodigy.net> ]
Re: Re: Thoughts [ "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu> ]
Karma was: Re: Re: Thoughts. [ "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.or ]
Re: Reiki Prices/Cost [ FIute <FIuteATnospamprodigy.net> ]
Re: Karma was: Re: Re: Thoughts. [ "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.or ]
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 01:22:42
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Thoughts.
Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19971107012242.3e774600ATnospamdomin8rex.com>
>At 06:30 PM 11/6/97 -0600, Debora A. Orf wrote:
>
> Vacuuming is mindless
>enough i can make a meditation of it if i'm in the right mode and you'd be
>surprised how quickly it gets done. Ever try to just really VACUUM?
>
True enough.. Zen and housework, the right focus/non focus and I am a
white tornado, I get it all done so amazingly fast and well.. it
embarrasses my slaves.. hatred of housework is the reason I started
collecting them in the first place.. now they are there and I don't have to
do it, I don't mind it so much. Less resistance = greater efficiency.
It is the best excercise for my body type, and more interesting/useful
than working out.
I put my mind on something else, and let my body do it.. since the body
is a trillion times more intelligent than the mind, it is more efficient,
too.. there is no wasted movement.
Ask someone to hold their arm straight out and keep it there in a normal
state, and they will get tired soon. Hypnotise someone and suggest that
their arm can float, is floating up by itself, and they can hold it up
there limp all day and not feel the weight. Thier muscles are acting in
perfect balance. Effortless.
The fatigue, comes from resistance.. limiting beliefs causing the muscles
to pull against each other unequally. Body/mind fighting itself!
Under hypnosis, belief is aligned, limitations are suspended, and holding
the wieght becomes effortless. No resistance.
Under stress, a mother lifts a huge truck off her child.. she did not
stop to consider her limiting beliefs, she simply acted without thought of
failure.
Funny, the things one does instinctively. Last night I had a man standing
a few feet in front of me, as I sat. We were looking at each other. On
impulse, I drew a power breath and gently blew it at him. He slowly began
to topple over backwards.. the expression on his face as I reached out and
pulled him back to vertical vas priceless..
Cool stuff. Blessings, Mystress.
Mystress Angelique Serpent,
Dominant Experiential Facilitator.
Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent
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Common sense and a sense of humor are the same thing, moving at
different speeds. A sense of humor is just common sense, dancing.
-- Clive James
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 03:49:32 -0500
From: dante rosati <danteATnospampop.interport.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: to olfaction at the border
Message-Id: <l03110700b0887c54cb35ATnospam[204.74.5.151]>
Wow! Somebody sure got their buttons pushed! Just think, I type a few
keystrokes on my computer, cast a bit of nonsense I scribbled to the winds,
and lo, in a far off land (?) the mighty Amckeon is moved to bug out!
>dante *ASS*umed poetically:
>
>>Craving the intensity of roller coaster rides,
>>what could be a bigger rush than to go from
>>LIGHT to SHADOW and back to LIGHT again?
>>It sure beats watching T.V.
>
>No way; tv is pretty damn good these days.
You shouldn't joke like this, its too scary. (you >are< joking, aren't you?)
"They killed Kenny! - You bastards!"
>
>>This also is Tantra.
>
>It is? I must not be doing it right.
Yer doing it whether you like it or not. the only question is are you going
to go quietly, or kicking and screaming? Tantra understands that even the
darkness is, at bottom, light and bliss. That the interplay of two is
empty, therefore capable of infinite diversification. Sometimes it is from
the shadows that the colors in the sun look the brightest.
>
>>Metaphysical drama junkies:
>>thats what we are!
>
>Be sure and *smile* when ya say "WE" there, hombre!
>
Yup, I mean "we". It's just that some of us like to create a drama out of
refusing to accept our drama-junkiehood. Boo hoo.
>>If we really wanted to stay home,
>>I guess we would.
>
>If "we" were independently wealthy (spiritually as well as materially), we
>damn sure would spend a lot more time at "home", studying the universe and
>exploring inner space. It is always the "work" that calls us away. It is
>not an adventure, it is a drudgery.
>
Suit yourself, but I shy away from drudgery. Its so drudgefull. Do you
repeat the last sentence above to yourself every day, to make sure it gets
deep into your programming?
>>Its undignified for a committed traveller
>>to always be whining that they wished they were sitting quietly at home.
>>Have a little self respect.
>
>It is undignified for a committed spiritual seeker to be so lacking in
>compassion. Have a little less smugness.
>
I am not committed! I haven't been in the hospital for a long time now!
Have a little less meanness.
>>But jeez! some people sure have a big appetite for shadows!
>
>"Some people" have an even bigger appetite for pointing out the
>shadows of others.
>
Since my post was addressed to no one in particular, any imputed shadow
pointing is in the eye of the beholder.
>>Its good to have vacations, though,
>>just resting in the light and recharging,
>>slipping back into Oneness, but not quite,
>
>Sounds like an archaic form of birth control, what was that... "oneness
>interruptus"?
>
I think the Manichaeans would have liked that idea...
>>and then at the last moment diving down again into manifestation.
>
>It must be pure magic at your house.
>
You have no idea....... :-)
>>Metaphysical drama junkie deep sea pearl divers!
>>That's what we are!
>
>Speaking for myself, if I were a drama junkie I would bore myself. It all
>becomes so tedious and predictable. I prefer stories I do not yet know the
>ending to.
>
>The next time you want to insult someone at least have the courage to be
>direct about it. (Perhaps you could get some pointers from the Lobster....)
I think my scribblings held up a mirror to somebody who didn't like what
they saw. Not to worry. All in a day's fun!
>
>amckeon
any relation to Akhenaton?
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 13:18:27 CET
From: "Krikka-Dmon Lilliehöök" <ztargazerATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: psychosis
Message-ID: <19971107121827.29815.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
>
>How do you define " Psychosis " ???
>
>A new way of seeing the world ? Yes !
Well, maybe I used a wrong word, or see it this way: I meant psychosis
in the meaning of "bad" ....hmmm.... mental feelings, uncomfortoble
brain activity like......paranoia, anxiety and so...
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Subject: Thank you
Message-ID: <34630DDE.4788ATnospamccsi.com>
Hi Flute,
I am the one who told you about Barbera Beckstein who has terminal brain
cancer in Littleton Colorado. I got a copy of your Internet Email
asking for healing energy to be sent to her. My wife got a card from
her 2 days ago and she is doing better!!! She has been able to even
walk around a little. As I write this I feel the energy of God flowing
over my head and I am crying. Thank you for sending out the Email so
quickly after my request, and please pass on my thanks to every one who
sent her healing energy.
Love, Light and Joy,
Donald Smith
asgATnospamccsi.com
Austin, TX
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 14:17:33
From: dcondreaATnospampcnet.pcnet.ro (Blizzard)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: New to list
Message-ID: <56ATnospamdcondrea.pcnet.ro>
Hello,
I'm Codrin from Romania. I found this nice list. Because I'm new
around here I have few question about it. If anyone can answer
please do it.
1. What are the subjects? Only kundalini experience or any
spiritual experience? You now, an astral experience, and so on who
are not specialy linked with kundalini.
2. How may we are on the list? Just to make an idee if this subject
is popular in the world.
3. We are free on this list, or we are under control of someone?
That is it for the moment.
I'm practice yoga for 4 years and I had some of experiences in this
field. I practice a kind of Intergal Yoga: hatha yoga, Dasha
Mahavidya (Gerat Cosmic Power) and from a year ago Khasmir
Shaivaism (Trika, Krama). We have a big yoga school in Romania, over
20.000 people join the school. You can find some information about
this at
http://lynx.neu.edu/home/httpd/c/cturcanu/TRIKA_NU/
NATHA from Denmark have a strong link with our school and from
there a school NATHA from Finland.
Probably you know that: 12 november is Tripura Sundari day. This
day is proper for all spiritual things.
I wish you a nice meditation,
Codrin
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 20:49:17 +1100
From: Dieter Dambiec <d.dambiecATnospamstudent.canberra.edu.au>
To: "'kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com'" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: RE: Remote Viewing
Message-ID: <01BCEBDB.4687C780ATnospampppclient6.canberra.edu.au>
-----Original Message-----
From: Sharon Webb [SMTP:shawebbATnospamyhc.edu]
Sent: Friday, November 07, 1997 10:46 AM
Hi,
IMNOHO, there is nothing remotely resembling siddhis or black magic about
controlled remote viewing.
[>]
True, siddhis have nothing to do with paranoid X-file addictions. Intuitional spiritual practices means an effort to break through the barrier of smallness and Siddhi or beatitude is the state, wherein the barrier has been broken through.
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 00:50:23 +1100
From: Dieter Dambiec <d.dambiecATnospamstudent.canberra.edu.au>
To: "kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: departure reckons the tally
Message-ID: <01BCEBE0.CCEB36E0ATnospampppclient6.canberra.edu.au>
The physical body that we occupy during the life time is and remains a cosmic
property all along; much so after we leave it. Nothing is taken with you - so the
attachment to materialistic objectives achieves little. The only use it has is
non-attached rational distribution and maximum utilisation for the good and
happiness of all. Capitalism and communism are but jokers for fools to follow as
a pseudo-goal of life.
All (Unit) Microcosmic entities, an atom, a molecule or a protozoic cell
or an advanced metazoic cell (Unit)--- have got their own (independent,
individual/collective) microcosmic mind acting as controlling faculty. The
cells in a gland / an organ have their own collective existence and hence a
collective mind ( controlling faculty) of their own nature and
characteristics. In some structures mind is still (quite) underdeveloped as in
the case of atomic microcosm while in the case of a unit metazoic cell of a
human body the unit mind (of the individual cells) is comparatively highly
advanced so much so as capable of adjusting with the abstract functions of
the unit human mind and its underlying unit consciousness. Life is but a
parallelism of collective entitative physical waves with the psychic waves on
the occupying Unit Mind. Here life may be that of any microcosmic entity-an
atom or an advanced human individual.
Each cell has a mind, true and not doubt, even every atom has a mind in
sleeping (inertia) state. The smallest particle of life being microvita. But that
is not making or constituting the human
mind. The cells complement the objective counterpart, the evolving biological
machine which the human mind associates with and uses for expressions in a
life. And at the time of death this association of the unit human mind (i.e.
the unit endoplasmic coverage) is withdrawn from thus far enveloped minds of
the individual cells which remain in evolutionary metazoic ectoplasmic
stage. The transmigraton of the mind with its unexhausted reactions is an inevitability
in this regard.
The entire affair of the transmigration of a Unit Human Mind ie. handling of the
departed Unit Mind remains totally under the control of the Cosmic Entity. The
Unit Mind is responsible and accountable only for what kind of a resultant
reactive momenta it carries at the time of departure from a corpor. And thus
accordingly, depending on the fact whether the death has left any
unripened potential reactions on the psychic plate of the departing mind or not,
determines the development of the body it is getting associated
with next. Hence the importance of the ideative state of the human entity in every waking
moment, in sleep and at the time of death.
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:48:26 -0500 (EST)
From: CGIAJWATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Re: Thoughts.
Message-ID: <971107094814_1725131304ATnospammrin51.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 11/7/97 1:34:06 AM, you wrote:
<<>Bliss is wonderful, but its just a piece of the puzzle no? if it doesn't
>work on the level of ordinary human interactions eventually...then why do
>it?>>
I don't claim to know everything, so this is just one of the zillion of
theories, but if there is a order to our exsistance, and we have decided what
and how we will be affected in the future, if we reincarnate to deal with
certain life problems, then it doesn't matter if we do anything for anyone
else or not. If someone suffers, that is why they reincarnated, and they are
learning their important lessons, if someone helps them, that was already
planned too, and that is part of the lesson. I suppose that if we don't know
for ourselves, it's better to be nice than not, but spirituality doesn't
necessarily revolve around others. What about all the monks and yogis from
almost all religions which take vows of silence and hermitages and
seclutions? Being a good person is good, but perhaps it's only one way to
help the universe, perhaps suffering is just as important, and so when you
can find Bliss for youself, do it as much as possible.
To believe this requires a belief in fate/faith, that every action (or
inaction) is planned.
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 10:05:42 -0500
From: Gloria <glorybeATnospamintrepid.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: *an attempted,failed, rejected poem*
Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971107100542.006fdc28ATnospamintrepid.net>
>
>I am going to share this above titled poem, which I found today while
looking for some paper to write on. I must have written this before I went
for my surgery, because I have not written a poem since the surgery. Please
do not ask me to explain these random thoughts, whatever it may say to you
is perhaps what it means...I may have hoped to get back to working on it
and seeing if it had some potential kernel of becoming a poem to perhaps
allow someone to read... whatever *WAS* I thinking when I wrote this???
(warning,some ideas here may be plagiarized somewhat.."If I tell a lie, it
is only because I think I am telling the truth"...I forget where I copied
that quote from, but it was a big hit with my co-workers back at the
welfare office.. who all wanted copies to put on their walls where our
clients may perhaps notice it...those who can read, anyway...)
>
>*an attempted, failed, rejected poem*
>
>I want more from you now than I ever knew to ask before,
>Whatever you bring in your hands, I need to see it.
>
>Suddenly I understand the verb without tenses
>Surely the love of life is never-ending
>
>Why do I tell you anything?
>Because you still listen,
>Because in times like these
>To have you listen at all,
>It is necessary to talk about trees first
>
>Before running away
>toward a new kind of love
>your life has never allowed
>
>"The pact we made was the ordinary pact
>of men and women in those days"
>
>"I don't know who we thought we were"
>
>
>PS. the last part is in quotes because I vaguely recall I must have read
this somewhere and I forget now who said this..or where I read
it..sometimes I plagiarize just to hang onto an idea till I can get back to
putting it into my own words. This connects in my mind with the lie quote
in the preface to the poem. Perhaps true confession and truth telling
includes such hindsights?
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 09:15:20 -0600
From: FIute <FIuteATnospamprodigy.net>
To: "kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: WE ARE ONE!
Message-ID: <3463307C.3120ATnospamprodigy.net>
Someone tell my WHY Jan 30th.. Last year I participated in a huge
meditation group with GaiaMind and on PRODIGY. We did a wonderful On
line meditation..
I have been doing online guided meditation on a regular basis for
several years and am amazed by its power and energy. There is no space
nor time. So one doesn't have to be in any particular place to meditate.
With kundalini awakened you can feel the energy of everyone you work
with.
Do you guys want to schedule some sort of guided Meditation, I'll be
willing to lead it. Where is the question and what time.. Since we are
all at different time zones..
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:48:48 -0500
From: "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Thoughts
Message-Id: <199711071559.KAA08163ATnospamhoboken>
Hi Everybody,
CGIAJW wrote:
>>If someone suffers, that is why they reincarnated, and they are
learning their important lessons, if someone helps them, that was already
planned too, and that is part of the lesson.>>
This notion seems to preclude free will, doesn't it? And if we throw out
free will, then it seems to follow that any lesson "learned" was
predetermined; therefore, nothing was learned at all.
Sharon
shawebbATnospamyhc.edu
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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:00:08 -0600 (CST)
From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
To: CGIAJWATnospamaol.com
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Karma was: Re: Re: Thoughts.
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.971107095326.7160A-100000ATnospamwinc0>
On Fri, 7 Nov 1997 CGIAJWATnospamaol.com wrote:
>
> I don't claim to know everything, so this is just one of the zillion of
> theories, but if there is a order to our exsistance, and we have decided what
> and how we will be affected in the future, if we reincarnate to deal with
> certain life problems, then it doesn't matter if we do anything for anyone
> else or not. If someone suffers, that is why they reincarnated, and they are
> learning their important lessons, if someone helps them, that was already
> planned too, and that is part of the lesson. I suppose that if we don't know
> for ourselves, it's better to be nice than not, but spirituality doesn't
> necessarily revolve around others. What about all the monks and yogis from
> almost all religions which take vows of silence and hermitages and
> seclutions? Being a good person is good, but perhaps it's only one way to
> help the universe, perhaps suffering is just as important, and so when you
> can find Bliss for youself, do it as much as possible.
>
> To believe this requires a belief in fate/faith, that every action (or
> inaction) is planned.
the law of karma as i understand it is not so punishing. Its more like one
throws a rock at a window and it shatters. Does one punish the rock or the
window? The truth is the window is broken. The karma is cleaning up the
glass and paying for the replacement. There is no personal problem here,
just a broken window, a pile of glass and possibly someone hurt. There are
so many pieces to a chunk of karma.
take a look at your coffee cup. Can you see the waterfalls in it? The
waterfalls of the past making the soil into the clay that was formed by
the potter that was sold to the store that you bought it from. There is a
big world in that cup. That to me is more the way karma works. A long
chain of things that bump off like dominoes. What we choose is our
reaction to karma. Shit happens, you can stand there and stare at it, or
clean it up.
There is no person placing blame and directing punishment. Suffering is a
natural part of this existence according to Buddhist thought. I'm not
trying to get dogmatic into my worldview, as i understand there are others
:).
thanks for reading :)
maitri,
--jampa
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 09:38:22 -0600
From: FIute <FIuteATnospamprodigy.net>
To: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
CC: "kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Reiki Prices/Cost
Message-ID: <346335EE.66C5ATnospamprodigy.net>
amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
>
I agree with you on Costs to an extent. I have been told that unless we
(Americans in general) pay for Reiki we don't appreciate it.
The original cost of Reiki from Hawayko Takata in Chicago in 1974
(not Hawaii) was pretty outrageous. Reiki Master Teacher was $10,000.
There are still a number of people that charge this and fees that are
very similar. There is a lady here in San Antonio that charges Reiki I
- $150.00 Reiki II - 300.00 and Reiki III or Masters $2,500. I still
think this is outrageous.
I do agree that Americans seem to have to pay for something to value
it.. but with those prices they make a very elite type of Reiki Master..
Only one that kind of money can get into it.
I get repremanded all the time (by other Reiki Masters) for the
prices I charge, and I get really frustrated with the concept that "You
get what we pay for", that certainly isn't true anymore, if it ever was.
Its become a society of "Crevate Emptor".. (let the buyer beware) and
charge what the market will bear. And even at that we are a throw away
society, where something called Beenie Babies (toy) is worth $200.00 for
one person and then after the fad is over.. the Beenie Baby is just
tossed on the trash heap.. That is unless someone promotes the object as
a Keepsake/antique then the market is off and running nuttsy again.
I do charge for my classes, because it does take my time and
energy.. Printing and Website costs etc.
I generally give away the Tibetan Reiki I learned because it was given
to me and in the spirit that I give it to at least two more people.. So
I add it to my classes for no extra charge.
I have more than once done what is called an "energy exchange"
(barter, I guess you might call it.. giggling). But I am generally
assured that the person Im bartering with is genuine in wanting Reiki
and being able to work with it.
Love and Light,
flute
Reiki Master Teacher/Empathic/Psychic
http://www.create.org
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:59:22 -0600 (CST)
From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Karma was: Re: Re: Thoughts.
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.971107105558.12530B-100000ATnospamwinc0>
On Fri, 7 Nov 1997, Debora A. Orf wrote:
> There is no person placing blame and directing punishment. Suffering is a
> natural part of this existence according to Buddhist thought. I'm not
> trying to get dogmatic into my worldview, as i understand there are others
ok deb PROOFREAD!!! i said that suffering is a 'natural' part of this
existence. what i probably should have said is that how this existence is
normally perceived due to our karmic circumstances etc. We by habit tend
to create/be drawn to conditions that we think will make us happy but in
fact often make things worse.
the 4 noble truths go life is suffering, suffering is caused by attachment
and craving, suffering can be stopped, and it can be stopped by the 8-fold
path.
so suffering is not 'natural', but it only seems that way.
sorry!
--dao
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