1997/10/30 05:30
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #720
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 720
Today's Topics:
There is hope [ Ken McFarland <kenmATnospamOREGON.UOREGON. ]
Walkout [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ]
Kriyas and tantra (was Re: What to e [ Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospamsynopsys.com> ]
Re: A question about a change for th [ Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin. ]
Re: piercing the rudra knot [ anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities. ]
Your major experiences [ Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin. ]
An unpleasant experience [ Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin. ]
Mutant Message Down Under [ Susanne Macrae <smacraeATnospamcamtech.net ]
Re: An unpleasant experience [ Barbara Shinton <ce269ATnospamfreenet.toro ]
Re: left brain/right brain [ anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities. ]
Piercing the Rudra Knot [ Susanne Macrae <smacraeATnospamcamtech.net ]
Re: Piercing the Rudra Knot [ Barbara Shinton <ce269ATnospamfreenet.toro ]
Re: Piercing the Rudra Knot [ Barbara Shinton <ce269ATnospamfreenet.toro ]
Piercing the Rudra Knot [ Susanne Macrae <smacraeATnospamcamtech.net ]
Re: Piercing the Rudra Knot [ Barbara Shinton <ce269ATnospamfreenet.toro ]
Re: Piercing the Rudra Knot [ "Sen Ashanka"<sashankaATnospamaismi.ais.it ]
Introduction from a newbie. [ "Len.C" <L.J.CzermakATnospamherts.ac.uk> ( ]
Re: Introduction from a newbie. [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistres ]
Re: Your major experiences [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistres ]
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 12:33:46 -0800
From: Ken McFarland <kenmATnospamOREGON.UOREGON.EDU>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: There is hope
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REDMOND, Wash. - Oct. 21, 1997 -- In direct response to accusations
made by the Department of Justice, the Microsoft Corp. announced today
that it will be acquiring the federal government of the United States
of America for an undisclosed sum. "It's actually a logical extension
of our planned growth", said Microsoft chairman Bill Gates, "It
really is going to be a positive arrangement for everyone".
Gates dismissed a suggestion that the U.S. Capitol be moved to
Redmond as "silly", though did say that he would make executive
decisions for the U.S. government from his existing office at
Microsoft headquarters. Gates went on to say that the House and Senate
would "of course" be abolished. "Microsoft isn't a democracy", he
observed, "and look how well we're doing".
When asked if the rumored attendant acquisition of Canada was
proceeding, Gates said, "We don't deny that discussions are taking
place".
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 16:36:56 -0600
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Walkout
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Nancy wrote:
"I have also had a walkout experience...."
Could you please tell us more about this? I have received snail mail from
the "walk-ins" group and seen a tv talk show on this topic. And I'm sure
many on this list would love to hear about your "walkout" experience. I am
assuming this is separate from your near death experience?
Thanks in advance,
amckeon
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 16:43:00 -0800
From: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospamsynopsys.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Cc: keutzerATnospamsynopsys.com
Subject: Kriyas and tantra (was Re: What to expect ...)
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Someone wrote:
>Yelling and howling experiences are nothing to do with K. They are mere
occult side effects due to imbalanced glandular and psychic structure.
This is why all this is linked to the science of intution. Indeed it is a
science to understand it fully - not just an emotional experience or
outburst. That outburst or feeling may be pleasurable but it is only that
in many cases. From my experience when the k rises the attraction to the
Great is so immense that so much joy will flood the mind that no duality is
present. That is bliss or ananda and is a totally different think to
pleasure from senses or glandular emissions or the like.
I hold an alternative view: Yelling and howling are common kriyas
associated with the rising of kundalini. This is substantiated by
contemporary teachers such as Swami Vishnu Tirth and Swami Shivom Tirth.
The resulting kriya may be pleasurable or not but this is irrelevant.These
kriyas are associated with the purification of samskaras (impressions or
stresses) of the nervous system and that is their value.
They continued:
>That is what rising of k is about. One does not focus on all the side
effects of rising k. These are simply occult side effects and will be
stronger for those with imbalance chakra, glandular and other symptons, due
eg from meat eating diet or non-sattvik food such as onions and garlic
(stimulants for the lower chakras).
>
>[>] Of course while living in the world one cannot do so in a state of
denial and so proper ideation is also essential and training fo the mind to
see one's actions as God and within God is paramount. This is difficult
minute per minute. Thus proper meditation at least twice a day is
essential as a matter of habit cultivation.
>
> Eating a pure sattvic diet, leading a
>balanced emotional life, and the practice of meditation lead to deep
>relaxation. This allows the arousal and manifestation of the divine
>energy.
>
That's one approach. Personally, I agree with the Tibetan Kadampa master
who wrote: ``Conceptuality is the king of evil.'' My own experience is that
holding to strong concepts limit the movement of kundalini much more than
eating onions or meat does. Over its long history kundalini practices have
been more embraced by tantrics than by the mainstream religious structure
(e.g. Brahmins). Sooner or later the rising of kundalini will thrust into
ones consciousnessness the entire gamut of repressed attitudes and
inclinations. If one is attached to the image of oneself as a ``pure
sattvic'' person then kundalini will be restricted in its movements.
On the other hand the tantric path is not without its dangers. If one loses
all discrimination then ones ego can be inflated by the kundalini energy
with the result that one freely indulges in unethical activities that will
only lead to a re-establishment of the cycle and pain and suffering rather
than liberation.
So practically speaking I believe that this means that we practice ethical
behavior without becoming attached to any particular view of ourselves as
being ``pure''. We acknowledge that shakti pervades both the ``bad'' and
the ``good''. Finally, when shakti awakens in us we must not be afraid to
face the shadow of ourselves and at any time that we might happen to become
ego-istically identified with shakti then we must either:
1) surrender our ego to God
or
2) apply our discrimination to our ego and realize our own identitylessness
Mangalam
Kurt
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 21:28:35 -0500 (EST)
From: Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin.umich.edu>
To: "N. Eckert" <watrfallATnospamniagara.com>
cc: Dieter Dambiec <d.dambiecATnospamstudent.canberra.edu.au>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com,
kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: A question about a change for the worse (sorry long:( )
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Austrialian Aboriginal tribe who choose when they die: The Real People
Good book or book on tape about them:
Mutant Message Down Under by Marlo Morgan
Dan
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 18:29:55 -0800
From: anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>
To: "amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us" <amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us>
CC: "kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>,
heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Subject: Re: piercing the rudra knot
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amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us wrote:
> As a help for the ignorant (me) could someone briefly explain this concept?
>
> Dear Amckeon!
Amckeon!The rudra knot is also called the rudra granthi in the Tantras.
When Kundalini is aroused and leaves the base chakra it closes that chakra and
proceeds on to the sex chakra which opens. This process of closing the chakra
and opening the next chakra goes on as it moves upwards through the spinal
central column. At the solar plexus chakra (the third chakra from the base),
the Kundalini pierces the Brahma-Knot, towards its movement further up towards
the heart chakra, where it pierces the Vishnu-Knot.
The knot at the center of the third eye, or the center of Christ Consciousness,
The third eye of Shiva, is the Rudra Knot. On piercing this knot the Kunadalini
seeks communion with the brain which is the Thousand petalled lotus or
Sahasrara.
Hope this makes it a bit clear for you to understand.
Anandajyoti
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/6782
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 23:24:56 -0500 (EST)
From: Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin.umich.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Your major experiences
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Is there a place on the web where I can find the old messages from
the list? This link doesn't work: "Jump directly to the new "kundalini-l"
Mailing List to read the latest postings about kundalini awakening."
Dan
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 00:08:11 -0500 (EST)
From: Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin.umich.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: An unpleasant experience
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I went to talk to a psychic about kundalini. She had just given
readings to twenty odd people over a period of three hours. When I first
saw her, I got a huge pressure headache that later spread as low as my
heart. When talking to the psychic, we never "connected" and I felt
disagreeable the whole time. I think we left each other worse off than
when we met.
After I left her, I felt like there wasn't an ounce of goodness in
me. I felt drained more than ever before. Later, during
unpleasantness-filled meditation, I managed to move the pressure from my
head into a scary, intense straight line on the left side of my torso. I
gave up on the headache and on looking for meaning. I slept.
I think now that perhaps I felt exactly how she had felt after all
her work. How could a single glance cause such a massive change in me? A
few days earlier, I got a backache in choir and thought it must have been
from the instructor. I asked him about his back and he said he had hurt
it earlier that day. This isn't the first time I've thought that I've
felt the pain (or pleasure) of another as if it were my own. Can anybody
relate?
Dan
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 16:05:59 +1030
From: Susanne Macrae <smacraeATnospamcamtech.net.au>
To: Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin.umich.edu>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Mutant Message Down Under
Message-ID: <34581CBE.4C8AATnospamcamtech.net.au>
Hi Dan and list,
Just want to say Mutant Message Down Under is a work of fiction. Marlo
Morgan didn't live with Australian aborigines and the book is not a
valid account of aboriginal life. Many Australian aboriginal women have
criticised the book and the allusion to it being factual as it does not
reflect their true culture. I believe one Australian aboriginal went to
the U.S. to promote its launch. He was motivated by the money to support
the story and has since retracted his comments on its validity.
Enjoy it for its fictional story but recognise that it isn't a true
mirror of aboriginal life.
Sue
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 00:44:17 -0500 (EST)
From: Barbara Shinton <ce269ATnospamfreenet.toronto.on.ca>
To: Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin.umich.edu>
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: An unpleasant experience
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Yes I can relate to your experiece. Just today I was in a University
Library surfing the net when and overwelming need to leave that situation
made me run out and come home to be in my own space. Crowded situations
seem to trigger my need to feel open spaces. My back hurts. My heart
pounds.The body is saying get me out of here. When I have to much pain in
my back I go the chiropractor. The spinal adjustments release the blocks
for kundalini to move freely. Usually tears will follow and then I relax.
Not much fun been in pain. I'm learning to listen to my body more each day.
Get more rest. Eat less food. Exercise. Do things I enjoy.
Because I meditate frequently I am very sensitive to my environment.
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 23:15:57 -0800
From: anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>
To: Barbara Shinton <ce269ATnospamfreenet.toronto.on.ca>
CC: "heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com" <heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com>,
"kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: left brain/right brain
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Barbara Shinton wrote:
> That test only reaches people who access to it through books or internet.
>
> Would that same test improve conditions for someone who had nothing to
> begin with.
>
> The thing that bugs me the most is, all this hype about success being
> blamed on individuals who are not successful because they don't try. Most
> millionare I hear about are born into it. Financial success comes mostly
> to people who have early access to proper education about financial matters.
>
> The odd case where someone make a million after coming out of poverty is
> very rare indeed.
>
> If your born with an overload of limitations so self imposed then
> success is a fantacy.
>
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Hello Barbara !
I enjoy the depth of your posts. So much from the heart and experiencial thoughts.
Thanks for your insightful and felt comments.
Anandajyoti
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/6782
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 18:14:49 +1030
From: Susanne Macrae <smacraeATnospamcamtech.net.au>
To: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Piercing the Rudra Knot
Message-ID: <34583AF1.7098ATnospamcamtech.net.au>
Hi,
The "knots" or granthis are only located at the base, heart and brow
chakras. From my own experience K moved up through my chakras and out
through the crown before coming back down through my face and residing
in the solar plexus. This took quite some years and caused a lot of
physical, mental and emotional problems. K then started working
simultaneously on piercing the 3 knots which have had a greater impact
on my personality, ego self and communication with my Higher Self. When
K opened the crown chakra I made a commitment to work with her to
utilise her to the very maximum of the potential she was giving me and I
think this may have been why she started working on the knots.
The piercing of the base granthi took me out of my current world and put
me into another. For about 3 months I walked around feeling like I was
Alice caught half way through the looking glass. I felt that I had to
wear only white clothes at this time to assist the process. I think this
piercing is about me in the physical world.
The piercing of the heart granthi was interesting because the chakra
moved about 4-5 inches and I was very aware of this happening at the
time. It took 2 years and during this time my upper back felt like a
brick. Then suddenly it dissolved. During this 2 years I worked
constantly on issues of the heart to help and quicken the process. By
far the most important aspect of this piercing was the emotional issues.
The Rudra or third eye piercing has been going on for quite a while now.
My brain feels like it is being re-programmed or de-programmed. This
piercing is related to my mental self and the releasing of all my
accumulated perceptions, judgements, changing old for new. Here the ego
self must go. On a physical level I have a constant buzz/hum/tingle
that covers my face, head and ears and radiates about 18 inches out.
I often feel nauseous as the ego self separates. I am not consciously
working on anything connected with this, just allowing K to do her job.
I feel quite strange a lot of the time and put this down to what is
happening in my brain. Because science says we traditionally use only
10% of the brain, this piercing feels like it is opening up my brain to
experiencing it more fully.
There is an inverted triangle in the centre of the 3 chakras (base,
heart and brow) that seems to represent the knots. I have pondered over
the meaning of this. Astrologically the inverted triangle is the symbol
for water (and the triangle the symbol for fire). I experienced the
heat (fire)mildly when K was moving upwards through the chakras. Since
the knots have been worked on I am experiencing cold. (Almost reptilian
cold blood!)
I feel there is a connection here with the symbolism but am not really
sure as yet.
Love, Sue
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 02:57:26 -0500 (EST)
From: Barbara Shinton <ce269ATnospamfreenet.toronto.on.ca>
To: Susanne Macrae <smacraeATnospamcamtech.net.au>
cc: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Piercing the Rudra Knot
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You have a lot of knowledge about kundalini awaking. Does this knowledge
keep you from going to crazy because I know for myself I get very scared
when the goddess moves and I'm not ready for it.
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 02:59:09 -0500 (EST)
From: Barbara Shinton <ce269ATnospamfreenet.toronto.on.ca>
To: Susanne Macrae <smacraeATnospamcamtech.net.au>
cc: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Piercing the Rudra Knot
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Anyone familiar with Kabbalah healing?
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 19:02:34 +1030
From: Susanne Macrae <smacraeATnospamcamtech.net.au>
To: Barbara Shinton <ce269ATnospamfreenet.toronto.on.ca>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Piercing the Rudra Knot
Message-ID: <34584622.112EATnospamcamtech.net.au>
Hi Barbara,
When I discovered what was happening to me (the word kundalini just
popped into my head one day and I searched until I found a book, Lee
Sannella's Kundalini Experience) I became so overwhelmed that I should
have this magnificent experience that I really sought to help her as
much as possible.
I went through 12 years of agaraphobia and panic attacks before K where
fear was my whole life. For 12 months I couldn't leave my home. I lived
fear 24 hours a day. I couldn't drive a car for over 5 years because of
panic.
To get out of this I had to learn to embrace my fear. Sometimes K will
put me through a new rigour and I will feel the fear. My technique for
dealing with it is just to focus on expanding my aura and calling on God
energy to hold me safe. To step into the fear. Sometimes I just have to
sit back (or lie back) and say "do what you will, I know I'm safe".
The ego is the source of our fear. Spiritual transformation through K
threatens the ego and so fear can often be a real problem.
I guess you are right. Knowledge does help. My past experiences of fear
also helps.
Love Sue
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 03:36:32 -0500 (EST)
From: Barbara Shinton <ce269ATnospamfreenet.toronto.on.ca>
To: Susanne Macrae <smacraeATnospamcamtech.net.au>
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Piercing the Rudra Knot
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Thanks for getting back to me Sue. It's 3:30am but I'm looking around for
new information. Your experience has some simularity to mine. I had a
mild panic attack today. I felt so much pain in my back I couldn't
concentrate on the computer. I had to leave the library and come home
before I could relax. I've been like that for quite some time.
Living on my own makes it easier.
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 10:50:38 +0100
From: "Sen Ashanka"<sashankaATnospamaismi.ais.it>
To: smacraeATnospamcamtech.net.au
Cc: ce269ATnospamfreenet.toronto.on.ca, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Piercing the Rudra Knot
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Very true indeed, about K overcoming fear. Long were the years when
I lived in the fear and awe of the phenomenon of death. Always wondered
what it would be to die, and everytime fear would take over.
Now, with the K strength and a few OOBE's where the lifeless body was
seen, death fear and subsequently all fear has gone. We have in ourselves
to look death in the face and realise that death is nothing but a changed
level of consciousness as someone had put it earlier.
We are born to realise our true identity and freedom. This is mental and
spiritual freedom, not social freedom in the way it is portrayed.
We are free
We are the spirit
We are the world
We are the children...
Cheers and love to all
Ashanka
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 03:08:28
From: "Len.C" <L.J.CzermakATnospamherts.ac.uk> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Introduction from a newbie.
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Hi everyone
First I'd like to say that I'm really excited about this list. When you
hear about my history you will understand why.
Yesterday I spent the day surfing to see what info I could find
on Kundalini. A bout of insomnia, which I had just gone through, had
renewed my waning motivation to find some answers to all the weird
phenomena that had been happening to me, of which insomnia is just one
by-product. I eventualy found an article by El Collie that listed the
various signs and symptoms that indicate kundalini manifestations. I was
astounded. I had so many hits that it was uncanny. Maybe I had found the
answers I had been seeking these past 8 years.
My experiences began in the spring of 1989. After many years of
substance and alcohol abuse I had finally thrown in the towel and began
to work my way through the suggested twelve step programme with my
sponsor of that time (I have assummed that you are all familiar with this
scenario, if only through the media).
I had spent the previous 3 months or so writing an inventory of
my resentments and historical moral misdemeanours. On the day of first
experience I had just completed sharing this information with my
confidente and was at home preparing for bed. I knelt down on the floor
in my prayer posture, I prayed regularly AM and PM to GOD at this time,
and I said the words "Thank you", at that point I had a dramatic,
profound spiritual experience. I felt as if a shower of love or bliss
were emanating from the pit of my stomach and sprayed upward through me
to the very outreaches of the universe. I actually felt that if I
abandoned myself to this experience i would die of bliss. I was afraid of
being obliterated by this power. I also felt a deep sense of being
unworthy of it and consequently, to my deepest regret, i asked for God
to stop it. At this the intensity diminished.
I remember that the force of this energy actually threw my head
back and I later felt that perhaps my head was not cleased by the
process, as I have had an accummalation of energy in my head on a daily basis
since the experience.
My interpretation of the experience was of God
reciprocating my "thank you" with an outpouring of love. I still feel
that way today.
After the event I felt energy coursing through my body on a daily
basis. This phenomenon was even more marked during times of prayer and
meditation. At times my face would contort into a painful grimace (even
though I was not feeling pain), my head would move involuntary, sometimes
quite dramatically and i would have an intense feeling of pressure in my
head, especially at the base of my skull. As a result of these ongoing
happenings, I concluded that I was possessed of some sort of demon that
the spiritual experience had somehow awoken.So off I trotted to Charismatic
Christian meetings and had myself
delivered on a number of occassions, all to no avail.
Over the years i have sought out various spiritual practicioners
and have never really got any answers. That was untill a few years ago
when I visited an author of spiritual literature whose books had given me
hope in the past. He suggested that maybe my experiences had something to
do with kundalini, but up until now I never followed this up.
Phew, well what do hope to get/give this list. I want to end my
isolation. I have been alone with all this stuff happening to me and i
have felt victimised by it. I have stopped any routine spiritual disciplines
and become quite cynical about spiritual matters. I want to find a way
forward. I want to share experiences and find out some practical ways of
soothing, if not curing, some of the symptoms I have been experiencing,
especially the insomnia, unilateral muscle spasms, and the pressure I
feel in my head.
I look forward to reading future postings and getting some
feedback from you all.
Lenny
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 03:08:15
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: "Len.C" <L.J.CzermakATnospamherts.ac.uk>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Introduction from a newbie.
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Hello, Len, Welcome.
I have read your same story many times on this list.. 12 step programs
and KA. do seem to go together sometimes.. and it is hard for we awakened
folks to find like minds... community. That simple comfort is part of the
reason for this list's existence.. worth doing..!
You might want to take a surf thru the archives, they have been compiled
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like yours!
Have fun!
BTW: you sent your post to the "maintenance address", so I forwarded it..
the correct "posting address" is also below.
At 08:28 29/10/97 -0600, Len.C wrote:
> Phew, well what do hope to get/give this list. I want to end my
>isolation. I have been alone with all this stuff happening to me and i
>have felt victimised by it. I have stopped any routine spiritual disciplines
>and become quite cynical about spiritual matters. I want to find a way
>forward.
> I look forward to reading future postings and getting some
>feedback from you all.
>
>Lenny
>
>
>
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Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 03:10:46
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin.umich.edu>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Your major experiences
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At 23:24 29/10/97 -0500, Daniel James Giszczak wrote:
> Is there a place on the web where I can find the old messages from
>the list? This link doesn't work: "Jump directly to the new "kundalini-l"
>Mailing List to read the latest postings about kundalini awakening."
> Dan
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