1997/10/20 10:06
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #528
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 528
Today's Topics:
Chi manipulation on Icq
Breathing exercises
Re: Heat shouldn't burn
Re: Warnings
Re: The Path of kindness
Re: Guru
Re: specialness
Re: malaise fever
Re: Psychic heat generation
Re: Warnings
Re: malaise fever[onion skins]
Re: outside
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:42:55 +-100
From: Tom Bradley <tombATnospamphonelink.com>
To: "kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Chi manipulation on Icq
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Hello Antoine,
Thank you for your kind offer of chi manipulation via icq. The snag is that my internet access is from work, I don't have a PC with internet access at home that would make it possible. Although at a certain point I am going to buy one myself, at which point we could try this. I'll definitely transcribe the business of the 8 psychic channels (and their location) along with a reference for you tomorrow.
All the best,
Tom
>Hello Tom,
>If you want, we could give it a try on a icq chat, the effect of
>resonance will amplify greatly the level of energy implied. I have done
>before this way. i have opened chakras, microcosmic orbit, this way. It
>takes a very much less time years compared to hours of training. I have
>never done it with someone who seems to have such a good control over
>the flows of energy in you, mostly it was with people who had problem du
>to a chakra relatively open to others.
>I would be glad to learn with you and from you.
You said:
"Thank you for your insights and your sound advice. I see that you draw
on several traditions but you adopt an approach that is unique and
individual. One of the things that interests me about the 8 channel
psychic circulation is that the routes for the energy flow are easily
learnt. I think I'll start that practice without first creating a heat
in the abdomen, but I will also practice exercises that develop that
heat."
I would like to know exactly what 8 psychic channel your are referring
to. If you are have a reference on a book, please tell me about it, so i
can follow you on this. and refer to my training i had.
So i'm off for the weekend, finishing my work on Susan solar plexus and
let all that i have learned so fast, sink in deeper in the fibers of my
being.
I wish destiny will find time for us to meet, when I'm back.
Take care
Antoine
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Tom Bradley wrote:
> Hi Jeanne,
>
> I tried your tip and definitely felt heat in the hara region. I was
> looking through my books and found this laya yoga exercise in the book
> Psychosomatic Yoga by Jonn Mumford (Swami Anandakapila Saraswati).
> It's aimed at developing psychic heat, and is the first of six
> kriyas. He didn't detail the other five because he didn't reckon
> readers would have the intensity of concentration to succeed in them.
> I take it people know what the posture sukhasana is (sitting crossed
> legs). Here it is:
>
> 1. Lie supine, head north, feet south in a semi-dark room, with the
> legs folded in sukhasana ( as if you had fallen backwards in
> sukhasana) and the hands clasped over the solar plexus.
>
> 2. On a slow, even inhalation, visualize warm golden, pranic energy
> being drawn in through the head and down the body into the thighs and
> lower abdominal region, where it is prevented from escaping by your
> crossed feet and is thereby stored.
>
> 3. On a slow, even exhalation, bring the accumulated prana up and
> around the solar plexus in a series of clockwise circles (as if you
> had a clock dial, the size of a dinner plate, centred over the navel
> with twelve o'clock at the chest and six o'clock at the groin).
>
> 4. Making as many circles as possible, while exhaling, concentrate
> upon feeling an internal heat develop with each visualization of an
> energy sweep around the solar plexus.
>
> The exercise should be carried out for not less than 15 minutes.
> Developing this psychic heat is supposed to cause the manipura chakra
> to overflow with prana, which is automatically redistributed where
> needed.
>
> If you try this exercise, let me know what you think. Do readers know
> of other similar kriyas? And is laya yoga another name for kundalini
> yoga or not?
>
> Tom
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:07:02 +-100
From: Tom Bradley <tombATnospamphonelink.com>
To: "kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Breathing exercises
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Dear Mike,
You said:
Don't know if this one does much for heat creation; but I think the
energetic effects you'll find MORE than interesting. Of all the things
we've tried it's probably the surest way to get out of your body.
Anyway; Breath VERY FAST and shallow for a period. Then breath very
deep for a period. Alternate the two for a long time.
What I'd like to ask you is if you notice anything else - once I was doing some very intense breathing in a semi-wakefulness when I developed a dual-body sensation - I was simultaneously aware of lying in my bed AND of floating through a succession of living-rooms (all furnished differently). What I noticed as well as the breathing - my lips were pursed, almost as though I was whistling - was that the blood in my temples was beating very strongly and noticeably. Have you noticed that on occasion?
Tom
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 20:13:13 +1000 (EST)
From: Dharmadeva <d.dambiecATnospamstudent.canberra.edu.au>
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Subject: Re: Heat shouldn't burn
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Seems like a waste of time and a piece of occult self-indulgence bearing
little relevance to attainment of spiritual awareness.
On Sun, 19 Oct 1997, Teresa wrote:
> For those new to practices such as heat generation that send energy up
> the spine, you should know that there are both safe and unsafe ways of
> doing this. Here are some of the ways I've heard to keep if safe. I AM
> NOT A TEACHER, if you are doing a heat practice, you should be working
> with a teacher.
>
Perhaps you know that Tantra is divided into two branches, and similarly,
occult powers are expressed in two ways. Sadhakas who have reached
iishvarakoti,( but not Brahmakot'i, the highest stage of human
realization) through intense spiritual practice attain both vidya' and
avidya' shakti, both positive and negative occult power. Common people
usually call it aeshvarya (divine power) but this not completely true. The
other day while discussing that phenomenon with a few people I said that
some of these occult powers are related to space while others are beyond
it. Iishvarakoti sadhakas,through special efforts, can master some
negative and positive powers, and may apply them on certain human beings,
places, or ideas. But a brahmakoti sadhaka can apply those powers on the
entire universe at the same time, through his prota-yoga (personal
relationship with God). Moreover, with
the help of ota-yoga (impersonal relationship), he can also apply his
power on an individual place
or person if he so wishes. The same thing, when applied on a crude level,
may take the form of magic. This explains the eternal side.
If people
remain satisfied with the attainment of these occult powers and stop
advancing along the supreme path, the fullest expression of their human
potentialities will be checked. To bring about the greatest fulfillment of
life, sadhakas will have to reach the pinnacle of the state of ekendriya.
That is, instead of directing their mind-stuff towards crude objects, they
must channelise their minds towards the Macrocosm,and embrace the
Macrocosm fully as their goal. Pran'avo dhanuh sharohya'tma' brahma
tallaks'yamcyate Apramattena vedhavyam' sharattanmayo bhavet " A sadhaka
who utilizes his spiritual practice as the bow his self as the arrow, and
Parama Purus'a as the target and then tries to pierce the target with
undivided attention, attain the supreme goal. Sadhakas who accepts this
sloka as the supreme and final guidance and move accordingly along the
path of ekendriya sadhana are capable of devoting the mind to the highest
stage of spiritual realization. Their lives become so meaningful. It is
not enough to only ideate on Brahma, one must also practice ekendriya
sadhana. Here ekendriya means that all the expressions of the sensory and
motor nerves and all the energy and subtle power of the organs should be
focused on one point. The consolidated power of the nerves, indriyas, and
mind stuff should be directed towards the supreme goal. This
unidirectional movement towards the goal is the stage of ekendriya. In
this stage the sadhaka does not attach any importance to any particular
indriya, idea or thought, but attaches paramount importance to the supreme
goal. Such a sadhaka ultimately arises above both vidya and avidya Tantra.
Vidya Tantra is a positive approach to the world , where as Avidya Tantra
is a negative approach.
People who tread the path of negativity tend to
become crude. And if they follow the positive path they may attain name,
fame, social prestige, etc. but will fail to attain Parama Purus'a. They
even fail to attain higher lokas (realms of existence). The person who
follows neither of these two paths and thinks only of Parama Purus'a will
attain Him one day and will be elevated from the ekendriya stage to the
vaeshiika stage. This path, of transcending positive and negative ideas is
called madhya marga ( middle path) in Tantra (Buddha called it majjhima'
mag'ga). This the only path, that leads to the highest fulfillment of
human life. Nanya' pantaha' vidyate ayana'na. There is no other path. At
that stage the sensory world has no attraction for a sadhaka whatsoever.
But those sadhakas who dabble with the positive and negative aspects of
Tantra readily become engrossed in mundane affairs. The time and energy
employed to master the positive and negative aspects is a waste for it
diverts the mind and delays its movement towards the higher planes of
existence. In my opinion it is better not to waste one's time on such
inconsequential pursuits. Instead it would be wiser for people to utilize
their time and energy for the attainment of Parama Purus'a.
If I were to analyze the positive and negative paths you would be
fascinated, but it would be if no use whatsoever in attaining Parama
Purusa (Supreme Consciousness). To attain Him you must reach the vaeshika'
stage.
Anandamurtiji
Calcutta , 12,1981
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 20:30:23 +1000 (EST)
From: Dharmadeva <d.dambiecATnospamstudent.canberra.edu.au>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Warnings
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On Mon, 20 Oct 1997, Susanne Macrae wrote:
> Posts on this list recently have dealt with warnings about certain
> practices. Many writers on K also issue dire warnings. Nobody mentions
> what will happen if these warnings are ignored.
>
> Just curious, has anybody got first hand knowledge of destruction or
> death or some other dire happening because of a specific practice.
>
It really comes down to whether you want to practice occultism or
spirituality.
While practising spiritual cult, it should be remembered that spiritual
aspirants must not practise in order to acquire these occult powers. The
goal of spiritual practice is to realise the Supreme Entity. To search for
any other thing is wrong. Occult powers are just like the dust on the
roadside. The attraction for the Supreme is the most
valuable object
-all else is only the dust of the earth.
Hence the spiritual aspirant must not run after these
inconsequential occult powers, although while prasticing spiritual cult
they may develop. You must not forget that all your achievements must
maintain adjustment with the main propensities of the mind, and in the
process of adjustment, all these types of occult powers present
themselves to the spiritual aspirant.
Sa'dhana' (meditation) starts in the plane of physicality and moves
towards the
physico-psychic plane. This first phase of sa'dhana' is performed by the
'doer I'. Then from the physicopsychic plane to the pure psychic plane,
and from the pure psychic plane to the psycho-spiritual plane -- this
portion of sa'dhana' is done by the 'knower I'.
Everything in this universe is created, everything survives and
everything ultimately dissolves in and through Him. Regarding this Supreme
Entity, the scriptures say,
Yato vishvam'samudhu'tam' Yena j.a'tainca tis'thati Yasmin sarvani
liiyanta Jineyam tadbrama laks'anach
"Out of the grace of the supreme, the universe has emerged; due to
His grace, the universe preserves its existence; and because of His grace,
everything will finally dissolve in Him."
So the final word in the realm of spirituality is the supreme grace
of Consciousness (non qualified). Intelligent people will understand this
supreme truth
and move accordingly. It is true not only in the physical level, nor in
the physico-psychic level, nor in the psychic, nor in the psycho-spiritual
level, but in all levels.
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 20:47:21 +1000 (EST)
From: Dharmadeva <d.dambiecATnospamstudent.canberra.edu.au>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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Subject: Re: The Path of kindness
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On Sun, 19 Oct 1997, anandajyoti wrote:
> Dieter Dambiec wrote:
> >
> > Krs'n'a of Vraja. He attracted to Himself all beings by playing His flute. For Him no-one was down-trodden, no one was fallen, no one was neglected. All were equal to Him; His call was meant for all. The sound of the flute of Lord Krs'n'a has been reverberating throughout eternity. One who contemplates Krs'n'a can immediately hear this sound ( as those of you who practice spiritual sa'dhana' [meditation] may have realized). Now if peoples' minds become engrossed in the mundane world and remain oblivious of Krs'n'a, then they cannot hear that divine sound.
> >
> Anandamurti ! I don't know who this Aanandamurti is. I knew a Anandamurti,
> in the Purulia Distric of Bengal way back in early sixties. His actual name was
> , I dont, recollect his first name right at this moment, bu I am positive his last
> name was Sarker. Is this Anandamurti the same as the Anandamurti, I knew.
> The fklute of Krishna as mentioned her needs to be taken as an allegory, a symbolism. The flute of Krishna, is within us all. Those who wish to enter the temple of their own silence, can hear it. It is the Inner voice which speaks to us in Silence. It is immaterial whether one calls it Krishna's Flute, or The voice of The Jesus within, or Buddha's call. Its all the same. Spiritual messages, from all cultures carry the essence of the same Truth. Only those who wish to limit themselves to this or that, let them be.
>
Yes, same preceptor. Passed away now. Today is an anniversary day of
that Great Departure.
Anandajyoti, if you have any stories of those early days in West Bengal,
these would be most interesting to share.
PS If the mind is inclined to the glamour of the material then naturally
it will be blemished and so be diverted from the joy. Krsna's great
personality as Mahasambhuti enable many to become attracted to that joy
and forget the glamour (except for the needs of their existence).
Uca't'an man na' ma'ne ba'ran shudhu ta'ri pa'ne chut'e ja'y
"The restless mind rushes towards Him not caring for anything else."
For this a mystic poet has said:
Adya'pi a'ma'r krs'n'a ba'nshurii ba'ja'y kono kono bha'gyava'n
shuniba're pa'y
"My beloved Krs'n'a plays His flute even today. Only the lucky ones
get to listen to His music."
At that stage all the discriminating
tendencies of the spiritual aspirants are negated, the intellect ceases to
function.
Strangely enough, in the human mind where innumerable thought -
waves rise and fall, there remains only one thought, the thought of
Vrindavana. The question arises that if Krs'n'a constantly remains in
the inner Vrindavana of the human
heart, then what is the necessity of His assuming the human form in order
to come in contact with the microcosms. Why this Naraliila' - the taking
of human form?
Krs'n'a came to the earth in
the form of Maha'sambhu'ti for the restoration and dissemination of
devotion and spiritual flow.
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 21:06:27 +1000 (EST)
From: Dharmadeva <d.dambiecATnospamstudent.canberra.edu.au>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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Subject: Re: Guru
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On Sun, 19 Oct 1997, anandajyoti wrote:
> In the modern day world, if we need to know any secular subject in
> normal courses of study, we enroll in a school or college, university
> and follow the curriculum there. So also in the matters spiritual we
> need teachers, who would enlighten in matters spiritual. But there have
> been many Gurus, who put a limitation, that when one accepts the
> relationship the person must stick to it.
> I don't personally agree with this imposition of limitations. A person
> doing that to me , I would consider is trying to limit my growth and
> development.
Assuming one knows best for oneself at all times? Can anyone say they do.
What is the goal of meditation? Is it not to merge the unit mind with the
Cosmic Mind or rather unit consciousness with Supreme Consciousness. Is
there any other reason for performing meditation. So the next question is
how to meditate?
Emancipation can be achieved by intuitional practice (Sadhana) and so
there must be a special technique for it. This can only be taught by one
who knows this technique. It is, therefore, necessary for learning
intuitional practice to find a teacher who knows this technique. Does it
then mean that preceptor (Guru) is absolutely necessary for learning
intuitional practice and obtaining emancipation or can one learn it
oneself?
A person in prison with his hands and feet shackled will never be
able to set himself free in spite of his best efforts, unless some one
else opens the prison gates and removes his shackles. Similarly men have
been shackled by Prakrti and imprisoned in this wide prison--the world. It
would never be possible for them to become free without the help of
another person. Besides this, it is not possible for anyone to learn an
art all by himself.
One must have someone who can teach him or whom he can
imitate. Such a person from whom one can learn an art is a preceptor.
Intuitional practice (Sadhana) is also an art and has to be learnt from a
preceptor. Hence emancipation is not possible without a preceptor (Guru).
A Guru (preceptor) is always a prime necessity for obtaining emancipation.
Of course, Brahma alone is the Guru. No question about that. The problem
with perception is that if one confuses physical form of teacher only as
Guru then that is personality cult. Physical form is the vehicle for
Guru.
Most people have some limitations in terms of their mind. There are
many bondages and temptations in the world. A person who is in
bondage cannot release others from bondage. One
with shackled hands and feet cannot remove the shackles of others. Hence
the person who himself is not emancipated cannot get emancipation for
others. Only an emancipated person is capable of becoming a preceptor.
A
person can be called emancipated only when s/he has obtained freedom from
the qualifying influence of Prakrti. The only entity which is completely
free of the influence of Prakrti is the Non-qualified Supreme Entity
(nirguna) and it alone can be called really emancipated. Nirguna Brahma or
nonqualified Entity can however never be instrumental. Hence need for
physical form by way of Preceptor.
I realise this is a topic of immense importance and not easily grasped
because people confuse personality cult with guru. However, even if
devotees flock physically at the Preceptor's feet this is not personality
cult - they see only Guru. The outward viewer may see this as worship of
physical form. It is not that.
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 06:42:37 -0500
From: jeannegATnospamicon.net (Jeanne Garner)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: specialness
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Dear Jason-Zympht and all,
>I was reflecting on this just this morning. I was noticing how in
meditation my
Yes, I was reflecting on this too--these recent posts have been really
thought-provoking.
>mind leaps in to grasp at unusual events - flickering lights, waves of bliss,
>etc. As soon as my mind grabs at them, they disappear or I become distracted
>from the objective which is to allow my mind to remain still.
Usually, this is what I notice also.
>This grasping tells me a few things:
>
>1. The events themselves are not the objective precisely, but can distract from
>the objective.
>
>2. Relative to everyday life, these events seem extraordinary. My mind or ego
>wants to feel as if I am something special and so grabs at them as proof.
What came to me wasn't so much that the events themselves are ordinary or
nothing special, but that they are a glimpse, the teensiest tiniest glimpse
at that, of the Extraordinary, the majesty of our Universe, our source.
Almost like a teaser: this is what is really there once the "blinders" can
come off, when we're ready to release them. I, per se, am not special, but
the Universe is, in other words.
>3. To go beyond the grasping, I see that these events are part of the
experience
We cannot grasp this, or, for that matter, most "things" in the world. That
would imply we could somehow stop the movement and flow of energy to hold a
thing--when in fact, the truth is, when the energy and flow stops, the
essence goes out of it. It seems to me that we can only see, experience,
love and enjoy the moment for however long it lasts, and be ready to move on
to the next. It's all flow, and we're all flow, and in the flow, part of it
and moving with it.
>of being human and are ordinary, simple and nothing special.
>
>4. Ego is at odds with this because it's feeling of specialness is reduced.
As you state below, we're already special & unique, aren't we, even without
the pretty light shows? I wonder: would it be helpful to tell our egos
this? That yes, we're special and loveable, so enjoy the "trip" and don't
get in the way of it?
>We are all special, unique, beautiful personalities and egos. But at the depth
>of being we are essentially the same, completely ordinary, non-unique,
>non-special manifestations of spirit.
>
Thanks to all who have made me stop a moment, ponder, and remember just a
bit. :)
Jeanne
==-* My stars!
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 08:15:02 -0400
From: "F. Drew Leyda" <leydaATnospamvalunet.com>
To: <madammumATnospamptialaska.net>, <Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: malaise fever
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my heart is just fine closed & much healthier than opened to all the
> wrong people at the wrong times, for all the wrong purposes.
> like a 'measuring stick' - the span of ecstasy finds an equal match in
> agony? or - is this my imagination again? I cannot seem to find the
> answers fast enough for comfort...
> v
> *********************
> valerie cooper
> http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/7982/index.html
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Ask a Question, We will see if we can come up with an answer .
Drew
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 14:05:06 +-100
From: Tom Bradley <tombATnospamphonelink.com>
To: "kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Psychic heat generation
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Thanks Jeanne,
From what I've seen so far, the subject of Reiki seems very interesting. I'm trying to decide which is the better - to experience it at someone's hands, or to be taught it - there is apparently a Reiki master living in this area. By the way, I'm closing in on a Kundalini school - there's a teacher within a couple of dozen miles of here who's taught previously, and as a result of my and others' phone calls is now thinking of arranging new classes.
Best wishes,
Tom
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Hi again,
>2. On a slow, even inhalation, visualize warm golden, pranic energy
being drawn in through the head and down the body into the thighs and lower
abdominal region, where it is prevented from escaping by your crossed feet
and is thereby stored.
I hit the "send" too quickly. There is a better, more efficient way to
prevent the heat from escaping, and that is by contracting the hui yin--a
technique taught in Reiki for the attunement process--and sometimes also
used in healing. In this way, you can sit or even stand normally while
doing the exercise.
For most, the building of the heat, however, should come as easily as
breathing in and breathing out. It's simply a matter of "knowing" that you
CAN. On one of Ken Cohen's Taoist imagery tapes, he uses a wonderful
technique that demonstrates this. He asks you to open and close one fist
many times, and forcefully. He then asks you notice how that hand feels
afterwards, to note the heat coming from it, the increased feeling of
"aliveness" in it. Next, you're asked to transfer that feeling to your
other hand, the one that was still. And he says, "YOU KNOW HOW." No other
instruction--just "YOU KNOW HOW." And he's right: we do, instinctively.
That was the first exercise on the tape, and all the others flowed easy as
apple pie. What a teacher!!
Jeanne
==-* My stars!
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 12:10:38 -0700
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Warnings
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Dharmadeva wrote:
> It really comes down to whether you want to practice occultism or
> spirituality.
Every mystic who prays or meditates eventually develops 'occult' abilities and 'powers'
and considers them worthless compared with the Real Knowledge and Wisdom that devotion
and effort produces.
> While practising spiritual cult, it should be remembered that spiritual
> aspirants must not practise in order to acquire these occult powers. The
> goal of spiritual practice is to realise the Supreme Entity. To search for
> any other thing is wrong. Occult powers are just like the dust on the
> roadside. The attraction for the Supreme is the most
> valuable object
> -all else is only the dust of the earth.
This depends on the Path. In some genuine systems the development of occult powers is
sought because these produce at the same time mind states and experiences that will
develop the individual. The great tragedy of Western Occultism is that most practioners
think they have the balance to both choose their path and follow it in a haphazard way
to generate balance. The results speak for themself.
On the whole occult power demonstrates lack of ability. The genuine ability is largely
hidden from people whilst aiding them.
> Hence the spiritual aspirant must not run after these
> inconsequential occult powers, although while prasticing spiritual cult
> they may develop. You must not forget that all your achievements must
> maintain adjustment with the main propensities of the mind, and in the
> process of adjustment, all these types of occult powers present
> themselves to the spiritual aspirant.
One of the dervishes went to see His Sheikh (Sufi Teacher) saying that whenever he
washed his hands the water turned to gold. The Sheikhs response was, 'such things are
sent to test the (spiritual) minds of small boys'.
> "Out of the grace of the supreme, the universe has emerged; due to
> His grace, the universe preserves its existence; and because of His grace,
> everything will finally dissolve in Him."
And people are impressed when they can turn water to gold - laughable. There is only one
transmutation worthy of note and that is turn yourself into a Real Human Being.
Most Kind Regards
Lobster (still trying to be Human)
ARC
http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/place/vv60/
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 08:51:12 -0800
From: valerian <madammumATnospamptialaska.net>
To: "F. Drew Leyda" <leydaATnospamvalunet.com>
CC: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: malaise fever[onion skins]
Message-ID: <344B8BE1.6825ATnospamptialaska.net>
<snip>
> >v: like a 'measuring stick' - the span of ecstasy finds an equal match in
> > agony? or - is this my imagination again? I cannot seem to find the
> > answers fast enough for comfort...
<snip>
> drew: Ask a Question, We will see if we can come up with an answer .
v: yin & yang, agony & ecstasy, trials & tribulations; all part of that
personal 'measuring stick'? ceaseless bliss; does it exist on earth?
layers & layers of onion skin levels shed like snake skin to unveil
pockets of pain & pockets of unexplained phenomenon. are these layers of
past histories & responses to events unremembered consciously, but
stored within the psyche until such a time as they can be dealt with,
and new stimuli triggers old responses for the stored cache of memory
from other events?
*********************
valerie cooper
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/7982/index.html
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 12:57:31 -0400
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: outside
Message-ID: <344B8D7B.963ATnospammail.snet.net>
valerian wrote:
> how does one transfer *agape* to include other homo sapiens?
Stay with the Love in the center of who You are.
As for other people?
It's not your concern.
The Love in Your center takes care of it all.
Once you make it your concern...big problem.
David,
Hugging the Center
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