1997/10/08  05:09  
 kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #500 
  
kundalini-l-d Digest				Volume 97 : Issue 500
 
Today's Topics: 
  Reply to your thoughts on:Is Morality relative? of Oct3,97 
  Re: favorite charities 
  Re: Kundalini and Holy Spirit (was Pentecostal Kundalini) 
  Re: Namaste and Mangalum 
  Re: Kundalini and Holy Spirit (was Pentecostal Kundalini) 
  Re: favorite charities 
  Re: Namaste and Mangalum 
  Re: Unidentified subject! 
  Re: Unidentified subject! 
  Kundalini Joy Spot 
  Re: Namaste and Mangalum 
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 18:39:05 -0700 
From: indra <indraATnospamsmartt.com> 
To: SchrLLATnospamaol.com 
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Reply to your thoughts on:Is Morality relative? of Oct3,97 
Message-ID: <343AE439.12A7ATnospamsmartt.com> 
 
Hello Linda !
 
Sorry to acknowledge your reply so late.For the past few days I had lot 
to take care of , hence the delay.
 
In principle, I do not intend to point fingers at anyone. For something 
inside me tells me the truth, when interacting with people in 
person,when I look straight on to their eyes. Many may call it psychic 
ability , but I do not. They are natural to everyone, provided we are 
centered, our mind clear of any thoughts, when we really listen. Truth 
reveals on its own, it does not require any other prop.
 
I agree with you that people are not what they present themselves to be.  
The reason I believe that right from our childhood we have been so 
conditioned and always taught to look out for answers , instead of 
looking within. Most of us go about with a mask of perosnality, and 
possibly stay with it our whole lives. When we can make our personality 
the same as our soul nature, you will find miracles do happen, if we 
wish to call them miracles. 
 
I have experienced out of the darkness comes the light,out of silence 
come out the answers. As if the answers are all there like radio waves, 
all we need to do is tune in to the particular wave and the answer 
surfaces on our mind's lake. Some call it intuition.
 
If you look at our lives , normally after a commute to work and back for 
a couple of hours, working 7-8 hours, attending to family or personal 
chores for another 3-4 hours, and after normal sleep time of 7-8 hours, 
we are hardly left with 2-4  hours to ourselves, when we can really 
nurture ourselves inwardly. And of the 3-4 hours for ourselves everyday 
do we seldom even think of of going within, other than doing something 
outwardly. This is the difficulty which we all have to face if we think 
it appropriate for us to go within.
 
On weekends we have  a little more time to nurture ourselves compared to 
the week days.
 
The outward activity or interactive situations do impose their auras,and 
our auras interact to create a resultant. But if we choose not to 
identify with the mixing of the auras and yet observe and discern with a 
clear head and heart, then we find most situations work out naturally. 
When we impose ourselves within the structure, and we cannot read minds, 
we hurriedly react instead of a heartfelt and head discerned response.
 
It is very true when you mention that 'we need to harken back to our own 
individual selves to get grounded and tune in to our innermost light." 
On one level we are all one no doubt, but just think how many of us look 
at everything in our lives from that standpoint. We choose to identify 
more with individuality than with the One in ALL or the All in One. 
It is also true that we need to have our individuality in this three 
dimensional world. The real experience is how we relate to everything 
around and within us  and maintaining a sense of harmony between the 
two, and to have a balance. 
Other who are not at the same level as your understanding, many a time 
create problems for us, don't they. It is matter of thinking and 
understanding on both sides so that all relationships can be expanded 
on the points of commonality, instead of differences. In the process, 
someone has to give in , step back. But taking a step backward at the 
time may in all possibility turn in your favor, later. 
 
In this modern age we expect almost everything to happen at the push of 
a button, but the ways of Nature are slow moving but they do become long 
lasting.
 
In Love, Life and Light,
 
Indra 
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 22:21:27 -0400 
From: heidi <heidiATnospamadan.kingston.net> 
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: Re: favorite charities 
Message-Id: <199710080221.WAA00387ATnospamadan.kingston.net> 
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>  Giving and giving without getting anything back, leads to resentment and 
>burnout. Not a very holy state.. even Christ got a foot massauge, and a 
>nice palm leaf donkey ride parade.. and was way grateful for both.  
> 
Mystress
 
It is of the utmost importance to replenish oneself as often as needed for, 
if we allow our "well" to dry up, there will be nothing left to give to the 
thirsty. 
 
buckets of  Love
 
Am 
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 19:19:17 +0100 
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com> 
To: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospamsynopsys.com> 
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: Kundalini and Holy Spirit (was Pentecostal Kundalini) 
Message-ID: <343A7D24.6AB1ATnospamintercomm.com> 
 
Kurt Keutzer wrote: 
>  
> Gloria writes: 
> >HI Kurt, 
> >Actually I meant to write one is not better then the other, they are 
> >just coming from different places with different frequencies, I was glad 
> >to find in a book called Cosmic Shakti Kundalini by Sadguru Sant 
> >Keshavadas the eternal cosmic or universal is called Maha Kundalini 
> >while in the individual psychic energy is called Kula Kundalini. I was 
> >glad they made a distinction since there is certainly a difference to me 
> >in frequency and power. Maha only comes down from the crown when you are 
> >ready to work with cosmic power while kula is doing the work in the 
> >preparation of this event.I do believe it has to be experienced to be 
> >understood.  Gloria 
>  
> I presume we're all writing from our experience here but 1) I feel my 
> experience is only one leg of the tripod - the others being direction from 
> (more) realized teachers and from the classical literature. So were I to 
> draw only on my own experience I would say that the rising of the kundalini 
> - obliterating my identity at the heart and leading me to a complete sense 
> of universal unity  at the crown  was a far more profound experience 
> (albeit temporary)than the blissful drip of the holy spirit from above.
 
Gloria: 
 Here is where we are hitting the snag, you are assuming the Holy Spirit 
coming down from the crown is a blissful drip, from my experience it 
comes down with so much power when it meets up with kundalini that you 
would think you would die for sure. There is no description of it, and 
it to continues to enter just as kundalini continues to climb and work. 
This is how the regeneration is done and why some folks don't stay in 
the body to long. What most people speak of in churches as the baptism 
of the Holy Spirit is not what I'm referring to although that is a part 
of it just as a kundalini release is a part of the awakening process. 
When it actually creates and finishes its path through the nerve pathway 
it is absolute power.
 
 Holy Spirit fire is the Ain Sof Ore of the Jewish/hebrew tradition and 
it sits at the 8th chakra above the head once that chakra has form as is 
prepared to go into action in harmony with the seven in the body. This 
is where the distinction of power is, I'm speaking of working with it as 
you work with kundalini. At this point kundalini is a mild dragon in 
comparison, Ain Sof Ore is divine will manifest. Or the Malu Kundalini 
of the eastern thought. It represents divine cosmic power instead of 
individual. Gloria  
ternet for spiritual growth. 
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 19:30:01 +0100 
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com> 
To: indra <indraATnospamsmartt.com> 
CC: David Hodges <dhodgesATnospamrecol.com>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: Namaste and Mangalum 
Message-ID: <343A7FA7.3508ATnospamintercomm.com> 
 
indra wrote: 
>  
> David Hodges wrote: 
> > 
> > 
> 
 
> The words Namaste and Mangalam or Mangalum. (Spelling in English may 
> differ). 
> The Sanskrit original for Namaste is Namaste Ashtu meaning the Divine in 
> me salutes the Divine in  you. Coloquially it also means I bow to you. 
> The South Indian version of this sanskrit word is Namsakaram. 
> The South Indian Languages are different from the Sanskrit Mother 
> language so to speak, of which all the North Indian languages are the 
> children,not illegitimate though. But all South Indian languages have 
> similar words with slightly different spelling (ie: sound)which are 
> derivatives from the Sankrit. 
> In Sanskrit the root word for "keep well" in english is Mangal. 
> For purposes of poetical rhymes the same word is used as Mangalam. 
> The mangal actually goes beyond the feeling of keeping weel alone. It 
> has an affinity to be expressed from the heart as in " Sincerely wish 
> you all the best, or sincerely wish you keep well. It is very difficult 
> to ewxpress the real feeling of Mangal or Mangalam in words. 
> Hope this gives more light to your question. 
>  
> In Love, Life & Light, 
>  
> Indra
 
One or two words say so much, thanks for sharing that. Gloria
 
-- 
 
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.  
Gloria Joy Greco  
 e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepage at: 
http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/ 
My homepage is to help individuals learn how to use the internet for 
spiritual growth. 
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 19:37:37 -0700 
From: indra <indraATnospamsmartt.com> 
To: Sunil R Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in> 
CC: Graham Dumpleton <Graham.DumpletonATnospamnms.otc.com.au>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: Kundalini and Holy Spirit (was Pentecostal Kundalini) 
Message-ID: <343AF1F0.4872ATnospamsmartt.com> 
 
Sunil R Peswani wrote: 
>  
> On Tue, 7 Oct 1997, Graham Dumpleton wrote: 
>  
> >  > Kurt Keutzer wrote: 
> >  > > Earlier Gloria said: 
> >  > > Kundalini is connected to the universal in that 
> >  > > >it is a step in the process. Gloria 
> >  > > 
> >  > > I've been letting this sit - while continuing to think about it. I am 
> >  > > inclined to believe that kundalini and cosmic energy-clear light-holy 
> >  > > spirit are not really different - they are just situated differently in the 
> >  > > human body. .... 
> >  > 
> >  > HI Kurt, 
> >  > Actually I meant to write one is not better then the other, they are 
> >  > just coming from different places with different frequencies, ... Gloria 
>  
>         The energy coming from higher level is much much better compared to 
> any type of kundalini energy generated. 
> ram 
>  
> > 
> > The way I see it, "energy is energy". 
>  Graham Dumpleton (grahamdATnospamnms.otc.com.au) 
> > 
> > 
>         Matter is also a form of energy, but it is different from any 
> heat or electric energy. Thought is also a form of energy but again it is 
> not same as heat or electric energy. 
>  
>         Kundalini energy is of many types. It is energy of astral thought level. 
> K-energy of hate level tends towards matter more compared to k-energy of 
> love level. 
>         But higher energy is way beyond these k-energies. 
>  
> E X P E R I E N C E D .................r    a    m.
 
I am rather surprised to find that a few choose to define everything fro 
m the standpoint of ego. They profess they are the experienced, but the  
post of Experienced Ram, is quite misleading,according to my humble 
opinion. May be he knows it all, but how come he is still in three 
diemnsions like us mortals gaining experience and learning on this 
earthly plane. 
Any way it's his choice how he/she wishes to express to those around , 
in this  mortal plane. 
 
Indra 
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 20:16:54 -0700 
From: indra <indraATnospamsmartt.com> 
To: heidi <heidiATnospamadan.kingston.net> 
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: favorite charities 
Message-ID: <343AFB25.1763ATnospamsmartt.com> 
 
heidi wrote: 
>  
> >  Giving and giving without getting anything back, leads to resentment and 
> >burnout. Not a very holy state.. even Christ got a foot massauge, and a 
> >nice palm leaf donkey ride parade.. and was way grateful for both. 
> > 
> Mystress 
>  
> It is of the utmost importance to replenish oneself as often as needed for, 
> if we allow our "well" to dry up, there will be nothing left to give to the 
> thirsty. 
>  
> buckets of  Love 
>  
> Am
 
 
 
Heidi ! 
Resentment, Burn Outs and Anger comes from the nonfulfillments of our 
expectations, and when we fail to emphathize or understand the other. 
I will relate an experience of my own on what receiving means when not 
expecting anything and giving in the first place.
 
I met a genuine spiritual person of this list. I was invited to visit. 
After and hour of chatting I was shown a collection of very beautiful 
crystals.I was particularly feeling one of them time and again, there 
was no thought making me do it.My host took up that same crystal and 
gave it to me for me to keep. I did ask if it was okay. I accepted the  
giving graciously and acknolwedged the giving. There was no expectation 
of anything involved. I am sure my host felt the same way when the 
crystal was handed over to me to keep. So there was no expectation on 
either side, but some understanding of our inner selves  which makes us 
to be , in the being . 
No expectation , no resentment or burnouts.  
So is the scenarios you presented aluuding to Jesus receiving a foot 
massage. it is the feeling behind the giving that counts. we can choose 
that expecting something and feel resentment when we do not receive 
back. 
So it is our own creation how we give and receive and with what motive 
behind.
 
In Love, Life & Light,
 
Indra 
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 11:04:14 +0500 (GMT+0500) 
From: Sunil R Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in> 
To: David Hodges <dhodgesATnospamrecol.com> 
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: Namaste and Mangalum 
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On Tue, 7 Oct 1997, David Hodges wrote:
 
> Sorry if this is a bit off-topic, but I have seen people using both Namaste 
> and Mangalum as sign-offs for their posts, the latter only once. I have 
> heard "mangalum" (don't know if that is the correct spelling) in chants but 
> don't know what it means. I remember hearing that Namaste means "The God in 
> me salutes the God in you", but I'm not sure if that is right. 
>  
> So my questions for any Indian experts on the list - 
> What do these words mean> Are they Sanskrit or what? 
> When is it appropriate to use one or the other? 
>  
> Thanks, 
> David 
> 	
 
 Your above meaning of Namaste is correct. Mangalam briefly means "well  
wishes" or  "best wishes". Both are originally Sanskrit words. Namaste is  
popular in North India and Mangalam is popular among Pundits of North and  
South India. All Indians educated and uneducated understand Namaste while  
Mangalam is considered a little scholarly and all Indians may not  
understand its meaning. 
ram>  
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 16:29:34 +1000 (EST) 
From: Graham.DumpletonATnospamnms.otc.com.au (Graham Dumpleton) 
To: ombabajiATnospamhotmail.com (Colin Jones) 
Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! 
Message-Id: <199710080629.QAA27615ATnospambaldric.pad.otc.com.au> 
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 > Fellow Spririts, 
 >  
 > The following is an essay which I wrote. It is the result of my years 
 > of contemplation and search for "Ultimate Truth". I hope you enjoy 
 > it... 
 > 
 > ... 
 > 
 > Every single thing that appears to exist within the universe is merely 
 > a perception in the mind. .... The idea that you or anyone else 
 > actually exists as an individual is merely an appearance in the mind. 
 > In reality there are no localised points of consciousness, there is 
 > only one Unchanging Being. There can be no separation from this Unity, 
 > not for anyone ever, not even in the slightest. This is a complete 
 > denial of even the concept of individuality.
 
In other words you are saying that the only thing that actually exists is 
God. We don't actually have our own consciousness and for that matter 
neither does God. There is just God's mind and nothing else.
 
 > Continuously become aware of yourself as unidentifiable  
 > Unchanging Being.  Live as Truth as much as you can, until you revert to  
 > it spontaneously.  Watch your mind continuously, moment to moment, and  
 > free your mind of all thoughts that contradict Truth.
 
But how can we do that. In order to be able to watch the mind entails having 
something separate to the mind. How can the mind watch the mind. Consider 
when we are thinking about something and our mind wanders. It is not our mind 
that realises it has wandered, it is something else. If there weren't something 
else to notice the mind wandered and draw it back to what we initially 
were thinking about, it would just keep on thinking about whatever it 
wanted and there is no way it could be controlled. Your argument thus 
seems contradictory, your own statements indicating that there must indeed  
be some sort of individuality or separation with the greater mind so as to 
allow to exist our personal minds. But we still need that separate thing 
to watch our mind, another separate thing within the greater mind. Let 
us call that consciousness for the time being.
 
 >    Detach yourself from things that makes the mind restless or  
 > disturbed.
 
What is this "yourself"? You have said that everything is the mind and 
since everything is in the mind, what makes us restless is the mind. So 
what we must do is detach the mind from the mind.  This can only work 
if the "yourself" is actually consciousness. That is, our true 
being is this consciousness and the personal mind is something which exists 
when we are in this physical plane.
 
 >    To go beyond the mind like this, it must first be eased into a silent  
 > state.
 
And now we must "go beyond". How can we do this if there isn't some sort of 
separation, some sort of individuality. For the mind to go beyond itself is 
impossible if the mind is everything.
 
The only real difference between your ideas and those who generally go around 
saying that we are all God, is that you specifically say that there is no 
concept of separate consciousness whereas others would say there is, but 
that the intent is to evolve so as to merge back into the whole.
 
This idea that we are all God is so full of contradictions. A Guru will say 
that we are all God and that the only difference between himself and his 
followers is that he remembers that he is God. If God knows everything and 
each of us is God, how can we forget that we are God. A Guru will say that to 
bring enlightment and know we are truly God, we must meditate on God. Does 
this mean we should meditate on ourself, after all we are God are we not. 
Further, if we are all God, how can the concept of Karma ever exist. Karma 
says if we do something bad, that something bad will happen back to us. But 
if I am God and you are God and I do something bad to you to hurt you, then 
I am immediately hurting myself, which is actually hurting everyone as after 
all everyone is actually God. If everything that everyone does actually affects 
everyone anyway and does so immediately, how can there be individual 
accounting for Karma, after all, you already got back the result of what you 
did.
 
These and other contradictions show that this whole argument that each of 
us is God (the Supreme God) starts to look a bit silly. True individuality 
has to exist for something like Karma to work. Now I am not saying that 
we are totally distinct from God. To say that is putting us at the same level 
of God and again pushing that we are each God, but totally separate Gods 
and really throws out the window the idea of there being a surpreme God 
who cannot be challenged. We are to God like light is to the sun. We are 
an emanation from God, a spark of the divine. We are not equal to God yet 
we are his creation and he is in us. Further do we always stay separate from 
God and always have individuality. If in the end we all merged back with 
God, what was the point of the whole exercise. After all, God is surpreme 
and knows everything and thus supposedly has nothing to learn.
 
Now, I know that there will be a long queue of people waiting to disagree 
with this. Well, before you post back saying "but, but", take the time to 
first read:
 
  http://www.cebu-online.com/lifeforce/you_are_not_god.html
 
This is another Jagad Guru writing and before you start thinking that I am 
a Jagad Guru disciple, I am not. The only reason I have  mentioned him 
in two messages now is that I just happened to stumble onto him last 
week and thus his stuff is recent in my mind. Finding his stuff though 
was quite refreshing as it mirrored many of my own thoughts and was 
certainly a change from the more traditional and somewhat stale teachings 
given by Gurus in the west.
 
Now this should be an interesting debate, but, please read what Jagad Guru 
says. What I give is so superficial compared to what he has to say and perhaps 
it may just make you look at things a little bit differently.
 
Enjoy. :-)
 
--  
Graham Dumpleton (grahamdATnospamnms.otc.com.au) 
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 03:00:27 PDT 
From: "Colin Jones" <ombabajiATnospamhotmail.com> 
To: Graham.DumpletonATnospamnms.otc.com.au 
Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! 
Message-ID: <19971008100029.19574.qmailATnospamhotmail.com> 
Content-Type: text/plain
 
Dear Graham,
 
> >    Detach yourself from things that makes the mind restless or  
> > disturbed. 
> 
>What is this "yourself"? You have said that everything is the mind and  
since everything is in the mind, what makes us restless is the mind. So  
what we must do is detach the mind from the mind.  This can only work if  
the "yourself" is actually consciousness. That is, our true being is  
this consciousness and the personal mind is something which exists when  
we are in this physical plane.
 
  Everything that can be put into words is obviously going to be  
contradictory to Truth, since Truth existed before the words and is  
beyond them.  The words are simply meant to be a pointer to Truth, a  
pathway that if followed WITHOUT THINKING may result in the removement  
of the mind, with removal of the pathway simultaneously.  In a dualistic  
world, everything must appear to be contradictory.  The fact that you  
see contradiction, when in fact Truth consists wholly of Unity,  
obviously points to the fact that you must move beyond the point of  
seeming contradiction!
 
   As for the "yourself" that I am referring to, I am speaking to YOU!   
I am speaking to the ego, the part of you which believes itself to be  
individual and separate from God.  It is the most appropriate way of  
speaking to something which exists in a world of separation.  But I am  
not saying that "you" exist, only that you think you exist.  Like a  
mirror reflecting the circumstances.  But without any mirror or  
circumstances!
 
   I am certainly not saying that you must detach the mind from the  
mind.  I am saying that you must extinguish that which believes itself  
to be anything other than Pure Unchanging Consciousness.
 
> >    To go beyond the mind like this, it must first be eased into a  
silent state. 
> 
>And now we must "go beyond". How can we do this if there isn't some  
sort of separation, some sort of individuality. For the mind to go  
beyond itself is impossible if the mind is everything.
 
   Firstly, the mind is certainly not everything.  It is in essence  
absolutely nothing, a concept.  And the separation I speak of is not.   
It is merely a thought, a creation of an illusioned mind.  And the mind  
is not necessary to exist, so by extinguishing it's thoughts of  
individuality, Pure Unchanging Being is experienced.  Going Beyond is  
merely another way of saying Returning to the Source, ie. it is not a  
going forward but rather an un-knowing of that which is not.
 
>This idea that we are all God is so full of contradictions.
 
   I am not sure you read my essay correctly!  It is certainly not going  
to be understood by your mind!  It is beyond the concept of mind.  The  
idea is to Experience it, not analyze it.
 
>A Guru will say that to bring enlightment and know we are truly God, we  
must meditate on God. Does this mean we should meditate on ourself,  
after all we are God are we not.
 
   Yet again, I wonder if you have read my essay correctly?  How can you  
meditate on yourself as God, unless you meditate on Pure Unchanging  
Consciousness.  Meditating on your ego is only going to help you  
understand the illusional world.  Certainly your ego is a part of God,  
but it is not ALL of God.  And the only way to contemplate ALL of God is  
to contemplate the Void, the Source, that which has never changed...
 
>Further, if we are all God, how can the concept of Karma ever exist.  
Karma says if we do something bad, that something bad will happen back  
to us.
 
   Yes, it will happen to the individual, ie. the part of you that  
dillusionally thinks it exists as a separate being!  
 
>These and other contradictions show that this whole argument that each  
of us is God (the Supreme God) starts to look a bit silly. True  
individuality has to exist for something like Karma to work. Now I am  
not saying that we are totally distinct from God. To say that is putting  
us at the same level of God and again pushing that we are each God, but  
totally separate Gods and really throws out the window the idea of there  
being a surpreme God who cannot be challenged. We are to God like light  
is to the sun. We are an emanation from God, a spark of the divine. We  
are not equal to God yet we are his creation and he is in us. Further do  
we always stay separate from God and always have individuality. If in  
the end we all merged back with God, what was the point of the whole  
exercise. After all, God is surpreme and knows everything and thus  
supposedly has nothing to learn.
 
  Well certainly you are welcome to your opinion.  After all, all paths  
will obviously end up in the same goal eventually.
 
Love & Blessings,
 
Colin
 
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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 06:30:50 -0400 
From: "Ed Arrons" <eeaATnospamaug.com> 
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: Kundalini Joy Spot 
Message-Id: <199710081031.GAA20137ATnospamsandia.aug.com> 
 
Just a thought: 
The Joyous essence of Supreme Consciousness fills the lower chakra  
until released as Kundalini.  When the release occurs appropriately  
in meditation the Joy flows into our everyday experience.  
 
>>I have as a 'target' in meditation a "Transcendence Point",  a place 
or focus in consciousness that lies precisely between my inner self and 
the outer world.  When a perfect balance is struck,  I find an opening 
into the Realm of Joy.  The 'Joy Spot'.
 
The gravity of everyday reality will pull me back, abruptly and unknow- 
ingly -until I become aware of the loss and renew the process.  A recent 
experience brought me back to ground zero and I had to do some intense 
'climbing'.   I find myself going through numerous cycles each day -with 
increasing frequency.  Each time I do, the time it takes me to focus and 
find the point of balance is reduced.....the duration of effect, increased.
 
>Question: 
What does this place or focus feel or look like? What comes to your mind 
when you focus on this ?
 
I experience a momentous shift in perception from the sequential to the 
simultaneous: First I see the collection of things which is the everyday 
world;  I take a full breath and close my eyes -then slowly release my 
breath and open my eyes; now I see the world in its Oneness. A Oneness 
of pure Joy.  A Joy that fills my being with a gentle radiance, making my 
encounter with others a joyous adventure.  This is the closest I have 
gotten to feeling unconditional love in my everyday reality.
 
A big challenge is how to experience this on the Internet.  If this could 
be achieved the effect on our world would be profound. 
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 07:35:06 -0400 
From: David Hodges <dhodgesATnospamrecol.com> 
To: indra <indraATnospamsmartt.com> 
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: Namaste and Mangalum 
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Indra, 
  Thanks very much. This was very helpful and was exactly what I was 
looking for. 
Mangalum, 
David
 
At 03:53 PM 10/7/97 -0700, indra wrote: 
> 
>Hello David, 
>The words Namaste and Mangalam or Mangalum. (Spelling in English may 
>differ). 
>The Sanskrit original for Namaste is Namaste Ashtu meaning the Divine in 
>me salutes the Divine in  you. Coloquially it also means I bow to you. 
>The South Indian version of this sanskrit word is Namsakaram. 
>The South Indian Languages are different from the Sanskrit Mother 
>language so to speak, of which all the North Indian languages are the 
>children,not illegitimate though. But all South Indian languages have 
>similar words with slightly different spelling (ie: sound)which are 
>derivatives from the Sankrit. 
>In Sanskrit the root word for "keep well" in english is Mangal. 
>For purposes of poetical rhymes the same word is used as Mangalam. 
>The mangal actually goes beyond the feeling of keeping weel alone. It 
>has an affinity to be expressed from the heart as in " Sincerely wish 
>you all the best, or sincerely wish you keep well. It is very difficult 
>to ewxpress the real feeling of Mangal or Mangalam in words. 
>Hope this gives more light to your question. 
> 
>In Love, Life & Light, 
> 
>Indra 
> 
> 
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