1997/10/07  18:50  
 kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #499 
  
kundalini-l-d Digest				Volume 97 : Issue 499
 
Today's Topics: 
  Re: Growing with Kundalini 
  Siddha Yoga Website 
  my physical created  e-mail address for i 
  Namaste and Mangalum 
  Realm of Joy 
  Re: Piercing Rudra Knot 
  Re: White ? 
  Re: Kundalini and Holy Spirit (was Pentecostal Kundalini) 
  Re: favorite charities 
  Re: Kundalini and Holy Spirit (was Pentecostal Kundalini) 
  Re: Kundalini and Holy Spirit (was Pentecostal Kundalini) 
  Re: Namaste and Mangalum 
  Re: Kundalini and Holy Spirit (was Pentecostal Kundalini) 
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:32:41 -0400 
From: imtgATnospamjuno.com (tg xxx) 
To: zymphtATnospambluewin.ch 
Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: Growing with Kundalini 
Message-ID: <19971007.093242.10862.14.imtgATnospamjuno.com>
 
Zympht wrote.... 
>>Automatically?  In the physical world, growth happens without effort -  
a child grows into a physical adult without specifically trying to do so. 
Beyond the physical, I feel that there is one attribute that gives humans 
a special capacity for growth - willful awareness.  I feel that spiritual 
growth is perhaps the willful expansion of awareness.  It takes a special 
kind of (non)effort to accomplish this expansion.  As you say, it is the 
process of unlearning.  We have learned limits to our awareness and in 
order for awareness to expand, we must unlearn them or remember them as 
the arbitrary boundaries that they are.>>
 
Morning Zympht & All...
 
I guess a more appropriate way of saying automatically is that I am being 
led on what to do and when to do it -- like you said, a willful expansion 
of awareness.    Most likely I am hearing a clearer voice than before - 
not sure about this (apparently THAT voice isn't that clear).  More of a 
knowing than a voice.  (heart chakra??)   
> 
>A beautifully refreshing idea that has entered my awareness is that a  
>great>big, arduous spiritual effort is not required to expand awareness. 
  
>That>special (non)effort can be exercised under any condition or  
>circumstance of>being alive and conscious.  One needs only willful 
awareness to expand>awareness.
 
Agreed!   
> 
>So what, throw away the books and stop actively "practicing"  
>spirituality?>No.  This is too idealistic. 
 
I agree on this too.  It is an active pursuit.  Use it or lose it, is the 
old saying.  Don't know if that applies to spirituality, as that is 
something that is always there (altho sometimes quite hidden).   It may 
expand your intellect, which is important in itself.   We can always 
learn from others if our mind is open to it.    Removing the blocks to 
love's awareness (the unlearning process) to see what is already there, 
is much easier - nothing to learn then.   
   
<< I feel that some effort is helpful and >perhaps>accelerates the 
process (why is acceleration a goal?).>>
 
I think moreso than it accelerates the process, is that it brings 
awareness to the forefront.   I used to see acceleration as a goal, but 
found it wasn't right for me.  Acceleration to me meaning, a lot like a 
car accelerating - you step on the gas pedal to get where you are going 
quicker.  I kept hitting potholes, getting stopped for speeding tickets, 
getting in accidents, LOL....  A lousy driver, I was!
 
A much easier and enjoyable way is to be the passenger with a good safe 
driver (if I am unable to drive myself  without accelerating).    You'll 
get to the same destination, but without all the accidents,  speeding 
tickets and wear and tear on your car.   Maybe even get there sooner, as 
I'm not stopped to heal from the accidents and have to have major or 
minor work done on my car.   This way also, I can also enjoy the scenery 
and the ride, plus have good company on the way. 
 
  As you know, >examples>of expanded awareness can be found in books from 
all over the world.  >These>can be quite inspiring and may open new doors 
and directions for your >own>expansion.  And some form of exercise is 
indispensable, if only as a 
>re-affirmation of the will to expand.  Pop!
 
And if it appeals to me, I'll do it.  It's just another path to take, a 
sideroad, a scenic route.   I'm in no rush to get to my destination as 
before.   
> 
>In the race for perfection, don't forget to include human imperfection  
>in>that perfection.  Darkness, ignorance and an "imperfect" body are 
also  
>valid>and present expressions of humanity including each and every one 
of  
>us.  They>cannot be excluded or removed from your ever-expanding bubble. 
 They  
>give you>a depth and beauty that is perfection.
 
You said that beautifully.  I didn't mean that I was *working on* the 
perfect body, if that is what you meant  -- Still comparing it to an 
automobile,  I meant moreso that I was getting tuneups, engine work, 
etc.... getting my car/body at least in workable order.    I don't know 
what it needs at this point -- maybe just a tuneup,  a major overhaul, a 
good haircut LOL, whatever.   I do know that I want to be able to drive 
it anywhere I choose to, but have to get it working a bit better first to 
do that.   Being I don't know how to do that, I have the best mechanic I 
can find working with me on it, teaching me, showing me the way.
 
There is beauty in all things - Perfection in the imperfect.  What is 
that saying though..... God grant me the ability to change the things I 
can, and to accept the things I cannot.  I thought I could change the 
things in my life, but found I couldn't - it was obvious that they WERE 
changeable.  I just couldn't do it tho.  So I had to accept that I could 
not.  I thought that meant to accept  it and live with it.  But what I 
discovered was that now I'm not changing it, but it is being changed for 
me, in a way that I would never be able to do it before.  Interesting - 
like I said -- just going along for the ride.   There is action on my 
part, but it is action I was unable to do previously.  That came with 
acceptance.     
 
>I enjoyed your web site!  Lots of interesting links.
 
Thanks for visiting and sharing your thoughts with me.  I appreciate you 
taking the time.  Always enjoy your posts.
 
xxxtg
 
" On the other hand, you have different fingers."
 
 http://members.aol.com/Teeegeee/tgsplace.html    <~~~~ on the web now! 
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:33:49 -0400 
From: PaulATnospamlouisville.lib.ky.us 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Siddha Yoga Website 
Message-Id: <E0xIbdt-000421-00ATnospamiglou1>
 
Siddha Yoga now has an official website located at:
 
 http://www.syda.org 
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 10:29:32 PDT 
From: "zarcon pitom" <zarconpitomATnospamhotmail.com> 
To: kundalini-l-dATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: my physical created  e-mail address for i 
Message-ID: <19971007172932.27227.qmailATnospamhotmail.com> 
Content-Type: text/plain
 
i am zarcon of the ages.....it has been felt by i that some physicals  
may wish to commune with i.....my physical has named i .....it is  
Pitom.....and so.....i am Zarcon Pitom.....
 
i am zarconpitomATnospamhotmail.com
 
zarcon 
i am of the ages 
 
______________________ 
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com 
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 13:45:55 -0400 
From: David Hodges <dhodgesATnospamrecol.com> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Namaste and Mangalum 
Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971007134555.009a1e40ATnospammail.recol.net> 
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Sorry if this is a bit off-topic, but I have seen people using both Namaste 
and Mangalum as sign-offs for their posts, the latter only once. I have 
heard "mangalum" (don't know if that is the correct spelling) in chants but 
don't know what it means. I remember hearing that Namaste means "The God in 
me salutes the God in you", but I'm not sure if that is right.
 
So my questions for any Indian experts on the list - 
What do these words mean? 
Are they Sanskrit or what? 
When is it appropriate to use one or the other?
 
Thanks, 
David 
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:56:16 -0400 
From: "Ed Arrons" <eeaATnospamaug.com> 
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: Realm of Joy 
Message-Id: <199710071756.NAA03119ATnospamsandia.aug.com> 
 
Hi Sue, 
 
Just wanted to share this:
 
I have as a 'target' in meditation a "Transcendence Point",  a place or focus 
in consciousness that lies precisely between my inner self and the outer world. 
   
There, when I strike a perfect balance, is an opening into the Realm of Joy.  
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 11:19:34 +0100 
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com> 
To: smacraeATnospamcamtech.net.au 
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: Piercing Rudra Knot 
Message-ID: <343A0CB4.4D45ATnospamintercomm.com> 
 
Susanne Macrae wrote: 
>  
> Dear list members, 
> K is working on piercing the Rudra knot.  My head feels like a ten pin 
> bowling ball in motion with legs and arms flailing.  My stomach is 
> churning and I have nausea. I am on the edge of a reality shift.  This 
> has been happening for a while and very intense today.  Can anyone help 
> with some stabilising techniques while encouraging the process? 
> love, sue
 
- 
Emerse yourself in a hot bath with bubbles, just lay there and release 
your anxiety, and observe and let go. Gloria- 
 
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.  
Gloria Joy Greco  
 e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepage at: 
http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/ 
My homepage is to help individuals learn how to use the internet for 
spiritual growth. 
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 10:57:20 +0100 
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com> 
To: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu> 
CC: indra <indraATnospamsmartt.com>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: White ? 
Message-ID: <343A077F.AAEATnospamintercomm.com> 
 
Ruth Trimble wrote: 
>  
> Hi Indra: 
I have since questioned my healer and I guess I got the White light 
issue 
> from someone else, because she agrees with you.. white is pure and 
> protective. I guess it sparked a good few letters! <GRIN> 
> Now I want to knwo if anyone knows the value of different colors of root 
> cords into the planet... I sometimes can run a white one, and other times 
> I can only get a yellow or purple down.  any ideas on that one?
 
Everyone has a ray of light he or she is most attuned to and work 
through, so this ray is the primary ray and you have minor rays that you 
pick up light from, that is likely what your referring to. There are 
seven rays which deal with different harmonics persay, each individual 
relates to God through a primary light ray made from the first three and 
two secondary which makes up his or her major key. A major key is a 1st 
3rd and 5th in music, so in order to integrate yourself and build higher 
bodies of light you build a whole key to play your life through, you go 
on from there to seventh and even nineths which are beyond this state. 
Gloria
 
 
>  
> *****
 
-- 
 
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.  
Gloria Joy Greco  
 e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepage at: 
http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/ 
My homepage is to help individuals learn how to use the internet for 
spiritual growth. 
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 11:11:25 
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com> 
To: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospamsynopsys.com> 
Cc: lodpressATnospamintercomm.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: Kundalini and Holy Spirit (was Pentecostal Kundalini) 
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At 14:13 06/10/97 -0700, Kurt Keutzer wrote: 
> 
>I've been letting this sit - while continuing to think about it. 
  Likewise..  
> I am 
>inclined to believe that kundalini and cosmic energy-clear light-holy 
>spirit are not really different - they are just situated differently in the 
>human body. 
  I agree with you. The energy is all One, tho it is colored by different 
paths.. which are perceptible to us, only.. beyond time and space, the idea 
of "pathways" tends to fall down illogical. We percieve the energy as 
different, as we compare a car battery and lightning as different.. there's 
that lightening metaphor, again.. but it is all electricity.  
> Sometimes I think that the myth of the prometheus is the story 
>of how prometheus ``stole'' the kundalini from the gods and brougth it to 
>humankind. Sitting inside us it gives a freedom and independence from the 
>cosmic will. But the ultimate destiny is to return the kundalini to the 
>gods through its ascension. 
>Kurt 
> 
  Put "Serpent" and "Apple" in the similar roles of "Prometheus" and 
"Kundalini", and we have yet another, similar myth.. the "effects" of the 
apple and the effects of K. have some similarities.. fiery red apple root 
chakra growing on the "tree of life", Serpents winding round the cadeceus.. 
 
  Give the apple back to God-dess: shoot the K. fire up out the crown 
chakra to higher self, feel the sunlight spirit love flowing back down in 
response, right down thru me and into the Earth Mother.. she sends love 
flowing back to the apple in response, to the tree of life that is me.. up 
thru the heart and outward, upward to higher self..the circuit is eternal 
and ever building. Awareness of the circuts flowing, is being "grounded". A 
good mental spiritual connected state to live in. The tree, nourished by 
earth and sun both.
 
  The circut, tho soothing and nuturing, is an illusion.. energy going from 
"here to there and back" falls down when outside space-time, there is no 
here or there, only here. The endless moment.  
  The primal energy of creation shapes itself into all that is, that we 
percieve.. we label it this and that.. but that does not change the 
underlying truth that All is One, and One is All.  Perceptions. Illusion.  
  I live within space-time, mostly, tho.. so the curcuit of energy is a 
goodness.  
 Blessings, Mystress. 
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 12:28:14 
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com> 
To: Graham.DumpletonATnospamnms.otc.com.au (Graham Dumpleton) 
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: favorite charities 
Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19971007122814.25d76044ATnospamdomin8rex.com> 
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At 09:03 07/10/97 +1000, Graham Dumpleton wrote: 
> > Graham Dumpleton wrote: 
> > > If there is "self interest" in such actions, are you really advancing 
> > > your "personal evolution".  
> > > ... 
> 
> Indra Wrote: 
> > In conclusion: it is the silent motive within us which is prompts us 
> > to act, and when the motive is not in harmony with our outward action, 
> > in spite of the fact that the outward action may benefit someone or 
> > something, does not preclude the fact that some good is being done.
 
> The only action which 
>can provide us with constant happiness is the love of God. Thus to love God 
>and undertake actions for him and in his service will always give you more 
>happiness than any actions intended to bring happiness to yourself or 
>others which is based on our material existance. 
> 
>--  
>Graham Dumpleton (grahamdATnospamnms.otc.com.au) 
> 
  If one knows, as we do, that "good deeds" are beneficial to our spiritual 
growth, acting on that information is in our own best interests.. and 
therefore self-serving.  ..no other way to slice it. and so what?  
  Of course, the impulse comes from Goddess.. we are wired to be motivated 
by fear and desire.  
  Any way you slice it, either you are acting with love for yourself, Diety 
and others, or you are not. If you are not, then you are being self- 
destructive, other-destructive, and will reap what is sown. 
  Choosing not to do this, to act in love, is acting in one's own self 
interest. This is unaviodable, and is as it should be.. Goddess rewards 
acts of Kindness. 
  Every religion tells that we gain by being good to others. This is a 
cosmic promise that we base our actions on, why pretend it isn't?? Who are 
you fooling? 
 
  Win-win situations are most effective and harmonious... It almost seems 
that someone is advocating a Win/lose scenario with the loser being a 
complete martyr .. I cannot see that being more effective than seeking for 
all to benefit from any interaction. Even if the benefit on one side, is 
the pleasure of serving God-dess.  
  Why is there this idea, also, that impulses to charity are holier than 
impulses to care for oneself? If inside is outside, caring for yourself and 
your own happiness, is important to being able to care well for others, 
with out one's own needs interfering so.. one must care for our own 
strength and happiness, if we want to have happiness to share.. we must 
love ourselves, before we can love another. Charity begins at home. 
 
  It is as foolish as the Mother who works herself to death, 'selflessly' 
caring for her children. If she spends some priority caring for herself, 
her children would still have a Mother..  
  Giving and giving without getting anything back, leads to resentment and 
burnout. Not a very holy state.. even Christ got a foot massauge, and a 
nice palm leaf donkey ride parade.. and was way grateful for both.  
  Kundalini sure makes my feet sore, sometimes.. super intense tingles 
almost hurt. Somebody gives me a foot massague, they get my gatitude, too.. 
and a hefty dose of K. fire from my feet!! If they are foot fetishists, 
there is a whole other bonus they are getting, as well. ;) By seeking out a 
massueuse who will benefit, win-win from the activity, I get my feet 
massauged more often, which in turn, means clearer energy for shaktizap 
elsewhere healing others. Round and round it goes.. 
  To my mind, win/win charity, is a rocketship awareness of the 
interconnectedness of all things. It is also kinder.. nobody likes to get 
"Charity", and a "Barter", however appearing inequal, (I did it all to see 
you smiling) is more supportive of the self-esteem of those in need. No-one 
likes to feel indebted..  
  IMHO, being honest with yourself, and others about what you are getting 
in exchange for your "charity", is supporting the self esteem of those 
recieving, by absolving them of a sense of indebtedness. Even if the return 
on your gift is as intangible as a smile, or spiritual joy.  
 Blessings, Mystress. 
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 13:59:34 -0700 
From: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospamsynopsys.com> 
To: lodpressATnospamintercomm.com 
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, keutzerATnospamsynopsys.com 
Subject: Re: Kundalini and Holy Spirit (was Pentecostal Kundalini) 
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Gloria writes: 
>HI Kurt, 
>Actually I meant to write one is not better then the other, they are 
>just coming from different places with different frequencies, I was glad 
>to find in a book called Cosmic Shakti Kundalini by Sadguru Sant 
>Keshavadas the eternal cosmic or universal is called Maha Kundalini 
>while in the individual psychic energy is called Kula Kundalini. I was 
>glad they made a distinction since there is certainly a difference to me 
>in frequency and power. Maha only comes down from the crown when you are 
>ready to work with cosmic power while kula is doing the work in the 
>preparation of this event.I do believe it has to be experienced to be 
>understood.  Gloria 
 
I presume we're all writing from our experience here but 1) I feel my 
experience is only one leg of the tripod - the others being direction from 
(more) realized teachers and from the classical literature. So were I to 
draw only on my own experience I would say that the rising of the kundalini 
- obliterating my identity at the heart and leading me to a complete sense 
of universal unity  at the crown  was a far more profound experience 
(albeit temporary)than the blissful drip of the holy spirit from above. 
Moreover I would find a complete support for my assessment of the 
experience from recent contemporary teachers of kundalini yoga as well as 
in the classical literature such as Hatha Yoga Pradipika. However 2), my 
encyclopediac nature runs so deep that I am not content with this 
understanding alone. I want to understand everyone's perspective - 
Christian Charismatics, Taoists, Qi Gong pracititioners, Tibetan Tantrists 
and try to integrate all of these. Each of these traditions has a different 
depiction of energy flow and places a somewhat different emphasis on the 
final destination of the flow. 
 
Kurt 
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 14:23:22 -0700 
From: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospamsynopsys.com> 
To: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com> 
Cc: keutzerATnospamsynopsys.com, lodpressATnospamintercomm.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: Kundalini and Holy Spirit (was Pentecostal Kundalini) 
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Kurt wrote 
>>I've been letting this sit - while continuing to think about it. 
>  Likewise..  
>> I am 
>>inclined to believe that kundalini and cosmic energy-clear light-holy 
>>spirit are not really different - they are just situated differently in the 
>>human body. 
>  I agree with you. The energy is all One, tho it is colored by different 
>paths.. which are perceptible to us, only.. beyond time and space, the idea 
>of "pathways" tends to fall down illogical. We percieve the energy as 
>different, as we compare a car battery and lightning as different.. there's 
>that lightening metaphor, again.. but it is all electricity.  
>> Sometimes I think that the myth of the prometheus is the story 
>>of how prometheus ``stole'' the kundalini from the gods and brougth it to 
>>humankind. Sitting inside us it gives a freedom and independence from the 
>>cosmic will. But the ultimate destiny is to return the kundalini to the 
>>gods through its ascension. 
>>Kurt 
Angelique replies: 
>  Put "Serpent" and "Apple" in the similar roles of "Prometheus" and 
>"Kundalini", and we have yet another, similar myth.. the "effects" of the 
>apple and the effects of K. have some similarities.. fiery red apple root 
>chakra growing on the "tree of life", Serpents winding round the cadeceus.. 
 
This is another important myth - but I think it has a different meaning. I 
think this myth is similar to another myth: Spirit beings were attracted by 
tastes here on earth. They consumed more and more until they finally 
materialized. Once they materialized they forgot their spirit nature. I 
think of the Genesis myth as describing a being that was completely 
immersed in god/dess-hood and got coaxed into experiencing the lower 
cakras. The lower cakras caused a self-awareness but also created a sense 
of duality.  
>  Give the apple back to God-dess: 
 
if only Genesis actually said this!
 
Angelique continues: 
shoot the K. fire up out the crown 
>chakra to higher self, feel the sunlight spirit love flowing back down in 
>response, right down thru me and into the Earth Mother.. she sends love 
>flowing back to the apple in response, to the tree of life that is me.. up 
>thru the heart and outward, upward to higher self..the circuit is eternal 
>and ever building. Awareness of the circuts flowing, is being "grounded". A 
>good mental spiritual connected state to live in. The tree, nourished by 
>earth and sun both.
 
Maybe we can inventory the energy movements: 
Focus on kundalini awakened in the lower cakras - some varieties of paganism 
Focus on the kundalini rising to the crown -``kundalini yoga'' 
Focus on the descent of the white energy to the heart- ``Charismatic 
christianity'' 
Focus on the union of the white and red(kundalini) energy at the heart - 
Chinese alchemy, Indo-Tibetan Buddhism, western Alchemy 
Cycle of red energy to the crown and then the white energy down - Chinese 
alchemy - Indo-Tibetan Buddhism
 
Any others? I've thought about writing a FAQ-like description of each of 
these. Any interest out there?
 
> 
>  The circut, tho soothing and nuturing, is an illusion.. energy going from 
>"here to there and back" falls down when outside space-time, there is no 
>here or there, only here. The endless moment.  
>  The primal energy of creation shapes itself into all that is, that we 
>percieve.. we label it this and that.. but that does not change the 
>underlying truth that All is One, and One is All.  Perceptions. Illusion.  
>  I live within space-time, mostly, tho.. so the curcuit of energy is a 
>goodness.  
>	Blessings, Mystress.
 
That sounds just right. From fullness to fullness as the Upanishads say. 
But I too live within the states of transition.
 
Mangalam, Kurt 
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 15:53:20 -0700 
From: indra <indraATnospamsmartt.com> 
To: David Hodges <dhodgesATnospamrecol.com> 
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: Namaste and Mangalum 
Message-ID: <343ABD5F.3D48ATnospamsmartt.com> 
 
David Hodges wrote: 
>  
> Sorry if this is a bit off-topic, but I have seen people using both Namaste 
> and Mangalum as sign-offs for their posts, the latter only once.....chants but 
> don't know what it means.....What do these words mean? 
> Are they Sanskrit or what? 
> When is it appropriate to use one or the other?
 
Hello David, 
The words Namaste and Mangalam or Mangalum. (Spelling in English may 
differ). 
The Sanskrit original for Namaste is Namaste Ashtu meaning the Divine in 
me salutes the Divine in  you. Coloquially it also means I bow to you. 
The South Indian version of this sanskrit word is Namsakaram. 
The South Indian Languages are different from the Sanskrit Mother 
language so to speak, of which all the North Indian languages are the 
children,not illegitimate though. But all South Indian languages have 
similar words with slightly different spelling (ie: sound)which are 
derivatives from the Sankrit. 
In Sanskrit the root word for "keep well" in english is Mangal. 
For purposes of poetical rhymes the same word is used as Mangalam. 
The mangal actually goes beyond the feeling of keeping weel alone. It 
has an affinity to be expressed from the heart as in " Sincerely wish 
you all the best, or sincerely wish you keep well. It is very difficult 
to ewxpress the real feeling of Mangal or Mangalam in words. 
Hope this gives more light to your question.
 
In Love, Life & Light,
 
Indra 
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 16:15:42 
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com> 
To: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospamsynopsys.com> 
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: Kundalini and Holy Spirit (was Pentecostal Kundalini) 
Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19971007161542.34071d02ATnospamdomin8rex.com> 
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At 14:23 07/10/97 -0700, Kurt Keutzer wrote: 
>Kurt wrote 
>Angelique replies: 
>if only Genesis actually said this!
 
  Well, in my version, in my head, it does. Of course, in my version, 
Serpent is a good guy. All one energy, right?  
> 
>Angelique continues: 
>shoot the K. fire up out the crown 
>>chakra to higher self, feel the sunlight spirit love flowing back down in 
>>response, right down thru me and into the Earth Mother.. she sends love 
>>flowing back to the apple in response, to the tree of life that is me.. up 
>>thru the heart and outward, upward to higher self..the circuit is eternal 
>>and ever building. Awareness of the circuts flowing, is being "grounded". A 
>>good mental spiritual connected state to live in. The tree, nourished by 
>>earth and sun both. 
> 
>Maybe we can inventory the energy movements: 
>Focus on kundalini awakened in the lower cakras - some varieties of paganism 
>Focus on the kundalini rising to the crown -``kundalini yoga'' 
>Focus on the descent of the white energy to the heart- ``Charismatic 
>christianity'' 
>Focus on the union of the white and red(kundalini) energy at the heart - 
>Chinese alchemy, Indo-Tibetan Buddhism, western Alchemy 
>Cycle of red energy to the crown and then the white energy down - Chinese 
>alchemy - Indo-Tibetan Buddhism 
> 
>Any others? I've thought about writing a FAQ-like description of each of 
>these. Any interest out there? 
> 
  This made me giggle! I've got all the bases covered, eh? Whoopie!  
  Yes, I think such a FAQ comparing enegy movement meditations from 
different paths would be most interesting.  
 Blessings, Mystress.
 
 
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