1997/09/29 22:57
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #477
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 477
Today's Topics:
Re: Kundalini Awakening
Negativity and Aura colors
Beware Evan (et al.)
Re: Questions follow up
greetings :)
Re: Reply to Evan's Question
Re: Negativity and Aura colors
body-mind
Re: Ego/ego
Re: The Kundalini Perspective
Re: Evan's inquiry
Re: Beware Evan (et al.)
Re: Negativity and Aura colors
Re: Negativity
Re: Kundalini and Holy Spirit (was Pentecostal Kundalini)
Re: k-conference idea.
Re: greetings :)
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 19:24:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: GoodwulfeATnospamaol.com
To: MrNamasteATnospamwebtv.net
cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Kundalini Awakening
Message-ID: <970929185705_-961883240ATnospamemout16.mail.aol.com>
So then, how does one actually get the "diagnosis" of K.? Im "assuming"
that I'm experiencing it because of my symptoms, and because of where I am on
my path, "spiritually." But still, one cant be too certain because a silent
disease could be lurking... Ive had many dx's, and have been extremely ill
for many years now. I have severe inflammation in my organs for which I
sometimes take this horrible Prednisone, and other pain meds. I dont
however have any of the joyous or "bliss" moments that so many speak of. Im
constantly in a state of "heaviness". However, Im incredibly reminded of
Spirit, and my angels on a daily basis, because when I ask for "confirmation"
I receive it.
Back to my original question... Who does one speak to for a "Final
Opinion" on whether or not it's a Kundalini process? And if there is such
a person, How would he or she know for sure? Too many questions. I dont
like it. Im getting sicker as time goes on, and the meds arent working any
more.
Oddly, about a year or two ago, I started to CRAVE Yoga, (I have NEVER
taken it before in THIS lifetime) so desparately, that my body would twist
and contort to take on "positions" that I didnt even know about. All I knew,
is that it felt REALLY GOOD! I still dont have the physical strength to
take an "outside" Yoga class, so I just follow my intuition, and twist my
body how it prefers. Then, I open a book, and find the exact position on
a page!! I didnt study Yoga.... So how come I "KNOW IT?" Is that part
of the process? Im in love with Yoga. Very strange.
I also have an intense craving for "NOTHINGNESS"... Not to be dead,
mind you, but for total nothingness..... no sound, no light, no
movement... nothing.. So what is that? My theory is that its a craving
for God. Which doesnt necessarily mean a K. experience.
At the same time all of this "craving" is going on... my body(totally
exhausted) is "RACING" beyond imagination... It feels extremely
uncomfortable, like Im running 1000 miles an hour, sitting still. Id rather
be dead! This is pure hell and I dont see where the "Enlightenment" part
comes in... Why must there be soooooo much pain and torture? I dont
understand anymore. Enough is enough. Im an extremely compassionate
person to the point of physical pain... I serve... I acknowledge my higher
self... I honor myself and every other living thing on this planet... I
love...
So why? Why does the pain and exhaustion and lack of sleep EVERY night
just get worse, year after year? I havnt been able to work in 7 years.
Thats how long Ive been on Disability. I can do NOTHING for the planet or
humanity in the condition im in now. I can barely take a shower and brush
my teeth. So someone PLEASE explain to me WHY? Is this REALLY
KUNDALINI? ? ? Wouldnt I be of greater service on the "Other Side?" Will
someone, anyone, PLEASE offer guidance?
I would really like to know how YOU all got "diagnosed" with K.....
Fill me in please....
Thank you, for hanging in there through this arduous post.
Blessings, Kelly
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 19:50:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: LibraKat11ATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Negativity and Aura colors
Message-ID: <970929190449_271747892ATnospamemout06.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 97-09-29 00:57:02 EDT, you write:
<< amckeon wrote:
<< Think of a radio station that plays music you dislike (country
western, opera, polka, whatever), and then never being able to turn the
station or to turn off the radio! This is what having to experience the
negative vibes coming from those around me at work is like. >>
I have a question for the list concerning this. I'd like to know if anyone
else is experiencing difficulty with negative vibes at this point. There
are
some people in my life who are somewhat negative (well, actually maybe a lot
negative at times!) and recently, I'm finding it almost intolerable to be
around them. THEY haven't really changed, I just am having difficulty being
around them. In fact, it's almost intolerable.
In the past, I just accepted them as they were....but right now that's a lot
more difficult! I've always thought of myself as a compassionate, loving
person, but now
instead of feeling compassion, I'd just like to run from them!
One other question: There was a lot of helpful info on seeing blue. I've
been through the blue stage and now see an intense, shimmering deep-purple
glow. I keep seeing this over and over when I close my eyes. Any clues?
Love,
Kathy
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 19:20:01 -0500 (CDT)
From: hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com (Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D.)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Beware Evan (et al.)
Message-Id: <199709300020.TAA06632ATnospamdfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com>
Angelique's post to Joe made me the happiest I've been in a week. Yes,
yes, yes, Joe, look how HUMAN the posts have gotten in the past few
days. Hurt feelings, disappointments are harder to bear sometimes than
outrageous trespass, but, as you know better than anybody, they are
gold for self-awareness. Enlightened folk, God bless 'em, get so
silent and oblique when the knowing takes over. But it is HERE, in our
bodies, our kitchens and bedrooms and desires, that we're scrambling to
do the work. Heaven help us and you help us, too -- don't leave.
Love, Holly
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 20:32:42 +0000
From: Nancy <NancyATnospammagiccity.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Questions follow up
Message-ID: <34301056.1B10ATnospammagiccity.com>
Dear Bliss:
I am happy to hear that your boyfriend has a number of wonderful
qualities. In your earlier post, you were obviously focusing on just
certain qualities within him.
Spiritual compatibility is a major issue, in my perspective. If the one
you love can't accept your spiritual practice, a few things can happen:
1. You continue talking about your spiritual topics with your boyfriend
and he continues to feel unhappy about this.
2. You stop talking about the spiritual topics with him and find others
to share with. (This is what I did and it really caused a chasam in my
relationship.)
3. You can stuff your spiritual viewpoints to make him happy.
I have realized that it's far less painful to choose someone compatible
in the first place (especially spiritually!) I know I have in the past
made compromises because I was "in love." It's far more painful to lose
yourself and your spirit for a relationship. (Please read Ruth Trimble's
post Re: The Kundalini Perspective if you haven't done so already.)
In my 20s, I thought with enough love, I could help someone "see the
light." (Or the world the way I wanted them to see it.) It just doesn't
work. People will change their behavior for a while, but if there isn't
a corresponding inner change, it doesn't last. Furthermore, in
retrospect, it was incredibly insulting for me to think I had the
answers to his life.
Coincidences are nice. But realize, that you (and he) have a role in
creating these.
If you choose to continue with your relationship, you will at least be
continuing with your eyes open. I wish you well, dear Bliss.
Nancy
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 22:46:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: ArrowTsATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: greetings :)
Message-ID: <970929224425_-629363734ATnospamemout04.mail.aol.com>
Hi all! :)
My name is Tisa and I am new to the list so I thought an intro. would be
nice. :)
I discovered the energy inside of me and others about 9 years ago and started
healing chakras. Then I had to stop because I collected too many energies
and once I was open I was lost to all those energies out there! Aghh! :) I
tried a few ways to ground myself but I was too young and inexperienced so I
quit for many years. I started to learn viniyoga and I practice that now
and I am very interested in Kundalini yoga because I know it can help me to
ground and center myself. :)
There is so much more to say but I will save it for later.
btw anyone live in the Seattle area that knows of any good Kundalini
teachers????
mm,
Tisa
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 23:12:09 -0400
From: "Rick Puravs" <ric51ATnospamgeorge.lhi.net>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Reply to Evan's Question
Message-Id: <199709300311.XAA22557ATnospamgeorge.lhi.net>
Kundalini awakened through grace. Do a websearch or check the yoga magazines
for Shaktipat. Have a practice to give your subsequent experiences structure.
You will need it. You have read all the posts (?).....so search your heart if
you really want to dothis. It will not be an academic experience. We know
nothing about you, so we can not judge if you are ready or not. But if you
are asking, and if you follow through, then it may be time for you.
People have worked all their lives for this, perhaps for many lives. To have
your K
awakened by grace is a profound gift. Your subsequent efforts will be much
more
rewarding. You will need to make those efforts to be worthy of the gift you
have received. You may not be able to walk away from this gift once you have
received it.
This gift is worth more than all the dollars you could hope to earn in your
lifetime. Only by making spiritual progress in order to help others can this
gift be repaid.
I decided to receive Shaktipat back in April, and found this list in May.
Read the postings for 3 months before i went and had my kundalini awakened.
Never really had any serious doubts.....none that could stand up to the
alternative anyway, that of not having the kundalini awakened and things
going on as they were. Growing up with certain ideals and aspirations....and
having made some progress in those directions....but 25 years gone by and
being nowhere near the goal. Hmmm....chalk
it up to mid-life crisis i guess....though if somebody would have dangled
Shaktipat
in front of me 25 years ago i would have went for it then. Some on this list
have asked why would anybody want this? And these are people who have a lot
more
experience with it than i do. It is frustrating to have glimpses of the
truth, and yet for
it to be so hard to incorperate it into my life. To feel disconected, and to
lack spontaneity most of the time....yet to have the clearness come and go.
It is painful
to watch people i care about suffer and to only be able to help them in
limited
ways, if at all.
The K has been fairly subtle with me....changing my diet, making me very
aware of
everything i eat, cutting my alcohol consumption by about 80%, and i'm losing
weight now (which is good).....bringing deeper qualities to my meditation and
perceptions....and by timing my breath with mantra repetition, my mood and
consciousness can be changed within 3 repetitions, or so, into a state of
mild glowing bliss....dreams are frequently k related.
Last Friday (9-26), forty days after the K awakening, my wife moved out. As i
had my
son with me until i took him to school this morning, the weekend was ok. I
will have
him about half the time, and he seemed to get over the worst of it on Friday.
While
it will be hard on him (Joe is 8), i think it is better than him growing up
considering
what his mother and i had as a "loving relationship" and a model for married
life.
My two step-daughters (19 and 11) are with their mother, and it is hard on
Hannah
as well, as i have raised her since she was 1 1/2. When i got home from work
today
the house was empty. I have not been alone in this house for more than 1/2 a
day or
so in the 9 years we have lived here. Lots of waves of emotion hitting me all
evening.
Looking into the silence, the pain, the sorrow, the loneliness. I am writing
this from
the darkest point since the K awakening. Yet i know i will not linger too
long here.
The process of housecleaning that has been ongoing since Shaktipat continues,
as
it must. And when the K is through cleaning house, perhaps it will be time to
learn
healing, take the way of the Bodhisattva. Tonight tears often fill my eyes,
but the
silence is broken by the music of a CD that came in the mail just
today.....recorded
in 1945....Bidu Sayao singing....Villa-Lobos "Bachiana Brasilerira
no.5".....it is so
beautiful.
Rick
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 23:23:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com
To: LibraKat11ATnospamaol.com
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Negativity and Aura colors
Message-ID: <970929221916_238579966ATnospamemout01.mail.aol.com>
Kathy wrote...
>>and now see an intense, shimmering deep-purpleglow. I keep seeing this
over and over when I close my eyes. Any clues?>>
Prior to my K awakening (a month or so prior), I saw only this bright deep
purple light - going from large to small, then large to small, over and over
again. A friend later told me that it was the 3rd eye chakra (which may
explain why I later *saw* so many things). So when it appeared in my
meditations, I just concentrated on that. He also explained that
concentrating on the one chakra all the time gives an unbalance - that it
would be better to concentrate on a balance of all the colors, via
visualization. Whether that is true, I don't know, but makes sense.
Re: the negative vibes from old friends -- and this too shall pass. I
remember going thru that - couldn't stand being around them! Just go with
the flow, accept them where they are, BUT just as importantly, accept
yourself where you are right now. I promise it will pass and you will be
able to be around them once again with complete acceptance and be able to
laugh at the negativity. It'll remind you of a comedian - most of their
skits are very negative, but soooo funny!
xxxtg
"Do something unusual today - accomplish work on the computer!"
http://members.aol.com/Teeegeee/tgsplace.html <~~~~ on the web now!
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 22:24:01 -0500
From: MrNamasteATnospamwebtv.net (MrNamaste)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: body-mind
Message-Id: <199709300324.UAA14746ATnospammailtod-2.alma.webtv.net>
I refer you to Bonnie Greenwell's work wherein the term body-mind first
came to my attention and has been a part of my vocabulary ever since ---
there is no other way to refer to the post k-awakening body-mind status
than with the word body-mind.
"Energies of Transformation" is the name of her book.
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 23:32:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: SchrLLATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Ego/ego
Message-ID: <970929233101_-329036319ATnospamemout02.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 97-09-28 22:53:47 EDT, you write:
<< From: david.bozziATnospamsnet.net (David Bozzi)
Reply-to: david.bozziATnospamsnet.net
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com (Kundalini)
by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote:
> It appears there are a lot of people
> throwing these ego ideas around like they know what it all means.
Ego is an idea, and it means nothing.
And the ones who throw these ideas around...
that is ego.
Peace to you
>>
Thank you, David, for your comment.
Do you realize how many people are in mental institutes or under intensive
psychiactric care for schizophrenia because they "got rid of their egos?"
I am serious about this . I have a sense that the cream of the crop , the
most evolved of our century have been treated as schizophrenics. They are not
taught the things we have been fortunate enough to learn (by ourselves). They
were locked up, drugged, their brains zapped, because they were considered
CRAZY.
I am not yelling at you. I AM YELLING AT THE PEOPLE ON THIS LIST!
Wake up, folks! But for the Grace oif God there goes you and me!
Deal with it. ATnospam->->--
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 00:08:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: SchrLLATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: The Kundalini Perspective
Message-ID: <970930000839_-1464057184ATnospamemout13.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 97-09-29 05:13:10 EDT, you write:
<< Hi tg,
Even if I had not the knowledge and k struck in the same manner as before,
and I had a choice, would I go through it again? In a heartbeat! >>
Linda, "Right On!"
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 00:14:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: SchrLLATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Evan's inquiry
Message-ID: <970929224342_440457930ATnospamemout01.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 97-09-28 20:47:54 EDT, you write:
<< Date: 97-09-28 20:47:54 EDT
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent
<mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
SchrLLATnospamaol.com (Linda) wrote:
>None of these remarks would have stopped me and in fact didn't. I am a
>warrior. I think Evan must already know something or he would not have
gotten
>this far.
>We are here to be supportive, not frighten. Give Evan what he asks for. If
he
>is ready, he will understand. If not, he will go on his way. Linda ATnospam->->--
amckeon responds:
Ouch! Dial it down there, Linda. I have no ego-involvement in *stopping*
anyone from doing anything they want with their own minds and bodies, only
in trying to educate them (in my own poor fashion) as to what it is they
may be choosing. I was *not* the one who suggested the tabasco sauce thing.
If remarks such as these did not stop you, that was your decision to freely
make. You have chosen to be a warrior. Please elaborate on what that is
like for you. Evan needs to know what it is he may be choosing. He may not
identify with warriorhood.
My intention *was* to be supportive. I apologize for unforseen negative
results. Hence my caveat that I was not trying to offend him (or anyone
else) or to suggest immaturity on his part. (I live in a glass house, so
try scrupulously to avoid throwing stones!) I did not *intend* to add to
anyone's fear. I only felt the need to caution.
I wish someone would have tried to caution me when I started searching for
answers to questions K. has few answers for. You may have wished someone
would have put you on the path *sooner*. So you and I have something in
common here, Linda. We are both projecting ourselves onto another person
whom neither of us know too well.
Perhaps we both made incorrect assumptions. I am more than willing to
consider the possiblity that I certainly did.
There was once a point in my life that thought I was "ready" (Whatever that
means. How many of us were truly ready for this... Anyone?). I was wrong. I
did *not* understand, and no one gave me a clue. I had to stumble my way
through it. It is only now, *many* years later, that I am putting a few of
the pieces together. If someone else wants to give Evan what he asks for,
that will be their decision and their responsibility, and their (vastly
greater than my own) expertise. I can only give my own opinion, woefully
imperfect and highly personal as it certainly is.
Your opinion is also important. Thank you for voicing it. Now Evan has a
few different perspectives to choose from. This is a *good* thing.
sincerely,
amckeon
(still howling... ducking and weaving and covering head...
and considering permanent lurkdom very soon)
>>
Dear ducking and dodging amckeon,
Actually I was refering to several other posts who were decidedly, shall I
say discouraging?, to our dear Evan. ( Actually his post was several days ago
and he has not posted since) Perhaps we are talking to ourselves?
Frankly, your haste to cover you non-ego involvement caught my interest. But
most importamntly, you asked for something. You wanted me to elaborate about
what it is to be a warrior. I would be glad to elaborate if you are truly
interested, however I am not given to preaching. What do you want to know?
LindaATnospam->->--
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 21:18:08 -0700
From: indra <indraATnospamsmartt.com>
To: "Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D." <hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Beware Evan (et al.)
Message-ID: <34307CF2.7A0FATnospamsmartt.com>
Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D. wrote:
>
> Angelique's post to Joe made me the happiest I've been in a week. Yes,
> yes, yes, Joe, look how HUMAN the posts have gotten in the past few
> days. Hurt feelings, disappointments are harder to bear sometimes than
> outrageous trespass, but, as you know better than anybody, they are
> gold for self-awareness. Enlightened folk, God bless 'em, get so
> silent and oblique when the knowing takes over. But it is HERE, in our
> bodies, our kitchens and bedrooms and desires, that we're scrambling to
> do the work. Heaven help us and you help us, too -- don't leave.
> Love, Holly
I had received Joe's posting , I think about 4 days ago, and I sent an
e-mail to him supporting and encouraging him to stay on , for I believe
a lot of people will gain a lot from the list. But I did ask him to make
the choice.
Now Angelique and yourself have sent him similar encouraging notes.
I hope he sees the light.
Thank you Angelique and Holly for your good work.
Indra
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 22:06:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net>
To: ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Negativity and Aura colors
Message-Id: <199709300506.WAA04105ATnospamgridsat.thegrid.net>
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At 11:23 PM 9/29/97 -0400, ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com wrote:
He also explained that
>concentrating on the one chakra all the time gives an unbalance - that it
>would be better to concentrate on a balance of all the colors, via
>visualization. Whether that is true, I don't know, but makes sense.
I have had a very toxic week (I mean of the chemical kind, really. Long
weird story I'll tell later maybe.) and so was distressed when during a
routine teeth cleaning this pm I kept seeing a neon lime circle surrounded
by magenta rays. This post makes me feel better about it. I do want my
non-psychedelic electric blue back too though.
>Re: the negative vibes from old friends
>I promise it will pass and you will be
>able to be around them once again with complete acceptance and be able to
>laugh at the negativity. It'll remind you of a comedian - most of their
>skits are very negative, but soooo funny!
Thank you for this too. I am not sure it is true ( except in small doses)
but it gives some hope anyway.
>
>"Do something unusual today - accomplish work on the computer!"
I needed to read this too!!!
M
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 01:23:17 -0400
From: acarre <acarreATnospamconcentric.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Negativity
Message-ID: <34308CC5.929556ADATnospamconcentric.net>
Hello kathy,
I would refer you to that web page on that subject,
http://home.vicnet.net.au/~johnf/defence.htm
It's a very interesting perpective...
As your K flow becomes bigguer, these persons will affect you less.
Peace, Love and Light
Antoine
-------------------------------------
LibraKat11ATnospamaol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 97-09-29 00:57:02 EDT, you write:
>
> << amckeon wrote:
>
> << Think of a radio station that plays music you dislike (country
> western, opera, polka, whatever), and then never being able to turn
> the
> station or to turn off the radio! This is what having to experience
> the
> negative vibes coming from those around me at work is like. >>
>
> I have a question for the list concerning this. I'd like to know if
> anyone
> else is experiencing difficulty with negative vibes at this point.
> There
> are some people in my life who are somewhat negative (well, actually
> maybe a lot
> negative at times!) and recently, I'm finding it almost intolerable
> to be
> around them. THEY haven't really changed, I just am having
> difficulty being
> around them. In fact, it's almost intolerable.
>
(...)
> Love,
> Kathy
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 21:12:54 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospamsynopsys.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Kundalini and Holy Spirit (was Pentecostal Kundalini)
Message-ID: <34300BC5.5F65ATnospamintercomm.com>
Kurt Keutzer wrote:
>
> Kurt asks:
> >> I wonder how you see the inter-relatedness of these energies - Holy Spirit
> >> and kundalini. As per an earlier post I am trying myself to resolve their
> >> precise relationship (I am blessed/cursed with the desire to understand as
> >> well as to experience). The best model that I have so far is that in
> >> tantric Buddhism. The white bodhicitta (Holy Spirit?) descends from above
> >> to meet the red bodhicitta/Candali (kundalini?) at the heart. This union is
> >> also reflected in alchemical writings and to a lesser extent in Shaivite
> >> Tantrism. The point of my earlier post on this topic - to which I haven't
> >> discerned any response in the current deulge of postings - is that it is
> >> very tempting to get completely focused on one of these ``currents'' or the
> >> other. The Holy Spirit is very fulfilling and the rising kundalini is very
> >> powerful and attractive - but only in their union is a fully mature
> >> experience realized
> >>
> >> Kurt
>
> Gloria replies:
> >Exactly so, I was just reading a book on Shakti Kundalini and for the
> >first time I found it explained in eastern thought. They do call the
> >comsic energy Maha Kundalini and the individual psychic energy Kula
> >Kundalini.
>
> I'd be interested to get the title of the book. Ihave heard of the the
> Parakundalini/Pranakundalini division which sounds similar but I have not
> seen any concept in Eastern thought that matches the personalism of the
> Holy Spirit in Christian culture. White bodhicitta, as I mentioned is the
> closest I've found.
>
> >To our western consciousness, Holy Spirit would be the Maha Kundalini
> >and yes it does drop down just as you described and meets kundalini at
> >the heart. The thing is from my experience, kundalini is increasing the
> >body/mind frequency so that it will be able to hook up with the cosmic
> >which is much more powerful.
>
> That's a GREAT insight - thanks a lot. I often find myself unable to ``face
> the light'' that descends from above but warming up the heart through
> kundalini first makes the heart more flexible and maleable.
>
> I see it as the provider or tranformer of
> >the individual experience which includes the body, so that the clear
> >light of Godhead can manifest and finish the job.
>
> I still think that there's a mini-dilemma packed in hear though. Is the
> [white descending] light of Godhead really superior (which is the
> impression I get from your wording) or is it just the complement to the
> [red ascending] of kundalini? This dialog is really helping me resolve my
> thinking on the topic - thanks. I guess what I'm learning is that seeing
> the white light as compass is not inconsistent with seeing the red light of
> kundalini as a purifier.
>
> Kurt
I would say cosmic energy is of a higher frequency and clear light is
very powerful, kundalini on the individual level is not as intense even
though it may seem so since it is working with matter in the body, but
still it is evolution. The universal energy is directly from godhead and
therefore very powerful. One is better and another less so, one has one
job the other another. Kundalini is connected to the universal in that
it is a step in the process. Gloria
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 21:23:03 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: "Gordon J. Bakken" <bgb0163ATnospamrs195261.ks.boeing.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: k-conference idea.
Message-ID: <34300E26.46D4ATnospamintercomm.com>
Gordon J. Bakken wrote:
>
> Gloria Greco wrote:
>
> >> I've counted at least 6 responses in favor of the k-conference idea.
> > > 1. Where would you want the event? (A couple of suggestions...Orlando or Vancouver.
>
> I vote for Vancouver. Ask M when the weather is nice. Gordon
Actually I didn't write that, someone suggested to me we talk about the
next kundalini convention with the research center. That is a
possability. Gloria
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 22:50:58 -0700
From: indra <indraATnospamsmartt.com>
To: ArrowTsATnospamaol.com
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: greetings :)
Message-ID: <34309342.42DBATnospamsmartt.com>
ArrowTsATnospamaol.com wrote:
>
> Hi all! :)
> My name is Tisa and I am new to the list so I thought an intro. would be
> nice. :)
> I discovered the energy inside of me and others about 9 years ago and started
> healing chakras. Then I had to stop because I collected too many energies
> and once I was open I was lost to all those energies out there! Aghh! :) I
> tried a few ways to ground myself but I was too young and inexperienced so I
> quit for many years. I started to learn viniyoga and I practice that now
> and I am very interested in Kundalini yoga because I know it can help me to
> ground and center myself. :)
> There is so much more to say but I will save it for later.
> btw anyone live in the Seattle area that knows of any good Kundalini
> teachers????
> mm,
> Tisa
Hello Tisa !
Warm Welcome to the group!
You could drop a line to Timeless Books at 1215 Wsahington Mutual
Building, West 601 Main Avenue, Spokane Washington, 99201.
They have a very good I could refer: Kundalini Yoga for The West- Swami
Radha.
My web page: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/6782.
God Bless,
Indra
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