1997/09/27  19:28  
 kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #467 
  
kundalini-l-d Digest				Volume 97 : Issue 467
 
Today's Topics: 
  Re: ways of the heart 
  Re: Good/Bad Rape???  (Long) 
  Re: the color "blue" 
  Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center 
  Re: Aura Colors 
  rape is neither good nor bad 
  Re: The Bigger Picture 
  Re: God/dess 
  seeing blue "ALL THE TIME. 
  Re: Grounding 
  AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center  
  Re: Evan's inquiry 
  Reply to Evan's Question 
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 15:44:52 +0100 
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com> 
To: "valerian (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)" <madammumATnospamptialaska.net> 
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: ways of the heart 
Message-ID: <342D1BE1.6E68ATnospamintercomm.com> 
 
valerian (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent ) wrote: 
>  
> dear kundalini-l, 
>   . 
>    someone on this list, awhile back, said that - soon people will be 
> forced to take the way of the heart, & the others will be left behind 
> (paraphrase). maybe this was either Gloria or indra.my NETSCAPE backed 
> up with over 9000 messages night before last, & it took hours to 
> download them all, 'select all' & 'delete', so i lost a lot of 
> correspondance.
 
Gloria answer: 
 It was probably one of the posts I put in, I was speaking of the 
increased frequencies that the planet is being faced with. In order to 
stay here individuals are going to have to adjust and adapt which is 
difficult without turning within for help. 
  Priorities are the issue here, in a self involved state...me, my, I 
place of relating, the focus is on getting, having, and being someone. 
This is solar plexus awareness. 
 When the focus is on knowing God inside, being in the flow, serving 
humanity... the goal is on staying centered while reaching out to assist 
in whatever way God can work through you, which is a shift in 
consciousness and is heart and mind working as one. 
 While most people are still caught in the prison of the five 
senses/solar plexus state, never has there been more direct help 
available to change this.  
 My instinct tells me that many will burn out in the pleasure trip and 
go on to look for soul purpose and meaning, especially if they are 
remembering their dreams.  We see it now people are seeking not just out 
of curiosity but because they feel that inner call to know truth. It is 
a matter of really getting serious about knowing God.  
 Something you said about being confused about survival issues, etc. 
this is a part of the change over from the me/I which is control, to the 
faith driven knowing that says I have to live in this moment knowing God 
has a plan for me. 
  One comes from a strong self identification which is necessary before 
entering the leaving go stage,( some people try to force the letting go 
before really burning out the first stage) this is difficult, when you 
are ready to accept God as your first cause it is very natural to  move 
with it. Then because your focus now centers on the inside, you have a 
flood of questions that consistantly take you in deeper. With each layer 
of the letting go, there is less identification with self and more with 
observation and awareness of something far greater. Plus with this comes 
real identification with soul/spirit and frequencies that manifest in 
octaves as sound and color/light. People know God first as sound, light 
and color, then as divine will and purpose. Gloria  
 But,  
> 
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 16:21:17 +0100 
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com> 
To: "Chuck Davis (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)" <roshicorpATnospamROSHI.com> 
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: Good/Bad Rape???  (Long) 
Message-ID: <342D2468.201BATnospamintercomm.com> 
 
>  
>  Perhaps we could learn the /difference/ between pain and suffering. 
Chuck
 
There is a difference between pain and suffering  and you know the 
people who transform their experiece become the hero's and leaders when 
they overcome their limitations. 
 I remember a story on tv not long ago, a 22 year old college graduate 
who already had an acting career was walking home at night  
in the dark. She was on the sidewalk but somehow a car tried to miss 
other car and ran over her crushing both of her legs.She said she heard 
herself cry out to God knowing that she could die and probably lose both 
her legs, but she wanted to live. She said I don't want to die give me a 
purpose to fulfill for you and I will live.  
 She woke up in the hospital and the first thing she said to her mom was 
did I lose my legs? Her mom just looked at her...afraid of what the 
answer would do when she knew they were gone. But, she said yes. She 
then said, mom God showed me what I was to do, go get the video camera 
right now, I have to document every ounze of this experience so that I 
can help others. The mom had her son go get the video camera right then, 
they filmed 75 or 80 hours of the next six months and it was something. 
Right from that first day, she never went into denial or any of the 
stages because she had that conversation with God. They are using her 
experience now to teach and help amputee's. You could not watch that and 
not know that this beautiful blood girl was special, love just flowed 
out of her. She ended up getting legs and within the year walking to her 
mom. That is heart centered and transformation of pain and suffering. 
Gloria  
 
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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 16:45:21 +0100 
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com> 
To: M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net> 
CC: shane <MrNamasteATnospamwebtv.net>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: the color "blue" 
Message-ID: <342D2A0A.30F6ATnospamintercomm.com> 
 
M wrote: 
>  
> At 02:44 AM 9/27/97, shane wrote: 
>  I do not know what the color "blue" means from a"psychic" 
> >perspective.  However, there is a phemonenon called (I think) "the blue 
> >dot" which is described and explained  by Bonnie Greenwell in her book 
> >about the Kundalini Awakening entitled, "Energies of Transformation." I 
> >experienced this "blue dot" for maybe a full year after the K-Awakening. 
> >Greenwell's book describes a number of other people who had this, too.  I 
> >also refer you to Muktananda's autobiography --- I think he calls it 
> >(something like) the "blue pearl of wisdom.  Long ago, back when I was 
> >heavy into daily meditation, a heavenly (i.e., ""non-earthly" or "divine 
> >blue "flooded" many of my meditaions.)  (Sorry if that doesn't make any 
> >sense --- words are not my forte.)  I recall reading somewhere that this 
> >"blue-meditation stuff" indicates attaining high levels of consciousness 
> >--- 
>  
> I see blue all the time and feel like a dummy here and often feel like a 
> rude person out in the world, so I'd say that theory is pretty  questionable... 
>  
> M
 
Gloria 
Each center has a specific seed sound, color and frequency when you have 
been brought through the whole awakening cycle you will know each center 
by color, location, speed or frequency and sound.
 
 Starting from the base or earth chakra on up, I can tell them to you, 
but it is really wonderful when you find it coming to you from inside 
and then you discover for yourself the fullness of knowing that comes 
through the experience.
 
 When you have opened, activated and tuned all of the centers through 
the crown you will naturally move from center to center, color to color, 
sound to sound as easily as changing ocatives on a musicial instrument. 
In truth the body/brain is a musicial instrument created by God to play 
through. Kundalini is the lightning that tunes each center to its 
perfect state of balance and then through divine Will each our brought 
into harmony with the others. 
  When the organ of the brain has been transformed and made full of 
light opening the thousand pedals of the lotus all of these mysteries 
are no more. Kundalini once in full power in the brain, controls the 
functions of the body, but also opens each center to you as dimensions 
of experience.This knowing will also come through in dreams. 
  The mediation I teach works to process one through the changes from 
the heart center to throat and third eye, once these three are naturally 
working together the rest will unfold. Which means going into the three 
lower centers to clear and balance, which is natural since the higher 
energies enter the lower to sychronize the system and that all in place 
will start the overall consciousness transformation. 
 
 Remember this is a lifetime process, and the beautiful blue color is 
one step into the awareness change. It is the throat center, it brings 
in the ability to communicate, releases creative abilities and 
represents infinite potential. Gloria 
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 16:57:21 +0100 
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com> 
To: "Nancy (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)" <NancyATnospamMagicCity.com> 
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center 
Message-ID: <342D2CD9.31BCATnospamintercomm.com> 
 
Nancy shared dream: 
correct 
> word. It was actually manifested.) All we need do is turn the tallisman 
> and experience it, call it forth. Someone in the group started arguing 
> with me about this. How can it be here now if I don't have money, she 
> demanded. As I was trying to get my explanation out, she continued to 
> interrupt. Finally, I explained that there really is no future it is all 
> just is now. Then, I laughed and said it didn't matter anyway how we 
> looked at it because it isn't real anyway. This made a few people upset. 
> Angelique was sitting directly across from me and burst out laughing. 
> Then Lobster gave her an evil eye and was about to confront her. 
>  
> Isn't this funny??!!! I'm dreaming of people I have never met. To me, 
> you are all just spirits. Yet, you were so real in my dream. 
>  
> But it did get me thinking...Does anyone think it would be fun to have a 
> k conference? It could be at a physical location or virtual. We could 
> have k-related products and services to browse through. Different 
> "speakers" could tell personal experiences and share theories. Maybe 
> kundalini yoga would fit in. It's the idea that came to me as I woke 
> with a start at 4:30 a.m. following this dream. 
>  
> 
Nancy, 
 Of course you are dreaming of the list because it is manifesting in 
your experience in the day, dreams are mirrors that relate directly with 
what you are focusing on in your body/mind. 
 I have met most of you away from the body as you have me since a direct 
soul to soul communication will take you to that person away from the 
body.  
 As far as the kundalini get together it is happening in November on the 
west coast near San Francisco at a retreat called Mt. Madonna. There 
will be a couple hundred at least who are involved in the kundalini 
research center. I know Gene Kieffer who started the foundation. This 
may not be quite the same as having folks from the our little list meet 
but several of us are planing to go. For information you can call 
408-257-6241, it is Nov. 6-9th.  
 Anybody planning to go let me know so tha we make a point of getting 
together. I'm probably going to do Friday and Saturday. Gloria 
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 15:08:24 +0100 
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com> 
To: "Tim Pritchard by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>" <timATnospammarketmedia.com> 
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: Aura Colors 
Message-ID: <342D1356.7BF9ATnospamintercomm.com> 
 
Tim Pritchard by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote: 
>  
> What does Blue mean.  I percieve brilliantly bright blue during my 
> meditations.  The color transistions from yellow to green then develops 
> into blue completley.
 
Blue is the throat chakra, green is the heart, if you concentrate in the 
flow you should hear the sound and the exact location of each center. 
Gloria   http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/ 
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 17:50:18 
From: shane <MrNamasteATnospamwebtv.net> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>) 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: rape is neither good nor bad 
Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19970927175018.50578a3aATnospamdomin8rex.com> 
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Dear Nancy,
 
I am trying desperately to be a "Silent Lurker" on this list.  However, I 
want to let you know that you did NOT piss me off, you did NOT anger me --- 
indeed, you did not even irritate me.  I mean this most sincerely.
 
You have mentioned that you had difficulty interpreting the intent of what 
you described (for you) is my "blunt" mode of written expression.
 
Likewise, it maybe will not surprise you that I encountered difficulty in 
understanding what you were saying.  I was very relieved when you jumped 
back in ---- because I was able to determine that you seem (to me) to be 
very philosophically inclined --- and so, therefore, your comments were 
offered from that "wider philosophical basis."
 
Before that, based upon the first post I read on the list by you, I was 
very concerned because I did see the framework of that "Wider Philosophical 
Basis" from which you were offering your remarks.
 
I was seriously left with the impression that you were confused and that 
you seriously were pondering that rape is neither good nor bad, thinking 
only makes it so.  Since this was my honest first impression of your words 
---I could not help but worry if you were okay.  I am glad you are okay.  I 
feel a sense of relieve that you have allayed any of my worries.
 
I have had several conversations of this nature with young people who are 
exposed to their first "Philosophy 0000001" Class, and in my personal 
experience such people are genuinely confused when they have their initial 
encounter with (the very complicated esoteric) field of philosophy.
 
Last night I thought about some of your statements.  You see, I didn't 
understand what you meant by the question,  "Are you afraid of words and 
ideas?"  My instantaneous reply would be, "No!  Not at all."
 
However, to try to be succinct --- I think this whole idea in the United 
States that was programmed into many of us, to wit:  "Sticks and stones may 
break my bones but words will never hurt me," ---- I humbly submit that 
this nursery moral many of us learned is, indeed, fallitious.  i am sure 
the people who have studied eastern thought could discourse on this.
 
To an occultist,  "Thoughts are things."  A Christian early learns that he 
is not "defiled" by what goes into the mouth and I don't have the precise 
quote but it does involve something about everything that comes out of the 
mouth.
 
Anyway, I was abit chagrined with myself --- that although I can honestly 
say to you that words and ideas do not scare me --- nonetheless, I 
seriously believe words and ideas to be among the most dangerous weapons on 
our physical plane. I refer you to the adage,  "The pen is mightier than 
the sword."  But not to fear, because although word and ideas can be very 
dangerous, they cannot compete against what I will call, "silent intent," 
and this is simply not something that's part of any college or military 
curriculum.
 
I imagine that I have probably confused you further.  I did not mean to do 
so.  I hope you will have a very nice day today, and I thank you for all 
the imput you have given me. I am very pleased to observe all the different 
people with their varying personalities and how they are responding to Shakti. 
       
Namaste.
 
  
 
  
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 17:35:42 
From: SchrLLATnospamaol.com (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>) 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: The Bigger Picture 
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In a message dated 97-09-27 15:44:43 EDT, you write:
 
 I AM talking about the BIGGER PICTURE. The place, as you have 
 said, where there are no victims...where everyone is aware of what certain 
 events will bring out in them. I appreciate your succinctness in addressing 
 this. 
  
 Nancy 
  >> 
Linda here. 
This discussion reminds me of another Bigger Picture in which a woman in 
great distress went to the sage seeking consolation. The sage gave her a task 
to go from house to house getting a grain of rice to put in her out steetched 
hands, from each person who had experienced such terrible distress sometime 
in their lives. When she returned to the sage, her hands were filled to 
overflowing with rice. Not only did she tell her story many times but she had 
heard so many sad tales that her own distress seemed insignificant.  Illusion 
or perspective?ATnospam->->-- 
   
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 17:50:26 
From: SchrLLATnospamaol.com (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>) 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: God/dess 
Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19970927175026.50578b44ATnospamdomin8rex.com> 
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In a message dated 97-09-27 11:34:40 EDT, you write:
 
  
 You wrote:  
  > 
 >Eh, what's up Doc? 
 >Please explain the de/light/full meaningfulness of God/dess. I am  
 intrigued. 
 >Thanks, Linda   ATnospam->->--  LHB 
 > 
 Good Heavens, I didn't mean to be so esoteric!  Just my way of  
 referring to the male and female aspects of the divine as well as the  
 unknowable part that transcends gender.  Holly 
  >> 
Yes, the male and female aspects of the divine. OK I got it.  
The magic comes from the place between the two opposites where the friction 
takes place. Right?      Linda ATnospam->->-- 
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 17:50:57 
From: shane <MrNamasteATnospamwebtv.net> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>) 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: seeing blue "ALL THE TIME. 
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Hello, M  ---  The original poster of the blue question, I believe, was 
someone named Tim...so, I don't know if you are the same person.  However, 
I notice you state that you are seeing blue "ALL THE TIME."  This happened 
to me once for around three weeks.  It was my first 3 weeks post 
K-Awakening.  This was VERY disconceritng.  (Not funny; NOT sarcastic.)  I 
had alot of other manisfestations to deal with, so although this 
"everything-is-blue was WEIRD...  Well, until this went away I "ignored" 
the fact that this was happening.  (I mean I knew it was happening -- but I 
refused to give it the attention my pre-K ego would have demanded.  This 
phenomenon was "weirdest" outside, for me.  So...as a coping device, I 
decided to "view the world through blue-tinted glasses" --- i.e., I wore 
sun glasses most of the time and "pretended" that they were responsible for 
this strange perception.  I tell you this so you realize I know what you 
are talking about.  I am very startled to read no! 
! 
! 
w of TWO others who have this experience.  
 
Now, what I must tell you is this  --- and I apologize because it will not 
be too helpful, because I don't remember where I read about it.  But I did 
read it.  It was in some book written for the general lay public -- 
massmarket hardcover variety --- This is NOT the title, but it was like 
"How to live with epilepsy".
 
Somewhere in one of those books --- which, incidetally, I read with with 
fascination for there were so many mystical accounts and psychic 
experiences in them --- I KNOW that I read some sentyance somewhere of what 
it means when the entire world takes on a different hue, (not 
metaphorically speaking.)
 
I do not consider myself a spiritual person, nor do I believe that I 
experience "High states of consciousness."
 
These are fine statements, (la-de-dah) -- but for me, this is all so 
physiologically determined.
 
I strongly advise you to make an appointment with a neurologist.  We 
physically incarate human beings aren't really supposed to see blue --- 
this is actually medically significant of SOMETHING, but I don't remember 
what.  (I read it, "went:  !!!, and decided to immediately suppress this 
piece of data.  It worked.  Sorry.
 
Namaste. 
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 17:52:57 
From: SchrLLATnospamaol.com (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>) 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: Grounding 
Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19970927175257.5b5f70b8ATnospamdomin8rex.com> 
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In a message dated 97-09-27 19:09:18 EDT,MrNamaste wrote to Evan:
 
<<  There are admittedly NOT too many people whom I have met 
 face-to-face on the physical plane who truly have actual activated 
 kundalini.  However, every single one of them has made me promise that 
 ANYTHING I ever discover that ever actually works to successfully GROUND 
 these massive energies, that I will share it with them. >>
 
A humble offering, if I may. Lots of physical kinds of activities have always 
helped me get grounded. I have even pulled my car over to the side of the 
road,  gotten out and run around the block. Then I drove on, while stomping 
my feet, and singing real loud.  At home, cleaning house, washing and waxing 
my car, dancing, swimming, volleyball  etc.  I learned grounding from doing 
bioenergetics.  I teach yoga with grounding and bioenergetic principles in 
tandem to insure free energy flow. I call it Bioenergetic Yoga.  
It's in the book I wrote because there is such a desperate need. LInda ATnospam->->-- 
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 17:56:15 
From: shane <MrNamasteATnospamwebtv.net> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>) 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center  
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The CORRECT spelling of the website for the magazine,  "What Is 
Enlightenment" is:  www.moksha.org/wie 
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 17:55:56 
From: SchrLLATnospamaol.com (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>) 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: Evan's inquiry 
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In a message dated 97-09-27 19:11:48 EDT, you write:
 
<< Date:	97-09-27 19:11:48 EDT 
 From:	amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent 
<mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com) 
 To:	kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
  
 Ruth Trimble wrote (in response to Evan): 
 >Dear unaware seeker... you know not what you seek, nor what you ask for. 
 >This is not an "experience" it is a transformation. This is not some 
 >"high" that might entrance the mind for a few hours, and then return one 
 >safely to oneself again.  Once the Kundalini sparks from her resting 
 >place, you are no more. You are erased.  You cannot return to your former 
 >ignorance, nor can you pretend to be "just" a human being any more. You 
 >must be THAT Kundalini whereever and however she wishes you to manifest. 
 >Beware... you have no idea. Read some of these pages for a month or two 
 >before you decide to ask this question again. 
  
 To invite K is to invite chaos. Have you ever experimented with LSD? K is 
 scarier, because it does not "wear off" like the drug does. Once it starts, 
 you must find your own way back to solid ground. It is very lonely. No one 
 will be able to help you. You are on your own. Or so it will appear. Prayer 
 may help, though not in the way you've come to expect. If K descends 
 unasked for, you at least have your ignorance as some protection. If you 
 ask for it, you will feel the full responsibility for the consequences, and 
 it is hard to bear. 
  
  
 >But even if you "decided" to have this experience, it comes by GRACE and 
 >only by divine gift.  You must have been being prepared over many 
 >lifetimes for it.  It is like playing with a volcano to toy with HER if 
 >you are unprepared... you can end up in a mental hospital, lose your job, 
 >your family, get very very sick with all kinds of latent diseases... this 
 >is no regular "experience" my friend... 
  
 Ruth knows what she is talking about. Please take this advice seriously. It 
 is not meant to offend you or to suggest that you are too "immature" to 
 handle it. (At least I am not suggesting that.) I see the danger that some 
 may interpret this as some kind of a "dare." If you really want to test 
 yourself, try vegetarianism, martial arts, yoga, meditation, psychotherapy, 
 etc. There are other ways to stretch your horizons. Try those first. 
  
 >Ask for this only if you are prepared to face all of these 
 >eventualities... and even then.. it is not your decision but HERS. 
  
 This is also true. K takes you by surprise. K has its own timing. You may 
 seek for it (or not) for years, and it never comes, you go on to other 
 things, and just when your life seems to be going well, K comes and 
 shatters everything you have and are. This is especially not good if you 
 have someone who depends on you to "be there", like young children. Why 
 would you wish for such a thing? It's like wishing for epilepsy, or for 
 your house to burn down. 
  
 >Next time you look up "esoteric" subjects... pass this one by... 
  
 Here I have a slight disagreement. It might be a good idea to read up on 
 it, become educated about it, so that IF it ever happens to you, you have 
 some idea of what it is, and it might not be quite so scary. Unless to read 
 about it is to invite it? If that is a possibility, I stand corrected. In 
 any case, this is only my opinion as a "not-yet-all-that-enlightened" 
 survivor of the experience. 
  
 humbly submitted, 
 amckeon 
  
 P.S. Please be careful, Evan. I would not wish this experience upon anyone. 
 K may be seen or interpreted by some on this list as a positive thing, but 
 it is in the vein of "if life hands you lemons, make lemonade," kind of a 
 deal (at least for me). Making the best of the weirdness we have to deal 
 with now. Think of a radio station that plays music you dislike (country 
 western, opera, polka, whatever), and then never being able to turn the 
 station or to turn off the radio! This is what having to experience the 
 negative vibes coming from those around me at work is like. It is not fun, 
 nor a "high," by any stretch of the imagination. 
  >> 
None of these remarks would have stopped me and in fact didn't. I am a 
warrior. I think Evan must already know something or he would not have gotten 
this far. 
We are here to be supportive, not frighten. Give Evan what he asks for. If he 
is ready, he will understand. If not, he will go on his way. Linda ATnospam->->-- 
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 09:56:23 +0800 (MYT) 
From: Mohanamurali Parasuraman <mohanpATnospampc.jaring.my> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Reply to Evan's Question 
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Dear Evan, 
 I have read some of the posts which were in reply to your inquiry, 
and I strongly disagree with them.  Kundalini is a natural progression in 
spiritual evolution and is known to go back to the beginnings of time. 
However, mother kundalini is not to be trifled with and must be treated with 
respect. 
 In order to understand mother kundalini better and to invite her to 
guide you to enlightenment/higher level of consciousness, one should seek 
the guidance of a guru/one who has reached enlightenment/one who is close to 
enlightenment, who will help you in times of crisis and help you to rech the 
level of perfection you are seeking.  The guru is also the means of 
activating kundalini shakti through a process known as shaktipat or 
initiation.  Once the guru has given you shaktipat, your kundalini starts 
her upward journey to meet her beloved at the crown chakra.  Upon receiving 
initiation from a qualified guru he/she takes responsibility for your 
evolution, be it in this birth or future births. 
 Finally, if you are interested in gurus who give shaktipat, you can 
perform a web search using search engines such as alta vista etc.. and look 
up "kundalini" or "shaktipat" .  You will then be able to contact gurus who 
initiate people in this path and decide which one to accept as your guide or 
mentor.  Remember, the guru must be qualified and also once you accept a 
guru, you should never displease him/her as a gurus anger can prevent 
further spiritual evolution.  If you have any other questions, anyone on 
this list will be happy to help you.  
 
your in service, 
Mohan
 
 
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