1997/09/23 19:14
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #457
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 457
Today's Topics:
Re-sent through list for Gloria et. al.
AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
Crohns Disease
Soul Journey
Re: Lessons
Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #455
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 16:54:51
From: MsSheWolfATnospamaol.com (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
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In a message dated 97-09-01 15:55:51 EDT, you write:
<< Subj: Re: Returned mail: User unknown
Date: 97-09-01 15:55:51 EDT
From: MsSheWolf
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Dear Gloria,
I wrote to you and it came back to me with the following message. I have
resent it and I am hopeful that you have received it by now. If not, I am
sending it through the list. I really don't mind speaking openly about this
on the list. The more feedback the better for me (I think).
Love, Cher
In a message dated 97-09-01 06:11:23 EDT, you write:
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Date: 97-09-01 06:11:23 EDT
From: MAILER-DAEMONATnospamaol.com (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
To: MsSheWolfATnospamaol.com
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Subject: Response
Dear Gloria,
Thank you very much for responding to my post. Before I answer any of your
questions, I want to ask you to please direct mail to MsSheWolfATnospam aol.com.
I
only sent it through Rick because my post did not show up and still hasn't,
at least to my mailbox.
Thank you for believing me. It is interesting that you say it likely
something I am most likely carrying with me and that it likely came into
this
life with me. I did not take the baths as suggested, because I was young
(18) and unknowing, and afraid....I had not yet developed any spiritual
beliefs. I was raised Protestant Presbyterian, but I never believed even
as
a child. I told my mother in the third grade that I didn't want to go to
Sunday School anymore and I never went again (thinking about that...that
was
after my grandfather died). I met a old woman in 1983 who is a Medicine
Woman....very spiritually oriented and we remain very close friends to this
day. It is through this experience that I was introduced to more
metaphysical (I know that is a broad term) spiritual experiences. Tarot
reading and astrology are part of my experience. I have also been using
Native American Animal Medicine. I also use crystals, and, in fact, I have
a
crystal ball that I have been "trying my hand" with, but I have not been
successful yet. I am learning more about the eastern religions through the
people I know and from reading. I believe strongly in reincarnation.
Others
seem to marvel at my ability to read the cards and often prefer that I pick
the cards. There have been a few psychic experiences, and on occasion, I
feel somewhat omnipotent, but quickly push that aside because I don't
really
believe that is true...just when certain things come about that seemed to
be
willed by me. Believe me, I am humble and claim no higher place than my
own
body...I certainly don't want to exceed any boundaries that could lead to
peril. I do meditate and also do some self-hypnosis. Once I was lying in
bed in the dark and I asked God to just give me a sign so that I would know
that he/she was real, and suddenly I was floating in a sea of stars where i
could see all of these stars all around me and I could think about them and
where I was and marvel at the whole thing. I am convinced I either had an
out-of-body experience, or that is was really a sign. Later, I found I
could
do this at will, but my friend, Rick, says it sounds more like
visualiztion.
The Chronic Fatigue can be very disabling and stole from me a very
accomplished and sucessful life style. It has been so long since I have
been
really well, I am resigned to accept what I can do, gratefully. If could
overcome this illness, I would be eternally grateful (smile).
I left Ventura, CA, in 1978. I have only been there three times since
leaving. I moved to Northern CA when I married my husband and he attened
Veterinary School, then to Washington State for a few years and then to
Oregon for 12 years. He just got a promotion, and we have only recently
moved to Maryland. As for my life, my husband is a scientific thinker,
very
brilliant and an intellectual who believes strictly in evolution. My son
also holds these view. He is very smart as well, and probably will follow
in
his father's footsteps in the vein. They tease me about the things I read
and do, and it is difficult to get any positive energy going in that
direction in this household. The marriage is quite odd, and I gave up on
trying to move it in a more normal direction, but we sleep in separate
rooms
and are not sexual. He is, however, very kind to me and loves me. I often
remind myself that there are many women who would give anything to trade
places with me. Still, I feel lonely, and I look to my many women friends
as my support, although, since moving here, I have no immediate friends in
the area. I am 47 years old.
My connection to my grandfather was very positive. I have been compared to
him all of my life - always going after what I wanted, helper of people,
especially those with less, and very strong willed and strong minded.
However
, the CFS certainly has put a damper on that aspect of my personality. I
have worked in human services all of my life, mostly mental health, and
although I like working with the people, I had been doing some contract
grant
writing...last year I wrote a grant for a mentally ill and homeless program
which was awarded for $776,000. People are my first priority. I am not
working here as yet.
Since I got back from this trip to Ventura County, I have had extremely
vivid
dreams, nightmares...nothing that seems to be related to the physical
manifestation I encountered, but extremely negative and often directed at
me.
When I awake it takes some time for me to let it go, like it is still
controlling me.
Incidentally, I was thinking after I posted about the fact that when we
were
out on that hike in the Murietta, on foot, in the dark and raining, that I
experienced no fear. I chose to ignore it so it wouldn't hurt us and
continued on the path with only an occasional fleeting thought...it was the
others' fear that affected to me so much once we were back to the car
safely
and I related the story to them for the first time. Actually, anytime I
have
told this story, it always resurfaces for me in some very debilitating way.
Writing the first post, however, didn't feel too badly, like I was among
the
right people. However, the first two times I saw it, I was terribly
frightened and if it was so powerful, why didn't it take us. I imagine if
I
had turned around and seen it in the Murietta, I would have experienced
tremendous fear and panic would have have been generated in the group.
Still, why didn't it take us? These answers have never surfaced in my
life.
As far as speaking to the friends who also saw it with me, the first guy
with
me at the cabin went to VietNam. I know he survived, but he married and
left
the area and I never talked to him again. I doubt I ever will. My
sister's
best friend who saw the hoof prints with me had a big fight with my sister,
and they split up their "best friend" relationship, and I saw her one more
time, but this was long ago...in the early '70's, and the incident occurred
in 1968. It has been a very long time since seeing her, and I was with
other
people at a restaurant and we did not talk about the incident. The guy I
saw
it with two months later from the first time back behind Ventura and backed
up to the oil fields, I saw one time for a fleeting moment around 1969 or
70,
and he was into drugs and the last I heard (which was long ago) is that he
was serving time on drug charges. I have no idea where he is, and I don't
think I want to know. Looking over this response to your question, I
realize
it is terribly odd that all of these people are gone from my life -
completely!! I used to think that people would think I was not telling
them
the truth because I had no one else's testimonial to back it up, but now I
wonder if there isn't a reason it happened that way.
Your book sounds interesting, and I am interested in buying it.
Gloria, thank you again for responding and offering your help and guidance.
Will I receive a copy of the posts from the friends you forwarded my post
to? It would be interesting to hear their thinking around this phenomenon,
if that is what you would call it. It is a great release to tell someone
about this who has knowledge of such things, and right now I am hungry to
hear more about how I can free myself from the hold this has on me.
Cher >>
>>
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 16:48:45
From: Nancy <NancyATnospamMagicCity.com> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
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Nancy, I dunno how it is that I have missed forwarding so many of your
posts.. I have sorted my mailfiles by sender.. going thru them again,
sorting archives.. this one is dated, but the thoughts on reincarnation are
interesting enough to be current, anyway. Thankyou for this. List Mystress.
***********************
Dear Angelique
When you asked your questions last week, my initial reaction was "She's
nuts." But then nothing is ever that simple. I've found you a wise woman
from your postings. So, I left your questions behind for a couple of days
and then "flash" as I'm walking down the stairs one day I receive an
inspiration. I can best explain by sharing a personal story.
For several years I have had this fixation on Swami Vivekananda. It went
beyond liking his work. I felt I had some connection with this great soul.
Through a series of serendipidous events I came to the conclusion that I
was one of his most loyal disciples Sister Nivedita a.k.a. Margaret Noble.
I became obsessed with learning more about her and the Swami.
Then I asked myself what relevance it had whether I was Sister Nivedita in
a past life? The point was to look at her life and use that as an example
for my life as Nancy. She was a woman who followed her heart for a cause
she felt expressed truth. She was a teacher, writer and speaker. Skills I
possess today. If I have already lived that life, it's done with because
she's dead. All we have is now. And now for me means I'm housed in this
body called "Nancy."
Then I arrived at questioning what difference does it make if souls are
reincarnated anyway? Is the whole concept of "soul" and "reincarnation"
just another delusion we use to help us understand what we can never get
mentally anyway? My view is that souls, reincarnation, resurrection, and
other religious explanation distract us. Sometimes it's fun to be
distracted. But in the end there's just the divine one which is all.
My "mental" explanation is that the universe works like the Internet. We
all have our seperate computers but we're part of the all. The Internet
isn't located anywhere it's everywhere. That's how I grasp the concept of
one is all. (And when I tell most people this, they think I'm nuts! Go
figure!)
Angelique you will discover your own truth. The Internet concept works for
me. And if the serpent concept works for you, it is your truth.
Namaste,
Nancy
Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote:
>
> Lobster, you are a very sweet crustacean.
> Thankyou for worrying about me,
> but you are mistaken that there is nothing you can do..
> You can check out my story with God or Goddess, inside of yourself.
> Use your discernment. Please?
> I know that you say you are not psychic,
> Which is a statement I have some doubts about..
>
> However this list is full of well -connected folks.
>
> **** A humble request, of awakened listmembers, from List Mystress...? ***
> Get grounded, then please, ask two 'yes or no' questions of your Higher
> Self:
>
> Is Angelique Serpent the physical manifestation of the second oldest
> soul, next to God?
> Is Angelique Serpent one of the constantly reborn Trainers?
>
> Yes or no?
> I humbly throw myself on the wisdom of the list. Please post your
results.
> If it is the consensus of the wisest sages of this list that I am not who
> I say, according to the voice of their own souls, then I shall ask Ken
> MacFarland and Tom Aston to shrink my head, and stop my claims.
> Lobster, by no means do I expect anyone to believe such extravagant
> claims just on my say-so.. that really would be crazy.
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 15:30:00 -1000
From: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Crohns Disease
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I noted the young man Ryan in Edmonton who has Crohn's Disease and wanted
to give my findings on this.. from having several students research it in
my writing courses. There is a book called "A Cure for All Diseases" by
Hulda Clarke and it indicates that the disease can be eradicated... YES...
by doing the parasite cleanse that she offers in her book. Nothing in the
book is too hard to do by yourself with an average intelligence, but might
require a visit to the Radio Shack - and I am not sure if they have this
in Canada. There is also material on treatments and supplements for
Crohn's disease mentioned in a book called I think..."The Encyclopedia of
Nutritional Medicine" One author I think is Joe Pizzorno from Oregon, but
I will check this and let you know if it is not
the right one. It is very hard to find material written on this subject
and (as usual) the medical establishment has NO answers for it but
surgery.. and eventually people run out of healthy intestines....
It is usually found to run in families.. but I really feel that the
alternative medical estab. has answers to it.. and I hope you can start
there...and then try acupuncture and Chinese herbs. Personally, I think
the parasite lead might be just the very answer.
On top of that... the young fella has my love and light for his
betterment. Blessings,
Ruth
******
Everytime one realizes something of the truth, there is a dance in the
heart. The heart is the only testimony for the truth. (Osho)
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Ruth Trimble email:<trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
http://166.122.32.61/trimble/
*****
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 15:33:23 -1000
From: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Soul Journey
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Hi John and others...
I too have been reading a book about what happens to our souls in between
births...by Joshua David Stone. He has a series of books on ascension.
They give practical advice for protection and a great deal of well
researched information about what we are all up to here...
The first I would recommend is "Soul Psychology" Joshua DAvid Stone.
If any one has read his work, I would be glad to have a critique of what
you think of his affirmations to the subconscious.. as I find them
woefully inadequate...
Blessings,
Ruth
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 16:41:11
From: Nancy <NancyATnospammagiccity.com> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Lessons
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Ron Harrow wrote:
>
> Some (many?) of you hold beliefs that we humans are here on earth to
> learn lessons. Some further believe that we have had former lives and
> will have more in the future so that we can continue learning lessons.
>
Hi Ron,
I used to share this lesson perspective but have cast it aside. I don't
think that life is a course. I think we are divinity creating our lives.
I see creation being linked with "karma". I view karma as a natural law
explained in science, for every reaction there is an equal and opposite
reaction. We may not be aware of how we create our lives but we do
nonetheless.
> If this is all true, what are the implications with respect to good and
> evil, right and wrong? For example, let me use an extreme example.
> Suppose a woman is raped? Was the rapist just learning a lesson? Was
> the woman just learning a lesson? Was the event unavoidable, i.e.,
> these were lessons that had to be learned and sooner or later they were
> going to be learned? If that's so, then are there evil bad lessons we
> all have to learn? And if that is so, then what is an evil lesson,
> because isn't it a good thing we learn a lesson, any lesson? How can
> you have one thing be good and bad at the same time?
>
Actions aren't inately good or bad. It all depends upon your
perspective. It's good if I jog...for my energy level, stress level and
weight. But jogging is bad...for the ants I step on, for the cow whose
hide I use for my shoes, for the cardiologist who won't treat my clogged
heart when I'm 62.
Even something as seemingly hideous as rape is both good and bad.
Perhaps the rapist rapes to deal with his feelings of rage, anger,
frustration. Expressing these may feel good to him. In a way, the rapist
transfers his rage energy to someone else to deal with. This feels bad
to the rape victim. But is it inately good or bad? I don't think we can
judge from this plane. We can't see the energy working behind the
scenes.
Namaste,
Nancy
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 15:39:22 -1000
From: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #455
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Hi DAvid Hodges:
You state your sudden rush of energy gave you some of these symptoms...
>>1. I felt inexplicably drawn to do Yoga and began doing it every day.
2. I had been meditating about once a week and fell the extreme desire
to meditate every day, sometimes twice a day, which I have been doing.
3. I felt the need to give up tobacco (occasional cigars and pipes)
because I became very sensitive to what it was doing to my body. I gave it
up very easily.
- 4. I felt the need to give up caffeinated coffee which I did very
easily.
5. I felt that I could go off the anti-depressant which I had been
taking for 3 years. I have done so and so far all is fine.
6. I felt more interested in vegetarianism and have given up red meat
and
want to go further. For lunch instead of a sandwhich I get salad and
certain things seem to appeal to me on certain days, today it was alfalfa
bean sprouts!
7. Starting in August I had this weird pain in my left hip which
>>>
WElcome to the path of ASCENSION... the angels have just pulsed you with a
wake up call.... WAKE UP and remember who you are... divinity in 2 strand
DNA... soon to be 12 strands..... heading for the 5th dimension...
Hang on for the ride.....
Ruth
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