1997/09/23 18:31
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #456
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 456
Today's Topics:
Re: "Magic Music" post script
Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
Re: Anonymous: A question or two.
Reposts...& Attn: Genuises..
concentration
tan t'ien
Re: Reposts...& Attn: Genuises..[curiouser]
Is this kundalini
Re: Change
RE: White Powder of Gold
RE: White Powder of Gold
Re: back or front?
searching and knowing
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 23:54:40 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: FIuteATnospamprodigy.net
CC: Mike Beaver <yodaATnospamband1.bandwidth.net>,
"kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: "Magic Music" post script
Message-ID: <3426F72E.116ATnospamintercomm.com>
FIute wrote:
>
> Mike Beaver wrote:
> >
> > Dear Flute:
> >
> > I would love to interchange ideas about such things further throught
> > the direct communications possible with a free little program called
> > ICQ. You can get it by going to my page (URL below) and then to my links
> MIKE, I AM ON IRQ
> VISIT MY WEBSITE http://www.create.org
> I have a IRQ list of Reiki Masters and the ability to download the IRQ
>
I'm waiting for the program for the Mac. They said they would write me
when it comes. Gloria
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 00:40:12 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: "Diane Laviolette (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)" <kfineATnospamnetcom.ca>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
Message-ID: <342701D8.7C23ATnospamintercomm.com>
Diane Laviolette (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent ) wrote:
>
> I am a energy worker and counselor. Many of my clients are having kundalini
> awakening experiences. Many times I have felt at lost as to how to help.
> I am asking and welcome suggestions as to how to help best.
> Many of my clients had never even heard the word kuindalini before.
> Some think they are possesed by an evil force, other think they are going
> crazy
> What method should i use?
>
> Thank you in advance
I would tell them that it is a great blessing even though it doesn't
seem like it right now. You can say that it is a natural evolution
process, however, since it is pretty dramatic when it occurs it is best
to be in touch with someone who has gone through the whole process.
Although these folks are not always easy to find if they have a computer
and access to the net... have them write me directly or just come on
line to the list. Generally just knowing that others are living through
it, helps relieve the panic.
I have never had a problem with kundalini in the least, but my spiritual
development was in place before it manifest. This makes all of the
difference in the world. When a person lives from the crown chakra,
there isn't a problem in absorbing some of that static energy so that it
takes the kick off. This can be accomplished out of the body as well as
in it providing the person is very disciplined and able to calm down
enough to let go.
Once it has started there isn't a lot to do to stop it, however, there
are important things that one can do in terms of self discipline and
also in terms of raising ones frequency so that the experience becomes
not only wonderful but fantastic.
Most of the problems come from mental and emotional blocks,
it also comes from not going to God with the problem. When we place our
faith in our creator...knowing that it is taken care of, it is. When we
try to do things on our own, thinking...trying, that is a problem. This
is not about being in control, but about surrender. When you think you
are suppose to control things in your life, you panic when your face to
face with the unknown. Well, kundalini is all unknown, because it will
move in the body where the least resistance is, like a water hose on
full force, if the body is prepared, the mind and emotions understand
what interferes, it is much easier to ride it rather then fight it. Hope
this helps. Gloria http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 00:40:55
From: SchrLLATnospamaol.com (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Anonymous: A question or two.
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In a message dated 97-09-17 14:34:28 EDT, you write:
<< a sharp razor like pulse went up
>my lower back to my solar plexus it was only for a split second, but you
>could definitely feel this.
>I was wondering if anyone would have any idea what this is . Is this a
>form of kundalini or did I just have a strange spasm in my back?
>Please be nice,"thankyou", Could you leave my name and email
>anonymous.Thanks. >>
Dear anonymous,
You may be experiencing movement of K energy. If you are really serious
about K, I suggest you consider that you become psychic, and tune into other
people's stuff. When the energy moves, it creates a field which others will
feel it too. It may frighten them and you could feel their fright, in your
solar plexus. On the other hand, it could be your own fear. Stay centered in
your heart and work on your courage. Love and Light, Linda.
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 01:20:14
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Reposts...& Attn: Genuises..
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Hiya:
Some stuff has come up, and I need to clarify some list details, for the
folks whose posts I forward.
Some members posts do not go directly to the list, coz the crazy list
computer thinks they are spammers. Oy.
The List computer sends these posts to the Kundalin-l-owner address,
(only an inbox transfer point far away.. cannot send from it.. ) and from
there, they are forwarded to my domain mailbox, and they come up reading
""not on the accept list" from kundalini list in the header, so I know to
forward them.
I redirect them from my home mailbox, so they come up on the list under
the author's name, but reading (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent
<mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>) in the header.
All of this is cool.. the problem comes, when folks send mail that they
want to go to the list, directly to <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com> coz they have
seen mail come from there, without making it clear that they expect it to
be forwarded.
<mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com> is my personal mailbox, any posts sent there
directly, I presume are personal mail, and I don't forward personal mail
without permission.
OK? So the Address to post to the list is Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, not any
other. If your post does not show up on the list within a day, could be you
are a new member and I didn't recognse your name.. (I get a lotta mail, I
don't read all of it right away) or, like with Nancy today, I mistook a new
post of the same thread for one I already forwarded.
If it doesn't show up within a day, (or a weekend..) then send it to
Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com again. Remind me.
Not to <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com> unless you expect it to be "For my eyes
only".
Oh.. we have also had a recent influx of unwilling members.. a bit of
juvenile mischief coming, I think, from my brief stint among the idiots of
the Genius list.. Oy.. I have been mysteriously subscribed to another list,
as well..
These "geniuses" (the first, a Dr..! and he had 3 different sets of
letters after his name, whooeee!) are sending posts to the
Kundalini-l-requestATnospamexecpc.com address, with "subscribe" in the subject
header, to complain about being subscribed to the list.. clever, eh? And
they want me to fix it..
Hey, geniuses.. complain all you like, but change the subject header to
Unsubscribe, to the same Kundalini-l-requestATnospamexecpc.com address, and your
problems will be solved! It is an automatic system that reads the subject
line for commands.
If you need more info, feel free to write to me at
kundalini-l-ownerATnospamexecpc.com
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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 03:27:32
From: "MNR. S J OOSTHUIZEN - CHEMIES 3" <S9512033ATnospambabel.ee.up.ac.za> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: concentration
Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19970923032732.30378e42ATnospamdomin8rex.com>
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As a new subscriber I might be asking a question that has been
answered before, so please be patient.
I am student of metaphysics and have just completed a number of
courses on self-analysis/improvement.
At the "climax" of the most powerful course I had an experience
where I felt " needles + pins " all over my body, a feeling I can
now experience at will.(This is the "cool" part )
My problem is a dull throb / pressure where my neck meets the back
of my head, messing up my concentration big time , and separates
me from "reality".I don't panic about it but I write exams
every now and then and being "seperated" when concentration is
essential messes up my studies.
I go to gym ,sleep and eat and relax well, I have tried modern
medicine without success.
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Om Shanti.
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 11:19:25
From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: tan t'ien
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Does anyone on this list know of the concept of the tan t'ien? the center
of the heart/mind? Plays into martial arts and some zen training.
Personally i associate the tan t'ien with the sun center. One of my
teachers taught me to ground myself and my consciousness in this center.
Think when i was told this, i did not have a clear idea what he meant. but
lately it does help a lot.
there's a LOT of energy out there! the center is like the eye of the
hurricane, still and calm, but if you leave it, you are into those
catagory-5 winds. Not a nice place to be.
i would be very interested still in hearing how your life has changed
because of energy motion. Does your spirituality encourage you to
compassion? Or does it overwhelm you?
my spousal unit put a cricket outside last nite instead of squishing her.
i smiled. (coneheads reference for fun only)
maitri,
--debora a. orf
--dorf01ATnospammail.win.org
"do not permit the events of your daily life to bind you, but never
withdraw yourself from them"--Zen saying
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 11:22:46
From: valerian <madammumATnospamptialaska.net> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Reposts...& Attn: Genuises..[curiouser]
Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19970923112246.236f19b6ATnospamdomin8rex.com>
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<snip>
> Oh.. we have also had a recent influx of unwilling members.. a bit of
> juvenile mischief coming, I think, from my brief stint among the idiots of
> the Genius list.. Oy.. I have been mysteriously subscribed to another list,
> as well..
v: about 2 or 3 days ago, i was suddenly mysteriously receiving posts to
a list known as coop, which appears to be a forum for writers of short
stories. regarding it as serendipity, i went ahead & 'subscribe'd when i
wrote a 'where am i' query post & got back a message from the server
saying 'you are not subscribed to this list'. now i get two copies of
every post on this list.
curiouser & curiouser...
--
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/7982/index.html
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 12:05:06
From: David Hodges <davidATnospamrecol.com> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Is this kundalini
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I sent this to the list but it hasn't shown up yet. I am a new subscriber,
maybe it didn't go through? Anyway, if you could relay this to the list I'd
appreciate it as I would be really interested in any feedback I might get!
Thanks.
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Hi -
I just joined the list after reading the info on the web site and I would
like to relate some experiences I have had to get feedback that any of you
might have.
On April 30th of this year I was lying in bed with a headache when I was
filled with a great rush of energy. It made me stretch and stiffen my spine
to the utmost. Afterwards I had all sorts of insights about my life but
later couldn't remember them. The headache disappeared.
After that, over the months from then until now all sorts of changes
began appearing in my life, as follows:
1. I felt inexplicably drawn to do Yoga and began doing it every day.
2. I had been meditating about once a week and fell the extreme desire to
meditate every day, sometimes twice a day, which I have been doing.
3. I felt the need to give up tobacco (occasional cigars and pipes)
because I became very sensitive to what it was doing to my body. I gave it
up very easily.
4. I felt the need to give up caffeinated coffee which I did very easily.
5. I felt that I could go off the anti-depressant which I had been taking
for 3 years. I have done so and so far all is fine.
6. I felt more interested in vegetarianism and have given up red meat and
want to go further. For lunch instead of a sandwhich I get salad and
certain things seem to appeal to me on certain days, today it was alfalfa
bean sprouts!
7. Starting in August I had this weird pain in my left hip which
sometimes would radiate down to my knee. It lasted about 3 weeks and is now
mostly better.
8. I have had two more infillings of energy, one while meditating with a
dear friend, the other just two nights ago while meditating with the same
spine-straightening effect and also my arms needed to be held wide!
Afterwards I felt "nothing special" but the following day my emotions were
all in an uproar, I wanted to cry half the time (I am a middle-aged
sensible male by the way who doesn't cry very often!)
9. I am exasperating my mate because I have conceived the desire to leave
the suburban lifestyle we live and move to Vermont and live communally with
spiritually minded friends.
These are some but not all of the changes of the last few months. If this
is kundalini, does anyone have any advice, suggestions, encouragement,
whatever? The whole thing has been pretty wonderful and not a bit
frightening, by the way.
Thanks,
David
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 14:46:30
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Change
Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19970923144630.1c77d72eATnospamdomin8rex.com>
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>Return-Path: <glynneATnospamcts.com>
>X-Sender: serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com
>Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 22:53:34
>To: Bill Howell <basichealthATnospammindspring.com>, stardancersATnospamnewciv.org
>From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
>Subject: Re: Change
>
> This is great wisdom. Thankyou for this.
>
> For the past year or so, I have been focusing on effortlessness. Inspired
>by a lttle pocketbook.. John Stuart Wilde? "Life is not meant to be a
>Struggle". the focus of this book was, if you are struggling, you are off
>your path. Stop swimming upstream, relax and let the current carry you. We
>are meant to be taken care of, like lilies.. but we get in our own way alla
>the time, thinking things must be hard to be worthwhile.
> To this, I would add Joseph Campbell"s "Follow your bliss", and Richard
>Bach's "In the path of your happiness, you will find the learnings for
>which you have chosen this lifetime".
> I dunno who wrote "Do what you love, and the money will follow", but
>there is truth there, too. Since I decided to PLAY for a living instead of
>"Work" for a living, my life has just kept getting more and more beautiful.
> If a fly had a brain to stop for a moment and say "am I having fun?", and
>consider "Fun" to be a worthwhile way to spend "Life", it would immediately
>stop hurling itself against the windowpane, and instead go looking for your
>leftovers.
> Hey, who knows, perhaps death by windowpane battering is a noble route to
>Fly Valhalla, second only to windshield evisceration.
> May I forward this post?
> Blessings, Serpent.
>
>At 23:51 22/09/97 -0400, you wrote:
>> Try Something Different
>>
>> I'm sitting in a quiet room at the Milcroft Inn, a peaceful little
>> place hidden back among the pine trees about an hour out of Toronto. It's
>> just past noon, late July, and I'm listening to the desperate sounds of a
>> life-or-death struggle going on a few feet away.
>> There's a small fly burning out the last of its short life's
>> energies in a futile attempt to fly through the glass of the windowpane.
>> The whining wings tell the poignant story of the fly's strategy: Try
>> harder.
>> But it's not working.
>> The frenzied effort offers no hope for survival. Ironically, the
>> struggle is part of the trap. It is impossible for the fly to try hard
>> enough to success at breaking through the glass. Nevertheless, this
>> little insect has staked its life on reaching its goal through raw effort
>> and determination.
>> This fly is doomed. It will die there on the windowsill. Across the
>> room, ten steps away, the door is open. Ten seconds of flying time and
>>this small creature could reach the outside world it seeks. With only a
>>fraction of the effort now being wasted, it could be free of this self-
>>imposed trap. The breakthrough possibility is there. It would be so easy.
>> Why doesn't the fly try another approach, something dramatically
>> different? How did it get so locked in on the idea that this particular
>> route and determined effort offer the most promise for success? What
>> logic is there in continuing until death to seek a breakthrough with more
>> of the same?
>> No doubt this approach makes sense to the fly. Regrettably, it's an
>> idea that will kill.
>> Trying harder isn't necessarily the solution to achieving more. It
>> may not offer any real promise for getting what you want out of life.
>> Sometimes, in fact, it's a big part of the problem.
>> If you stake your hopes for a breakthrough on trying harder than
>> ever, you may kill your chances for success.
>>
>> By Price Pritchett
>> from Chicken Soup for the Soul
>> Copyright 1993 by Jack Canfield & Mark Victor Hansen
>>
>>
>
>
Mystress Angelique Serpent,
Dominant Experiential Facilitator.
Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent
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masochists do unto others as they wish to be done unto, they
become sadists," the Swami said. "Consequently, the Golden Rule
has been recalled by the Maker until this design flaw can be fixed."
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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 15:44:40
From: "R. Wondga" <rwondgaATnospamklondike.com> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: RE: White Powder of Gold
Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19970923154440.27374430ATnospamdomin8rex.com>
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Found this "Lost post". Have also found the grape juice recipe, for
anyone who was wanting it? List Mystress.
HI everyone!
Has anyone heard about a guy called David Hudson, that says he
discovered the White Powder Of Gold, that is supposed to cure and
arrange our DNA? He says it is Life itself, and that he became across it
by accident in a chemical experiment that bacame an Alchemic phenomena.I
have a video someone gave me and it is super interesting, if it is true.
Has anyone heard of this at all?????
Lissette
Hello to all the yogi's on the K list.
I have been a lurker here for about four months and am overwhelmed by the
quality of this forum.
In response to Lissette's question , I have been following David Hudson's
research on the white powder of gold for some time. David Hudson has over
a period of 20 years after stumbling across a powder that was plugging up
his gold recovery system while mining. Being an inquisitive individual
spent the next twenty years and all his money over five million dollars
ending up broke a couple of years ago trying to find out what this powder
was and learning its properties.
He says that the white powder of gold is the "Philosophers Stone", the
teacher of righteousness, the food of the gods, also known as manna, the
bread of the presence of God, The golden tear from the eye of Horus to name
a few, and it's the vehicle that allows one to live 900-1000 years. It
raises the spiritual level to where one can "know all things" through a
universal consciousness, and become one with all living things.
It has been given to some people that were very sick, "4th stage cancer
patients and cured them in I believe 6 weeks, as well as aids research
ongoing.
What it does is flows the light of life in the body. He says it's the food
for the light body.
It was what was in the "Ark of the covenant" along with the stone, and rod.
"The pot of Manna"
The tape you mentioned is available or you can download a transcript of the
lecture from the whitegold web site at
http://www.geocities.com/~whitegoldweb/
David has started a foundation called "Science of the Spirit Foundation"
and is about 2 months away from producing the white powder in commercial
amounts. It is not for profit.
It has also been given to some people for philosophical reasons and an
interview with one person who took it is posted on the whitegold web.
It is very worth reading the transcript or tapes.
There is also a whitegold forum.
Thank you all so much for your contributions to this forum
In the Light
Robert Wondga
FalconATnospaminame.com
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 17:52:52 -0700
From: Ken McFarland <kenmATnospamOREGON.UOREGON.EDU>
To: "R. Wondga" <rwondgaATnospamklondike.com>
(by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: RE: White Powder of Gold
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At 03:44 PM 9/23/97 +0000, R. Wondga wrote:
>Has anyone heard about a guy called David Hudson, that says he
>discovered the White Powder Of Gold . . .
Yes. Mark Duncan was kind enough to provide the list with an article in the
Phoenix Times, September 25, 1996 which told about a woman who died as a
result of being treated with these preparations. Also the same article
stated that Hudsons claims of colaboration with various scientific agencies
could not be varified.
http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/1996/091996/feature2-1.html.
I am not a physicist but the whole thing sounds like a con to me.
May you live in Peace, Love, and Joy,
Ken
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 16:51:20
From: Nancy Kar <watrfallATnospamniagara.com> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: back or front?
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Hi,
I would agree with you that the k energy is coming up to meet the divine
energy that you are bringing down from above and into yourself.
My friend does this naturally when he is involved in a healing, it meets
in his heart chakra is transformed and goes out through his hands. It
was also, taught to us to do this when we are bringing up the energy to
do Seichim healing work or Tibetan Reiki which uses sexual and the more
earthly energies mixed with divine for healing.
So what I am thinking is..
have you been doing or thinking about healing work??
because your energy reminds me of my friends... he is a very powerful
healer..
WaterFall
Daforce2ATnospamaol.com wrote:
>
> ive been bringing the energy down from above to cleanse and activate the
> crown
> chakra and then on down.recently my heart chakra has opened and ive
noticed a
> back pain in the same area on my back.the energy in the back feels stronger
> and
> hurts a little.is that the kundalini coming up? am i bringing shiva down
from
> above
> and shakti is coming up at the same time? wow, as i was typeing this an
> intense
> heat has come up my spine and stopped at the heart or the solar plexis.could
> this
> be the k ?maybe a slight release?
> well thanks in advance.
> terry:)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 17:40:32
From: "jh2owbmATnospammoa.net" <jh2owbmATnospamatlas.moa.net> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: searching and knowing
Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19970923174032.334fe810ATnospamdomin8rex.com>
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I had a little truth shown to me about myself and why I still have
unceartanties.
I came to realize that I had given up searching to soon.
A lot of "I'm not sure about this" still exists inside of me.
What I realized was that when I have finally searched out all of these
unceartatnies and either proved or unproved them to myself, then I can say
(pointing to my heart, inside and outside) this is where the truth is, no
other possibilities exist for me. And things will open up.
Even in this theory I am searching hoping it will lead me to my higher self.
Hoping that the moment I try to travel in will open it's doors to me and
show me the true light that teaches and loves.
I know how easy it is supposed to be. But the ego and mind sometimes have
strands that are made of iron. The trick is to not use force to break that
iron and this is something I often have a difficult time in remembering.
Thank you for allowing me to share something that I needed to release.
Love,
John Halonen
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